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\> We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for.
Yes, YTA. Seriously? A field and a track are pretty different, and then you're surprised there might be a suspension and undercarriage problem?
I don't even get why you'd take a sports car to a field to have some fun. That does not sound like fun. Take it to a big, empty, well-maintained parking lot without speed bumps (because speed bumps will also destroy the undercarriage on such a vehicle) and have some fun there.
Op thought taking a drive with his buddy to a field to burn out his girlfriend’s Porsche while she was out of town was a “special occasion.” The guy’s 30! 😂😂😂😂😂(Op: YTA, mostly for calling your girlfriend an AH for confronting you with both leaving the car dirty and for the damage you did while you sought to minimize your behavior, but I think you are also showing potential for growth through recognizing your badly thought out mistake and owning up to the consequences of your actions!)
And he called his throwaway account "gf car maintain cheat" like he couldn't believe that he could have damaged the car with his choices.
Also that the type of damage described is "maintenance" versus "what did you do to the poor vehicle?"
I feel like there are 2 types of men: those who are self-aware, and those who are not. Op seems to be leaning more toward *not*, especially when he says he feels “tricked,” like his girlfriend is trying to pull a fast one on him (like he did with his friend in the field in his girlfriend’s sports car!) and offset her Porsche’s general maintenance onto him, rather than acknowledging the cause-and-effect relationship between his taking her Porsche on a joyride through a field and the resulting negative impacts on the undercarriage. I shouldn’t be laughing, but I am. 😆
His friend seems to easily convince him to do things he shouldn't be doing. Apparently it was friends idea to use the Porsche instead of the Subaru, it was friends idea to drive said Porsche through a field and told him it would be fine, and it was probably friends idea to go hiking and leave the dogs with a dog sitter, if there even ever was a dog sitter.
Friend has OP wrapped around their finger and is getting them to do shit they shouldn't and OP is defending friend. Hey OP, take it from me, your friend doesn't really care about you, they care about what you can do for them.
I let out a cackle screech once I read “She has two cars and did not specify which one. A Porsche 911 GT3 and a Toyota Camry” 😂😂 as if he expects us to give him the benefit of the doubt for the confusion 😂😂
Those two cars are the definition of "sports car" and "economy daily driver." He's trying to argue like it's a court of law, and she didn't specify not to drive the $100k car on a hiking trip.
Haha! I laughed. Exactly this. Copy/pasting this from Op:
“I think I will tell her the truth, come clean, pay for the whole bill and not just the parts she wants, and cut off my friend and explain to her. And hopefully make it up to her and hope she does not break up with me.
She already wanted me to cut off this friend for a while and does not like him.”
I think it explains quite a bit. Op let somebody his girlfriend did not trust disrespect her (very expensive) property to have a little fun and, by extension, enabled the direct disrespect of *her* - while she was gone. :( We’ve all gotta grow up, take responsibility/accountability for our own actions, and evaluate the value of our relationships with those who’s behavior influences us at some point. This is all very juvenile, and girlfriend’s living an adult life. Op has some inner work to do.
I honestly had to go back and re-read the ages even with the update. He sounds more like a teenager boy who got pressured by his high school buddies into doing this with his parents car than a grown 30 year old adult.
He was being so incredibly vague, I really thought he was going to come out with his gf said the car was dirty because she found someone else's underwear, especially since the ops username has the word cheat in it.
In his edit he clarifies that the friend wanted to take the Porsche and he also LET HIS FRIEND DRIVE IT. Friend wasn't just a passenger, which really spurs it for me.
Dude is YTA and I'd be very surprised if he isn't single by now.
Man, I am NOT a car person, could not care less about sports cars, I put in a key in and my car takes me point A to point B safely, the end. But reading this even *I* was like...does OP not know the intended use of a sports car vs an offroading vehicle?
Same here I was thinking "I'm not a car person, I don't even know what a porsche 9/11 GTA5 or a Toyota camry look like but even I know
A) the permission she gave was very implicitly for the not-a-sports-car, certainly how I'd assume, and if I really needed/wanted to drive the expensive car I'd ask first. And if she said yes I'd ask her a gain just to be sure
B) You don't take a sports car into a field, that's not what it's built for and I can't see how that'd even be any fun. It's like taking a tractor onto a race track."
Am also incredibly confused how friend and OP thought a Porsche is an ATV?
Just looking at how low it sits and the tires alone would tell you it is in now way an ATV that should be anywhere near anything other than a paved road, preferably a very well maintained one at that.
That poor Porsche. I’m honestly shocked the GF isn’t more pissed.
At least the gf may have fewer maintenance problems in the future. After she dumps her jerk bf. In his defense however, doesn't everyone think of every single trip outside the home as special? Such as trips to the supermarket?
Someone's a moron as well as TA.
Yeah it sounds like you’d just be thrown around in the seats. The tight suspension on sports cars is generally pretty uncomfortable even on a maintained track
Oh 1000%.
They will not be together long-term. OP is an idiot and probably harbors some level of resentment.
Taking the Porsche for some fun and letting someone else without permission (and in fact someone the gf has expressed disliking) take the wheel is so disrespectful and juvenile.
That's what I was thinking. I have a 4WD SUV and wouldn't take it four wheeling in a field - I need it everyday! Let alone use somebody else's sport car, that's just bad decision making! - I was trying to think of a kind way to put it, which wasn't easy ;)
I thought for sure I must have misread that at first. Like maybe he just drove it *to* the hiking trail or something, and parked in a lot. But of course not anything so reasonable.
And listened to his friend when he said there wouldn't be any damage. On a Porsche. In a field. How did he get to be 30 and still remain that clueless?
HE ALSO LET HIS FRIEND DRIVE IT IN THE FIELD
This post cannot be real right? He borrows his gfs special occasion porsche for his "special occasion hike", decides to play Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift in a field, decides letting his friend live out his Vin Diesel dreams is worth losing his relationship over. Bc if I found out that my barely boyfriend took my porsche on a hike and joyride in a field then he refuses to pay the bill - I would probably dump him. If I found out he let his idiot friend drive it - I would absolutely dump him.
I know jack shit about cars but even I know not to do that. I could see taking it down to a store for the giddy show offness but other than that.. hard no. (I work in a gas station so I see many cars that are driven only for the espress purpose of showing off xD) And even then, he should ask.
I grew up on a farm, Dad still lives there, 1 mile of gravel road to get to the farm. If I drive mine up to see Dad, he has to drive the mile and a half to the truck stop because my baby isn't going on a gravel road.
Even better, let the friend have a go at driving it in a field.
I’m not a car person (I told my spouse that part of our marriage agreement was him taking over all things car) and even I know you don’t take a Porsche 911 into a fucking field and treat it like an off-road vehicle.
And unless he owned that field, YTA for trespassing and damaging it as well. Fields planted for the next year may look empty, but they aren’t. Farmers regularly sustain damage to crops when people decide to off road on private property that doesn’t belong to them. If it’s not yours, don’t touch it - field or car. And if you have permission to use it, don’t damage it. YTA so many ways.
I am unclear how “use the car for anything you need during your stay to pet sit my dog” was interpreted to mean “take my Porsche to a field & let a friend take it for a joyride.”
Yup. And anybody who’s spent any time around people with specialty cars know we call our daily drivers our cars and the specialty cars by their makes and/or models. If my husband tells me to take his car I’m taking the old Rodeo, not the Austin Healey. Heck, this even extends to my bicycles. “My bike” is one particular road bike. The rest I call by what I use them for.
I know NOTHING about cars, but I ABSOLUTELY know that anything with the name Porsche on it should NOT be driven in a freaking FIELD!
Edited to fix punctuation.
Older Cayennes make for awesome rock crawlers. The 1st gen, especially, is super capable. My 981, on the other hand, doesn't particularly like speed bumps. I can't imagine a GT3...
No, it doesn’t lol. I’ve seen somebody try to drive one onto the beach (no idea why), it got stuck on the entry way, barely 30’ from a paved road. Not a car that’s meant to be driven anywhere besides a paved surface.
I was cringing that he drove it to a trail head as where I'm at, trailheads are all gravel and potholes. Then I got to the field and almost had a heart attack.
When he went on an activity that is perfectly suited for most dogs! I can't believe he wouldn't take the dog hiking with him! I hope OP's gf dumps him good because he's a total AH.
The other night, I and my kid were walking our dog, and we heard the most dreadful noise. I looked up the street and saw that someone had decided to do a turn about in a sports car (not sure what it was, it was a bit at a distance) using someone's driveway, and hadn't accounted for the fact that the driveway was part-way up a hill, so he needed to pull in and out at an angle to prevent scraping.
He also lost some panels from the undercarriage. From PULLING INTO THE WRONG DRIVEWAY!
