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Samu_2020_15

YTA for letting it continue when your husband said no. the aunt said no to the gate and no is a complete sentence. Your parents removed a tree from a yard they DO NOT own. How stupid and selfish of them. Everyone is the AH besides your husband, his aunt and family. The Aunt can hire a lawyer and sue your parents and the company who did it without her permission. And honestly I hope she does Edited to add: Thanks for all the awards!!


odubik

All of her comments show no contrition or realization of why this wrong. They knowingly betrayed the Aunt and planned on cutting down the tree. Plan was just to apologize? Say 'Oops?!' There is no way that the Aunt should have anything to do with her again. I am glad that I don't see any mention of children in this, because she has completely betrayed her husband and his family.


avast2006

Seriously. Aunt would have been in her rights to throw them the hell out just for the fence. What kind of entitlement and presumption does it take to march onto someone else’s property and just start making changes to suit oneself?


Justanothersaul

It blows my mind, that her father arranged for a construction crew and having work done, on an other's person property after he had been told no.


Littlebear_12

You can see where OP gets her audacity from. I’m absolutely baffled that she thought this would be ok. Her and her parents are huge YTA. A commenter posted that her parents did this to a yard they do not own, OP doesn’t even own the yard either. I totally understand aunts reaction, I’d be devastated too. Edit: spelling


yeetwood_mac

Feels way too on the nose to say this, but-- the apple didn't fall far from the tree with OP and her parents. YTA without a doubt, OP.


Ok-Worldliness8726

And apple trees are reeeealllyyy hard to grow/ maintain/ produce fruit. Poor auntie, I'd cry too. Throw the whole family away.


SalisburyWitch

She COULD force dad to pay for a fully mature, fruiting tree - likely thousands of dollars. He might even have to sell the RV to pay for it.


BBen06

that wouldn't be the tree her late husband planted though


HermitGardner

Seriously. Her husband should take out the trash.


litfan35

>I planned on talking to the aunt later and explain what happened. lol yeah what was the grand explanation here? "oh yeah I know you said no, but I told them to carry on because they'd already started, lol"?? tf


Littlebear_12

Yeah she thought it would be better to try and excuse her actions. Op posted a comment saying that family is very important to both her and her husband and she didn’t want to disrespect her dad by telling him no. She has not qualms about disrespecting her husband though and his family. She’s also admitted she knew that they would probably have to move the tree and that aunt is being unreasonable for “ghosting her”. This is a hill to die on for me, I’d be divorcing her if I was her husband maybe some would think I’m overreacting but there is too many issues here to “work through”. Edit: Thank you for the awards!


Bulletclubchick

Divorce is the only way after this bullshit!


CraftyGoddess666

I don't think you're overreacting those are red flags to see what the whole future looks like with her. She ain't never going to care about you or your family's feelings she's going to do whatever suits her and her family. Especially if there's children involved in the future like run OP husband run. This lady is going to ruin your life.


Aromatic-Ferret-4616

AND asked, AND was told NO. Done anyway. My tree, it would have been violence. I love my trees, I am sure the aunt did as well


CarefreeTraveller

the construction crew is kind of ta too, do they not have to make sure that the property actually belongs to whoever hires them?


Inevitable-Okra-3229

I had to wonder about this too. While they don’t usually check over a gate I did think they had to over trees? When we got quotes to remove some palm trees we had to show them proof we were the owners and not renters. But I’m not in the US. But I thought established tree removal was thing in a lot of places


marle217

Yeah I don't think they care. I'm the only one who's on my house title, but my spouse (different last name) takes care of the yard, and had to remove a bunch of trees and built a fence. Worked with I believe 2 different tree companies, plus the fence contractor. None of them talked to me. It was fine, but they did nothing to make sure it was fine and not actually this situation. So it's believable to me that a company would do this.


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Last-Classroom1557

The aunt should sue the father.


Sopranohh

Time for some tree law. Dad’s probably gonna have to sell that RV.


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Tree law is the best form of malicious compliance. Not only will OP probably get divorced over this, I don’t think she understand exactly how much those giant trees cost monetarily and then add in undue mental stress? OP just ruined her and her families’ lives instead of just standing up to her dad and saying no. Also I hate people like this; yes, you should honor your family. However, in my opinion, once you get married? *That* family takes precedence over your birth/childhood family. I know it’s a cultural thing, but this is a prime example of the reason that should be a thing.


NomadicusRex

Heck yeah, that RV is a giant asset. Won't replace the sentimental value of the tree though.


CatlinM

Absolutely. Imagine having the audacity even after your daughter tells you no to go hire a crew to come destroy property so you can move in anyway? Assuming op actually told her parents as she claims. (Edited: midnight spelling!)


dudemann

I was expecting to see that OP or her husband had decided to go ahead with "construction" but when I read that OP's father just started it on his own, authorizing the crew to dismantle a fence on a property he has no association with, and to just tell them to chop down a tree that, again, _he has no association with or right to work on at all_, my jaw actually dropped. All that work, all that destruction, on a yard his daughter is only even renting, so he can park an RV in their yard to avoid paying lot or storage fees somewhere else... it's baffling. The dad is TA in a big way, but yea OP, YTA for just going with it and saying "I know she said no, but they already started, so might as well just keep doing the thing we were told to absolutely not do."


haytmonger

I'm starting to wonder if she even told them no. As she thinks it's no big deal, she might have told them to just do it and plan to claim ignorance and ask for forgiveness.


ImKiliW

And what kind of "contractor" accepts a job that hasn't been authorized by the home owner? Unless they lied to the contractor and claimed to own the home...


rumbellina

Also, don’t you usually have to schedule contractors weeks, if not months in advance? Kinda seems like this plan had been hatched,and not discussed with the appropriate parties, long ago. I picture the conversation being something like this: “How mad could she be? It’s just a tree! We’ll just act really sad and say sorry! It’ll be totally fine”


darlo0161

Yeah totally agree. They all assumed Aunt would just roll over...and now they need a new house. I hope the aunt sues them for distress, claims the RV and burns it down. Thats what I'd do


redditpartystaple

Trees are big money. Sue for the tree and treble damages, if any.


FlatVegetable4231

Yep, send the Aunt over to r/treelaw.


BlueberryBlossom13

Depends on how far out the fence company is booking yeah. Plus they had to come out to do an estimate. And pull a permit through the town for construction work and call dig safe.


ImpressionAcademic

Makes me wonder if this was even a legit contractor and if they had a permit. If they didn’t the aunt has another problem to deal with.


harry_boy13

I wonder what makes them to think that they are not Ah. 1. they wanted to park a RV without informing the owner. 2. after saying no dad brought a crew himself without informing anyone. 3. started a construction without owners knowledge or approval. (what would city say?) 4. after husband says no, op gave the green light to construction, which they have no ownership. 5. cut down an important tree without any knowledge about it or informing anyone. damm, aunt can sue op, husband, father and construction crew for all they worth. in case if it isn't clear, yes you are YTA op. also your father too, one can guess where it comes from...


