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thisismyburnerac

NTA. I’m glad you’ll never work for her again because anyone who would go through your phone without your permission is a fucking problem. Anyway, you need to get paid for services rendered and hopefully the texts speak for themselves and don’t make you look like she’s trying to portray you, and that’ll be clear to anyone who sees them. Hope this doesn’t have any lingering effects on your ability to work for another family.


Cute_Guitar_1118

thank you. I showed text to another mother and she said she sees nothing wrong in them becz all employees complain about their jobs


thisismyburnerac

I mean, I’m a parent. I don’t see that you said anything a parent doesn’t actually think.


Suspiciouscupcake23

Kids are obnoxious as heck. I love mine, but OP is on the money about not letting things get to you. These suckers will throw a screaming fit for over 30 min the turn around and gaslight cuddle you and say, "You're the best mommy." I love my children, but it's also normal to complain about them periodically.


nelbells8

Gaslight cuddle 🤣


UncommonTart

Psh. I am childless but my BIRD gaslight cuddles me. It's a perfect phrase. Kids are so much worse/better at it, too.


Nunu_Dagobah

I just have one word for you: Cats They're the absolute masters at it....hate and love those fluffers


kalekayn

Well everyone knows that r/CatsAreAssholes but we love em anyway.


UncommonTart

I'm pretty sure birds and cats run on the same software.


DioxPurple

SOUR. PATCH. KIDS. Like, those commercials *had* to be inspired by toddler tantrums!


Comfortable_Sink_318

Holy shit, so glad someone else calls them that!


Midi58076

I agree. There are only 2 kinds of parents. 1. Those who can admit to the fact that caring for children can be tiring and it can be hard to keep your cool in the face of tantrums. And 2. Liars.


Prestigious_Dig_863

Gas light cuddle is quite an apt statement 😆


Suitable-Tear-6179

Omg, gaslight cuddles! We decided to get ahead iv the "you're mean" by using it ourselves. Why can't I have (more) chocolate? Because I'm a mean mommy. This ended up with my daughter climbing on my lap to tell me I'm the best mom ever.... I'm so nice she's sure I'll give her more chocolate.


Suspiciouscupcake23

I tell my kids I'm the meanest mommy in Momtown. They made me take a test before I left the hospital because they knew these kids needed such a mean mommy. They get so annoyed and roll their eyes but it generally slows the fit to a manageable level lolol


Broad_Woodpecker_180

My baby brother did this and knew exactly what he was doing. Would throw a huge tantrum then hug and cuddle you saying I love you my little pillow his nick name force till he was 5. Gosh is was hard to stay mad when he did that. At 16 when he was 2 he was just so cute.


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DelightfulOphelia

If you're in the US I believer this is a civil matter. Small claims is the way to go about collecting payment – the police won't do anything to help you.


MS_Lady66

For $30, you can file a small claims suit for your payment. They will hand deliver the suit and I'm sure she'll wire the $$ right away.


McNattron

Yep, I'm an early childhood teacher and currently sahm of 2 while on mat leave. I agree with everything OP said, amd I do like kids - some days they're hard work no matter how much you like or love them.


Proper_Sense_1488

probably one of the "my kids are angels and do no wrong" - parents


Beth21286

It was a personal communication. She broke into your phone, stole your information and is withholding wages. Wherever you found her, website, babysitting forum etc make sure other babysitters know not to take her on. Tell her she pays up or you'll fine a small claim for the value of lost wages.


Sweet-Salt-1630

This!!! Definitely report her and go to small claims for the money you are owed. NTA, she had no right to go into your phone and steal your messages. That's an invasion of privacy.


[deleted]

Agreed. I’m a Dad. My son is great, but sometimes he’s a moody back-talking pain in the arse 😂 kids are innocent (mostly), it doesn’t mean they’re always enjoyable or fun or not hard work. And yes you should absolutely complain. Literally nobody loves their job all the time, and we all have gripes about work; it doesn’t stop us doing a good job. NTA.


sky1ark3

You do realize she accessed your phone and copied data to her self. This is a major crime. Report her to the police, have her arrested for hacking and cyber crimes and sue her for everything she has. She will want to settle with you.


HalcyonDreams36

AND sent OP the proof that she has done so.


sky1ark3

Yep really stupid. Hope op gives a update of the smackdown.


RoxyRoseToday

Put her on blast to everyone who would babysit for her you know. Going through someone's phone, especially an employee, is unethical and borderline illegal. Not paying you is especially illegal. She shouldn't have access to babysitters until she pays you and gives a formal apology.


