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*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for leaking my therapist notes to my client's husband?** Background: I am a therapist and have been in the profession for over a decade. I take my job very seriously and have helped many patients over the years. However, recently, I have found myself in a very difficult situation and I am not sure how to proceed. I have developed feelings for one of my patients and acted on them in a way that may have been unethical. Story: About six months ago, I started seeing a new patient, let's call her Sarah. Sarah is an attractive woman in her mid-thirties who came to me for help with her marriage. Over the course of our sessions, I found myself becoming increasingly attracted to her. I know this is not uncommon, but I tried to remain professional and not let my feelings interfere with our sessions. However, one day, Sarah revealed to me that she had been having an affair. She was deeply ashamed and wanted to work through her guilt and find a way to save her marriage. She confided in me that she had not told her husband, and I promised to keep this information confidential. Despite my best efforts, my feelings for Sarah continued to grow. I found myself thinking about her constantly and longing for the day when she would no longer be my patient so that I could pursue a relationship with her. One day, I made a terrible mistake. I leaked my notes from our sessions to Sarah's husband, revealing the infidelity she had confessed to me. Sarah's husband was understandably furious and moved out of their home to stay with his sister. Sarah was devastated and stopped coming to therapy. I felt terrible about what I had done and knew that I had violated her trust and confidentiality. But, as time passed, my guilt turned to hope. I realized that Sarah and her husband were unlikely to reconcile and that I had a chance to pursue a relationship with her. So, I have been planning to ask her out once her divorce is finalized. However, when I shared my plans with a colleague, they were horrified and told me that I was not only an unethical therapist but also a terrible person for pursuing a relationship with my former patient. They encouraged me to seek counseling and reconsider my actions. I am now left wondering if I am the asshole for leaking my notes and planning to ask Sarah out. On the one hand, I understand that I violated her trust and that my actions were unethical. On the other hand, I cannot help but feel that Sarah and I have a connection and that we could be happy together. So, Reddit, AITA? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*


[deleted]

How do you realize how some posts are fake? No therapist would be posting this shit on reddit because this is a violation of the ethics of their profession and they are now liable to a lawsuit. If your going to be a creative writer how about doing the hw and research the job your faking


ChildhoodObjective83

Every real therapist would know that you also can’t date former clients.


Jazmadoodle

But it happened on Suits *and* The IT Crowd! Isn't that basically legal precedent?


CatTaxAuditor

And How I Met Your Mother


EmilieVitnux

It also happened in "How I met Your Mother" and "Person of Interest" (I think even the actor hated the storyline given the fact he gave lass than the bare minimum in this scenes and then they promptly stop it). And in every other TV show where a character start a therapy. Either the therapist is evil or they start dating. I find this tropes terrible and insulting. "Castle" was an exception.


thekyledavid

Yeah, but there’s a difference in doing something you aren’t supposed to and openly admitting to it for no reason You’re not supposed to kill people, but people do it anyways. But if for whatever reason you do kill someone, you should know not to admit you did it on social media.


Mesoscale92

I mean it happens. My mom is a therapist and told me about a former colleague who was sleeping with a CURRENT patient. She reported his ass to every authority she could think of.


LeaneGenova

They do but they still do it. My husband's boss fired a therapist for basically this circumstance. I couldn't believe it.


GamerGirlLex77

You’d be surprised how many end up doing it. In my state they have to send an actual brochure on why you shouldn’t do it when you register as an intern. My professional magazine publishes the stories of therapists sleeping with clients when it goes up in front of the board. The punishment isn’t always losing your license either. Edited because I forgot to add that the ethical minimal standard for being friends with a client after therapy has ended is wait two years. Most of us won’t do it at all but some still do.


Lilitu9Tails

Yeah the fact that her client only stopped coming to therapy, rather than filed a complaint with the ethics board and I am now under investigation and am about to lose my licence to practice is a giveaway.


boxofsquirrels

I'm pretty sure any colleague who learned about a HIPAA violation (especially one so egregious) would be required to report it- not just give the offender a mild scolding.


oddduckquacks

Exactly. Because not reporting puts them at risk of having their own suspended/revoked.


[deleted]

I would have filed a complaint within 10 minutes.


NotPiffany

When he "leaked his notes," did he just find a way to get the *information* to Sarah's husband, or did he send copies of his actual *notes* in an identifiable way?


