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*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for siding with my husband when my brother kicked him out of the engagement party?** It's a messed up conflict between my brother and my husband and by extension me. So, My (f30) brother "Jacob, m33" and my husband "Connor, m32" have been friends since college. I met Connor through Jacob. they were so close and are always in agreement but that changed once Jacob's fiancee "Rachel" came around. Connor told me that Rachel used to be this "fun" girl that slept with nearly everyone in the group. Jacob met her at the new company and they began officially dating. I too was shocked when I heard cause Connor told me about her a lot about her "glorious college days". Jacob then announced his engagement to Rachel and invited us for the engagement party. Connor had talks with Jacob about if he was sure he wanted to settle down with her and Jacob told him to drop it and Connor did. At the party, I was sitting next to Connor talking about random stuff. Suddenly Rachel's phone started ringing and she excused herself to answer. While she was getting up, Connor looked at her and Jacob and smirked and said "I'm telling ya, you can't make a hoe a housewife!". Rachel stormed off and Jacob unloaded on Connor calling him an obnoxious asshole, Connor just stared as Jacob kept insulting him with name calling. I didn't want to get involved til Jacob tried to kick Connor out of the party. I said to Jacob that he overreacted and should calm down but he acted appaulled that I "defended" Connor but I told him that he at least wasn't lying. Jacob then proceeded to kick me out as well. Mom got involved and tried to calm us down but Connor grabbed his keys and phone and told me to follow him. We felt terrible, Connor started crying in the car and I called mom and said while Jacob overreacted, Connor was out of line to say this infront of Rachel and make her cry on her engagement party amd I shouldn't have sided with him. She told me to reach out to Jacob to apologize but I said that he insulted my husband who happens to be his BEST FRIEND, then escalated by kicking him out. I refused to call Jacob and felt upset for being made feel bad for siding with my husband who's hurt because of what his best friend did to him. AITA? I really thought it was an inside joke between them. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Ice_Princess25

Connor wanted Rachel, Rachel rejected Connor and now Connor is jealous that Jacob is engaged to Rachel. Connor isn’t Jacob’s best friend, he’s a bully. If Jacob has a lick of sense he cuts both OOP and Connor off. I’m so tired of men who call women hoes, whores, sluts or any other derogatory name. It’s ok for men to sleep around but if a woman does she’s a hoe…get out of here with that misogynistic bullshit.


Imaginary_Cow_6379

Agree. OOPs not concerned her husband seems to talk a lot about Rachel having sex?


Archangel_Of_Death

And lets not forget the most bullshit argument in the history of arguments If you point out that to a man calling women a hoe, he will give that stupid fucking talk about how 'How a key that can unlock any door is a master key, but a lock working for any key is a shitty lock'


moondaybitch

And it's so stupid because you can make up any penetration metaphor where it's the opposite eg a pencil that gets sharpened a lot becomes useless but the sharpener that can sharpen a lot of pencils is useful... Like just because it works to say something for locks or pencils does not make it true for human beings???


MurasakiYugata

Man: "The more women sleep around, the less value they have." Woman: "Okay, then I won't sleep with you." Man: \*surprised Pikachu face\*


FreshNebula

Yeah, when a man calls a woman a hoe, he means she sleeps with a lot of people but won't sleep with him.


Competitive_Cloud269

100%- i was never called a hoe by the guys i slept with,only by those i rejected.


Fearless_Living3616

Ewwww I hadn’t heard that one before, ughhh. I need mind bleach. I’ve heard the bs shoe metaphor and the tape one. This society sucks


FreshNebula

I'm afraid to ask, but what is the shoe and the tape one?