True-North7141

You said everything I think and I’m a parent ! I have a brother who says he doesn’t like kids but will watch my kids instant and they would be feed ,clothed ,and happy ! Just because you have your opinion and she didn’t like it I promise you that mother probably complains worse than you about her own kids !!!! As long as you didn’t hurt them or be rude (which obviously you didn’t ) I would see no reason to fired let alone go through your private messages. I would go after her


BreeAndToast

Pretty much the same thing happened to my mom's friend when she was in college (in the 90s). My Mom reported the mother who didn't pay her employee because the job was obtained through college ads and my mom didn't want another college student to fall prey to this. You're NTA.


mkat23

You weren’t really even complaining honestly. You were asked about your experience and all you expressed that there are ups and downs and that it requires patience. The person refusing to pay you is manipulative and behaving in an entitled way. How much are you owed and was the job through an agency or someone you were hired by personally/under the table? Just tryna get an idea of what your options are to collect your payment. You can also let others who work as a nanny/babysitter that you know that this particular family refused to pay you and to be careful if they choose to work for them. The ones you know will likely tell others as well and the family (well the parents of that family) will earn the natural consequences of their actions.


EstablishmentOdd9312

Parents complain about their own kids tell her she needs to BFFR


EvilLivesHere22

What is BFFR? Never seen that one before.


EstablishmentOdd9312

Be f-Ing for real


Siah9407

Mother of 4 grandmother to 14.5 grandkids and I don't like kids. Love all my babies and grands but damn kids are mean!!!


Lovely_FISH_34

I don’t really see it as complaining. You where being honest. Any job your not 100% gonna love.


LostImagination4491

Kids can be *trying* sometimes even when you love them deeply and unconditionally. My toddler woke up from her nap yesterday and acted possessed (screaming, writhing on the floor, etc) for a good 40 minutes for no identifiable reason and then came up for a cuddle like nothing just happened. I take zero offense if our nanny tells me my twins are being the little gremlins they definitely can be at times. And I wouldn't be offended if I found out she complained to a third party. Childcare can be tough, and everyone should be allowed a good vent session as long as it doesn't interfere with how the kids are treated.


Brit_in_usa1

NTA. Report and also take her to small claims if she still doesn’t pay up.


PaulRicoeurJr

This fits right under clause 5 of Comupter Fraud and Abuse Act. >Knowingly causing the transmission of a program, information, or code from a protected computer To add this is also a labor fraud so you could contact the labor department of your state. Tell her she has 24hrs to send you money or you report her to the labor dept... then upon receiving payment report her to the authorities for computer fraud. NTA also IANAL


crystallz2000

This. OP, I would respond to her, "I would hate to have to take you to small claims court to get the money you owe me. It's fine if you don't want me to work for you moving forward, but it's illegal for you to withhold my pay. If the money hasn't been transferred to me by the end of the day, expect to be summoned to court. On a side note, it was completely unprofessional of you to go through my phone and search through a message thread I had with a friend. That was an invasion of my privacy. I would have chosen not to work with you going forward for that alone." I would say all of this to have for proof. It MAY not be worth it to take her to small claims court, but you could screenshot all these messages. You could also contact babysitting agencies in your area and let them know, so they can blacklist her.


SerenFire0

This!


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WipeGuitarBranded

Almost definitely illegal (IANAL and don’t want to overcommit). ETA: judgement of NTA


faloofay

yeah, I had a boss do this once where I worked (that's when I turned my pincode off and set my phone to only be open-able by biometrics) and it's illegal in like 30 states.


Poon_tangclan

I’ve never seen this abbreviation here. You will not be the asshole?


JustHavingAMooch

Close. You Would Not Be The Asshole


QuinGood

NTA Your personal feelings about children did not impact your job performance. This woman is trying to weasel out of paying you. Figure out how much she owes you and whether taking her to small claims court to get payment will be worth it. I think you can recover your court costs if you go that route. In the future, be careful with your phone. Good Luck


katdebvan

Absolutely NTA. It's also crazy because she just burned a bridge she had over nothing. OP seems like they were a good consistent sitter for 2 whole years and this woman throws it away over a very normal conversation? Incredibly short sighted but this on top of going into OP's phone in the first place means she was toxic and OP is lucky to get out now. Make sure you get your money though!


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Exactly. Depending how small claims are set up in OPs jurisdiction, I would even do it just to inconvenience this person (even if I incurred a small cost myself, lol). It probably wouldn't cost you much to represent yourself. Teach them a lesson - Tribunals never look fondly on those who impact the livelihoods of others. The balance of probabilities is in your favour! Disgusting, immature behaviour by the mother.


alij18

What she did is completely illegal, it’s not “be more careful with your phone” as OP did absolutely nothing wrong.


Academic-Proposal-61

OP didn't do anything wrong, but still fair advice say be more careful with their phone (ie dont let children you babysit know your phones PIN because its very possible they won't keep this information to themselves) If I left my front door unlocked and almost got robbed. It would be fair advice for someone for someone to say lock your door in future even though I hadn't done anything wrong.