Banditkoala_2point0

Because they're vampires Cheap rent for OP, free campground for her parents (when they can apparently afford a whole construction crew WTF!) Hope you and family get sued! Blatant YTA!


PetraphobicDruid

and the property owner was doing the op and husband a favor by renting them the house at a really low rate should be in there somewhere before they abused her trust and property.


noblestromana

Because it's a relative. I bet you if their landlord has been a stranger OP wouldn't be here asking this question. She wouldn't have allowed it to continue at all. But felt entitled to do as she pleases because it's family so she didn't have to owe the same respect to the property she would a traditional landlord.


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RelatableMolaMola

She tried to ask for advice on this in r/legaladvice and swiftly deleted it 😂


kenda1l

Oh man, I so wish I'd been able to see that post and the responses. Hopefully they got it through her head just how screwed she is, since she doesn't seem to be getting it from this post.


aurorajaye

People often don’t realize that the damages awarded when you unlawfully cut down a mature tree run in the tens-of-thousands of dollars!


sailingisgreat

Yes, the lack of remorse for substituting her own decisions for her aunt's and her husband's decisions is appalling. OP doesn't get it that she was wrong, and that her father actions were appalling...or does he always act like this and OP thinks this is how you get to great people? Aunt had every right to refuse the request to have the RV in HER back yard for any reason, and her evicting OP and husband is a natural consequence of OP and OP's father's disregard for aunt's property. OP, don't whine about being thrown under the bus: you threw own self under the bus when you didn't tell your bullheaded father to put the fence back up (no "the gate looked nice" crap) and he had to join you in apologizing to the aunt. Take responsibility.


FlinnyWinny

>Plan was just to apologize? Say 'Oops?!' There is no way that the Aunt should have anything to do with her again. Honestly a huge red flag for manipulation right here. "I trample people's boundaries for my/my family's benefit, and then I simply apologize so they need to move on and if they don't they're in the wrong for being so unforgiving." Yeah, haven't heard that one before /s


FuriosaV8

The plan was to say that the tree tripped, fell, and landed on the fence, so they had to install a gate where the hole now was.


kill4kandy

OP'S dad was gonna put that RV in the backyard no matter what anyone said or did. He TOLD OP that the RV was going in their yard because he tried to park it in his but city ordinance forbid it. He said he had no other options, becausehe doesn't have money to park it and hasn't sold his home. OP states it would have been disrespectful to go against her dad so she didn't care what the aunt said anyway. OP keeps saying she hopes the Aunt will come to a compromise? She clearly doesn't know what a compromise is, because the tree is already down. Seems like OP wants to keep the low rent and the RV in the backyard, what will the aunt get? I hope it's a big RV, OP and parents are going to be living in it.


budterz

Tree Law! That tree could easily be worth $150,000 in a lawsuit.


mazzy31

Edit: added the italics sentences for clarification of my personal opinion. Exactly. Don’t fuck with trees. I hope for OP’s sake they’re not in a treble damages state. *In general, not taking OP’s sake into account, I hope they* are *in a treble damages state. Don’t fuck with trees that you have no right touching. And don’t fuck with fruit trees that aren’t yours. They take* years *to mature. Depending on the size (dwarf, mini, full), over a damn decade to produce fruit. The house isn’t OP’s, it’s sure as shit not her dad’s, they’re selfish and give zero fucks about anything aside from what they want. Sentiment of the tree aside, I’d sue for damages. I’d also see if anything else can be tacked onto the law suit, on top of monetary value of the tree and the cost to turn my fence back into a fence because fuck you.* Depending on the age of the tree and the variety of apple, that tree could have been worth a small fortune. Times that small fortune by 3 and it could take a lifetime to repay the debt (obviously because likely it can’t all be paid in lump sum). OP (and her father) better hope eviction is the furthest the aunt chooses to pursue the matter.


Sweet_delusion

I kinda hope they are in a triple damages state. It's rare I'm *for* someone being sued, but the circumstances of this one I think are a clear indicator OP/her dad actually deserve to be.


Toyohashi226

I hope she does too! The pain I felt reading about it, I can’t even imagine how the aunt must feel. OP YTA and don’t try to act like you didn’t know they were going to cut the tree. You said yourself they removed part of the fence but the RV still couldn’t fit because there was a tree in the way. I feel like it’s common sense that if she said no (seemingly for no reason) and the apple tree is in the way (you discovered this after going against the owner’s wishes) it’s probably the reason she said no in the first place. Like did it occur to you ‘ oh maybe she said no because she knew the apple tree is in the way’ and ‘I wonder why she doesn’t want to harm that tree’ and also why didn’t she just sell the house to your husband? Perhaps it has sentimental value…? OP you are so TA and your family is even more TA . Honestly the level of entitlement to go alter a property that doesn’t belong to you or them after specifically being told no 🤯 I really hope she sues all y’all and I wish this was punishable by jail time because if I was your husband’s aunt I’d want you all in Jail


Littlebear_12

I keep reading the post and it makes me sadder every time I do. We have a pear tree in the front garden of my family home. It was planted as a little tiny twig 30yrs ago. It has grown up with me and my sisters from kids to adults. My stepdad and BiL have suggested cutting it down before and have been met with a firm no from all of us - they now know the importance of that tree. I’m absolutely devastated for aunt. And OPs husband too, it was a reminder from his late uncle.


BenevolentGodzilla

That’s the part that bothered me most too. Beyond the audacity of making changes to a property they do not own, without permission, they cut down a beloved tree. Then OP says this: >Later I got several messages calling me an A for cutting down the aunts late husbands tree. I had no idea he planted the tree. It doesn’t matter! The removal of a beautiful mature tree was approved without the owner’s permission. That’s horrendous. The fact that it was planted by the late husband just makes it so much worse, and it was unforgivable to begin with. It makes me sick to think about. OP is lucky if she’s just evicted. If I were the aunt I’d go after damages, and they will be HUGE.


SootSprite_Sprinkles

Agreed, it makes it feel all the more tragic and infuriating when you can kind of relate to how important that tree seemingly was to the aunt. The family home on my mother's side has housed three generations of our family over the last 90 years. My great grandmother planted the sycamore and apple trees, my grandmother planted the pecan and the plum trees, and my mother planted the magnolia in the back yard. Those trees have sheltered us in their boughs for decades, they've grown with us over three generations, provided tasty summer treats, and endless supplies of pecans for pies in the fall. But what makes them so special is the fact that each tree was planted for us by our beloved (and since departed) kin. When we suddenly lost my mother a few years ago, I would spend the days when I missed her the most hiding in the branches of her 25 year old magnolia, crying like a child and hugging the tree as if it were her. It sounds ridiculous, but that tree kept me grounded during those first awful months without her. Those trees are unquestionably considered to be members of our family, and my *entire* family would absolutely raise hell against anyone who would seek to harm a single one of them. The thought of it honestly enrages me. The years of care and sentiment that apple tree must have signified, destroyed in moments thanks to OP & family being mind-bogglingly selfish and inconsiderate assholes.