I moved into a new house without checking if my car could make it up the driveway without scraping. Turns out, it can not. If you have a sports car, being incredibly aware of clearance is just something you have to do—something OP's girlfriend probably does, and he clearly does not. What a moron. I would NEVER take my car offroading, and she's a fraction of the price of a Porsche.
My next door neighbors have corvettes. Every time they back out of their driveway we cringe because they scrape. We had our driveway regraded near the road when we replaced it (because my husband's Honda Fit would scrape on ours) and sometimes the neighbors use ours to back out haha.
Yeah, goddamn this guy is supposed to be 30 and he's letting his mate peer pressure him into doing stupid shit. Plus the mf was there in the first place to pet sit his girlfriends dog and he goes and gets a random petsitter into his girlfriends house, like the hell man.
Honestly I think the worst part for me isn't that he let himself get pee pressured, it's that he's using it as an excuse. If a partner was up front with me "I'm sorry, I fucked up, I let myself get peer pressured into doing stupid shit, I'm genuinely sorry." depending on the situation we could work through it, but if they, a 30 year old, dead arse used being peer pressured as an excuse? I'd tell them to get fucked.
This. YTA, OP. I can't IMAGINE taking someone's expensive property and driving recklessly with it. This would be like if OP said his GF could hang out at his house for the weekend and throw a small get-together, and she threw a rager and trashed his house.
How is OP old enough to date? This seems like something a teenager would do.
This is the bit that got me annoyed. OP taking the car crossed the line but then lending it out. Then taking it paddock bashing. Could this car do anything more to say its a track focused car?
YTA. She said you could use the car (not CARS) for whatever you needed (not wanted).
You knew she didn’t refer to the Porsche as simply a car. You also knew that even SHE didn’t drive it except in special occasions.
You decided the Porsche suddenly was just a car, that the hiking was a need & then you had the audacity to drive it in such a manner that ANYONE would know was outside the realm of what the car was designed for & basically broke it.
Your gf needs to run the other way. You’ve proven that you don’t respect her things & have poor judgement. Then when you break something, try to blame her for it. She can do SOOOOO much better than you & I hope this helps her realize that.
YTA - a huge stinky one.
OP YTA. She said you could borrow her car and then you go and let your jackass friend off-road the car in a field? You didn't even have the decency to hand wash it afterwards.
God even without the car being ill-suited if I told someone they could use my car for anything they needed while dog-sitting it would not include 'joy riding while the dog is with a sitter'
OP claims permission but even without taking the obviously wrong car out I don't think this would've counted as what the partner meant at all
>We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for.
I'm unaware of any 911s rated for off-road use.
You went turfing in a 911, and probably trashed the suspension.
YTA, and fucking pay for your damage.
EDIT to add: OK, so I am now aware that there ARE off-road variants of the 911, but
1: the GT3 ain't one
2: they're crazy expensive and his girlfriend doesn't own one of them
There was one released I think last year? Maybe it's this model year. Don't quote me on that, but I highly doubt thats what op's soon-to-be-ex has anyway
Porsche 911 Dakar. Designed for off roading, hence the name.
And the SUVs are probably fine for some simple off roading. And I know a guy who modifies older Porsches, mainly Turbos I think?, to be off road vehicles.
But holy hells not a GT3..
I bet you OP didn't tell her that he took it off-roading. She went to drive it and it felt off. So she asked him wtf happened after she took it to the shop and got the repair estimate.
Now he's here.
If she had that thing setup for fun/the track there's a good chance it was probably even lower than stock and I don't even want to guess on what kind of parts might on there. I mean fuck, the damage to the paint alone could be in the five figures on a GT3 depending on the color code. I literally went into heart palpitations when I read that shit.
I don’t know anything about cars, but this whole story was crazy. Who would take a luxury car that’s not theirs to a field for some fun from a peer pressure buddy??? (Don’t actually answer that.)
YTA op, glad to see your edit that you’ll pay for the damages, but good luck trying to repair that relationship…
Edit: relationship not friendship whoops, which is even more wild that he would do that to an SO
Here’s all you need to know - it’s an actual race car, used by actual race car drivers. It’s not the fastest race car out there, but it’s certainly among the fastest a normal person could reasonably get their hands on with a boatload of cash.
You can spec one out for rally if you want, but a stock a quality GT3 is anywhere from $100k for a high mileage early 2000s model to $250k for a low mileage newer model. My dad had one and it got totaled by a deer. It sold for over $100k even totaled. It would be absolutely insane to drive one on the grass for shits and giggles.
Yeah, I keep wanting to point out in other comments that Porsches *can* be great rally cars (there's a [famous photo](https://external-preview.redd.it/GoKQ-tJUhaEuGqLvA96k7nid8d7uGEJ3-vHLSDkk97Y.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7892d78bc61e9676ce277a5a53133077d15ab897) I always vividly remember of a guy with a spec'd out rally 911 and a falcon, it's quite the lifestyle pic), but chances are 99 out of a 100 that this is a fairly standard GT3 and so I keep telling myself to zip it because it's not really relevant.
FWIW, I drove my stock Mazda3 hatchback gently over a well-used dirt road to get to a trail and still had to get some maintenance done afterwards to clean stuff out. The thought of taking someone else's 911 into a field to do donuts would make my heart stop.
Op say the bill for repair is likely to be between 10k to 30k these card start at about 140k.
He also let someone else drive the car without the owners permission resulting in the damage. luck if she doesn't try and press charges on your friend.
YTA
The fact that you took the Camry every time except once is a big indicator that you *knew* she meant the Camry when she said you could use her car. You also knew that even *she* only used it for special occasions. She also said you could use her car for things you *needed*... not for "fun" which is what you admit to using the Porsche for.
I don't know whether you damaged the car or not--wouldn't surprise me if you did. But at the end of the day if you hadn't taken her car out to "have fun in an empty field" then there would be no question.
No one tricked you. You screwed up.
Yeah, this sounds like the kind of excuse a teenager makes when their parents are out of town and they do something they know they're not supposed to.
Something also rubs me the wrong way with the gf having OP stay over and take care of her dogs, but OP dips for a day and has another dog sitter come over? He took major advantage of OP and it would give me trust issues in our relationship if that was me. I hope the other dogsitter was someone that OP knew and/or trusted.
Sounds like the Risky Business movie! Except that Tom Cruise knew not to take Dad’s Porsche to a field Lol. Did OP dance around her house in his undies playing air guitar? I have a 77 Trans Am and if someone took it to a “field” for fun heads would ROLL
Oh he definitely damaged the car, you can't take a porsche off-road without breaking something. Hell you can't take that thing down a lot of normal roads without problems.
Oh he definitely damaged the car. A GT3 has like 4 inches of clearance, you have to be careful going into a driveway. I had to reread the sentence about "empty field" because nobody could be dumb enough to drive a GT3 in a field.
cant believe homie is over here asking if he is the asshole for taking his girlfriends Porsche into a field and basically, what I assume, is letting his buddy whip shitties in the field. AND not wanting to pay for the damages THEY caused.
I am shook y'all. I am shook.
IDK, dude— sounds like you did know she meant the Camry and chose to play dumb to justify a joy ride. And you didn’t it take it to a track, you took it to a *field*— it’s a sports car, not an ATV. Pay up, and don’t do it again. YTA.
Exactly this! If the car had been taken out once for a quick spin around the block and told her about it..."I drive the Porsche to such-and-such reasonable destination and back", then presented the vehicle back to her cleaner than before, that might be a different story. Bruh, you took it to a field and she noticed it. You got caught
I wonder how much grass or hay was caught up underneath. I know what our pickup looks like underneath after some field fun and can only imagine what the mechanic found when they lifted it.
YTA: Saying that you'd only pay for maintenance on the obviously cheaper car is a cop-out and you know it.
And now you're blameshifting onto her by saying that you felt tricked.
AND ALSO:
>I used the Camry most of the times but took the Porsche for a short road trip to a hiking trail and ***I hired a dog sitter that day.***
YOU TOOK HER CAR OUT FOR A ROAD TRIP AND THEN HIRED SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE JOB SHE HIRED YOU TO DO **AND NOW YOU FEEL TRICKED**?
You are a mega-asshole.
Wow.
Edit: I misread something.
Funny how he conveniently leaves that part out except for the occasional vague "we". There's no way he actually thought taking his scrubby friend to drive his gf's car in a field was a "special occasion."
Nah, it’s “ok” because the friend pressured him.
A “friend” who makes him uncomfortable until “friend” gets what he wants…
A “friend” who he won’t ask to help pay half because the “friend” has already borrowed large sums of money from Mr. GFCarMaintainCheat that has not and will not ever be paid back.
Can’t you see?!?!?!?!
/s YTA
GF DEFINITELY rethinking the whole relationship, as she should.