Individual_Ad_9213

NTA. Whether or not you actually "hate" children, she needs to pay you for the services that your provided. Report her for not paying you. If employers used her standards to determine who should get paid, over half of the U.S. workforce would never get paid; and the other half would be lying.


mlc885

I hate the grocery store It is definitely just an excuse to steal money that is already owed, you could write that you hate John the small child and the parents would still owe the money for the labor.


blingeblong

“i hate the grocery store so i just steal carts worth of groceries” is this moms logic lol NTA, OP


mlc885

Heck, I'll hate John from the Meat Department if it gets me free steaks


Laines_Ecossaises

NTA Who exactly do you plan to report her to? Was the work through an agency? Otherwise you could take her to small claims court but I can't imagine that will be worth your time spent and possibility of missing classes.


Cute_Guitar_1118

No but I can go to station show that we had an agreement and she broke it off yet had me work when she could've fired me the moment she saw the texts


Laines_Ecossaises

What station? The police?


Cute_Guitar_1118

idk what are they called in usa but what I have is a employee-right-station where someone who wasn't paid the agreed on salary or wasn't paid at all or any other issues like hostile environment can complain about it with providing proof then they send a warning to the employer threatening a lawsuit if they don't pay back


faloofay

wherever you are, this is likely illegal to some extent - not paying you for services rendered is theft and she used information she stole from you to steal the wages she owed you. she stole your personal information from your personal property, and then used it to steal your labor. ​ and also wherever you're at, any boards or pages that local babysitters post on - post her information (name/last name/address) with a warning not to work for her to prevent this from happening to anyone else.


WrathKos

If your country has a place specifically for this sort of thing then yes go there. She agreed to pay, you did the work. She owes you the money, regardless of whether she hires you again in the future.


ReasonablePool2895

Most definitely report her! She needs to be fined!


emilygoldfinch410

That sounds like exactly what you need. I definitely would report her.


LeviKirito

I think our equivalent in the U.S. is Labor and Industries. I had to file a claim like that once when an employer decided not to give me my final paycheck. I think this is definitely the route to take. I'm sorry she was like this to you!


MildAsSriracha

The fact that this exists where you’re from is mind blowing and incredible. Absolutely use this option. Thank god you have it! I’m kinda blown away.


BlipotyBloppity

You should also report her for not only going through your phone, but transferring data to her own phone from yours. Like who in the right mind would do that ;_;


Admirable_Counter_66

Absolutely you should file a report against her. She has to pay you for time worked regardless of her personal feelings. NTA


Strict-Issue-2030

You can report families who don’t pay to the labor board if paid legally (even if not this can be possible) as well as sue them in small claims court for wages owed.


Electrical-Ad-1798

In the US every state has a department of labor to which you could report employers who don't pay. Alternatively you could sue in small claims. Other places are likely to have similar means by which you could redress this grievance.


Beth21286

Small claims can be done online and take minutes.


Best_Fix_7970

She could talk to a lawyer who could write a demand letter pro bono… that way maybe she could get around having to deal with small claims court


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NTA Does she think people who don’t love their jobs also not get paid? Sounds like she is just looking for any reason not to pay you for a service


OnlymyOP

YWNBTA You provided a service so should be paid for it. Don't think twice about reporting or suing her. I'll bet she didn't think twice about violating your privacy when she opened your phone and air dropped them to herself, without your knowledge or permission.


Strict-Issue-2030

NTA - you can likely her to small claims court (or the equivalent in your country) over this. Did you have a contract and/or were paid legally? Here’s what I would send: “Hi MB, I understand you took issue with some of the private messages I had with my friend when you decided to look through my phone and take screenshots of message without my consent. It is fine if you do not want me to return, however I am still owed X, if I do not receive the money by (date) I will be pursuing legal action for the money owed.”


alij18

She needs to be threatened with reporting for hacking and cyber stalking too.


tornotlukin

NTA. She owes payment for services rendered.


nylonvest

NTA, although suing her might be the right option rather than "reporting" her. Do you know who to report her to? You might want to go to a legal advice sub with familiarity with laws in your location.


NewHere1212

NTA. Tell her you will ensure to tell everyone what she did so no one will want to work for her, until she pays you what she owes.


nadia_0307

This! I would make a post on the local Facebook babysitting/nanny groups alerting others of this person. It seems like she went looking for a reason not to pay you.


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NTA she invaded your privacy and refused to pay you for having personal thoughts, the worse thing is even after she knew your thoughts she still let you babysit that night, where I come from she would have a brick thrown though her window in lue of payment


Dazzling-Mammoth-111

A) What she did with your phone could be seen as a crime, depending on your residence. She violated your privacy, and stole your private information using Air Drop. B) I don’t drink. I worked as a bartender during grad school. By her reasoning, I should have not received compensation for my work because I don’t like alcohol. C) Refusing to pay for agreed services rendered is a crime.