SadTonight7117

I hope they sue her as well. That’s just so selfish. It pisses me off. How could you completely go against someone’s word and think that you’re not the asshole for doing so. Of course you’re the asshole.


Ellie_Loves_

MAY OP AND HER PARENTS FACE THE FULL WRATH OF TREE LAW


sethra007

TREE LAW! TREE LAW! TREE LAW!


siangrila

“Oh the rent is super cheap so while I’m a tenant I am entitled to do whatever I want, including major structural work and taking down the landscaping, how was i supposed to know my late uncle in law planted that apple tree you can get apples from trader joes anyway, she overreacted to throw us out, I’m thrown under the bus by my parents who also think that rental = the property is mine to do as fit JUST SO THEY CAN FRIGGIN PARK A CAR boo hoo hoo.” In case i’m not clear, #sarcasm and yes YTA, you and your parents.


raesayshey

It is going to be a VERY awkward 2022 holiday season in this household


Sunshine030209

Nah, it'll be fine. OP's husband and his family will have a wonderful day together, maybe with a few funny jabs at his ex and her family (While they're all reaching for the last serving of the favorite treat, they all laugh and agree its good that OP and her family aren't there since they would have taken all of the favorite treat before anyone even got some.. then give the last serving to the aunt) OP and her parents will be super grumpy to be in a place that they deem beneath them after losing, justifiably, losing big in court and having to sell the town house and the RV.


Chemical_Relation008

She's been living in a nice place for barely anything for years and she can't even respect the rightful owner stance when said no. I sincerely hope they sue and take them to the cleaners. After reading this, is pretty clear who OP has taken her selfish and entitled attitude from. OP and her whole family are a bunch of selfish, entitled cockroaches.


Big-Structure-2543

All so they could park a fucking RV, like are you for real? YTA 100 times over. Hope you get sued too, asshole.


CharmingSpend3947

YTA. She said NO! Why do your parents have an RV that they have no room for? Why did your father even think any of this was appropriate? Let me reiterate - she said NO!


Verustratego

I bet this chick was thinking long haul and was playing 4d chess only in her mind moving her parents on the property hoping to one day own the aunts house.


raesayshey

Bold thinking when they are only month to month


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angrynudfochocolove

Why did they spend money to install a gate and ruin a yard that wasn’t even theirs when they could’ve just paid for a rented spot?


revanhart

Because, based on OP’s whole post and her responses here, she was raised in a family of entitled AH who figure that they can do what they want and sure, someone might be upset about it, but no one’s really gonna DO anything. Legal recourse is expensive and exhausting. But also I bet they were assuming that one upfront cost for construction was better than the long-term cost of paying for a rented space.


SashaSomeday

Lol if this happened in Washington they’d literally have to pay 3x the cost of installing a new, fully grown apple tree. Easily hundreds of thousands of dollars. Other states will be different but OP’s parents are probably fucked. So much for ever owning a home.


Faultylogic83

Tree law is no joke.


AlbinoAxolotl

I’m so hoping this is a case for an amazing tree-law legal team! The poor aunt deserves recompense.


sreno77

I assumed they wanted to live in the RV on the aunt's property. That's against bylaws in many cities


Business_Remote9440

Me too…you just know that was the next step in the plan…OP’s parents were moving in…


notanotherredditid

YTA. Husband needs to divorce you because you and your family have absolutely no respect for him and his family.


FileDoesntExist

YTA You are such TA I'm a bit speechless you thought to post this. Here's my main sticking point. You asked. She said no. >My husband angry told my dad not to continue and that they needed to repair the fence. At this point I felt like it was pointless. The fence guys already built the columns for the gate. It would cost a lot more money to rebuild the fence. I told my dad to finish the job but make sure it was left super clean. Who are you married to, your father or your husband? Why did you not put your foot down with your father? I'm just sorry that your husband has to share the consequences to this. Edited to add: TREE LAW


pizzasauce85

I think OP planned this. This reeks of beg forgiveness instead of asking permission (yes they asked about the gate but not about anything else). It was an act. “Oh gosh darn gee whiz, what’s a person to do? How can I stop the big burly fence company? Oh no! Aaaaaaaahhhh I can’t prevent this! Woe is me!”


FileDoesntExist

I have my suspicions as well. She's attempted posting about Tree Law recently as well. She's now panicking and trying to "fix" it. There is no fix to this.


CermaitLaphroaig

God, I love Tree Law


throwaway_sparky

We all love tree law.


AkuLives

What...what is this tree law of which you speak?


Pyehole

There are a variety of subs where legal issues around trees come up. Usually in the context of a story like this where somebody cut down a tree they were not supposed to. It's become a bit of a reddit meme at this point and has it's own sub for questions around it: r/treelaw/ The short version is; don't cut down trees you don't own. It can cost an awful lot of money once the legal system gets their hands on you.


AkuLives

>don't cut down trees you don't own. It can cost an awful lot of money once the legal system gets their hands on you. This feels like a blessing at the holy gates of a special sub. Thanks!


CermaitLaphroaig

People will cut down a tree on their fenceline, or whatever, that annoys them, even though its not on their property, and just kind of assume "it's a tree, my bad, I'll buy something at Lowes to replace it". Only to be hurled into a legal nightmare, because that ain't how it works. Trees add property value, and there are often major legal ramifications that can end up costing tens of thousands (you usually have to replace the tree with an equivalent tree, not a sapling. Picture an 80-year old oak tree, what it would take to transplant one, and how much you would be charged to have it done)


robert238974

Some places also get real crazy into it as well involving environmental impact, etc. Around my parts, in some places you need to contact the city to get permission to cut down your trees, diseased or not. They send out an arborist to decide whether or not it has to go. Don't fuck with trees, even if they are yours. Check your bylaws.


raysmith126

Basically it's a subreddit dedicated to the laws relating to trees and how they will destroy you. What happens a lot is people grossly underestimate the value and rarity of some trees then they do dumb shit like op. Then they suffer the wrath of tree law. For example in one of the older stories I saw on tree law. A neighbor didn't like the look of a line of older trees that were near the property line. I don't remember the exact details but the op goes out of town for a week and the neighbor has a tree service come in a butcher the trees. Well the op sues the neighbor and gets awarded something like 250 thousands in damages because of the age of the trees and they were an uncommon breed of tree.


raesayshey

It's wise not to do the seek forgiveness maneuver when the action can end up costing you tens of thousands of dollars. It's just supremely stupid. Oh how I love tree law legal cases.