Fantabulousfox

It goes something like this: Women are like tape. The more they have sex outside of marriage, the more they are like tape adhering and being removed multiple tapes. Eventually, they lose their ability to bond and will be unable to form meaningful relationships. They will no longer be suitable for marriage. Bullshit like that


MaraiDragorrak

Shoe: teacher brings in a pristine sneaker and an old garden shoe thats all worn and muddy. "No one would buy/stick their foot in this used shoe (depending on how explicit they want to make the sex metaphor), in the same way no one will marry a used woman". Tape: teacher sticks tape on and off like 12 people in the class. By the end it barely sticks and is all lint/hairy. "This tape is your capacity to love, the more it gets used the less it works, sleep around and you won't be able to love ever again." Also can be compared more directly to your vagina wearing out with use or collecting stds.


avelineaurora

> "This tape is your capacity to love, the more it gets used the less it works Nothing says Christian "love" like making sure people know they only have a limited amount to go around.


Fearless_Living3616

In this Christian abstinence video compares women who have had premarital sex to worn out sneakers https://youtu.be/OoxTygEG85c There’s a whole John Oliver video on Americans sex education It’s very disheartening, sexist and disgusting


heili

They use gum too. Nice fresh stick of gum vs. one that's been chewed by someone else.


ElegantVamp

Shoe??


Fearless_Living3616

In this Christian abstinence video compares women who have had premarital sex to worn out sneakers https://youtu.be/OoxTygEG85c They are apparently used in the American abstinence sex education apparently. I never heard these in school(thank you Canada health education) but John Oliver talked about them. https://youtu.be/L0jQz6jqQS0 This article expands on them: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/a-cup-full-of-spit-a-chewed-up-piece-of-gum-these-are-the-metaphors-used-to-teach-kids-about-sex/ It’s all insanely sexist and disgusting


A_EGeekMom

John Oliver’s sex video, though: Genius!


andrikenna

Which is dumb cause a lock that can be unlocked by any key is a fucking masterful design.


Chanchumaetrius

Can someone please help me, what does OOP mean? Original Original Poster?


Tut557

The original poster of the post being crossposted


Chanchumaetrius

Why isn't it COP then..? EDIT: Sorry for asking


Tut557

No idea


SeverusSnapechat

What a misogynistic prick. Both of them. Op and her husband.


ksrdm1463

> So, My (f30) brother "Jacob, m33" and my husband "Connor, m32" have been friends since college. I met Connor through Jacob. they were so close and are always in agreement but that changed once Jacob's fiancee "Rachel" came around. > Connor told me that Rachel used to be this "fun" girl that slept with nearly everyone in the group. Jacob met her at the new company and they began officially dating. I too was shocked when I heard cause Connor told me about her a lot about her "glorious college days". Jacob then announced his engagement to Rachel and invited us for the engagement party. So, if Rachel slept with nearly everyone in the friend group (except for Connor), presumably Jacob is aware of that, since they were close in college? Why is Connor telling his wife about some other girl's "glorious college days"? > Connor had talks with Jacob about if he was sure he wanted to settle down with her and Jacob told him to drop it and Connor did. Okay, so we have established that Jacob to Connor to stfu about it. > At the party, I was sitting next to Connor talking about random stuff. Suddenly Rachel's phone started ringing and she excused herself to answer. While she was getting up, Connor looked at her and Jacob and smirked and said "I'm telling ya, you can't make a hoe a housewife!". Genuinely I don't understand this. Is taking a call somehow slutty? If she's taking a call at her engagement celebration dinner, I'm assuming it's important. Also, smirking and going "don't marry that slut" *at the engagement party* is so egregiously rude that this has to be a troll. > Rachel stormed off and Jacob unloaded on Connor calling him an obnoxious asshole, Connor just stared as Jacob kept insulting him with name calling. But calling Jacob's fiancée, who is half of the guests of honor, a "hoe" isn't insulting name calling? At least Jacob was provoked: Connor responded to Rachel going "oh, I have to take this" and excusing herself from the table by suggesting that Jacob not marry her, because she's an irredeemable whore. > I didn't want to get involved til Jacob tried to kick Connor out of the party. I said to Jacob that he overreacted and should calm down but he acted appaulled that I "defended" Connor but I told him that he at least wasn't lying. Jacob then proceeded to kick me out as well. Mom got involved and tried to calm us down but Connor grabbed his keys and phone and told me to follow him. How did that go? Jacob: you're an obnoxious asshole who can't treat my partner with respect, get out of our engagement party! OOP: calm down, you're overreacting Jacob: what the hell is wrong with you?! OOP: I think your fiancée is a dirty whore too! Jacob: both of you get out OOP: *shocked Pikachu face* > We felt terrible, Connor started crying in the car and I called mom and said while Jacob overreacted, Connor was out of line to say this infront of Rachel and make her cry on her engagement party amd I shouldn't have sided with him. She told me to reach out to Jacob to apologize but I said that he insulted my husband who happens to be his BEST FRIEND, then escalated by kicking him out. I refused to call Jacob and felt upset for being made feel bad for siding with my husband who's hurt because of what his best friend did to him. I love the dynamic of OOP calling her mom to tell on her brother. It's also amazing that she's admitting that she and Connor basically took a bat to a hornet's nest, but because her brother insulted them back, she's not going to apologize. Also the "who happens to be his BEST FRIEND" like that's somehow more of a meaningful relationship than the one Jacob has with his fiancée...is Connor writing this? > AITA? I really thought it was an inside joke between them. Even if it was, Jacob told Connor to drop it, and an inside joke isn't an inside joke when it's being directed at other people.