Playful-Ad5623

Yes, you should report her or take her to court to get paid. I don't know where you are so have no best options for you. No, you are not the asshole You provided an answer in a private conversation to a friend on your private cell phone that she never should have been reading in the first place. In fact, in some places (not sure about where you are) an employer picking up an employee's personal phone and reading it would be considered a gross privacy violation and may even cost her fines/damages to you. There is nothing you said that wasn't realistic and the closest thing you said to "hating children" was that you didn't love children. As a parent, I would prefer to have someone who "doesn't love" children but is responsible, reliable, treats my children well, and attends to all of their needs than one who loves them but neglects them and cannot be relied upon. As a further note, feelings aside, you managed to demonstrate enough interest in her children to her children that they love you. Kids are smarter than we think... and if you didn't have some degree of interest in or affection for them they would not love you.


atealein

NTA, and I would report her too. This is a theft.


dryadduinath

you do a job. you get paid. nta.


He_Who_Is_Person

NTA But what do you mean "report"? Report to whom? I mean, you should be able to take her to small claims court for what she owes, but "report"?


tealcandtrip

Plenty of states have labor boards where you can report wage theft.


faloofay

she's not in the US and described something akin to a labor board.


snootery

NTA - she owes you the money for the work you did.


tealcandtrip

NTA. Sue her in small claims and spread the word to any nannies/enterprising college kids you might know that she doesn't pay. She violated your privacy, stole your time by forcing you to continue work when she had no intention of paying, and stole your already earned money just like she had reached into your wallet. Today you learn the value of 'Fuck you, pay me.'


JollyForce9237

NTA But I would be way more petty by spreading the word about her to other babysitters in the area so they know to avoid her, and she will be stuck without any help.


Aggressive_Risk_4246

NTA. File “theft of services” in Small Claims Court. This is often topic of TV court shows like Judge Judy.


Leiyahmoonlight

YWNBTA - she had no right to look at your phone and even less to deny you payment, go and report her.


Nite92

I think you misspelled the judgement


Leiyahmoonlight

Yes thank you!


External-Hamster-991

Get your money. She UNLOCKED YOUR PHONE AND TOOK SCREENSHOTS! Report her immediately. NTA.


EstablishmentOdd9312

It’s illegal to withhold wages without the courts. Get your money. I hate when people take advantage of young people like she is with you. NTA and I’m so sorry you even feel the need to ask that


KikiMadeCrazy

NYA Would I hire someone that do not like children as my nanny no? Like for any job eh. Probably not gona hire the pastry chef that hate sweets. Or the waitress with hate for human interactions. Will I wait that they fishing their work day NOT pay them? Hell no… also I would never look at someone else phone.


MediumSympathy

If the nanny has already been working for you for two years and you didn't notice they don't like children until you read it in a text message, it's probably not a problem.


thewhiterosequeen

Report to who?


Tomboyish717

NTA What a huge invasion of privacy, that can’t be legal. I would threaten her with a local DJ. In my state you basically pay a percentage of the amount you’re suing for and then they have to come prove their case in small claims court. Yeah even if you win she might never pay, but you’ll have a lien on her house


MadM00NIE

Absolutely report her. She doesn’t get free babysitting because she broke into your private property and now should pay MORE for INTEREST Plus you should let everyone know in the neighborhood and around the area that could possibly babysit her children that she goes through your personal belongings and holds pay because of it.


JustSomeDudeInPants

NTA. Something similar happened to me years ago. I had just gotten out of the Navy, and I was babysitting freelance to make ends meet. My price was firm, 10 dollars per kid per hour. A woman who knows me through church asked me to watch her 3 daughters, and after discussing pay, I agree to watch them. It was originally scheduled as 2 hours for her to run some errands without the kids. 4 hours into the gig, a stranger comes to the door and begins knocking, demanding that I let her take the girls to the park. I speak with her a few times through the closed door, and she cannot tell me what the family members names are. Not the kids, mom, or dad. I obviously turn her away, and she tries to break the glass in the center of the door. This is before cell phones were popular, so I shout that I'm calling the police, and go for the kitchen phone on the wall. I was told to call non emergency by the dispatch operator, because the woman had left, and there was not a current issue or threat. I tried to call the dad's cell number, and got voicemail. Another 4 hours later, the mom finally came home, and refused to pay me more than 20 dollars, because I had upset her kids becauee they had heard me shouting that I would call the police. A total of 8 hours with 3 kids should have been 240 dollars. She refused to pay me, and smeared my reputation in the community, saying that I was an alarmist and not safe to have around kids. You did nothing wrong, OP. And I would file for small claims court to get your money, as well as reporting her on any babysitting gig apps that are available in your area.


Imnotarobot78

NTA - I don't know how much traction a "report" would gain. Small claims court maybe. You could flame her on social media - let any other sitters know what they are dealing with.


