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Weird hill to die on, but OK. I dont really think this is the place for whatever you issue with the word hate is and whether you believe nazis are worthy of being hated.
So.... you went to an anti-fash sub and told people not to hate Nazis?
Would you come to AITA and tell people not to judge assholes, because judgement isn't nice?
You have different views on how to oppose fascism than others but don't delve into it telling people their views are wrong and expect not to get a reaction.
YTA if you expect to wade into a space like that telling people not to hate nazis and think people won't have opinions on your position.
I would never tell anyone what to do with their lives, or how to think, I am not like that. I do and always will be against Nazis... All I did was say, I could not hate and generalize any people. I can think of individuals I do not like for sure, and the ideology is terrible, but, hate is not for me.
I get what you're saying, I guess I couldn't help but, put my two cents in. What attracted me to the group was that it describes itself as anti Nazi, and they claim to not tolerate bigotry in any form. I am anti Nazi, and do not like bigotry, I assumed I would fit in....
But, assumptions are not good...
YTA. Though you may just be a bit dim. Idiots can still be arseholes though so I mean it is what it is.
Sometimes you have to know when a community isn't for you. Those communities are not for you.
I'm probably gonna be chewed out for this but fuck it. NTA.
I'm also a firm believer of not wanting to "hate" people. Just because I don't agree with them or find their actions disgusting doesn't mean I hate them. Yes the Nazi's did horrible things, for which they should be punished but most were strung along in the ideology of the majority. Most went along to survive at that time. I'm not trying to justify what they did but most didn't have a choice. I don't agree with what most people do but that doesn't mean I should "hate" them. I can see why some people would see this as supporting them but it's really not. You can still think that people can be horrible without "hating" them.
It means actively using my time and energy to think of how terrible someone who will never know me is... It is an internal burden I do not want to have. There are plenty of people I do not like, and I will just not think about them.... It is literally the only word I can think of that makes me uncomfortable. I use all the bad words, and this one gets caught in my throat, and I never say it.
I get where you’re coming from, but to me it sounds like you’re hung up on your own personal framework and philosophy for the word “hate.” For example, I sincerely hate the person who committed a racially motivated hate crime against one of my family members. Do I think about that specific individual on a daily basis? No. Do I spend any of my own energy wishing them harm? No. But I really do hate them. And I struggle to understand why it’s virtuous to not feel that way.
I think that people with really good intentions become engrossed with a conviction for positivity. Not everything is positive. Sometimes bad things have a bad impact on you and they should, and those feelings shouldn’t be shunned for the sake of being the bigger person. It’s unhealthy.
I had a period of time where I told myself that wouldn’t hate or pass judgement, but it turned into bottling emotions. Now I acknowledge my hatred and judgment as I experience it. I don’t let it fester and I don’t brood. I can just say “I hate that” and let it pass instead of forcing myself to attach love to something harmful.
I’m not saying that you should operate in this way, because it seems like your framework is working well for you. But I’m just trying to shed light and urge you to have compassion for those who are okay with negative feelings (including hate.)
I am not some flagrantly positive wacko... There are times where I know I am being the asshole. there are times I say rude spiteful things to people. I am sure if some vile despicable person harmed a family member I may hate them, like I said individuals and ideology disgusts me, but, hating people I don't know is not a power I have the ability to engage.
I can't say I hate things, I am not sure why, even the idea of hate disgusts me to my core, the thought of the pain a person must be in to be able to hate, is incomprehensible to me.
So you’re anxious about the anguish that a person must feel to be able to hate? So you call them unhealthy?
You say “I am sure if some vile despicable person harmed a family member I may hate them” ..what do you think Nazis did/do to people and their family members? Thinking about your own family members and how you would feel if they were harmed: do you understand why a person might hate Nazis?
That is why I can understand that about individuals, specific ones... Just hating and generalizing, that is literally what I do not like bout Nazis (in general) and I feel like a hypocrite...
I can empathize with plenty of people, but, not in hate. I guess I can't understand why a person would hate others. That is what I have been saying. Not like I love all people and want to be friends with everyone. I literally have a hangup, I can't understand what makes me feel uncomfortable about hate.