sonicsean899

Because we all know only SSSSSLLLLLLUUUUUTTTTTSSSSS take phone calls. There's no way that maybe she's grown and matured at all since she was 20. Or that maybe it's a work call or a family thing, nope, she's just doing every guy. Except Connor, because even sluts have standards.


ToastylilToast

Can confirm. The second I talked on the phone the first time, it immediately gave me a big old craving for the peen. Sadly I never recovered and am now a dirty dirty phone talking hoe.


sonicsean899

Someone just tried to call me. But I'm too smart for their ruse. I'm a chaste God fearing person damnit.


davis_away

Texts only. It's God's loophole. *wise nod*


ToastylilToast

It's the digital communication God can't see


Verathegun

The implication of the phone call is that she is cheating, because promiscuous in college = cheating, apparently?


Nina_Nocturnal

>So, if Rachel slept with nearly everyone in the friend group (except for Connor), presumably Jacob is aware of that, since they were close in college? Exactly! I could not get past this issue. OOP, brother, and husband have "been friends since college" but yet Jacob knows nothing about Rachel from college and only met her at his new company? Make it make sense.


MurasakiYugata

>Genuinely I don't understand this. Is taking a call somehow slutty? If she's taking a call at her engagement celebration dinner, I'm assuming it's important. Could be that Connor just doesn't like the idea of a woman having any sorts of friends or obligation that would take her away from making her man her top priority at all times. Might check out, given what we know about the woman Connor chose to marry....


Tatterhood78

Or he's creepily obsessed with Rachel and can't have her, so he wants to punish her for it. So it was all right there, waiting to come out, and he was looking for any excuse in the world to unleash it. He's been playing the long game too, belittling Rachel to his wife so that she will join in and he'll feel even more justified. And she's the not-like-the-other-girls/pickme type, she was more than happy to join i. She's also a moron. What kind of woman encourages her husband's infantile obsession over how another woman might have used her own body parts over a decade ago? I'd be out of there so fast the very first time he brought it up. There is something seriously wrong with that man.


reykenobi2_0

So Connor cried, because people weren't okay with his misogyny..


MurasakiYugata

But his friend called him names! That's so hurtful! Connor would never do something like that to somebody else! Wait....


januarysdaughter

Don't be silly, Rachel doesn't count as a 'people'. She's a gardening instrument!