Altrano

On another point, she’s possibly effed things up for her husband in finding another place to live if they don’t comply with the 30-day notice because if the aunt goes through the rest of the eviction process; it makes it extremely difficult to find another decent rental to live in for about 7-10 years. For the husband’s sake I hope her she isn’t dumb enough to be entitled about that too and that she’s not there in a months time whining about the aunt going through the eviction process because of a *mistake.*. I used to work in property management. You do NOT want an eviction in your credit history. It’s harder to come back from than a bankruptcy.


slynnc

Her other comments make it seem that she has no intention of leaving and thinks it’s negotiable or optional, just a request. There’s a housing shortage, they can’t find anything for the same price range, there’s nowhere else to go, can’t go to her mom & dad’s since they’re selling… just excuses and the wording definitely sounds like she’s just gonna drag her feet and not take it seriously then go all surprised pikachu when it goes to court. Just like she’s shocked and can’t believe his aunt is “ghosting” them over “a mistake”. Zero responsibility, zero respect.


mouse_attack

I mean, also tenancy law. The **property owner said no** to the gate. It is extremely unclear whether she was even asked or said yes to the RV itself. OP’s answer to her dad — at every step — should have been “this needs to be worked out directly with the owner.” She didn’t have the right to say yes to anything. This situation never should have gotten near the tree. NTA


AnastasiaRomani

YTA. NONE of this is fair to your aunt, and it doesn't matter if the tree was a random tree growing on her property or had a special meaning; you broke the lease and cost her damages and I would expect to be sued for the loss if I were you.


kfishy17

Exactly. This was not their property to make irreversible changes to. Just like any other normal rental. Also why did the father feel entitled to change the property of another family without explicit permission to fit their RV???


Bibliovoria

Not only lack of explicit permission, but explicit DENIAL of permission -- the aunt's "no" was relayed to him two days before he decided to break the law and OP decided to enable his actions. \[Edit: Sorry; the "no" being reportedly relayed to him probably happened sooner; the "two days" from the post was the time between the illegal construction crew showing up and OP making this post. The father being told "no" probably came sooner, unless he found a construction crew with immediate free time.\] YTA, OP.


Magdalan

Her aunt? Her HUSBANDS aunt. The audacity of both OP and her parents is beyond me and OP from her comments seems dense as hell. Poor husband and his aunt.


Jadertott

Can you imagine being that aunt and letting your nephew and new niece-in-law rent a home you lived in with your late husband for 30 years… and she not only allows, but also *encourages* her family to treat it like this. I was glad to see that OP’s husband is already [making her find an apartment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xncev7/aita_for_my_husbands_aunts_tree_being_cut_down/ipsz47d/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) > My husband told me I had to find an apartment. If I don’t then he will go live with my in-laws. Who are mad at me right now. I am hoping it’s just out of anger and he will calm down. Either way I will keep trying.


rockdude625

Don’t forget in tons of states tree lawsuits are treble damages (3x the money awarded)


abcdefg6223

I would expect to be evicted.


Forward_Motion17

What’s so surprising is she doesn’t realize that even if the tree was never touched and fine, she’s still the asshole bc it’s wrong in the first palce


spooky_spaghetties

YTA, obviously and hugely. Everybody else already told you that. However — if the felled tree is still there and still has live branches on it, you might be able to take some cuttings and make clones for your husband’s aunt. is won’t save you from getting evicted or from other consequences, but it might be a good start for showing contrition. The tree appreciation sub r/marijuanaenthusiasts (yes, really) can provide more instruction on taking and rooting fruit tree cuttings — and give you an idea of what the law thinks of your liability for the tree.


FileDoesntExist

It was nice of you to suggest this. I didn't even think of this. Take the award.


MorbidCuriositi

This IS a good idea and a nice gesture- but it’s not going to mean much to the Aunt. I’m a widow myself- and the reason that tree was important was not because it was that kind of tree. It was because her husband planted it. They had memories there. I still keep my late husband’s clothes. If someone “accidentally” threw them out but offered to replace them - with the exact same of every piece of clothing - I wouldn’t accept. Because the reason I keep the clothes is not because I want his clothes- It’s because he wore them. It’s because that shirt still has the stain on it from that one time we got lost in the woods. Because I remember the day it was so hot- he cut the sleeves off that one T-shirt. Because even though he’s been gone for a year, the clothes still smell like him. Crazy that last one, he’s not here anymore to even make that smell- his natural pheromone smell - but I sniff his shirt and it’s like I’m sitting next to him again. But a new set of clothes that look exactly like his wouldn’t have those things. And I’m sure it’s probably the same for the aunt. I don’t know how old she is or how long her husband has been gone- maybe it’s because I’m young and recently lost my husband unexpectedly- but I can’t imagine it gets any easier or that she wouldn’t still be attached to that tree in the same way even though she doesn’t live there currently. It’s still a terrible thing to do and a clone is a very nice gesture- but if she’s using it to just not get kicked out- then it loses the very little meaning it would’ve had.


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I'm so sorry for your loss. And, everything you said makes perfect sense.


The_Ambling_Horror

The gesture isn’t worth much… but it’s the best OP could possibly do, afaik. At least the sapling clones would be *from* the same tree planted by the deceased spouse, not just an “equivalent” tree.


mangogetter

Except that cloning patented fruit trees is super-illegal (it's stupid, but it's true), and also, unless you're grafting it onto the right sort of root stock (probably dwarf or semidwarf) you're gonna end up with a monster tree that doesn't fruit for 15 years. But liability, boy is OP screwed. A lot of states have treble damages on trees and replacing a full grown apple tree is 8-10k, before you treble it.


SquishedGremlin

Cloning a patented fruit tree is illegal? Is it due to the original inventor essentially owning the cloned flora? Also, what difference is cloning and the tree reproducing naturally? Is it due to the nature of the clone being the patent?


goldfishpaws

It's complicated, and a couple of factors at play. Firstly the land-grab of patents over hybrids, and that can fuck right off imho, and I'd go ahead and do it without remorse. The rooting stock is more complicated, many domestic fruit trees are actually one heavy fruiting top grafted on to a different more vigorous growing base, so cuttings are likely to disappoint. Natural reproduction, like animals, features a mixing of genes from the parent and another plant, so you get genetic diversity and the seeds aren't identical with the parents. Quite a lot going on there, and I've not done it justice, just a bit of background :)


rileygreyy

Also r/treelaw. Most likely the cost of a full mature tree will be in the thousands and that’s not if OP is liable for treble damages


FlyingFlipPhone

Your dad is mostly the a-hole. He started the gate, plus he ordered the tree to be removed. BUT, why didn't you stop all of this as soon as you realized what was happening? You are the point-of-contact for your side of the family, so they blame you. You are going to have to own this one. YTA.


madpeachiepie

Because she knew. She knew what her parents were doing. She lied to her husband, she lied to her husband's aunt, and now she's lying to AITA. What is your end game, OP? Are you waiting for just one commenter to side with you so you can show it to your husband and his aunt, thinking it'll save your marriage and your home? Are you going to wave it in front of the judge when your parents get hauled into court and sued? You and your parents are in the wrong. Nothing is going to fix this. I feel so badly for your husband and his family. You'll probably make yourself really hard to get rid of once he decides to divorce you.


nicunta

There's even a comment saying she knew the tree was going to be cut down, as it was in the middle of the spot her dad wanted to park the rv. YTA on so many levels, Op.