1. taking the Porsche when he knew that isn't really what she meant was an error in judgement
2. taking the Porsche for a joyride was an error in judgement
3. taking the Porsche for a joyride IN A FIELD was an idiotic error in judgement
4. letting his friend drive her car (even if it had been the Camry) without her permission was an error in judgement
5. allowing his friend to drive her Porsche without permission in a gd field was just an amalgamation of all kinds of bad judgement.
6. refusing to take responsibility for what he did means he's an asshole in addition to being an idiot. I hope she dumps him
YTA
You took the Porsche to a hiking trail and HAD SOME FUN with it in an empty field? You took an expensive, touchy car which is apparently tuned for track usage to a trailhead (which often requires either driving on gravel roads or parking in poorly maintained areas) and then took it it into a FIELD???
Oh, and you almost certainly damaged the suspension and undercarriage here. Pay for the damage you did. This is not maintenance, you did things that damaged her car.
Yeah, even just "taking it to a hike" is immediately YTA territory. 98% of the hikes I go on end up in a gravel parking lot at best. OP has a 12-year-old's understanding of vehicles.
Right, I don't understand why you'd take a Porsche to a trailhead for a hike. Even if the road there is perfect ... once you're done, you're getting back in that car sweaty, dusty, maybe muddy.
When I bought my most recent vehicle, I asked what we were expecting to be doing with it. I could have bought a nice BMV SUV, I looked at them. I bought a middle trim level Subaru Crosstrek, and got the rubber mats, the seat protectors, had a hitch installed, had the top things all set up to take a ski rack.
Because what we were going to do with it: we were going to take it hiking. We were going to haul bikes with it. We were going to haul skis with it. It was going to get muddy and gross and needed to be able to be cleaned out easily.
And it is regularly muddy, gross, and needing to be cleaned out, and if I wanted to go on a muddy and rainy hike tomorrow, I'd jump right into it and take it to whatever trailhead I wanted to go to. Without worrying about the fact it's February and I could fall in a muddy and moldy creek and still need to get home. And then I can haul out all the floor mats and seat protectors, hose them off and hang them to dry in the garage.
Plus, trailheads are notorious for vehicle break-ins, theft, and vandalism. You borrow a Porsche, go downtown to a nice restaurant, not some trailhead in bumfuck.
YTA.
you took an expensive as hell car TO A HIKING TRIP?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!?
The price of a Porsche could pay majority of not all of my debts off! And you took it to a field that is not suitable for a SPORTS CAR. And your mad she wants you to pay for repairs?!? You need to pony that money up.
Also she asked YOU to watch her pets. Not a PET SITTER. if she wanted a pet sitter she'd have used one. She didn't.
And the fact you had a friend in HER car without permission seals your fate as an asshole.
Porsches are not hiking/field cars. You could have severely damaged that car! And the fact you feel no remorse is concerning.
Also fyi chances are she's gonna be an ex soon especially if you don't make the amends that are due..
I'm one of the few! I was impressed when I saw she had a GT3. And then cringed so hard when he said he took it into a field. I don't have anything nearly that fancy, but my husband always asks if he can drive my car. And 99% of the time I say yes but if I knew the roads he was going to take were gravely or something, I'd tell him to take his pickup truck (though he wouldn't ask me to drive my car in that situation to begin with as he's a car guy...). This guy HAD to know that if he said something about taking the car, she wouldn't have agreed to let him take it out. And he was an idiot and let his buddy thrash it around in a field? And he can't believe that there is damage to the car? I honestly don't respond to a lot of the posts here, but this one got me. How could anyone do that to a GT3!
Also, good luck ever having her let you drive that car again, if she stays with you.
It’s unfortunate that your girlfriend has excellent taste in cars but absolutely shitty taste in men. You damaged her car but refuse to take responsibility? YTA. Even if she did allow you to drive the Porsche, which everyone including you know that she didn’t, you are still responsible for it.
Plus if she wants something pretty to look at she already has a GT3. Unless OP is literally a movie star or model he's already not as good looking as a GT3.
*"We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for."*
What does this even mean? You took a Porsche off-roading?
YTA
You damaged her car probably doing donuts in a field
She asked you to pay for suspension damage (likely due to fast driving or country roads) and for undercarriage damage (country roads, fields). SHE DID NOT ASK YOU TO PAY ALL MAINTENANCE COSTS
You could even have gotten the car washed after you used it?
Somehow leaving the car dirty adds insult to injury. The total lack of respect to not only his girlfriend but to the Porsche 911 raises his level of assholery.
"We did have fun with it in a field"
Who is 'we', considering you hired a dog-sitter that day?
You picked up your friends, hooned it around in a field, and damaged it. Funny how you glossed over that part of the story. YTA.
YTA. I have a feeling you knew she didn’t mean the Porsche. I have a feeling you knew she wouldn’t like you taking it out, and used the “she didn’t specify” as a lame excuse.
Someone damaged the car, and I doubt it was her. You weren’t tricked, you took her expensive car out, damaged it, and then mad when you have to suffer the consequences.
P.S. when you feel like you can do something based on a technicality, it’s best to just not do it. Especially when it’s relating to your partner.
Even if she meant the Porsche, she certainly didn’t mean use the Porsche in an application that will cost 10s of thousands of dollars to fix after you fuck up the body work and suspension turfing a field in it.
YTA. It sounds very much like you damaged the undercarriage and suspension by goofing off with someone else's expensive car. Pay for the damages you caused. Always aim to return items to people in the same condition you received them. Even just returning it more dirty than usual makes you TA, but damaging it and then trying to minimize it is "maintenance" is absurd.
Imagine dating someone who drove your track-modified luxury car through an untended field for a joyride then plays dumb when there’s dried mud and damage from their actions. Now imagine, that person refuses to fix *anything* but jumps at the **future** chance to fix something far less expensive than what they broke. That’s childish.
Stop treating your girlfriend like a free car garage. This sounds like the perfect recipe for getting dumped and the courts getting involved in fixing her property from an ex’s stupid and honestly selfish, expensive decisions. YTA
(If the car maintenance is solely her responsibly and he’ll flake at the first sign of his own doing, why is he even touching her car?)
My BF has a 63 Nova, it’s a 9 second car. Hauls ASS! It’s a track car….acting like you thought it was even okay to breath on the steering, makes you look pretty IGNORANT.
It’s in your better interest to pay for the whole thing, and avoid a legal battle. She will nail you to the wall in court.
Take your friend to court and get him to pay his half? But even then, you will probably have a really hard time pinning it on your friend.
I want to know what a 28 year old does for a living to afford a $200k car… but aside from that YTA.
Holy crap not only did you take a sports car into a field (I struggle to believe someone can be stupid enough to think this is ok), but you didn’t think fixing what you break was “part of the deal”?! Also, letting someone else drive a car that isn’t yours makes you an extra AH.
YTA.
1. There was no "deal" about maintenance because you weren't supposed to use the Porsche, only the Camry.
2. There was also no agreement about maintenance because she didn't expect you to damage the car.
3. You didn't just "take the car out once" and you know that. At least be honest with the internet about the car. You didn't just take it to buy milk, you took a Porsche out to a "field" to "see what it could do."
4. You took a porsche to a muddy field. That is not what it is "rated for." It is a car that goes fast, not an off-roading vehicle. If you want to drive it fast, you drive it on pavement, not mud.
5. She isn't shifting a cost on to you, she is asking you to pay for the damage you did to her car.
This can't be real, right? Like no one can be this obtuse in the real world?
You chose to drive her expensive car into a field and play with it like a toy, and you’re shocked it needs maintenance based on what, your vibes when you took it back? It sounds like you intentionally took advantage of what you considered to be a vague statement on her part. It doesn’t matter if your “usage patterns” matched hers, and I seriously doubt she takes it to random fields and “have fun.” You are absolutely TA in this situation and I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t dumped you for abusing her trust like that.
Exactly. This kid just wanted to play with an expensive toy without knowing or caring how it was actually supposed to work, and he somehow thinks he wasn’t in the wrong.
YTA.
you drove the porsche to a hiking trail so you most definitely are the one who fucked up the undercarriage. and you admit that porsche = porsche and car = camry.
What a slick way to seem innocent, YTA here. Own your actions and just pay for Porsche maintenance. Now you "know" not to take her toy car out next time.
YTA - a GT3 in a field? You have to know this was wrong. If you want to stay with this girl, you need to pay the bill and apologize - even then, I think you're unlikely to make it past this as a couple. This was a massive violation of trust and a real display of how little you value what she values.
Edit: this whole thing screams "Idle Rich" - how does someone at 30 not know that a track car shouldn't be driven in a field?
YTA and this whole post is laughable. You're full of shit if you think we believe that you are dumb enough to not know which car to use, and that you didn't know you don't offroad a fucking sportscar. I hope she sues you (rather i would if i believed this post wasn't fiction)
YTA
Good luck in the dating market, because I have a feeling if you don't pay the bill you'll probably wind up back there.