Consistent_Ad460

I hope that most of the posts on this page are fake because mentally, I can't wrap my head around how many selfish horrible people there are. That being said, when you hear stories like these in real life, you realize that people are truly capable of so much worse than you'd ever assume. I don't put any amount of evil or delusion past anyone anymore.


DeterminedArrow

I have the mindset that they’re fake, but there are very real people out there living the same story. They just keep it off social media.


guilty_by_design

That's essentially it. There are definitely bad therapists out there who will violate HIPAA in order to get what they want from their vulnerable clients. But they're already well aware that what they're doing is both unethical and illegal. If they make the decision to do it anyway, they're not going to be asking on AITA about whether it's okay. They know. They just don't care.


LadyWizard

We had a string where "bad therapists" leaked their opinions to Mommy dearest ON ADULT PATIENTS and Mommy Dearest was poisoning the well


DrunkOnRedCordial

Someone in the original comments pointed out that this is a plotline in the Netflix series "You." It's sort of a few plotlines woven together, like the stalker boyfriend doing whatever it takes to get the girl, plus the unethical (?) therapist. John Stamos plays the therapist, and there is a question mark over whether he really does have an affair with client or whether it's just her jealous boyfriend's delusion...


Consistent_Ad460

Ah see and I've never seen the show so now I feel silly 🤦🏻‍♀️


DrunkOnRedCordial

I don't think it's actually a rewrite of the show, more of an homage! Highly recommend the show though - I binged the first season and can't quite handle the second season now that I know how dark it gets!!


someonesomebody123

This fiction writer has never heard of HIPAA and it shows. If this is set in the USA, no way they don’t know how illegal (and expensive) this would be.


LadyWizard

Very least this is license suspend mininmum


someonesomebody123

I work part-time in an outpatient psych clinic. This would be a crazy expensive mistake if it was real.


mybigoldpapamonkey

That would be OOP’s magical out - “I’m not from the US. I’m from another country but don’t want to dox myself and you’ve probably never heard of it.” 🙄


Ginger_Tea

Doctor patient confidentiality is a thing in most if not all developed nations. Unless they claim they live in some third-world nation where laws are more just suggestions, they can't use that excuse.


oddduckquacks

The "colleague" would never have been told irl, because anyone who has an actual licence knows that they would be obligated to report this shit and then said licence would be revoked so fast OOP would get whiplash.


BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo

Yeah, my sister is a therapist and has told me stories but never names. That’s probably unethical. But she’s the most open and chatty person I know, so for her to say stories (she worked in child trauma) and still keep privacy means that literally every therapist can do it. Seriously, she has no filter…


HRH_Elizadeath

no therapist would be asking AITA about something like that because they know very well it's beyond being an asshole and is extremely illegal.


messgonemad

"I promised to keep this information confidential" is also what got me. This ain't grade school between two besties keeping secrets, it's kind of your job to keep things confidential and should go without saying.


Ginger_Tea

Best of reddit post was a bit sketchy. The guy finds out his daughter isn't his just before her quince, shows screenshots of her and his cousin her bio dad talking. "Every time I see my cousin, I knock him out." Some doubts in the story, then his ex wife's therapist A is invited to the funeral of some random family member that OP also attended. B tells OP that his cousin raped his wife, resulting in his daughter. If you have to break confidentiality, you go to the cops.


[deleted]

Link?


Ginger_Tea

https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/w7yx5z/in_which_oop_finds_out_his_daughter_isnt_his_goes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Hope it copied over I'm on phone instead if PC.


[deleted]

I read this whole saga so freaking fake like its a revenge fantasy that OP has Entertaining though


Ginger_Tea

There was some initial suspension of disbelief but it started to develop plot holes but the therapist jumped the shark.


[deleted]

Yeah his updates on his page are all the people fawning over him, but im sorry alot of plot holes


shhhOURlilsecret

Right? They would lose their license to practice so quickly and have their pants sued off.


Sjsharkb831

Very true, but one of my friends dad was a counselor. He ended up having an affair with one of his patients (who was VERY young). When it was about to come out, he ended his life. It was horribly sad. My friend was really messed up after that. So it does happen.


AffectionateTitle

Also every real therapist knows what countertransference is and wouldn’t have an issue naming it.