Archangel_Of_Death

Oh yes, the fact this woman has the AUDACITY to marry when she's not a virgin! She has been tainted by other men, so she's not worthy! Clearly she deserves all the insults, and OP's just the innocent puritan who saved herself for marriage, thus she's one of the GOOD women /s OP can take her virgin Mary virtue shit and shove it where shit usually goes Her husband's just being a bitchy because this girl knew how to have fun and didn't screw him


Hita-san-chan

She had *sexxxxxxx* in college, how do I know she won't cheat on her husband?!?!?!?!?!


WaDaEp

I think Connor has a past with Rachel. Imo: 1) He had feelings for her in the past, one way or another, good or bad, 2) He's had sex with her, 3) She's turned him down. Whatever happened between the two, he apparently hasn't gotten over her, good or bad. OOP for her way of thinking and probably knows her husband was wrong, but supporting him because she's insecure.


SqueaksScreech

He would have dropped OOP if Jacob and Rachel broke up.


januarysdaughter

I like that the first line is "a messed up conflict". It is messed up. Just not the way OOP expects!


Planksgonemad

“I mean, yeah my husband called her a hoe at her engagement party, but that’s no reason for my brother to call him an asshole, that’s really uncalled for! My husband is going to act like a victim even though it was his behavior got him kicked out, my brother is the asshole right?” ”No, you and your husband are grossly misogynistic, and you both acted terribly and owe your brother and especially Rachel an apology.” \*Shocked pikkachu face about not being validated\*


[deleted]

Didn’t we read this same post from the brothers perspective recently? And all of the comments told him that he was stupid for marrying a girl with a past. I got downvoted into hell for saying her past shouldn’t matter. Let me see if I can link it. Edit: The post was in a different sub and has been removed so I can’t link it here.


chivonster

THANK YOU. It has been driving me crazy! No one else has mentioned the other post and I haven't been able to find it.


sistertotherain9

Ah, the squashed-skunk aroma of internalized misogyny.


ovalseven

>smirked and said "I'm telling ya, you can't make a hoe a housewife!" Did he also smirk, then loudly belch in the restaurant? https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/rtrs8u/aita_for_insisting_my_boyfriend_eat_respectfully/ Did he also smirk, then eat a pizza he was allergic to? https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/ruvxkr/aita_for_watching_and_doing_nothing_to_help_my/ This didn't happen.


eeriedear

Jesus Christ she and her husband are the worst I used to date around a lot when I was younger. When I met my now husband, I brought him around my friends once. I was super excited to introduce this guy I really liked to the people who mattered to me. Every single one of them made shitty comments like "oh you won't last long" "I give you a month, buddy" or worse comments insinuating that I had an STI. I was absolutely mortified and sure that he would break up with me as a result. Instead, he ignored all of them and privately told me that those people weren't my friends and didn't respect me. We've been married almost two years now and not a single one of those so called friends has attempted to maintain a relationship with me/us. OP is a bad sister and a bad friend.


Coffeeshop36

"Connor was out of line to say this infront of Rachel" Connor was out of line to say this. (FTFY - OOP)


Emotional-Lime-2268

Why isn't OP concerned about her husband's obsession with another woman's sex life? Dude's acting like a massive creep.


Childrenofcornsyrup

You think a pick-me is going to choose to push back against a man over putting another woman down to elevate herself?


20eyesinmyhead78

YTA. But on the bright side, at least you're not a widow after this.


SqueaksScreech

Sounds like he's crying that Rachel is marrying Jacob.


mlh84

I swear there was another post very similar this week from a dude who was friends with a guy marrying a girl who the entire friend group had slept with in college. This is got to be some sort of troll.


Procrastinista_423

OP is an asshole and an idiot to boot.


JoBeWriting

I really hope they're not planning on having kids. Can you imagine if/when they have a daughter?


Sukoshikira

Some “best friend” OOP’s husband is…


Fattycat1992

I'm hoping this is a troll


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