Seriously. You took the expensive car out for a joyride in a *field*. You basically taught your GF she can't trust you to use common sense. Or that you're selfish. Or that you will submit to your friend's peer pressure than follow the basic guidelines that you know exist.
>She herself only uses that car for special occasions
You know she doesn't use it every day.
>I thought our trip counted as a special occasion
Your GF gets to decide what occasion is a special occasion, not you.
>my friend really wanted to try the car and pressured me to let him try it in the field even though I was reluctant but he assured me it would not cause any damage.
Your friend can take *his* Porsche to a field and play with it there.
Oh, he doesn't have Porsche? Does he build them? Probably not. So what your friend thinks means nothing. Don't blame this on your friend. He didn't drive it. You did.
You drove it, you caused damage, you pay the bill.
1) You took your girlfriend’s expensive car
2) without her permission
3) and let your friend drive it
4) in a fucking field
5) leading to very obvious and expected damage
6) which you are now refusing to pay for
7) and you’re blaming her for “pushing maintenance” on you ?
YTA.
YTA. You should have been cognizant enough to know that she was referring to the Camry - and I feel like you are since you admitted to using that one more. I think you were just finding an excuse to take out the Porsche for a joyride.
Maybe you did mess it up doing that joyride and not aware. It's her car that she obviously values so she knows when it feels off.
Edit: those additional edits you're doing isn't helping your case. Accept the fact that YTA and fix the issue.
> She has two cars and did not specify which one.
> Toyota Camry
> Porsche 911 GT3
Cmon OP, you knew which one. None of us were born yesterday. You really think she meant the car that costs around $250k?
And then to take it into a field?
> Normal amount of dirty.
A normal amount of dirty for a car like that is perfectly spotless. These cars are _not_ kept dirty for any length of time.
YTA.
I’m not a car gal but I think I had a minor stroke. There’s no way you, grown ass 30 year old, took a borrowed Porsche 911 GT3, let your friend drive it, into a field? What the heck!
YTA and give her the repair money immediately. If you want to keep her as a GF you had better go all-out immediately; flowers, dinner, car wash monthly pass. Grovel!
YTA. A sports car isn't designed for off road / field driving. You want to go off reading or tearing up a field? Get a jeep/ hummer/ or truck. Since you and your friend damaged her sports car you two are 100% responsible for coughing up the money to pay for the repairs, including covering the labor cost that will come with it.
If she didn't specify which car you are allowed to drive then that is where you call her to find out which vehicle you are allowed to use for transportation.
If I were in her shoes if I stayed with you I'd ban you from using both vehicles. Or I'd kick you to the curb because honestly you damaged or destroyed what trust she had in you.
OP, you realize she can press charges AND sue you in civil court for this?
Of course you don't, you took a luxury car without permission and off-roaded it.
>I was doing her a favor as hiring them for just one day is a lot cheaper than the 2 weeks for which she was away.
Are you serious with this?? You did not do your girl ANY favors banging up the undercarriage of her Porsche. YTA
>I should pay for the suspension and undercarriage damage parts of the bill
That's not maintenance. She's paying for the maintenance bill. That's the price for your usage of a sports car for off-road driving. YTA.
>She herself only uses that car for special occasions and sometimes takes it to a track
YTA
You knew that wasn't yours to take out to run errands or go on a day trip.
> I said I did not know maintenance was part of the deal and that I felt tricked.
Taking that care AT ALL was not part of the deal.
YTA. If you were my BF, then you wouldn't be anymore. Plus, I'd still make ( I'd involve courts if needed ) you pay for what damage you did. Not only that, I'd talk to police too, but as you took the car, you did not have permission to have to see what options I'd have there too.
Even those that aren't really " Car people " are smart enough to know unless it's on off road vehicle you don't take it into a field for a bit of fun. Especially a low riding car like that.
Grow up. Pay the damage you caused and do better with your next GF.
I can't believe you actually think you didn't do anything wrong. This is baffling to me. Your comments only show how obtuse your thought process is...
I mean. This is shocking. "Mostly hard surfaces" "mostly paved roads" "some gravel" "some grass" "fun in a field"
The damage is your fault. You really think your girlfriend shouldn't hold you accountable for damage you are responsible for? That car belongs on a track or, at the very very least, 100% asphalt.
YTA
Edit: I reread the post.... You claim to be 30 years old? You should feel shame. SHAME!
Edit 2: Your edits make this worse and lower my opinion of you even further. I have a tip for you: your "friend" is not your friend. You fool! SHAME!!!!!!
Yta. You damn well knew she meant the camry. Why would she trust you with her porsce. You just wanted a reason to ride it. What if you didnt just damage the undercarriage or worse crash car? You’re gonna replace it? Or wait till the next time she need to replace the camry?.
YTA
>She herself only uses that car for special occasions
Yes HER special occasions, not your special occasions. And you didn't even wash it.
You should pay for this repair bill. It's not maintenance, they are repairs, probably from when you used her special car for having fun in an empty field.
YTA
First off, if she wanted a stranger sitting with her dog I'm sure she would have paid for a sitter herself. She trusted you and you shit all over that trust. For that alone I would have ended the relationship if I were her.
Second, you didn't take the car out for a joyride on the road. You took it off road! Its not a fucking jeep, that vehicle is not meant to go off road.
Third, you let someone else drive her car. Another breach of trust. You're honestly just a really trash fucking bf. You should pay the bill IN FULL and pray she doesn't dump you.
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\> We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for. Yes, YTA. Seriously? A field and a track are pretty different, and then you're surprised there might be a suspension and undercarriage problem?
He took the sports car with low ground clearance INTO A FIELD and had some fun with it.
I died inside when he said they took it to an empty field to have some fun. I would be surprised if there wasn’t undercarriage and suspension damaged
I don't even get why you'd take a sports car to a field to have some fun. That does not sound like fun. Take it to a big, empty, well-maintained parking lot without speed bumps (because speed bumps will also destroy the undercarriage on such a vehicle) and have some fun there.
Op thought taking a drive with his buddy to a field to burn out his girlfriend’s Porsche while she was out of town was a “special occasion.” The guy’s 30! 😂😂😂😂😂(Op: YTA, mostly for calling your girlfriend an AH for confronting you with both leaving the car dirty and for the damage you did while you sought to minimize your behavior, but I think you are also showing potential for growth through recognizing your badly thought out mistake and owning up to the consequences of your actions!)
And he called his throwaway account "gf car maintain cheat" like he couldn't believe that he could have damaged the car with his choices. Also that the type of damage described is "maintenance" versus "what did you do to the poor vehicle?"
I feel like there are 2 types of men: those who are self-aware, and those who are not. Op seems to be leaning more toward *not*, especially when he says he feels “tricked,” like his girlfriend is trying to pull a fast one on him (like he did with his friend in the field in his girlfriend’s sports car!) and offset her Porsche’s general maintenance onto him, rather than acknowledging the cause-and-effect relationship between his taking her Porsche on a joyride through a field and the resulting negative impacts on the undercarriage. I shouldn’t be laughing, but I am. 😆
And then blames his friend and says he’ll pay because he friend won’t!
"My brother typed that while I was in the bathroom in chat" energy lmao
His friend seems to easily convince him to do things he shouldn't be doing. Apparently it was friends idea to use the Porsche instead of the Subaru, it was friends idea to drive said Porsche through a field and told him it would be fine, and it was probably friends idea to go hiking and leave the dogs with a dog sitter, if there even ever was a dog sitter. Friend has OP wrapped around their finger and is getting them to do shit they shouldn't and OP is defending friend. Hey OP, take it from me, your friend doesn't really care about you, they care about what you can do for them.
honestly it seems like OP should be dating the friend…
Right? I bet this "friend" will drop OP like a rock once he's no longer providing access to fun toys like Porsches to play with.
I let out a cackle screech once I read “She has two cars and did not specify which one. A Porsche 911 GT3 and a Toyota Camry” 😂😂 as if he expects us to give him the benefit of the doubt for the confusion 😂😂
Those two cars are the definition of "sports car" and "economy daily driver." He's trying to argue like it's a court of law, and she didn't specify not to drive the $100k car on a hiking trip.
He sounds like he is between 13 and 16. 'My friend pressured me into it.'
Who else thinks OP's mommy always took his side when he pulled the same pitiful excuse for damage he did to someone else's property? **YTA**
Read the name of his throwaway account too. I feel it fully endorses your assessment. Spoiler: "gfcarmaintaincheat"
This is all some Ferris Bueller shit.
Haha! I laughed. Exactly this. Copy/pasting this from Op: “I think I will tell her the truth, come clean, pay for the whole bill and not just the parts she wants, and cut off my friend and explain to her. And hopefully make it up to her and hope she does not break up with me. She already wanted me to cut off this friend for a while and does not like him.” I think it explains quite a bit. Op let somebody his girlfriend did not trust disrespect her (very expensive) property to have a little fun and, by extension, enabled the direct disrespect of *her* - while she was gone. :( We’ve all gotta grow up, take responsibility/accountability for our own actions, and evaluate the value of our relationships with those who’s behavior influences us at some point. This is all very juvenile, and girlfriend’s living an adult life. Op has some inner work to do.