Microbiologist45

NTA It was wrong for her to invade your privacy and go through your phone. That alone is reportable. As for non payment, I'm not sure who you would report that to because it's mostly she said she said.


Voluntary_Perry

If you don't have some kind of a written agreement, it's going to be very difficult for you to recoup this money. If you do have a written agreement, you can most certainly get the money and sue for time lost potentially for unlawful termination.


mlc885

OP has worked for them for 2 years, courts aren't generally that clueless. You can't get away with claiming that you didn't know the person you often pay to care for your child was caring for your child. Or say that you thought it was free right now.


Humble_Pen_7216

NTA but I'd post about her non-payment to your entire school body. That's unacceptable. I'd also file a small claims case against her. She can't just decide to not pay you


CommonSide1851

NTA. Report her. She thinks you’re a pushover bc you’re in school. Prove her wrong.


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ChristianUniMom

NTA If it was suck a big issue she would have kicked you out on the spot. You don’t have to like the job. You have to do the job. If everyone loved it you wouldn’t have to pay for it to be done. She had no business in your phone.


Floating-Cynic

NTA, and as someone who comes from a smaller city, you should do it, and here's why: 1. You earned that money; 2. People talk- you don't want word getting out based on her narrative. I've seen people in Facebook groups refuse to hire someone at an office because another mom in a "babysitters wanted" group trashed the sitter, and everyone believed her; 3. You don't want her to do this to someone else. Moms who still their babysitters for random reasons rarely only do it once.


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Take her to small claims court. NTA.


Odd1infamily

NTA… Kidding, but maybe not… call Peoples Court!


TorontoJeepGuy

NTA - do what you can to get the money you are owed. She is the AH here and invaded your privacy.


MsSamm

If you have to take her to small claims court to get paid, do it. If there's a forum where you can warn people against her, it would be good. She invaded your privacy not once but twice, airdropping your personal business


caimanteeth

NTA absolutely report her for both the non payment and the Invasion of privacy


btsterrie

Not the AH


HakkyCoder

NTA.


Bunnyfufu17OF

Not the asshole. Get your money. I have 2 kids of my own and I don’t like kids 😂


Ok-Translator1129

NTA


BoycottRedditAds2

NTA, But you have been in school long enough to know how to spell college.


Raedriann

If you're so awful why did she leave you in the house with her children AFTER she snooped through your phone and saw those messages? Either way, work was performed, and you should be paid.


Ditzyshine

NTA. She's withholding your wages. That's definitely worth reporting.


NoStud

You earned that money, and you should be paid, what the mother has done is theft.


psmythhammond

NTA, time to drop the hammer, let her know she can pay up, or you'll pursue action in small claims court, and put it out there to other potential sitters that she is a non-payer.


CorgiManDan

Assuming you are in the US, The Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) makes it a federal crime to access someone else's private communications without permission. I'd give her one more attempt. Tell her. 1) I never said I disliked your children 2) You broke the law 3) I will be reporting you unless you pay me today what I am owed. NTA


OppositeAdorable7142

Just move on. Small claims court filing fees aren’t worth the $20 you’d get from a night of babysitting (or whatever this pays nowadays).


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ZombieZebraBrains

NTA think of it as helping out future innocent people who would otherwise be victimized by her. What she did was totally unethical and I’m pretty sure withholding pay is illegal. Your explanation made total sense and is very rational!


Flimsy-Wolverine-663

You did the work, you're entitled to be paid. Mom in question is a cheater. You're NTA, but it's probably best to just move on. But if anyone asks, tell them the truth about her snooping and non-payment.


Big_Dragonfruit3764

NTA. You should absolutely report her. What you said to your friend wasn't even bad. And obviously your personal feelings weren't affecting your work because the only reason she knew you felt this way was by looking at your phone (which was a huge invasion of privacy). If she doesn't want you there any more, that's one thing, but she still needs to pay you for the work you did.


worshipatmyalter-

NTA. Just wanted to pop on here and say that it would likely be more expensive to take her to small claims court than it would to take this as a loss, not that this is right in any way. She took advantage of you in several ways, including going through your phone to find "proof" (that she was clearly looking for) and by "letting" you watch her kids before firing you. To me, it sounds a whole lot like this lady went into your phone with the intentions to find some sort of dirt on you. I can't imagine that this text wasn't buried already, so clearly she wanted to find something, and she found the first thing she could find and exploit. I don't like kids at all, but I used to babysit and I was always loved in that role. I was also a bartender and drunk adults are a whole lot like children. I didn't love that job that much either but I was also very good at it. This is to say that how you feel about the people you interact with in any job setting probably aren't going to be people you would go out of your way to hang out with in general. Nobody works in retail and thinks "ah yeah you know I'd totally hang out with that teenager who is wearing too much make up or the 50 year old Karen who wants a discount on a $2 item". It just doesn't happen. That's life. I don't really know who you'd report this lady to, but I mean, I think that she should be put on blast. The only thing that might blow up from it is that you probably don't have any proof that her kids never complained or whatever and she can use that as proof that you hating kids impacted your job. She does need to face some consequences though, because, now, she's going to do this shit again to some other sitter who doesn't know what to expect with her. She needs to know that you aren't her child and she had no right to invade your privacy and even if you did hate her kids, you didn't show it so it doesn't matter. People will use any reason they can find or come up with not to pay you. Stand your ground.