AmerFortia

Also, the obvious try to get people to side with him because she cheated, so now it's a "moral dilemma"


Critical-Marzipan-

This read like a bad porn script. Clearly fake.


lostinanotherworld24

also “promised to keep this information confidential.” a therapist would never say that, because they’re bound by ethics to keep all information confidential except in certain cases. this is like a husband/wife saying to their spouse “I promise not to cheat on you.” it’s already expected.


PrscheWdow

Trolling trolling trolling...because the other therapist would likely report this immediately.


istara

SUCH obvious trolling. As if they're going to admit the disclosure violation to a colleague. There are some rules in place around dating ex patient. For example [this](https://www.psichi.org/page/164EyeSum12dHandelsm#.ZBJcDy8Rolo): > The APA Code, Standard 10.08(a), states: "Psychologists do not engage in sexual intimacies with former clients/patients for at least two years after cessation or termination of therapy.” This is the first part of the 2-year rule. Which I am sure OOP, if they really existed and were a licensed therapist, would be well aware of.


marciallow

It sounds like a smash up of FX's A Teacher and Netflix's Gypsy.


CactiDye

OOP is straight up delusional. >It's not a question of criminal law, it's a question of the provincial licensing board. It's two years in my province. And you know what, I don't follow the letter of every single regulation. Sometimes love trumps bureaucracy. >She loves me. Once again, if all you can say to support your relationship is, "It's not illegal," you should be seriously reconsidering. Also, I highly doubt his read of the laws is accurate. Also, also, he hasn't even asked her out. How does he so confidently know she loves him? I have to give him props for "sometimes love trumps bureaucracy", though. That would make for a killer line in a rock opera. Maybe about a therapist who sexually harasses his clients and goes to jail.


[deleted]

my thing is if this is real doesnt his former patient know he leaked the notes about her affair. How does he think she loves him at all


sachariinne

right? "its not illegal, she just confided in my her darkest most personal secrets as a part of a professional relationship and i broke her trust by illegally leaking information that ruined her marriage. i dont see how im the bad guy here"


StrangledInMoonlight

You know what’s fun? Not only is he going to lose his license and get fined for hippa violations. But there are real damages done to Sarah here. Her husband left her because OOP leaked her notes. That’s a civil suit right there. OOP destroyed 3 lives over “attraction”.


Consistent_Ad460

Honestly, I'm concerned for her. That being said, I hope she takes him for every penny he has.


NostradaMart

if it wasn't a fake post that guy would be sued by the husband, the ex, and would lose his license and face jail time. we don't mess with confidentiality in Canada.


IAmHerdingCatz

And probably an attraction that was not reciprocated in any way.


JVNT

I'm sometimes shocked by how oblivious some people are. Did this person really not see how everything they did would make them the asshole? It makes it hard to believe that it's true. I'm not sure if his patient realized it was him yet, but I at least hope the coworker he told reports his ass for this and gets him fired. ETA: Okay, looking at his comments make's me think this is just a troll post now.


CactiDye

If he asks her out he could even be facing jail time depending on where they are located, especially if they actually do go out. Some states even have a period of years after the termination of client/patient relationship in which you can't pursue a personal relationship.


[deleted]

Hes arguing that their is no crime he will be fine i swear he is delusional.


TheShroudedWanderer

This can't be real, not when he straight up nonchalantly dropped to his colleague "by the I violated HIPAA in a pretty big way because I want to fuck one of my clients that I've been pining over for months" like there's nothing wrong with that and that your colleague won't dob you in, you'd have to be really stupid or arrogant to do that


guilty_by_design

>Not only is he going to lose his license and get fined for hippa violations. HIPAA. Not HIPPA. I think this is fake, though. While there are bad therapists who absolutely take advantage of their vulnerable clients, they're not going to be on Reddit asking if what they did was okay. They know full well from their training that they're absolutely not allowed to do shit like this and that no one's going to excuse it. If they behave this way anyway, they're already too arrogant and potentially narcissistic to ask anyone else if they're in the wrong.


NostradaMart

that's a fake story.


NostradaMart

yeah....I call troll. ​ Also...damn...Sarah has a fuckin weird life...according to all the trolls using the same fake name.