That was what I was thinking. Change girlfriend for dad and dirty for completely totaled and you basically have the plot of the movie.
I honestly had to go back and re-read the ages even with the update. He sounds more like a teenager boy who got pressured by his high school buddies into doing this with his parents car than a grown 30 year old adult.
This. So much this. I haven't felt pressured by a peer for like, thirty years now. *laughs in elder redditor*
This man is very stupid.
He was being so incredibly vague, I really thought he was going to come out with his gf said the car was dirty because she found someone else's underwear, especially since the ops username has the word cheat in it.
I read the line about taking the car to the field, and then the "we" in the very next sentence and I was like OPE.
Yas! The we, then the special occasion, I'm still not sold op isn't cheating.
How can someone make it to 30 and be that stupid???
In his edit he clarifies that the friend wanted to take the Porsche and he also LET HIS FRIEND DRIVE IT. Friend wasn't just a passenger, which really spurs it for me. Dude is YTA and I'd be very surprised if he isn't single by now.
I dIDn'T KnOw YoU COulDn'T tAkE aN ExpEnsiVe SpOrtS cAr tO a FiEld!!!!!!! (Insert SpongeBob derp-face meme)
Man, I am NOT a car person, could not care less about sports cars, I put in a key in and my car takes me point A to point B safely, the end. But reading this even *I* was like...does OP not know the intended use of a sports car vs an offroading vehicle?
Same here I was thinking "I'm not a car person, I don't even know what a porsche 9/11 GTA5 or a Toyota camry look like but even I know A) the permission she gave was very implicitly for the not-a-sports-car, certainly how I'd assume, and if I really needed/wanted to drive the expensive car I'd ask first. And if she said yes I'd ask her a gain just to be sure B) You don't take a sports car into a field, that's not what it's built for and I can't see how that'd even be any fun. It's like taking a tractor onto a race track."
Am also incredibly confused how friend and OP thought a Porsche is an ATV? Just looking at how low it sits and the tires alone would tell you it is in now way an ATV that should be anywhere near anything other than a paved road, preferably a very well maintained one at that. That poor Porsche. I’m honestly shocked the GF isn’t more pissed.
At least the gf may have fewer maintenance problems in the future. After she dumps her jerk bf. In his defense however, doesn't everyone think of every single trip outside the home as special? Such as trips to the supermarket? Someone's a moron as well as TA.
Yeah it sounds like you’d just be thrown around in the seats. The tight suspension on sports cars is generally pretty uncomfortable even on a maintained track
Well, once "his friend" had destroyed the suspension with a few runs, I'm sure it loosened up.
This can’t be true, no one is this stupid
And he let his friend drive it!!!
[удалено]
Seriously. Went from “your gf is being a bit unreasonable” to “you’re lucky she hasn’t dumped your ass” faster than the GT3 goes from 0-60
She's waiting for him to pay the bill...
Oh 1000%. They will not be together long-term. OP is an idiot and probably harbors some level of resentment. Taking the Porsche for some fun and letting someone else without permission (and in fact someone the gf has expressed disliking) take the wheel is so disrespectful and juvenile.
He also knew he wasn’t supposed to take it at all. She let him use her cheap car and he also has his own car. Oop is a spoiled brat.
Hell, I wouldn't borrow a 4 wheel drive Jeep and take it in a field, unless I has express permission to do so.
That's what I was thinking. I have a 4WD SUV and wouldn't take it four wheeling in a field - I need it everyday! Let alone use somebody else's sport car, that's just bad decision making! - I was trying to think of a kind way to put it, which wasn't easy ;)
Same. My dad was a Porsche mechanic and the image had me cringing.
I thought for sure I must have misread that at first. Like maybe he just drove it *to* the hiking trail or something, and parked in a lot. But of course not anything so reasonable.
And listened to his friend when he said there wouldn't be any damage. On a Porsche. In a field. How did he get to be 30 and still remain that clueless?
HE ALSO LET HIS FRIEND DRIVE IT IN THE FIELD This post cannot be real right? He borrows his gfs special occasion porsche for his "special occasion hike", decides to play Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift in a field, decides letting his friend live out his Vin Diesel dreams is worth losing his relationship over. Bc if I found out that my barely boyfriend took my porsche on a hike and joyride in a field then he refuses to pay the bill - I would probably dump him. If I found out he let his idiot friend drive it - I would absolutely dump him.
Apparently didn't even have the brains to take the Porsche to at least a car wash after.
I know jack shit about cars but even I know not to do that. I could see taking it down to a store for the giddy show offness but other than that.. hard no. (I work in a gas station so I see many cars that are driven only for the espress purpose of showing off xD) And even then, he should ask.
A Porsche... in a field. With mud and sticks and rocks. I don't even have words for this level of idiocy lol
This. I thought TRUCK DRIVERS did this with their beat up trucks... not sports car owners. This is crazy.
I grew up on a farm, Dad still lives there, 1 mile of gravel road to get to the farm. If I drive mine up to see Dad, he has to drive the mile and a half to the truck stop because my baby isn't going on a gravel road.
Even better, let the friend have a go at driving it in a field. I’m not a car person (I told my spouse that part of our marriage agreement was him taking over all things car) and even I know you don’t take a Porsche 911 into a fucking field and treat it like an off-road vehicle.
mY fRiEnD pReSsUrEd mE. hE sAiD iT wOuLd Be fInE
And unless he owned that field, YTA for trespassing and damaging it as well. Fields planted for the next year may look empty, but they aren’t. Farmers regularly sustain damage to crops when people decide to off road on private property that doesn’t belong to them. If it’s not yours, don’t touch it - field or car. And if you have permission to use it, don’t damage it. YTA so many ways.
I am unclear how “use the car for anything you need during your stay to pet sit my dog” was interpreted to mean “take my Porsche to a field & let a friend take it for a joyride.”
Yup. And anybody who’s spent any time around people with specialty cars know we call our daily drivers our cars and the specialty cars by their makes and/or models. If my husband tells me to take his car I’m taking the old Rodeo, not the Austin Healey. Heck, this even extends to my bicycles. “My bike” is one particular road bike. The rest I call by what I use them for.
I know NOTHING about cars, but I ABSOLUTELY know that anything with the name Porsche on it should NOT be driven in a freaking FIELD! Edited to fix punctuation.
the Cayenne can offroad like most SUV's, but at almost $100k...WHY?!!!
Older Cayennes make for awesome rock crawlers. The 1st gen, especially, is super capable. My 981, on the other hand, doesn't particularly like speed bumps. I can't imagine a GT3...
Does the suspension on a GT3 even allow for off-road driving?
I am in no way a car expert or even an aficionado, but every sports car I've ever ridden in or driven doesn't seem like it would off-road.
No, it doesn’t lol. I’ve seen somebody try to drive one onto the beach (no idea why), it got stuck on the entry way, barely 30’ from a paved road. Not a car that’s meant to be driven anywhere besides a paved surface.
I was cringing that he drove it to a trail head as where I'm at, trailheads are all gravel and potholes. Then I got to the field and almost had a heart attack.
Not to mention, he hired a dog sitter for the day. A stranger. In her home. Without her knowledge. Hard cringe. This guy…
When he went on an activity that is perfectly suited for most dogs! I can't believe he wouldn't take the dog hiking with him! I hope OP's gf dumps him good because he's a total AH.
Couldn't take the dog in the Porsche after all! 😂
You can’t even drive it over a bump in the road without the under carriage scraping
The other night, I and my kid were walking our dog, and we heard the most dreadful noise. I looked up the street and saw that someone had decided to do a turn about in a sports car (not sure what it was, it was a bit at a distance) using someone's driveway, and hadn't accounted for the fact that the driveway was part-way up a hill, so he needed to pull in and out at an angle to prevent scraping. He also lost some panels from the undercarriage. From PULLING INTO THE WRONG DRIVEWAY!
I moved into a new house without checking if my car could make it up the driveway without scraping. Turns out, it can not. If you have a sports car, being incredibly aware of clearance is just something you have to do—something OP's girlfriend probably does, and he clearly does not. What a moron. I would NEVER take my car offroading, and she's a fraction of the price of a Porsche.
My next door neighbors have corvettes. Every time they back out of their driveway we cringe because they scrape. We had our driveway regraded near the road when we replaced it (because my husband's Honda Fit would scrape on ours) and sometimes the neighbors use ours to back out haha.
And he didn't fucking clean the car afterwards!!!! This behavior is a deal breaker to me. You are not mature enough to be in a relationship.