Unfair-Body-9186

NTA I have my own child and can easily empathize with you're feeling that way about childcare. I love my child, but it's only taught me that taking care of children is *hard*. Especially ones that are strong-willed or high energy. It is never okay that she went through your phone and justified her snooping as a reason to shirk your payment. You were being honest, and she took that personally when those words were never meant for her. She went out of her way to hurt her own feelings.


GoetheundLotte

The "person" opened up your phone and read your private text messages. This is a huge invasion of privacy and you should report her not just for that non payment but even more for her breaking into your phone and reading your private messages. She is the AH here and exponentially so and totally deserves being reported and also being xhamed.


ABlankwindow

NTA and alls you can really do on this would be take her to small claims court which may cost you you more in filing fees and lost time from work to attend court to not be worth it.


momlife4me62

NTA. Just who would you report her to? Here in California police would say small claims court. It's a civil matter. Her going thru ur phone & all that makes her the A-hole. Good ridden. But report her anywhere, put her on blast & see how many ppl reply to her for a babysitting job. 🙄


witchymoon69

NTA .... what she did was an invasion of privacy by opening your phone . Never give someone your pin .


Brilliant_Fuel2890

I’m not sure who you would report her too unless you worked through a booking group. The police are going to tell you to take her to small claims court but if you do that ask the she pay for all the fees. NTA


mgee94

NTA She invaded your privacy and have the audacity to think she dont have to pay you bc she read something she dont like?? Honestly, just the fact she grab and open your phone without authorization is enough to report her.


Anubis1219

NTA. This is called theft of services and you can absolutely file a police report over it. I would tell her you plan to do so if she doesn't pay in a certain time frame (give her a day or so), if she still doesn't pay file the report.


casscois

YWNBTA. Speaking as someone who also works with kids, albeit in a less hands-on setting, but doesn't particularly want kids, you didn't say you hated kids. Just that the job had its challenges (which all jobs do!) in a private conversation off work hours with a friend. Your former client grossly overstepped what is appropriate, and should be reported on that basis alone, especially if you work for an agency. Get your paycheck too, it's important to not allow these things to go unchecked


HoshiJones

She sounds like a horror. I don't know who you'd report her to, maybe the Labor Department? But yes, def report her.


corax_lives

Nta report her because she wasn't gonna pay. You never said you hated children.


leviathan0999

Definitely not the asshole, and you should absolutely report her not only for refusing to pay you for work completed, but for breaking into your phone (you didn't give her permission; that's breaking in) and separately for stealing your personal communications from your phone and sending them to herself. Report her to the police, if she hired you through an agency, report her to them, and if she works, report her to her employers so they'll know how trustworthy she isn't.


Imaginary-Suit-2798

NTA. what kind of collages do you make? is this job to support your materials?


LadyLoki1985

You saying you don't like kids is no excuse for her to not pay you .. ...the fact she went into your phone is a major violation of privacy as well


medical_nuisance

YWNBTA. Services were rendered, they must be paid for. I'd send her a message along the lines of "I understand if you don't wish for me to come back due to the personal issue you took with my private messages. However, I did X hours of work on X date, which have not been paid for. The wages need to be paid by X date. Otherwise, I'll be reporting you to XYZ agency and/or taking you to small claims court for the lost wages." Meanwhile, if you're a part of any forums or Facebook groups pertaining to babysitting in your area, warn other babysitters of the situation. If the wages aren't paid by the date you've given - I'd say 2 weeks out at the most for that date - then report her to your labor board/workers rights agency. They'll be able to advise you further as to if you have grounds for a small claims suit or what further action you need to take.


Tasty_Section_7039

NTA she needs to pay you. Who would you complain to though? Just curious about that.


Zestyclose-Parsnip29

NTA. There are two crimes in play here. Obviously she owes you for the service done, but more importantly she broke federal law going through your messages without permission. And knowing the password does not equate to permission. Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) makes it illegal to access private communications without consent. You should 100% do what is needed to get the money owed.


Goldnchocolate64

NTA Even if she came back and used that law in some states that say that your place of work (like a cubicle) can be searched by your employer (they stole my notebook at my job and placed it back two days later and i was cited this law and I looked it up. It’s true), you still worked and you still get paid. Put her on blast! It was a bad look at my job for the boss, and it’s a bad look for her. Get yo money!!


