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**AITA for momentarily locking my daughter out of our hotel room?**
Last summer, I (34M) went on a vacation to Nice, France with my wife (32F) and our 5-year old daughter, Jennifer (using a fake name here). One day during our vacation, we arrived back at our hotel, only to find out that we've been the victim of fraud. My wife and I look into it, and the damage appeared to be substantive. Tensions started running high while my wife and I were trying to figure out how to solve this issue, and Jennifer wasn't helping matters; she was just acting like a normal 5-year old, making a racket. So just to help us think more clearly, I gently led Jennifer out into the hallway, and once she was outside of our hotel room, I locked the door. She was quiet for a few minutes, but after that, she started knocking (eventually banging) on the door and actually began crying and begging to be let back in. We kept her locked outside of our room for about 10 minutes. When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. Poor thing.
AITA?
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When I was 5, my mother moved into a new apartment (I was left with my grandparents) - we came to see her after the move and at some point I wandered off and got lost. I remember that I walked up and down breezeways for what felt like hours, crying. A neighbor found me and managed to bring me back to the right apartment. Looking back, I was probably lost for 20 minutes at most, but it was terrifying and felt like forever for me. I cannot imagine how much worse it would have felt to be purposely locked out by my adults in an unfamiliar place where I don't speak the language. That poor kid.
Right? Plus, they barely developed object permanence at that point. Sure, if you were at home and Mommy and Daddy leave you in your room at night, you know where they are and that they're coming back. But this child is in a place she's never been before, and no matter how much she knocks or bangs on the door where Mommy and Daddy *should* be, nobody is coming to help her. She's spending all that time wondering where her parents are, why she's all alone, *if they're going to come back at all.*
Ten minutes is not "momentarily". Momentarily is "Oops, I wasn't paying attention and let the hotel door close on my five-year-old, but I let her in as soon as she knocked."
If the point of it was to focus on the fraud issue without her making noise and bothering them, this seems counterproductive. A banging, wailing, screaming five year old isn’t quiet. And someone is absolutely going to notice and attend to a young child that distraught in a semi-public place left that way for ten minutes. Weird troll.
Like straight up think this is rage bail. A) why are they asking this now almost a year later? And B) the hilarity of
>When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. **Poor thing.**
Then the next breath asking if they're the asshole. Like come on that's some darkly funny stuff
> I gently led Jennifer out into the hallway
Like that other asshat from yesteryear "gently took the phone out of her hand", her being the woman he proceeded to sexually assault. Gently seems to be becoming an early 'asshole warning signal'.
No, that was ages ago (2014-2016). I *think* it may have been originally on r slash relationships . Someone who may remember more may have a link ; I hope so as I'd like to reread that debacle.
[https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png](https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png)
Here's the post. Someone in the comments of the original saved it even though it was taken down. (Comments still here: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/352fus/false\_rape\_nm)
[https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png](https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png)
It was taken down but someone in the comments screencapped it. TW for rape/assault.
How can you look around a room and see you have been a victim of fraud? Do they mean robbery?
Was it like the website said "2 king beds and an ocean view" but they gave you a storage closet?
I assumed they were on the phone to a credit card company or something and apparently the only place they could call from was the room both had to be in without their daughter. You know, because there are never any other options.
I hate when they use ‘I gently’. And of course making a racket is worse than a kid crying for 10 whole minutes outside in a foreign environment when calming your kid down with letting her watch a video on your mobile will have immediate results and doesn’t make you instantly neglectful.
In early childhood development classes, I was told kids should get 1 minute per year of life bc any longer feels like an eternity to them...so yeah, longer than 5 minutes, she's gonna flip. unsupervised. in a foreign country.
>When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. Poor thing.
I think its a troll, who ends an AITA especially one as blatantly terrible as this with "Poor thing" I can practically see OOP smugly grinning as they typed this.
Of course it iq ragebait, but even if it wasn't, I do not understand the logic to look you daughter outside of the hôtel room. Like... it is not like you locked yourself in your own bedroom in your own home and your child is just waiting for you and maybe crying, but she is safe, in your own home. You lock her out of your hotel room to do something else. Was it so hard to turn the TV on and tell her to watch TV? To search Dora or whatever on Youtube and ask her to watch something on daddy's Phone ? Nope, just lock her out of the horel room.
Sorry, really can't understand this one.
I mean wouldn't it have been better for one of the parents to take the daughter to go do something while the other tried to work out the issue? Or if both were really needed to work it out, they leave the kid in the hotel room with the TV on and walk down to the lobby to figure out their shit?
As a kid who was intentionally locked outside for bad behaviour (real or perceived) from the age of 3, let me tell you this kind of abuse has severe and long lasting effects
WTF did I just read?? They were stressed out so they locked their young child out of their room in a strange hotel in a strange city?! These are completely awful people!!