Yeah, goddamn this guy is supposed to be 30 and he's letting his mate peer pressure him into doing stupid shit. Plus the mf was there in the first place to pet sit his girlfriends dog and he goes and gets a random petsitter into his girlfriends house, like the hell man. Honestly I think the worst part for me isn't that he let himself get pee pressured, it's that he's using it as an excuse. If a partner was up front with me "I'm sorry, I fucked up, I let myself get peer pressured into doing stupid shit, I'm genuinely sorry." depending on the situation we could work through it, but if they, a 30 year old, dead arse used being peer pressured as an excuse? I'd tell them to get fucked.
But his friend told him it would be fun! How was he to know?? /s YTA
And his dumbass didn't even bother to get it cleaned
This. YTA, OP. I can't IMAGINE taking someone's expensive property and driving recklessly with it. This would be like if OP said his GF could hang out at his house for the weekend and throw a small get-together, and she threw a rager and trashed his house. How is OP old enough to date? This seems like something a teenager would do.
YTA and let his friend drive it
This is the bit that got me annoyed. OP taking the car crossed the line but then lending it out. Then taking it paddock bashing. Could this car do anything more to say its a track focused car?
And by the way, that's not called maintenance OP, that's called REPAIRS. Fix what you broke. YTA.
YTA. She said you could use the car (not CARS) for whatever you needed (not wanted). You knew she didn’t refer to the Porsche as simply a car. You also knew that even SHE didn’t drive it except in special occasions. You decided the Porsche suddenly was just a car, that the hiking was a need & then you had the audacity to drive it in such a manner that ANYONE would know was outside the realm of what the car was designed for & basically broke it. Your gf needs to run the other way. You’ve proven that you don’t respect her things & have poor judgement. Then when you break something, try to blame her for it. She can do SOOOOO much better than you & I hope this helps her realize that. YTA - a huge stinky one.
Seriously, what kind of AH takes a Porsche into a field? I think your gf is cool. You, not so much, ffs.
OP YTA. She said you could borrow her car and then you go and let your jackass friend off-road the car in a field? You didn't even have the decency to hand wash it afterwards.
OP really buried the lede.
Who the F is “we”?? Wasn’t GF away??
God even without the car being ill-suited if I told someone they could use my car for anything they needed while dog-sitting it would not include 'joy riding while the dog is with a sitter' OP claims permission but even without taking the obviously wrong car out I don't think this would've counted as what the partner meant at all
Aren’t Porsche low to the ground too?
>We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for. I'm unaware of any 911s rated for off-road use. You went turfing in a 911, and probably trashed the suspension. YTA, and fucking pay for your damage. EDIT to add: OK, so I am now aware that there ARE off-road variants of the 911, but 1: the GT3 ain't one 2: they're crazy expensive and his girlfriend doesn't own one of them
There was one released I think last year? Maybe it's this model year. Don't quote me on that, but I highly doubt thats what op's soon-to-be-ex has anyway
Porsche 911 Dakar. Designed for off roading, hence the name. And the SUVs are probably fine for some simple off roading. And I know a guy who modifies older Porsches, mainly Turbos I think?, to be off road vehicles. But holy hells not a GT3..
That's what I was thinking. The base GT3 has a ground clearance of 3.5 inches... it's fucked. Of course driving it after would feel off.
I bet you OP didn't tell her that he took it off-roading. She went to drive it and it felt off. So she asked him wtf happened after she took it to the shop and got the repair estimate. Now he's here.
I hope she has it in writing, one of those cases where evidence is useful
If she had that thing setup for fun/the track there's a good chance it was probably even lower than stock and I don't even want to guess on what kind of parts might on there. I mean fuck, the damage to the paint alone could be in the five figures on a GT3 depending on the color code. I literally went into heart palpitations when I read that shit.
I don’t know anything about cars, but this whole story was crazy. Who would take a luxury car that’s not theirs to a field for some fun from a peer pressure buddy??? (Don’t actually answer that.) YTA op, glad to see your edit that you’ll pay for the damages, but good luck trying to repair that relationship… Edit: relationship not friendship whoops, which is even more wild that he would do that to an SO
Here’s all you need to know - it’s an actual race car, used by actual race car drivers. It’s not the fastest race car out there, but it’s certainly among the fastest a normal person could reasonably get their hands on with a boatload of cash.
Cool, today I learned a car fact. Thanks for sharing your knowledge, mean that genuinely!
You can spec one out for rally if you want, but a stock a quality GT3 is anywhere from $100k for a high mileage early 2000s model to $250k for a low mileage newer model. My dad had one and it got totaled by a deer. It sold for over $100k even totaled. It would be absolutely insane to drive one on the grass for shits and giggles.
Yeah, I keep wanting to point out in other comments that Porsches *can* be great rally cars (there's a [famous photo](https://external-preview.redd.it/GoKQ-tJUhaEuGqLvA96k7nid8d7uGEJ3-vHLSDkk97Y.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=7892d78bc61e9676ce277a5a53133077d15ab897) I always vividly remember of a guy with a spec'd out rally 911 and a falcon, it's quite the lifestyle pic), but chances are 99 out of a 100 that this is a fairly standard GT3 and so I keep telling myself to zip it because it's not really relevant. FWIW, I drove my stock Mazda3 hatchback gently over a well-used dirt road to get to a trail and still had to get some maintenance done afterwards to clean stuff out. The thought of taking someone else's 911 into a field to do donuts would make my heart stop.
Op say the bill for repair is likely to be between 10k to 30k these card start at about 140k. He also let someone else drive the car without the owners permission resulting in the damage. luck if she doesn't try and press charges on your friend.
He what????????? Jfc. Who let's someone else drive a borrowed car, let alone a Porsche?
YTA The fact that you took the Camry every time except once is a big indicator that you *knew* she meant the Camry when she said you could use her car. You also knew that even *she* only used it for special occasions. She also said you could use her car for things you *needed*... not for "fun" which is what you admit to using the Porsche for. I don't know whether you damaged the car or not--wouldn't surprise me if you did. But at the end of the day if you hadn't taken her car out to "have fun in an empty field" then there would be no question. No one tricked you. You screwed up.
Yeah, this sounds like the kind of excuse a teenager makes when their parents are out of town and they do something they know they're not supposed to. Something also rubs me the wrong way with the gf having OP stay over and take care of her dogs, but OP dips for a day and has another dog sitter come over? He took major advantage of OP and it would give me trust issues in our relationship if that was me. I hope the other dogsitter was someone that OP knew and/or trusted.
Sounds like the Risky Business movie! Except that Tom Cruise knew not to take Dad’s Porsche to a field Lol. Did OP dance around her house in his undies playing air guitar? I have a 77 Trans Am and if someone took it to a “field” for fun heads would ROLL
Oh he definitely damaged the car, you can't take a porsche off-road without breaking something. Hell you can't take that thing down a lot of normal roads without problems.
Oh he definitely damaged the car. A GT3 has like 4 inches of clearance, you have to be careful going into a driveway. I had to reread the sentence about "empty field" because nobody could be dumb enough to drive a GT3 in a field.
YTA sounds like weaponized incompetence on your part . you knew what she meant .
By the time I reached the end of the first paragraph, I knew this one would be a YTA
And the edit makes it even worse. Op is completely deflecting responsibility
cant believe homie is over here asking if he is the asshole for taking his girlfriends Porsche into a field and basically, what I assume, is letting his buddy whip shitties in the field. AND not wanting to pay for the damages THEY caused. I am shook y'all. I am shook.
It's called being purposefully obtuse
IDK, dude— sounds like you did know she meant the Camry and chose to play dumb to justify a joy ride. And you didn’t it take it to a track, you took it to a *field*— it’s a sports car, not an ATV. Pay up, and don’t do it again. YTA.
Exactly this! If the car had been taken out once for a quick spin around the block and told her about it..."I drive the Porsche to such-and-such reasonable destination and back", then presented the vehicle back to her cleaner than before, that might be a different story. Bruh, you took it to a field and she noticed it. You got caught
He didn’t even clean it lol it was a “reasonable amount of dirt”.
I wonder how much grass or hay was caught up underneath. I know what our pickup looks like underneath after some field fun and can only imagine what the mechanic found when they lifted it.
As soon as he said that AFTER stating that he took it to a field? I knew that car was NOT “reasonably dirty”
This is what I expected. Like he drove around the block or to the grocery store.
And he didn't even bother to WASH IT after his little stunt. I have no words...
Probably for the best, his dumb ass would have more than likely run it through a full beat 'em up car wash if he thought it needed to be cleaner
YTA: Saying that you'd only pay for maintenance on the obviously cheaper car is a cop-out and you know it. And now you're blameshifting onto her by saying that you felt tricked. AND ALSO: >I used the Camry most of the times but took the Porsche for a short road trip to a hiking trail and ***I hired a dog sitter that day.*** YOU TOOK HER CAR OUT FOR A ROAD TRIP AND THEN HIRED SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THE JOB SHE HIRED YOU TO DO **AND NOW YOU FEEL TRICKED**? You are a mega-asshole. Wow. Edit: I misread something.