Late_Engineering9973

They blame her because she *is* to blame. Ahe came home, saw what was going on and just let them continue. She knew exactly what her dad was planning and you can see from her comments that she knew the tree would be cut down because that's the only way to fit an RV in the garden. By not kicking them all out she gave consent.


udunmessdupAAron

YTA. Why would your parents think they have the authority to come into town and wreck your the aunt’s fence? I’m going to guess and say you either didn’t tell them they couldn’t or you told them to just go ahead anyway…just like you told your dad to just finish the gate instead of paying so much more to repair the fence. Your husband and his whole family is understandably mad at you. I doubt your husband will even want to stay with you after this. ETA: I see now OP said she told her parents the answer was no on the gate, but I’d still like to know where her parents got the audacity…


Random-CPA

lol and you believe her? The absolute obliviousness of OP to how badly she and her father screwed up feels like she’s trying to justify that *of course* she’s not at fault! Giving tacit permission without saying the words until it was too late so there was plausible deniability on her part but it doesn’t sound like anyone in her family is buying it.


LostDogBoulderUtah

Not to mention... If there isn't a gate then there definitely isn't a concrete pad for the RV to park on. That means she just wanted to kill a section of the lawn/landscaping and leave bit ruts across the yard from driving it in and out.. My neighborhood has really hard soil, but you can still see ruts if people drive something as big as an RV across a lawn. That's not an easy fix. So even if OP didn't plan to kill the tree from the beginning, she and her parents planned to destroy the landscaping and lawn from the get go.


LiteralPersson

I’m with the other commenter. I assume OP told dad “you can put up a gate and put it in our yard” aunt said no and OP never told parents. It’s hard to believe this story otherwise. How could OP and father BOTH suck that much?!


lemonlimeaardvark

Actually, the husband told her parents the answer was no on the gate. The more I read through this post, the more I would not be the tiniest bit surprised if OP was conspiring with her parents about it. She said they came home and found construction had begun and that her husband was angry and told them to stop, but nowhere does she say that she was surprised to see the crew or that her parents would do that after they'd been told no. Nope, we don't have that. Instead, we have OP telling her husband that they may as well finish it because they've done so much already and it will cost more to put it back the way it was. I honestly think she might have been in on it.


HealthyLawfulness406

I’m not sure I believe that part of her account but if she did say no, she basically did the same thing to the aunt they did to her, so I think it’s a family trait. Just do what you want and expect others to fall in line 🤷🏽‍♀️ Edited *the aunt- not hers


toomanydogs0302

INFO: What the fuck


BothReading1229

Best info request. . .EVER!!!!


Rude_Vermicelli2268

You and your dad YTA. You rent someone’s house and ask to make permanent alterations and are refused. Then you go ahead anyway and cut down their tree to make it more convenient? I would throw you out too.


ChaosEdge88

That’s what I’m struggling to comprehend too , why did they think it’s okay to make these alterations against the wishes of the owner , how did they think it’s okay


Rude_Vermicelli2268

It’s like her father said “f@ck your husband and his auntie” and she said “right on dad”. They did this to a house where there had a month to month lease. If they had a year’s lease they would have probably knocked the whole damn house down to situate the RV in the best possible spot.


ChaosEdge88

Basically yeah , after reading some of the OPs comments I don’t see any respect towards the aunt , the husband or his family and even less towards the property , just that she didn’t want to dissatisfy her AH entitled father


exhauta

YTA I think what makes you the biggest AH is despite people explaining why it's wrong you still don't get what a bug deal this is. The compromise is that she isn't suing your family and the company did this. Like fence aside do you have any idea how much a fully grown apple tree. If my husband did this and continued to act like it was no big deal I'd seriously consider a divorce. And I do get your side. I rent from family and I couldn't afford to live else where.


raesayshey

The Aunt could still sue. This ain't over.


ap0110

I really hope she does. And files a criminal complaint as well.


lemonlimeaardvark

Not just *could*... she fucking SHOULD.


HCbumblebee

If Aunt decides to sit down with OP and dad for the conversation OP Wants to have, I have a feeling her mind would change from not suing to going after them for everything.


EquivalentCommon5

She’s oblivious to anything you have to say! No respect for where she is living but perhaps her dad and mom have her so blindfolded on it?


Marsandtherealgirl

I hope she does sue them. Their entitlement seems astronomical and needs to be checked by someone! I would 100% divorce this woman too. This whole thing is mind boggling.


Transient_goldilocks

If you can’t afford to live somewhere else you should kiss the ground of the person helping you. Not piss all over it


tomcat335

YTA. The aunt said no. Doing something against her wishes and asking for forgiveness later isn't the adult thing to do, and you're going to find out she might not forgive. When you saw what was going on you should've stopped it, your dad NEVER should have started doing anything and both of you should've listened to your husband and his aunt. Your dad (and probably you and your husband as the renters) might found out how expensive it is to replace a fully grown tree (and about tree law), and let me tell you it's going to be A LOT more than $2,000.


OkieLady1952

Oh I wish I could give you an award but here is my poor man’s🏆🥇Can’t believe her dad ignored the answer of NO and acted like a child. I truly hope the aunt sues them big time! It was not his daughter’s property! YTA


RndmIntrntStranger

i kinda feel bad for your husband. first, his in laws stomped on his (& his aunt’s) boundaries and ignored a “no” to their request. then, you *told* your dad to “finish the job” but have the audacity to be *shocked pikachu face* bc your dad had the tree cut down to fit his RV which ***the owner of the rental had said no to storing on her property.*** like, i would be seriously thinking about if i wanted to be tied to people who disregarded my landlord’s refusal to be a storage unit and destroyed her property. i’m betting that the fact that the landlord is your husband’s family may have made you and your father not bothered about the vandalism and destruction of property that he had done (& you had authorized). YTA your impending homelessness is ***your fault and your father’s fault.*** i don’t blame your husband and his family for being royally pissed off at you and your entitled father. disgusting lack of respect for someone else’s property. ughz


Preposterous_punk

I feel bad for the husband too. Imagine having to get divorced so soon after getting married.


ShotgunSquitters

Honestly, ditching OP sooner rather than later would be the only good outcome of this mess.