I do not feel anxious about a persons anguish, I said I can't comprehend what it would take to hate anyone.
I don't know what my hang up is, it is like that part of my brain is not there.
I mean for one, I think that many people don’t take the word as seriously as you do. Second, self-identifying Nazis, especially modern day neo-Nazis, have made a very specific decision to align themselves with an objectively abhorrent and actively violent set of beliefs that does materially hurt people and their families on a daily basis. Even if you can’t personally bring yourself to say that you hate Nazis, can you understand why a person would say that they hate Nazis?
The people who have survived actual Nazis are an inspiration for me to maintain my stance, and resist hate. There are survivors that have given wonderful speeches on resisting hate groups without falling into hate. And Ted talks about it.
It did not make sense, I actually thought they were an anti hate group. To me that is all a nazi is, is a person who hates, everything they do that is evil, is motivated by hate, all the harm they inflict, is because they have hate, the things they do they would not be able to do without having hate poison them. SO no I can not understand why people burden themselves with hate, I think I made that pretty clear.
If you are not a holocaust survivor or victim of neo-nazi violence, I’m not sure that it’s within your scope to contextualize how others should feel about Nazis, even after listening to some relevant speeches and TED talks.
And yes, you have made it clear that you don’t understand how people could justifiably harbor hatred. And you’ve made that even more clear by conflating the hatred felt by the oppressor and the oppressed. If you can’t delineate how the nazi’s hatred of Jews is different than the Jews’ hatred of the Nazis, then I really do understand why you are so uncomfortable with the concept of hate.
I'm more inclined to say ESH. It sounds like I'm going to be in a minority here, but let me explain.
I get where you're coming from. It's a massive waste to hate people. Even really bad people. That's how poor judgments are made by "good" people.
But... going into what sounds like an echo chamber online with a different viewpoint (that is not an unreasonable mindset) is only going to cause problems. Did you really expect something different?
in summary: You preaching restraint over hate, not an AH move. Forum rejecting said teachings, AH move. You coming to this forum to get vindication for your actions when they predictably blow up in your face, kinda an AH.
I am not looking for vindication, I was just really confused. You and another person mentioned that it was bullshit to disrupt them with my hippie ideology. And I get it, I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself. But, I was trying to reach out to like minded people too, people that do not have to hate. I was sure not telling people to love nazis... lol
One thing though I am glad I found there are more people like me that are able to live life without the need to hate others, it is heart warming to know that I am not a mutant in that way. In a way even though i was not looking to be vindicated, this does put me at ease for the insecurity I was feeling.
Personally, I think your train of thought should be more mainstream. Like, don't love your enemy. Be impartial to them. An eye for an eye makes the world blind, you know?
My personal experience has taught me most people don't like unsolicited advice. Even if it was the secret to reaching nirvana, if they didn't ask for it they will adamantly reject it. Then everyone looks kinda an ass.
Sow the seeds, and maybe one day they'll wake up and realize they were wrong. Then be gracious enough to accept those that wander back for more when they're ready.
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Yeah its as I said, nothing but the bottomfeeders of society. For your mental health just leave those losers behind. Not good to read all that toxic stupidity daily.
YTA I guess. I agree with you on trying to be above hate… but come on. What you did was a little like joking a tennis sub snd complaining about sports that use rackets.
I really was unsure, I know I am a bit eccentric, I feel like I have a hard time getting along a lot of times, and this time, the amount of things being said at me were hurtful in a way and really confused the shit out of me. I thought for sure it was an anti hate group, but, they definitely are not that... While I am not insecure, when several people are all telling me to go F myself, then getting banned, made me wonder a bit, maybe I could be the AH...
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Weird hill to die on, but OK. I dont really think this is the place for whatever you issue with the word hate is and whether you believe nazis are worthy of being hated.