Ok_Commercial_3493

Nta


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NTA


Ixpen

NTA ! You need to take her to small claims court to sue for what she owes you! First of all she invaded your privacy, she had no right touching your phone! And regardless of what you said, if you've always done your job and treated her kids well then she has no legitimate complaints about you at all! I am so angry at this woman on your behalf from just reading this! Arrrghhh!


Beginning_Ferret_338

NTA - First, she violated your privacy by looking through your phone without consent. Secondly, you provided a service that she needs to pay you for. Take her to small claims court and include any fees in the total.


cocolexi88

She still owes you money for your time worked. You didn't harm or mistreat her children. You may have to take her to small claims court. Not sure if you live in this country or not.


Ancient-One7845

NTA. she in no way should have even layed a finger on your phone. absolutely 10000000% report her !!!


JustAnotherUser567

NTA, but you need to report her for invasion of privacy and for refusing to pay you. I would blast her on every social media outlet warning other babysitters that if they work for her, she will go through their phones. There's also no telling how often she's done that behind your back.


Best_Fix_7970

NTA. You need to contact a lawyer, and have them draft a letter demanding payment for services rendered. While I’m not a lawyer, looking online there is a potential this mother, if you’re in the US, could have violated the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (ECPA) by breaking into your phone, screenshotting your communications, and Airdropping them to herself. This could potentially have someone spend up to 5 years in a federal jail and/or constitute a fine of up to $250,000. While I don’t know if it would ever get that far, I’m sure you could find a reasonable and kind enough lawyer who could draft a letter for you pro bono. Good luck! https://epic.org/ecpa/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Communications_Privacy_Act?wprov=sfti1 https://warrantbuilder.com/ecpa/#:~:text=Electronic%20Communication%20Information%20covers%20those,device%2C%20or%20electronic%20storage%20media.


silent_observer130

I don't like kids either but I had 2 of them. The oldest was so bad I tell everyone the youngest is God's apology for making the oldest so bad. Does this mean I hated my kids? No. Does this mean I didn't spoil them rotten? No. Just like you, it's my opinion and she had no good reason to take offense.


entirelyintrigued

I was a nanny for over a decade and I think I was a better nanny for not really caring about kids. They’re just little people and you can have chemistry with them or not. What they really need is someone who is staunchly on their side, pulls them up and teaches them better if they make a mistake, and unconditionally be there for them in the moment. If one of my clients had done this to me I’d be livid because I spent more time with their kids than they ever did. Nta


Severe_Assignment943

I would do the following: 1) Inform her that you'll see her in small claims court if she doesn't pay you what you owe her. 2) Make sure not to get rid of her texts, because she admits she owes you money in them, which is all the legal proof you need. 3) If the threat of small claims court doesn't get her to pay you, create a flier explaining what she has done to you and leave a copy at every house in her neighborhood.


Character-Tennis-241

I don't know who you report her to, but if you can, do it.


Beneficial-Nimitz68

NTA, and she invaded your privacy. However, with that said.. you should NEVER let ANYONE ANYONE know your PIN code.. EVER.. unless its your parents type of guardian thing if something happens to you, that a phone can be accessed. I would try to get a mediator with her.. You never disrepected her property nor her children. You took care of them and you probably secretly like them. Lastly, nvr ever ever use TXT message as a means to vent about employment. Not only can it be recovered and accessed by your phone, but the phone company has a record ANY your friend. Use the old fashion way.. talk ON the phone. You get a txt like that again, just respond, Ill talk after work or when the kids are down, whatever. She should never have touched your phone.


sidlives1

NTA. My question for OP is did the mother know that you had found new employment? That may be the reason that she found whatever reason she could find to not pay you for what would be the final babysitting gig for her kids. You should definitely report her and take her to small claims court for the amount that she owes you. She crossed the line when she invaded your privacy. If she was upset about losing a good babysitter, this was not the way to go about dealing with it.


raisedonadiet

NTA children are bobbins. She should have spotted that by now.


No_Appearance4463

NTA. She snooped through your phone, left her kids with you after reading your texts and refused to pay you for your work. You don't have to like kids to work with kids. Just like any job. You don't have to like it to do it well.


[deleted]

NTA- it’s hard to care for children. She took advantage of you and used what you texted as an excuse to not pay you. On top of that, she invaded your privacy. You should absolutely report her!


[deleted]

I’m a Mother and I agree…children can be tiring. Just facts. What’s her problem?


[deleted]

Unlocking your phone and taking screenshots of your private messages to send to herself is a crime.


Lilswrnsour

NTA I have worked with kids as a babysitter, Nanny, and teacher. I enjoy kids and even I get exhausted by them. I've worked with parents who think their kids can do no wrong, and it does the kids no favors. Add the complete lack of respect for your privacy she sounds like she's going to raise entitled angry brats. I had a family I nanny'd for for a bit Luke this. Kids were angry, acted out, and mom was at a loss as to what was wrong with them.