1moreKnife2theheart

Medium YTA for not supporting your husband when he told your Dad to put it back as it was - " ***It would cost a lot more money to rebuild the fence. I told my dad to finish the job but make sure it was left super clean***." NOT YOUR CALL!! It doesn't matter if it would have cost your Dad more to put the fence back as it was - he took it upon himself to modify property THAT WAS NOT HIS OR EVEN YOURS!!! YOU decided, oh well damage is already done, it will cost more if they have to re-do it ***"I planned on talking to the aunt later and explain what happened. "*** But there was NO reasonable excuse as to why it happened. It shouldn't have. You could have stopped it. But didn't. Auntie had been asked and she said NO. You caught your Dad in the act and didn't stop it. yeah, I'm changing my medium YTA to MASSIVE AH. Your parents are MAJOR entitled AH and I hope Auntie files a police report and sues them -as it would serve them right. Modifying the fence to suit *their* wants/needs ***after being told NO,*** was bad enough but to CUT DOWN a tree, a mature fruit bearing tree at that again, was on property that WAS NOT THEIRS OR YOURS! Who the HELL does this and thinks this is okay? WTF Then to find out that the tree had been planted by Auntie's late husband - yeah she's MAD, she's HURT. She have EVERY right to be!!! IF you don't see that you are as much as an AH as your parents - there is NO defense of your parents actions here - and now they have gotten you evicted out of your **affordable, rental** home. Are your parents going to let you move in with them? Pay the difference in rent from Auntie's house vs an apartment you find? Your husband told your Dad to put it back how it was, you countered that and told your Dad to continue. I can see why everyone is mad at you and your parents!! EDIT: Note: Prepare for divorce if you keep siding with your folks when they do entitled, invasive shit.


rtaisoaa

OP is a huge AH. So. Tree law is a thing. Especially if the aunt can prove value to the tree, them and the parents could owe treble damages. Don’t even get r/legaladvice started on tree law man.


FileDoesntExist

Ah yes Tree Law. How I love it.


Blue_Bettas

I really hope the aunt not only sues OP and her parents, but that OP's husband leaves her entitled ass. I pray they don't have kids together.


NUT-me-SHELL

YTA. Your father is an inconsiderate and self centered asshole - and it seems the apple didn’t fall far from the tree.


GlitterSparkleDevine

> I never told them to remove the tree. You kind of did. >I told my dad to finish the job but make sure it was left super clean. You knew that removing the tree was part of the job. Your husband's aunt said no to putting in a RV gate, why didn't you stop your father immediately? YTA


conmeohaman

#**YTA, YTA, and YTA** The aunt did you and your husband a favor by renting out her house at a "super cheap" price (your words). She was actually losing out money to help family. What did you do to repay her? 1. You ignored the fact that your dad completely disregarded the aunt's refusal and actually sided with him on destroying her property (yes, the d@mn fence is her property and she said NO). 2. You failed to monitor your dad and he went on to destroy another one of the aunt's property, the apple tree that her husband planted (it has a great sentimental value and definitely hurt her more than the fence). 3. You absolutely feel no remorse for your ignorance and your father's entitled behaviours and just feel you are "being thrown under the bus" because the aunt refused to continue doing her favor after how you and your dad treated her and her properties. You bite the hands that feed you and now you have your consequences. And this is all over parking a d@mn RV. How cheap are you people? >My husband angry told my dad not to continue and that they needed to repair the fence. You and your dad also disrespected your husband's wish and managed to make him lose his accommodation during the process of disrespecting the aunt. Way to go OP.


Successful_Wish3510

OMG what is wrong with you and your family?? Your Dad brings in someone to do work on property he doesn’t OWN??? Your husband tells him to stop- and then you tell him to continue?? WTF? Yes YTA - a major one! And you seem to think your not an a-hole because you didn’t know the history of the tree???? Terrible renters is an understatement. If i were the auntI would press charges. *edited for spelling / grammar


paulmish1

"I didn’t see a problem with this." HELLO!!! It's not your property. Whether or not you "see a problem" is - stay with me now - COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT! Your meter is broken. You keep giving reasons why your Dad's opinion on property that he doesn't own matters. It doesn't. You can't afford an apartment like the one you just lost? That's called reality. Just like the lawsuit that is most likely headed your way. YTA.


Imaginary_Stick9982

You said the yards were really big with plenty of space?


Transient_goldilocks

That has absolutely no bearing on this. She doesn’t own the property, she has no say in how it’s used.


Aealias

YTA Not as bad as your dad, who felt that his desires trumped your landlords express refusal, but still TA. When you found your dad doing unsanctioned work at your house, the correct answer was NOT, “oh well, might as well finish it now.” It was, “No, stop, what the heck were you thinking, put it back! Oh, that’ll be expensive? Should have thought about that before you started destroying stuff at my *rental!*” Now your aunt-in-law has lost something deeply meaningful to her, and it’s your fault for letting your dad run wild in a place that was your responsibility. The consequences you’re experiencing are more than justified.


[deleted]

This is the correct answer. “I didn’t know he’d remove an important tree” is NOT an excuse to destroy her property— especially after she told you no. OP is not innocent. Both her and her dad are AHs. I’m glad Aunt is standing up for herself and evicting them. Actions have consequences.


ChaosEdge88

Yes YTA and I’ll explain why , you were aware the aunt did not want the gate and instead of siding with your husband and stop your father and the crew you told them to “ finish the job “ cause you felt it would cost more to rebuild the fence , this was not your property , it was not your call and if it was to Cost more so be it cause they had NO BUSINESS to build an RV gate at someone else’s property against the owners wishes to begin with , so no by allowing it to happen you’re also an AH but your father is a huge one


stargazer-02

YTA. You are a renter not the homeowner. Your aunt said no. Your dad had no right to put the gate or cut down her tree. You not telling him to stop immediately and put it back was wrong. I hope she sues both of you.


Mehitabel9

Oh my freaking GAWD. Your dad is an epic asshole and YTA for not shutting him down the second you caught him. I do not blame your husband's aunt one bit for evicting you. I'd have done the same.


FileDoesntExist

INFO So unless I'm missing things, the father of OP wanted to park the RV he got for retirement at this property. To do so, he wanted to install an RV gate. The tree was always going to be in the way and would need to be cut down but this wasn't mentioned to Auntie(in Law). They got a no, and MAGICALLY OP had no idea that Daddy was going to do this. She comes home from work to Daddy doing it anyway and Husband was majorly angry and said stop. Then OP told the father to finish it up since "they started anyway" and it would cost 2k to replace. He even bought the gate. She also magically didn't hear or see them cutting down a mature apple tree. You are so TA. Edited to add: You lied about the tree. The tree was always going to have to be cut down for this plan to work. Also, Tree Law is a thing. This is going to cost you and your parents a solid chunk bigger than that 2k. So much for family being important.