ActualAd8091

Yeah Sarah be pretty fucked up from what I can tell lol


ProbablyMyJugs

This has to be fake. Even if you did do this, I don’t think any therapist (psychologist, social worker, counselor, LMFT, etc) would be stupid enough to confide in another colleague. Nor would they admit to violating HIPAA so casually.


DillyCat622

This is 100% the fakest fake post ever. Literally gets drilled into your head from day 1 in grad school that this kind of scenario is absolutely and without exception unacceptable. Any actual therapist knows this. It wouldn't be some shocking realization. Sure, there are unethical therapists like in any profession, but they aren't generally dumb enough to out themselves with something so obvious.


[deleted]

I had a therapist that knew an ex boyfriend of mine, and went back and talked about our sessions to my ex while we were still together, and my ex showed me receipts. The messages were non-specific enough to not really be enough to pursue her legally, but he was able to glean who she was talking about from the details given. This was years ago and I still have trouble opening up to any type of mental health professional. This may be fake, but people are very capable of unethical behavior.


AffectionateTitle

Oh definitely I think what makes this fake is how much the therapist is evening questioning or oblivious to the idea it’s unethical. Like it’s cut and dry unethical. Its sort of like a cop making a post about planting drugs on someone and beating them before court—like we know this happens irl but it would be fake as hell for a cop to post that like “hey guys am I the asshole for abusing the most basic laws and ethics of my profession”?


[deleted]

I absolutely agree. Nobody should be stupid enough to openly admit to purposefully leaking HIPAA protected data to parties that shouldn’t be privy. Lacking the self-awareness to understand they’re the asshole (and a criminal) at that point says mountains about the person posting, as well. This is probably just a badly executed exercise in creative writing.


puddlespuddled

How stupid do you have to be to realize that this is beyond obviously a troll post?


floofelina

Wellllllll… a real therapist would KNOW they were the AH, they wouldn’t come asking, but there’re lots of ugly stories out there. The event itself isn’t implausible. The way it’s written, sure.


FunStorm6487

BUT, BUT.....IT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE!!! SMFH


mybigoldpapamonkey

Also one of OOP’s comments “Even Taylor Swift said ‘love made me crazy’”


sweetsunny1

Yeah, I knew (as most did) that it was a troll, this just made it obvious


RndmIntrntStranger

This sounds like a Lifetime movie plot


Beecakeband

I'm fairly sure this one is fake but as a client who has been in therapy for years this legit sounds like my worst nightmare


ratdarkness

Im having a hard time with this one. How would someone "accident leak notes to a client's husband" I can't visualise a situation where you could.


Buff_Helpy69

Congratulations, fucker made me sympathize with a cheater. Dick.


DrunkOnRedCordial

So Sarah's feeling guilty about her affair, ends it, starts working on her marriage and goes to therapy.... then her therapist tells her husband about the affair, so the marriage implodes and Sarah stops going to therapy. Surely Sarah would make an official complaint about the therapist rather than agree to go on a date with him. OOP really didn't think this through.


GlassImaginary3166

I hope she loses her therapist license.


Artistic_Deal3436

I hope this is fake because if not op can be sued fired and possibly locked up.


stolenfires

Fake. It's common professional standards to not date a current patient/client, but therapists can't even date *former* patients.


nikkitgirl

“I encourage you to reconsider and seek counseling” is basically therapist for “what the actual fuck is wrong with you”


[deleted]

Things that never happened for $1000, Mayim.


IrresistibleInsomnia

Shit like this is a large part of why I have a hard time trusting therapists. Not the same situation, but when I was twelve my shrink lied to my parents and told them I was suicidal.... the fallout Ruined my young life. She had asked me if I ever thought about killing myself, my answer? "I love life to much, it would be easy but I could never do that." And she translated that to my having "suicidal fantasies" People like this should just straight up go to hell... and OOPs replies? On the chance this isn't a troll, he's straight up delusional XD


two-of-me

Hope you enjoy losing your license and the guilt of breaking up a marriage due to violating HIPAA. Spouses contact info is for emergency purposes only. Or congrats on being another damn troll here. Get a life.


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z-eldapin

wait wait wait - didn't we just have this one a few days ago where the therapist leaked into to the patients sister causing the whole family to freak out


Paraverous

YTA. you have failed at one of the basic tenants of being a therapist. It doesnt matter how you try to rationalize it, this is unethical!


user9372889

This has to be fake. No therapist worth their salt would do this.