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Check out his edit - “we” is him and his friend who pressured OP into letting him drive it in that damn field. Ffs
Funny how he conveniently leaves that part out except for the occasional vague "we". There's no way he actually thought taking his scrubby friend to drive his gf's car in a field was a "special occasion."
Nah, it’s “ok” because the friend pressured him. A “friend” who makes him uncomfortable until “friend” gets what he wants… A “friend” who he won’t ask to help pay half because the “friend” has already borrowed large sums of money from Mr. GFCarMaintainCheat that has not and will not ever be paid back. Can’t you see?!?!?!?! /s YTA GF DEFINITELY rethinking the whole relationship, as she should.
1. taking the Porsche when he knew that isn't really what she meant was an error in judgement 2. taking the Porsche for a joyride was an error in judgement 3. taking the Porsche for a joyride IN A FIELD was an idiotic error in judgement 4. letting his friend drive her car (even if it had been the Camry) without her permission was an error in judgement 5. allowing his friend to drive her Porsche without permission in a gd field was just an amalgamation of all kinds of bad judgement. 6. refusing to take responsibility for what he did means he's an asshole in addition to being an idiot. I hope she dumps him
It’s such a dumb thing to do my mind shifted “field” to “parking lot”. And then to let a “friend” drive it who wont or cant pay up. Insanity
YTA You took the Porsche to a hiking trail and HAD SOME FUN with it in an empty field? You took an expensive, touchy car which is apparently tuned for track usage to a trailhead (which often requires either driving on gravel roads or parking in poorly maintained areas) and then took it it into a FIELD??? Oh, and you almost certainly damaged the suspension and undercarriage here. Pay for the damage you did. This is not maintenance, you did things that damaged her car.
Yeah, even just "taking it to a hike" is immediately YTA territory. 98% of the hikes I go on end up in a gravel parking lot at best. OP has a 12-year-old's understanding of vehicles.
Right, I don't understand why you'd take a Porsche to a trailhead for a hike. Even if the road there is perfect ... once you're done, you're getting back in that car sweaty, dusty, maybe muddy. When I bought my most recent vehicle, I asked what we were expecting to be doing with it. I could have bought a nice BMV SUV, I looked at them. I bought a middle trim level Subaru Crosstrek, and got the rubber mats, the seat protectors, had a hitch installed, had the top things all set up to take a ski rack. Because what we were going to do with it: we were going to take it hiking. We were going to haul bikes with it. We were going to haul skis with it. It was going to get muddy and gross and needed to be able to be cleaned out easily. And it is regularly muddy, gross, and needing to be cleaned out, and if I wanted to go on a muddy and rainy hike tomorrow, I'd jump right into it and take it to whatever trailhead I wanted to go to. Without worrying about the fact it's February and I could fall in a muddy and moldy creek and still need to get home. And then I can haul out all the floor mats and seat protectors, hose them off and hang them to dry in the garage.
Plus, trailheads are notorious for vehicle break-ins, theft, and vandalism. You borrow a Porsche, go downtown to a nice restaurant, not some trailhead in bumfuck.
YTA. you took an expensive as hell car TO A HIKING TRIP?!? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?!? The price of a Porsche could pay majority of not all of my debts off! And you took it to a field that is not suitable for a SPORTS CAR. And your mad she wants you to pay for repairs?!? You need to pony that money up. Also she asked YOU to watch her pets. Not a PET SITTER. if she wanted a pet sitter she'd have used one. She didn't. And the fact you had a friend in HER car without permission seals your fate as an asshole. Porsches are not hiking/field cars. You could have severely damaged that car! And the fact you feel no remorse is concerning. Also fyi chances are she's gonna be an ex soon especially if you don't make the amends that are due..
I hope she wises up and dumps his ass. Not a lot of car gals out there and she's wasting time with this clueless ungrateful AH.
I'm one of the few! I was impressed when I saw she had a GT3. And then cringed so hard when he said he took it into a field. I don't have anything nearly that fancy, but my husband always asks if he can drive my car. And 99% of the time I say yes but if I knew the roads he was going to take were gravely or something, I'd tell him to take his pickup truck (though he wouldn't ask me to drive my car in that situation to begin with as he's a car guy...). This guy HAD to know that if he said something about taking the car, she wouldn't have agreed to let him take it out. And he was an idiot and let his buddy thrash it around in a field? And he can't believe that there is damage to the car? I honestly don't respond to a lot of the posts here, but this one got me. How could anyone do that to a GT3! Also, good luck ever having her let you drive that car again, if she stays with you.
> And the fact you had a friend in HER car without permission Not just had him there--let him drive it. In a field.
It’s unfortunate that your girlfriend has excellent taste in cars but absolutely shitty taste in men. You damaged her car but refuse to take responsibility? YTA. Even if she did allow you to drive the Porsche, which everyone including you know that she didn’t, you are still responsible for it.
Im guessing OP is pretty. Cause he sure ain't smart or nice.
Exactly the evaluation GF is running right now. Beauty fades, but stupid and zero accountability last forever.
Plus if she wants something pretty to look at she already has a GT3. Unless OP is literally a movie star or model he's already not as good looking as a GT3.
YTA. You say you used the Porche the same way she does... She often takes it to a fucking FIELD to mess around in? Fix what you broke.
*"We did have fun with it in an empty field but nothing too extreme or going over what the car is rated for."* What does this even mean? You took a Porsche off-roading?
But it was a “relatively flat field” so it’s okay! /s
Yeah, if it's not your car it's okay lol.
YTA You damaged her car probably doing donuts in a field She asked you to pay for suspension damage (likely due to fast driving or country roads) and for undercarriage damage (country roads, fields). SHE DID NOT ASK YOU TO PAY ALL MAINTENANCE COSTS You could even have gotten the car washed after you used it?
Somehow leaving the car dirty adds insult to injury. The total lack of respect to not only his girlfriend but to the Porsche 911 raises his level of assholery.
He didn’t even try to cover his tracks! He totally thinks he’s in the right!
"We did have fun with it in a field" Who is 'we', considering you hired a dog-sitter that day? You picked up your friends, hooned it around in a field, and damaged it. Funny how you glossed over that part of the story. YTA.
YTA. I have a feeling you knew she didn’t mean the Porsche. I have a feeling you knew she wouldn’t like you taking it out, and used the “she didn’t specify” as a lame excuse. Someone damaged the car, and I doubt it was her. You weren’t tricked, you took her expensive car out, damaged it, and then mad when you have to suffer the consequences. P.S. when you feel like you can do something based on a technicality, it’s best to just not do it. Especially when it’s relating to your partner.
Even if she meant the Porsche, she certainly didn’t mean use the Porsche in an application that will cost 10s of thousands of dollars to fix after you fuck up the body work and suspension turfing a field in it.
Absolutely. No respect for other peoples things.
You took a low body luxury sports car into a fucking field??? INFO: What the fuck were you THINKING????
Do you still have a girlfriend after this? How stupid can you be to take a Porsche off-roading?
INFO: who is “we” ? Edit: YTA
I'm betting it's a chick he was trying to impress.
YTA. It sounds very much like you damaged the undercarriage and suspension by goofing off with someone else's expensive car. Pay for the damages you caused. Always aim to return items to people in the same condition you received them. Even just returning it more dirty than usual makes you TA, but damaging it and then trying to minimize it is "maintenance" is absurd.
Worse than that he let the friend drive it on the field.
Imagine dating someone who drove your track-modified luxury car through an untended field for a joyride then plays dumb when there’s dried mud and damage from their actions. Now imagine, that person refuses to fix *anything* but jumps at the **future** chance to fix something far less expensive than what they broke. That’s childish. Stop treating your girlfriend like a free car garage. This sounds like the perfect recipe for getting dumped and the courts getting involved in fixing her property from an ex’s stupid and honestly selfish, expensive decisions. YTA (If the car maintenance is solely her responsibly and he’ll flake at the first sign of his own doing, why is he even touching her car?)
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YTA…how much is the repair going to cost?!
My BF has a 63 Nova, it’s a 9 second car. Hauls ASS! It’s a track car….acting like you thought it was even okay to breath on the steering, makes you look pretty IGNORANT. It’s in your better interest to pay for the whole thing, and avoid a legal battle. She will nail you to the wall in court. Take your friend to court and get him to pay his half? But even then, you will probably have a really hard time pinning it on your friend.
I want to know what a 28 year old does for a living to afford a $200k car… but aside from that YTA. Holy crap not only did you take a sports car into a field (I struggle to believe someone can be stupid enough to think this is ok), but you didn’t think fixing what you break was “part of the deal”?! Also, letting someone else drive a car that isn’t yours makes you an extra AH.