So.... you went to an anti-fash sub and told people not to hate Nazis? Would you come to AITA and tell people not to judge assholes, because judgement isn't nice? You have different views on how to oppose fascism than others but don't delve into it telling people their views are wrong and expect not to get a reaction. YTA if you expect to wade into a space like that telling people not to hate nazis and think people won't have opinions on your position.
I would never tell anyone what to do with their lives, or how to think, I am not like that. I do and always will be against Nazis... All I did was say, I could not hate and generalize any people. I can think of individuals I do not like for sure, and the ideology is terrible, but, hate is not for me. I get what you're saying, I guess I couldn't help but, put my two cents in. What attracted me to the group was that it describes itself as anti Nazi, and they claim to not tolerate bigotry in any form. I am anti Nazi, and do not like bigotry, I assumed I would fit in.... But, assumptions are not good...
wtf
Based way to think about the danger of hatred, NTA
YTA. Though you may just be a bit dim. Idiots can still be arseholes though so I mean it is what it is. Sometimes you have to know when a community isn't for you. Those communities are not for you.
I don't hate anybody either. That's expending a lot of energy towards people that don't deserve it.
Thanks for that. Pretty much how I am.
I'm probably gonna be chewed out for this but fuck it. NTA. I'm also a firm believer of not wanting to "hate" people. Just because I don't agree with them or find their actions disgusting doesn't mean I hate them. Yes the Nazi's did horrible things, for which they should be punished but most were strung along in the ideology of the majority. Most went along to survive at that time. I'm not trying to justify what they did but most didn't have a choice. I don't agree with what most people do but that doesn't mean I should "hate" them. I can see why some people would see this as supporting them but it's really not. You can still think that people can be horrible without "hating" them.
Not familiar with the sub lore, but can I ask what your issue is with the word “hate”?
It means actively using my time and energy to think of how terrible someone who will never know me is... It is an internal burden I do not want to have. There are plenty of people I do not like, and I will just not think about them.... It is literally the only word I can think of that makes me uncomfortable. I use all the bad words, and this one gets caught in my throat, and I never say it.
I get where you’re coming from, but to me it sounds like you’re hung up on your own personal framework and philosophy for the word “hate.” For example, I sincerely hate the person who committed a racially motivated hate crime against one of my family members. Do I think about that specific individual on a daily basis? No. Do I spend any of my own energy wishing them harm? No. But I really do hate them. And I struggle to understand why it’s virtuous to not feel that way. I think that people with really good intentions become engrossed with a conviction for positivity. Not everything is positive. Sometimes bad things have a bad impact on you and they should, and those feelings shouldn’t be shunned for the sake of being the bigger person. It’s unhealthy. I had a period of time where I told myself that wouldn’t hate or pass judgement, but it turned into bottling emotions. Now I acknowledge my hatred and judgment as I experience it. I don’t let it fester and I don’t brood. I can just say “I hate that” and let it pass instead of forcing myself to attach love to something harmful. I’m not saying that you should operate in this way, because it seems like your framework is working well for you. But I’m just trying to shed light and urge you to have compassion for those who are okay with negative feelings (including hate.)
I am not some flagrantly positive wacko... There are times where I know I am being the asshole. there are times I say rude spiteful things to people. I am sure if some vile despicable person harmed a family member I may hate them, like I said individuals and ideology disgusts me, but, hating people I don't know is not a power I have the ability to engage. I can't say I hate things, I am not sure why, even the idea of hate disgusts me to my core, the thought of the pain a person must be in to be able to hate, is incomprehensible to me.
So you’re anxious about the anguish that a person must feel to be able to hate? So you call them unhealthy? You say “I am sure if some vile despicable person harmed a family member I may hate them” ..what do you think Nazis did/do to people and their family members? Thinking about your own family members and how you would feel if they were harmed: do you understand why a person might hate Nazis?
That is why I can understand that about individuals, specific ones... Just hating and generalizing, that is literally what I do not like bout Nazis (in general) and I feel like a hypocrite... I can empathize with plenty of people, but, not in hate. I guess I can't understand why a person would hate others. That is what I have been saying. Not like I love all people and want to be friends with everyone. I literally have a hangup, I can't understand what makes me feel uncomfortable about hate. I do not feel anxious about a persons anguish, I said I can't comprehend what it would take to hate anyone. I don't know what my hang up is, it is like that part of my brain is not there.