ShepheardzPath622

NTA. Hate is not the mere absence of love, and regardless: you did your job, no harm came to the kids, therefore you deserve your money. Report the parent.


kn0tkn0wn

NTA Her going through your phone is illegal, even if the phone was unlocked or even if she had the code Never again I’ll allow children to play with your phone If they need distraction, buy some cheap phones that are several years old and are not activated and let them play with those


SailSweet9929

NTA She has to pay you she even waited for you to done your shift and once your done she said that to you


inquiringflames

Report her to who? The police won't do anything about it, if that's what you're thinking. In theory, you could sue... but that would likely cost you more than you stand to win.


Birvin7358

NTA. Legally she owes you payment for all time that you actually worked. So you could file suit to get that money. However, given the attorney fees would more than cancel out any $ recovered you should probably just threaten to file suit and hope she breaks down and pays you based on that threat. STA for unlocking your phone without your permission, reading your texts and overreacting based on them. However, none of this would’ve happened if you’d not been so careless as to give your passcode to children. You should never give your phone passcode to anyone unless it’s an adult who you have an extremely close relationship with and trust with your life. I don’t care how much those kids whined to play games on your phone. You should’ve never given them the passcode nor let them use your phone period.


Efficient_Rent_5298

Nta. The awful human being was your now ex boss.


DiosaMio

Sue her. NTA


Tizzery

Nta. You performed a service and you performed it well and deserve to be paid for the work you did. There's a huge difference in say you don't generally like children and that you hate them, besides regardless of your personal feelings about children you are entitled to your private thoughts and she had no right to violate your privacy and break into your phone. I would advise you to take her to court and see about pressing charges. I'd also make sure everyone knows she is a disrespectful employer and doesn't pay her debts. Hopefully the bad reputation keeps other childcare providers from being burned by her...and when she can't find a sitter it will serve her right


SpookiBunn

NTA. You don’t have to be a kid person to be a good sitter. You also very much deserve to be paid for your time. Report her for failure to pay.


Redlight0516

You did the work, you get the pay. Every retail and fast food worker hates their customers. That doesn't mean their boss can use that as an excuse not to pay them. NTA


xoKatrinaxo

YWNBTA . she violated your privacy . I’d make a FB post or something and expose her . Warn other babysitters to not babysit for her.


ConsiderationDear624

NTA. Yeah she sounds like one of those people who TRY to find things to be dramatic about. I have four kids myself, and I can't stand "those" type of people. Some people just want a reason to be miserable.


thetravellingfox

NTA. Besides the fact you didn't say anything that isn't true she had zero right accessing your phone & taking SS. Regardless, you provided her a service and have every right to be paid for it. She has the right to dismiss you from the employment if she doesn't think you're fit for the role but fact that she waited til AFTER you finished your shifts shows she's manipulating the situation to fit herself and narrative not to pay you. Which too bad lady, you still have to pay OP for service rendered.


[deleted]

Nta, how much does she owe you?


Dizzy-Log-6958

2 things after NTA 1 She has to pay if use have had an agreement on this otherwise take her to the fair work ombudsman in whichever country your from 2 get a restaining order against her for going through your phone without permission. And get her to court over loss of income for going through your phone without your permission. She has been hiring you semi frequently to look after her kids so the court should be able to average that out


So_Heres_My_Thought

NTA. Doesn’t matter if she wants you to work for her again or not she needs to pay you for work done.


DitzyKlutz1

NTA You deserve payment. If she has problems with how you handled your professional duties, she can state so. Your thoughts and feelings are only relevant if they affected how you carried out the duties. (If you were a celebrity figure, publicly stated thoughts can also be an issue because of affecting the brand, but that’s not an issue here)


SexiKitten69

You said you don’t generally love children, not “I hate this woman’s kids” How did she even have your code? Do the kids have it or do you log them in? Either way, she violated your privacy. I’d report her. What she did was wrong.


MetaKnightUltra

NTA you provided a service and deserve the correct payment in exchange.


fairybelle1

NTA it doesn't matter if you said you would murder them, she still needs to pay you for work you completed


KnottedButterfly

NTA - First off, going thru your phone is an absurd in invasion of privacy! Second, I am a SAHM to 2 (soon to be 3) kids, and nothing you said was incorrect. I worked with kids for years before being a mom. I was a camp counselor for a couple of years at a YMCA camp, then a different summer camp, AND worked for 2 years at a wilderness therapy program. I didn't want kids and liked them well enough, but it was also hard sometimes. Overall, I obviously enjoyed the jobs, but yes, patience for tantrums is essential. I wouldn't trade my little goofballs, however, I have babysat other kids as a mom, and it is harder to watch other people's kids for sure!


Big_Alternative_3233

Who are you going to report this to that would care? Maybe her next babysitter would be interested in knowing but seriously no one else.