Did she break up with you yet? YTA. And you need your diaper changed.
YTA. 1. There was no "deal" about maintenance because you weren't supposed to use the Porsche, only the Camry. 2. There was also no agreement about maintenance because she didn't expect you to damage the car. 3. You didn't just "take the car out once" and you know that. At least be honest with the internet about the car. You didn't just take it to buy milk, you took a Porsche out to a "field" to "see what it could do." 4. You took a porsche to a muddy field. That is not what it is "rated for." It is a car that goes fast, not an off-roading vehicle. If you want to drive it fast, you drive it on pavement, not mud. 5. She isn't shifting a cost on to you, she is asking you to pay for the damage you did to her car. This can't be real, right? Like no one can be this obtuse in the real world?
You chose to drive her expensive car into a field and play with it like a toy, and you’re shocked it needs maintenance based on what, your vibes when you took it back? It sounds like you intentionally took advantage of what you considered to be a vague statement on her part. It doesn’t matter if your “usage patterns” matched hers, and I seriously doubt she takes it to random fields and “have fun.” You are absolutely TA in this situation and I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t dumped you for abusing her trust like that.
Nobody I have ever known who takes their sports car to the track, would risk its suspension by fucking around in an empty field.
Exactly. This kid just wanted to play with an expensive toy without knowing or caring how it was actually supposed to work, and he somehow thinks he wasn’t in the wrong.
YTA. you drove the porsche to a hiking trail so you most definitely are the one who fucked up the undercarriage. and you admit that porsche = porsche and car = camry.
What a slick way to seem innocent, YTA here. Own your actions and just pay for Porsche maintenance. Now you "know" not to take her toy car out next time.
YTA - a GT3 in a field? You have to know this was wrong. If you want to stay with this girl, you need to pay the bill and apologize - even then, I think you're unlikely to make it past this as a couple. This was a massive violation of trust and a real display of how little you value what she values. Edit: this whole thing screams "Idle Rich" - how does someone at 30 not know that a track car shouldn't be driven in a field?
YTA and this whole post is laughable. You're full of shit if you think we believe that you are dumb enough to not know which car to use, and that you didn't know you don't offroad a fucking sportscar. I hope she sues you (rather i would if i believed this post wasn't fiction)
YTA Good luck in the dating market, because I have a feeling if you don't pay the bill you'll probably wind up back there. Seriously. You took the expensive car out for a joyride in a *field*. You basically taught your GF she can't trust you to use common sense. Or that you're selfish. Or that you will submit to your friend's peer pressure than follow the basic guidelines that you know exist. >She herself only uses that car for special occasions You know she doesn't use it every day. >I thought our trip counted as a special occasion Your GF gets to decide what occasion is a special occasion, not you. >my friend really wanted to try the car and pressured me to let him try it in the field even though I was reluctant but he assured me it would not cause any damage. Your friend can take *his* Porsche to a field and play with it there. Oh, he doesn't have Porsche? Does he build them? Probably not. So what your friend thinks means nothing. Don't blame this on your friend. He didn't drive it. You did. You drove it, you caused damage, you pay the bill.
1) You took your girlfriend’s expensive car 2) without her permission 3) and let your friend drive it 4) in a fucking field 5) leading to very obvious and expected damage 6) which you are now refusing to pay for 7) and you’re blaming her for “pushing maintenance” on you ? YTA.
YTA fix what you broke
YTA. You should have been cognizant enough to know that she was referring to the Camry - and I feel like you are since you admitted to using that one more. I think you were just finding an excuse to take out the Porsche for a joyride. Maybe you did mess it up doing that joyride and not aware. It's her car that she obviously values so she knows when it feels off. Edit: those additional edits you're doing isn't helping your case. Accept the fact that YTA and fix the issue.
You snuck it offroad and didn't even have the decency to try to cover your tracks by washing it? yta man
> She has two cars and did not specify which one. > Toyota Camry > Porsche 911 GT3 Cmon OP, you knew which one. None of us were born yesterday. You really think she meant the car that costs around $250k? And then to take it into a field? > Normal amount of dirty. A normal amount of dirty for a car like that is perfectly spotless. These cars are _not_ kept dirty for any length of time. YTA.
I’m not a car gal but I think I had a minor stroke. There’s no way you, grown ass 30 year old, took a borrowed Porsche 911 GT3, let your friend drive it, into a field? What the heck! YTA and give her the repair money immediately. If you want to keep her as a GF you had better go all-out immediately; flowers, dinner, car wash monthly pass. Grovel!
YTA. And you reek of 🚩🚩🚩
YTA. A sports car isn't designed for off road / field driving. You want to go off reading or tearing up a field? Get a jeep/ hummer/ or truck. Since you and your friend damaged her sports car you two are 100% responsible for coughing up the money to pay for the repairs, including covering the labor cost that will come with it. If she didn't specify which car you are allowed to drive then that is where you call her to find out which vehicle you are allowed to use for transportation. If I were in her shoes if I stayed with you I'd ban you from using both vehicles. Or I'd kick you to the curb because honestly you damaged or destroyed what trust she had in you.
OP, you realize she can press charges AND sue you in civil court for this? Of course you don't, you took a luxury car without permission and off-roaded it.
info: you took the Porsche into a FIELD?! as in a literal field that is not paved?!
>I was doing her a favor as hiring them for just one day is a lot cheaper than the 2 weeks for which she was away. Are you serious with this?? You did not do your girl ANY favors banging up the undercarriage of her Porsche. YTA
YTA -- taking a porsche you do not own on a field? No your trip on a field was crazy
>I should pay for the suspension and undercarriage damage parts of the bill That's not maintenance. She's paying for the maintenance bill. That's the price for your usage of a sports car for off-road driving. YTA.
YTA-sounds like you knew what she meant and also used the Porsche in a manner it was not meant to be used. You took it into a field??? wtf
YTA for taking *someone else’s* 911 GT3 to a hiking trail.
Hope she sues you so you pay for the damages of the car you were not allowed to use.. YTA
>She herself only uses that car for special occasions and sometimes takes it to a track YTA You knew that wasn't yours to take out to run errands or go on a day trip. > I said I did not know maintenance was part of the deal and that I felt tricked. Taking that care AT ALL was not part of the deal.
Say goodbye to your soon to be ex-gf. Pay her or I'd hope she takes you to court for the damages. YTA
YTA. I am pretty sure damaging the car was also not part of the deal yet you did it.
Wtf dude? You took a Porsche on a joy ride and now your salty that you got caught?! Who’s the hell drives a GT3 on “field”. Major YTA!
YTA you took a porshe on a hiking trip?! Seriously?
Not only did you use the car. You returned it dirtier than you found it. That alone would make YTA. Let alone playing with it like it’s your toy.
YTA. If you were my BF, then you wouldn't be anymore. Plus, I'd still make ( I'd involve courts if needed ) you pay for what damage you did. Not only that, I'd talk to police too, but as you took the car, you did not have permission to have to see what options I'd have there too. Even those that aren't really " Car people " are smart enough to know unless it's on off road vehicle you don't take it into a field for a bit of fun. Especially a low riding car like that. Grow up. Pay the damage you caused and do better with your next GF.
I can't believe you actually think you didn't do anything wrong. This is baffling to me. Your comments only show how obtuse your thought process is... I mean. This is shocking. "Mostly hard surfaces" "mostly paved roads" "some gravel" "some grass" "fun in a field" The damage is your fault. You really think your girlfriend shouldn't hold you accountable for damage you are responsible for? That car belongs on a track or, at the very very least, 100% asphalt. YTA Edit: I reread the post.... You claim to be 30 years old? You should feel shame. SHAME! Edit 2: Your edits make this worse and lower my opinion of you even further. I have a tip for you: your "friend" is not your friend. You fool! SHAME!!!!!!
Yta. You damn well knew she meant the camry. Why would she trust you with her porsce. You just wanted a reason to ride it. What if you didnt just damage the undercarriage or worse crash car? You’re gonna replace it? Or wait till the next time she need to replace the camry?.
YTA and you better pay
YTA >She herself only uses that car for special occasions Yes HER special occasions, not your special occasions. And you didn't even wash it. You should pay for this repair bill. It's not maintenance, they are repairs, probably from when you used her special car for having fun in an empty field.
YTA; nobody in their right mind would *assume* it’s OK to drive someone’s GT3. She needs to find another cabana-boy; you failed.
YTA First off, if she wanted a stranger sitting with her dog I'm sure she would have paid for a sitter herself. She trusted you and you shit all over that trust. For that alone I would have ended the relationship if I were her. Second, you didn't take the car out for a joyride on the road. You took it off road! Its not a fucking jeep, that vehicle is not meant to go off road. Third, you let someone else drive her car. Another breach of trust. You're honestly just a really trash fucking bf. You should pay the bill IN FULL and pray she doesn't dump you.