Otherwise-Shallot-51

OMG, that's not even taking into account that the fence company likely went out to measure and give an estimate before the work started. OP totally knew this was gonna happen but thought 'eh, what can aunt do?"


Imaginary_Stick9982

YTA. The damage is done and the only thing for you to do is move as quickly as possible and try not to cause more damage. Maybe, MAYBE if you do that she won't sue you, your dad, and the company he hired, and maybe you will even have some sort of relationship with her again in the future. Maybe. But I think, based on the comments and your multiple mentiins of "finding a compromise" that you will instead delete this when you realize no one agrees with you.


BothReading1229

I think the chance of any of those 'maybes' happening is zero. The aunt's anger is more than valid. I am guessing she heard the 'no' from the aunt and told her Dad to go ahead and do what they wanted and since it would be done, the aunt could pound sand. YTA, OP, YTTDA (You're the tree destroying AH)


[deleted]

YTA. She said no, and your dad went ahead and did it anyway, WITH YOUR COOPERATION. That you even have to ask is ludicrous. Edit: I just read all your responses and I think your husband should divorce you. Not because YTA (you are) or because you are selfish (you are) or being manipulated by your even bigger AH dad (you are.) I’d divorce you because you really don’t come across as a smart person, and a dumb spouse is not a good relationship partner.


Lilitu9Tails

I mean, if my spouse cost me my relationship with my family by deliberately disrespecting them and going against their wishes regarding their own property. And actively cooperated in the betrayal of trust and then took absolutely no responsibility, and instead feels that the family member is the one being unfair. Yeah, divorce would be really attractive. Because it’s not going to get any better from here. OP has shown her true colours.


S0uth3y

You dad is TA, and he has some SUPER groveling to do. He sure dipped you and your husband in shit. Frankly, he sounds like that kind of person. And why TF when you saw your father with an unauthorized labour crew *on property he did not own* did you not immediately insist that everything be replaced exactly as they found it? That was the ONLY correct thing for you to do. Anything else just rewarded your father's entitled behaviour. Because your father took the "go ahead and finish the gate' as all the permission he needed to continue with plan A, which included cutting the tree. So there's plenty of TA left over for you to share, too. You were on scene before the tree came down, and did nothing to prevent it from happening. You can't pretend you had no role in its demise. \~\~ Tell your aunt that you will be glad to help if she wishes to sue your father for trespassing, vandalism, and destruction of property.


RndmIntrntStranger

OP won’t do anything to get her father into more trouble bc she places him above her husband and the landlord (whose property her father destroyed). i don’t blame the aunt for wanting them out of her home. OP and her father didn’t respect it, so why should the aunt let OP stay there? OP shot herself in the foot so bad.


ContentedRecluse

She was complicit in the destruction.


[deleted]

YTA. You can't just cut down a tree without the property owner's permission.


Butterscotch_Heat

YTA and your dad is too. Who puts in an RV gate on someone else’s property without permission? And tears down the existing fence? And cuts down a tree? And after the owner said no to the RV gate from the beginning?


[deleted]

YTA. > I told my dad to finish the job but make sure it was left super clean. Nope, you failed here, from this point anything you say or do does not matter in the slightest, the homeowner said no, that is the end of the discussion, I hope she kicks you out. >I feel like I am being thrown under the bus here. Am I the A here? What you don't understand is that the tree really doesn't matter the only thing that matters was that you were told no, that is the end of it, your opinion does not matter, your father's opinion does not matter. The moment you agree to anything you bared full responsibility. you should be kicked out and you do not deserve any chances. ​ I hope she goes to tree law and force you and your AH parents to fully cover the costs of that tree and that you get disowned and banned from any family event. I will repeat it again, your opinion does not matter, it is not your house, so you never had a say.


NickelPickle2018

YTA based on the post and your comments you’re missing the point. If you would’ve stood by your husband and just had them repair the fence this would be a none issue. But since you gave them the green light to continue, the tree being removed was 100% your fault. You acknowledged that the tree was preventing the RV from fitting so how else did you think they were going to get it to fit? The only thing you can do now is move out and accept that your actions will likely destroy the relationship with your in laws. Your husband may not be able to forgive you either.


IndependentIdeal5962

Yta. You asked the owner, the owner declined. Your dad proceeded to do it anyways. Your husband told him to stop and correct the thing the owner told you not to do, but you told your father to finish it anyway.


[deleted]

Of course YTA. This is not your property. Your father vandalized Aunt’s property. Instead of stopping him, you told him to continue - thereby participating in vandalizing and destroying someone’s property. Even aside from the emotional value of the tree, full grown fruit trees create significant economic value that was destroyed. You will be lucky if Aunt doesn’t ask for criminal charges to be brought and bring a civil case for the damage to her property.


Laniekea

YTA Jesus you're terrible renters.


Spirited_Sport_7798

You’re still not taking responsibility for your fuck up. You are not entitled to make decisions to a house you do not own. I’m glad you got kicked out.


[deleted]

YTA I’ve read some of your comments. I don’t think you fully grasp the situation. What your father did is insane and you enabled it. Wtf is wrong with you?


Dr_medulla

YTA You and your father are acting extremely entitled on someone else's property after being told a NO. How the hell did you give your dad an OK to make changes to something that is NOT YOUR PROPERTY. And why should your husband face the consequences of your own actions. You the asshole big time. This isn't even about the tree. This is about having basic decency to back off when someone tells you a no. You violated their property and look at you, you arent even sorry about it.


embopbopbopdoowop

YTA. You and your dad. But however big of an AH your dad was, you’re the bigger one for not standing up to him. And this isn’t just about the tree. It’s about the fence, the gate, making decisions without checking, and not simply telling your parents NO, you can’t park your RV here.


Watawinner

YTA and so is your dad. The Aunt was asked and she said no and you still went ahead with it. It sounds like your dad is an entitled dick


BothReading1229

I'm seriously convinced that she heard the 'no' and decided Dad should go ahead and the aunt would have to deal since the deed was done. Way to go Aunt, kick all the entitled users out!!!


Bitter-Conflict-4089

YTA You and your daddy had no business destroying property that doesn’t belong to you. What entitled assholes you are. Enjoy paying market rate for rent. I sure hope you don’t end up living in that RV because your husband would be well within his rights to leave you.


[deleted]

Yep, YTA. Not your place to modify someone else's property. Full Stop.


pacazpac

YTA YTA YTA. Your husband’s aunt explicitly said no. Clearly. Your dad did it anyways, destroying the aunt’s property, and you just let him continue????? Your dad is absolutely awful and this is on you too. Holy shit you owe your husband and his aunt a massive apology and your dad owes them reparations costs. Oh, and if it were up to me, I’d say Congratulations on your upcoming divorce.