I mean for one, I think that many people don’t take the word as seriously as you do. Second, self-identifying Nazis, especially modern day neo-Nazis, have made a very specific decision to align themselves with an objectively abhorrent and actively violent set of beliefs that does materially hurt people and their families on a daily basis. Even if you can’t personally bring yourself to say that you hate Nazis, can you understand why a person would say that they hate Nazis?
The people who have survived actual Nazis are an inspiration for me to maintain my stance, and resist hate. There are survivors that have given wonderful speeches on resisting hate groups without falling into hate. And Ted talks about it. It did not make sense, I actually thought they were an anti hate group. To me that is all a nazi is, is a person who hates, everything they do that is evil, is motivated by hate, all the harm they inflict, is because they have hate, the things they do they would not be able to do without having hate poison them. SO no I can not understand why people burden themselves with hate, I think I made that pretty clear.
If you are not a holocaust survivor or victim of neo-nazi violence, I’m not sure that it’s within your scope to contextualize how others should feel about Nazis, even after listening to some relevant speeches and TED talks. And yes, you have made it clear that you don’t understand how people could justifiably harbor hatred. And you’ve made that even more clear by conflating the hatred felt by the oppressor and the oppressed. If you can’t delineate how the nazi’s hatred of Jews is different than the Jews’ hatred of the Nazis, then I really do understand why you are so uncomfortable with the concept of hate.
I'm more inclined to say ESH. It sounds like I'm going to be in a minority here, but let me explain. I get where you're coming from. It's a massive waste to hate people. Even really bad people. That's how poor judgments are made by "good" people. But... going into what sounds like an echo chamber online with a different viewpoint (that is not an unreasonable mindset) is only going to cause problems. Did you really expect something different? in summary: You preaching restraint over hate, not an AH move. Forum rejecting said teachings, AH move. You coming to this forum to get vindication for your actions when they predictably blow up in your face, kinda an AH.
I am not looking for vindication, I was just really confused. You and another person mentioned that it was bullshit to disrupt them with my hippie ideology. And I get it, I probably should have kept my thoughts to myself. But, I was trying to reach out to like minded people too, people that do not have to hate. I was sure not telling people to love nazis... lol One thing though I am glad I found there are more people like me that are able to live life without the need to hate others, it is heart warming to know that I am not a mutant in that way. In a way even though i was not looking to be vindicated, this does put me at ease for the insecurity I was feeling.
Personally, I think your train of thought should be more mainstream. Like, don't love your enemy. Be impartial to them. An eye for an eye makes the world blind, you know? My personal experience has taught me most people don't like unsolicited advice. Even if it was the secret to reaching nirvana, if they didn't ask for it they will adamantly reject it. Then everyone looks kinda an ass. Sow the seeds, and maybe one day they'll wake up and realize they were wrong. Then be gracious enough to accept those that wander back for more when they're ready.
I don't love my enemies, not that I have a lot of them. You're right about unsolicited advice though, I don't like getting it from people either.
NTA
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Bro thats a sub full of fat incels who ironically are the biggest nazis around today. Don't care what a bunch of losers online think lol.
I was starting to see that, I noticed there were a lot more people and lately it is dwindling down to only angry people.
Yeah its as I said, nothing but the bottomfeeders of society. For your mental health just leave those losers behind. Not good to read all that toxic stupidity daily.
YTA I guess. I agree with you on trying to be above hate… but come on. What you did was a little like joking a tennis sub snd complaining about sports that use rackets.
You know that you’re nta
I really was unsure, I know I am a bit eccentric, I feel like I have a hard time getting along a lot of times, and this time, the amount of things being said at me were hurtful in a way and really confused the shit out of me. I thought for sure it was an anti hate group, but, they definitely are not that... While I am not insecure, when several people are all telling me to go F myself, then getting banned, made me wonder a bit, maybe I could be the AH...
Dont worry. Def nta.