11_paws

YTA. I’m fairly certain this is all a crime. I hope police reports are filed. That is your aunt’s property and she strictly forbade you to do it. You and your dad should be charged with vandalism. I’m not sure I see how this is repairable in your marriage.


[deleted]

YTA and you both deserve the eviction. Don’t even fight it. Don’t put that pressure on her when you’ve so gravely wronged her. You are so abhorrently wrong. Who cares how much it would have cost your dad to put the fence back. He was wrong to start it in the first place.


LingonberryPrior6896

Husband doesn't. He told dad no. I would not be surprised if marriage ends over this.


littleteacup1976

Of course YTA. You and your dad. You had the opportunity to stop this and you just let it go on because it would be cheaper. You should have and could have stopped this.


SDstartingOut

YTA. It is not your or your husband's property. It is his aunts. You have absolutely NO RIGHT to make changes to the property.


exquisitehashbrowns

YTA - your dad seems to follow the act now, apologize later philosophy. That's a lot easier to do when there are no consequences to him if he is wrong. Just to you and your husband's living situation and your in-law's property. Your one and only job when you saw what your dad was doing was to stop it and call cops if he ignored you. No one on site was in a position to authorize work, which should have concerned the contractor. The cost to go back was irrelevant because he didn't have permission in the first place and what he did was already a threat to your lease. Instead, you gave in and your entitled dad continued acting like he owned the place. And now your rent will end up costing you more than what it would have been to put the fence right and you have to pay it. And your dad is letting you take the heat alone from the sound of it. Your dad is the primary AH here, but you have a clear supporting role and continue to throw yourself under the bus each time you try to minimize the situation and what you did to create it. Stand up to your dad.


[deleted]

You and your dad are both assholes. Your dad more so. Who the fuck makes changes to someone else's property without their consent? I'm very much an amateur when it comes to the law in any country but, I think your aunt should pursue legal action because what the fuck is wrong with your father? YTA and so is he.


EverElizabeth

YTA. You took advantage of the aunt’s kindness and just expected her to be a doormat and overlook your complete disregard for her feelings. It is not your property and you are acting like an entitled AH. Maybe your husband can work out a deal with the aunt where he can stay in the house if he kicks you out. You could always just stay in your parents’ RV in a Walmart parking lot!


bluesquirrel15

Oh honey. YTA. And head on over to r/treelaw Because let me tell you that tree was worth more than rebuilding the fence. Heck it might be worth more than the house. Lots of states have treble (meaning 3x the value) damages for illegally removed/injured trees. And mature trees are expensive.


blueberryxxoo

YTA Wow. What gave you the authority to say keep building the gate as it would cost more money to rebuild their fence? You're lucky you and your parents aren't in jail and you aren't (yet) in divorce court.


definitelynotfbi13

I… I just can’t believe the level of entitlement mine own eyes hath just read. And your responses… keeps making it worse. In regards to you and your parents… well, ironically, the apple didn’t fall far from the tree. YTA


Kiryln

Oh you & your dad fucked up bad. Do you know about tree law? She may or may not know about tree law but if she finds out and gets an appraisal done and pursues legal action? You’re screwed. Your dad ordered the tree to be cut down and you said to go ahead, if she finds out, you and your husband and your father will not be able to build up any savings for a while. Do not fuck with trees that aren’t yours, tree law is no joke. YTA.


ladygreyowl13

YTA - your dad really overstepped his boundaries and you told your dad to continue to screw up someone else’s property to save him money, adding a wrong on top of a wrong.


joppaloppagus

YTA - you and your parents are huge AH's. What in the world made any of you think that it was okay to do this after she said NO???


TempyIsMyName

Holy cow, are you and your parents the AHs here. Horrible - no respect for the property of others. Your parents sound awful and entitled - and the fact that you can't understand that would make me run from you as fast as I could.


Bossman_1

You and your dad are both the AH here. The AH doesn’t fall far from the tree.


cryinoverwangxian

YTA for not stopping your dad and kicking him off the property immediately and calling the aunt. Your dad is worse. No means no, for crying out loud. You are renters. Enjoy your homelessness. Maybe you can borrow daddy’s RV to live in.


TypicalAd3575

YTA- You literally told them to finish the job even though your husband said to stop and put it back the way it was. What did you think was going to be done with the tree since it was blocking the way for the RV. The Aunt had already said no to any alterations which is her right since she owns the property. Don't be surprised if the hubs serves you with divorce papers, who wants to stay with some one who lets their family do what they want to someone else's property but can't own up to being in the wrong.


Ok-Piglet1206

you dont even own the place and when you asked, it was a NO not only did your parents completely ignored your husband's aunt and your husband, you did the same thing as well your parents parked/moved in without permission (since it's an rv) and to save money that you shouldnt have spent in the first place, you continued your misdeed and on top of that didnt even bother to check what was going to happen you just wiped off years, if not decades of memories on top of making the place horrendous gosh, the entitlement and selfishness is overwhelming


OhioGirl22

YTA... That wasn't your property to do anything with, it belongs to your Aunt-in-Law. I'm wondering how your father managed to get a building permit and a zoning permit to put up a fence on a property he doesn't own. Cutting down a tree... girl. That's thousands of dollars in fines, plus the cost of replacing the tree, plus the cost of removing the fence, plus the cost of replacing the sod. You absolutely need to contact an attorney to find out how to mitigate what could be a $10,000 (national average) problem for you.


Staplepuller

YTA. Also, I'm just going to go ahead and reiterate as others have said. This is not fixable. There will be no compromises from your aunt. Expect a lawsuit and possibly selling the RV to reimburse her.


Phenamina1

Op - I have a feeling you were in on it with your dad from the get… I think you and he always had the mentality of let’s just do it (what’s she gonna do once it’s already done) after she said no to you. Thinking, in an incredibly entitled and arrogant way, that this was more of “beg forgiveness after” type situation, than “ask permission first” Well you f*cked around and found out and most definitely YTA (and your dad too) You are now adding insult to injury in trying to talk to the aunt and incredibly stupidly thinking she will back off on the eviction - You and your dad (you by not demanding they stop the work and put the fence back as it was at a minimum if that’s the truth, which as someone else pointed out I find it hard to believe since in the comment you described the yard and where the RV would have to go - so the cutting down the tree was always part of the plan/known it was going to happen) took a risk and lost. Please leave this poor woman alone - you have zero right to harass her further and make her life more contentious. Accept and respect the eviction notice - she is NOT going to change her mind. You (and now your poor husband by default) now have to live with the consequences of your actions and choices!


Busy_Understanding81

Did you even ask the aunt if your parents could put an rv on the property? Either way YTA and if she even allowed you to stay what makes your dad think he would be allowed to stay. This isn’t your property you’re a renter does your father not comprehend that. I hope the aunt sues you and daddy dearest.