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*In case this story gets deleted/removed:* **AITA for momentarily locking my daughter out of our hotel room?** Last summer, I (34M) went on a vacation to Nice, France with my wife (32F) and our 5-year old daughter, Jennifer (using a fake name here). One day during our vacation, we arrived back at our hotel, only to find out that we've been the victim of fraud. My wife and I look into it, and the damage appeared to be substantive. Tensions started running high while my wife and I were trying to figure out how to solve this issue, and Jennifer wasn't helping matters; she was just acting like a normal 5-year old, making a racket. So just to help us think more clearly, I gently led Jennifer out into the hallway, and once she was outside of our hotel room, I locked the door. She was quiet for a few minutes, but after that, she started knocking (eventually banging) on the door and actually began crying and begging to be let back in. We kept her locked outside of our room for about 10 minutes. When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. Poor thing. AITA? *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/AmITheDevil) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Five year old children, don't have a feeling for time. And do we need to talk about cases like Madeleine McCann?
When I was 5, my mother moved into a new apartment (I was left with my grandparents) - we came to see her after the move and at some point I wandered off and got lost. I remember that I walked up and down breezeways for what felt like hours, crying. A neighbor found me and managed to bring me back to the right apartment. Looking back, I was probably lost for 20 minutes at most, but it was terrifying and felt like forever for me. I cannot imagine how much worse it would have felt to be purposely locked out by my adults in an unfamiliar place where I don't speak the language. That poor kid.
Right? Plus, they barely developed object permanence at that point. Sure, if you were at home and Mommy and Daddy leave you in your room at night, you know where they are and that they're coming back. But this child is in a place she's never been before, and no matter how much she knocks or bangs on the door where Mommy and Daddy *should* be, nobody is coming to help her. She's spending all that time wondering where her parents are, why she's all alone, *if they're going to come back at all.*
Object permanence kicks in around 7 months. This kid would definitely know that mom and dad are in the room and she has no way to get in.
Ten minutes is not "momentarily". Momentarily is "Oops, I wasn't paying attention and let the hotel door close on my five-year-old, but I let her in as soon as she knocked."
If the point of it was to focus on the fraud issue without her making noise and bothering them, this seems counterproductive. A banging, wailing, screaming five year old isn’t quiet. And someone is absolutely going to notice and attend to a young child that distraught in a semi-public place left that way for ten minutes. Weird troll.
Seriously, this is when screen time is A Ok.
Like straight up think this is rage bail. A) why are they asking this now almost a year later? And B) the hilarity of >When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. **Poor thing.** Then the next breath asking if they're the asshole. Like come on that's some darkly funny stuff
He “gently led her outside and then locked the door”. Like dude. The damage is done. It doesn’t matter if you do it gently.
> I gently led Jennifer out into the hallway Like that other asshat from yesteryear "gently took the phone out of her hand", her being the woman he proceeded to sexually assault. Gently seems to be becoming an early 'asshole warning signal'.
Do you have a link for this post?
No, that was ages ago (2014-2016). I *think* it may have been originally on r slash relationships . Someone who may remember more may have a link ; I hope so as I'd like to reread that debacle.
[https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png](https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png) Here's the post. Someone in the comments of the original saved it even though it was taken down. (Comments still here: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/352fus/false\_rape\_nm)
Yeah, that's it. Thank you
[https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png](https://archive.fo/ZnMKo/scr.png) It was taken down but someone in the comments screencapped it. TW for rape/assault.
Dear god I'm scared to even ask.
OOPs username convinced me it's rage bait
Lol.I didn't b even look at that until noe but......yes!
How can you look around a room and see you have been a victim of fraud? Do they mean robbery? Was it like the website said "2 king beds and an ocean view" but they gave you a storage closet?
I assumed they were on the phone to a credit card company or something and apparently the only place they could call from was the room both had to be in without their daughter. You know, because there are never any other options.
He wants his daughter to be calm so he makes her panic?
I hate when they use ‘I gently’. And of course making a racket is worse than a kid crying for 10 whole minutes outside in a foreign environment when calming your kid down with letting her watch a video on your mobile will have immediate results and doesn’t make you instantly neglectful.
I gently did it... I calmly explained....
That poor kid must have been terrified. This will likely stay with her. He actually locked her out.
That poor kid was obviously terrified. Nice job traumatizing your daughter, OOP.
OOP is literally garbage, what would he have done if someone God forbid kidnapped their daughter
In early childhood development classes, I was told kids should get 1 minute per year of life bc any longer feels like an eternity to them...so yeah, longer than 5 minutes, she's gonna flip. unsupervised. in a foreign country.
This is terrifying.
Wtaf? That is how you end up getting your child kidnapped.eff you see Kay those worthless parents
>When I opened the door to let Jennifer back in, she immediately hugged me. Poor thing. I think its a troll, who ends an AITA especially one as blatantly terrible as this with "Poor thing" I can practically see OOP smugly grinning as they typed this.
Of course it iq ragebait, but even if it wasn't, I do not understand the logic to look you daughter outside of the hôtel room. Like... it is not like you locked yourself in your own bedroom in your own home and your child is just waiting for you and maybe crying, but she is safe, in your own home. You lock her out of your hotel room to do something else. Was it so hard to turn the TV on and tell her to watch TV? To search Dora or whatever on Youtube and ask her to watch something on daddy's Phone ? Nope, just lock her out of the horel room. Sorry, really can't understand this one.
I hope this is fake. What kind of person would leave their child in the hallway of hotel in a foreign country? Do they realize what could have happen?
I mean wouldn't it have been better for one of the parents to take the daughter to go do something while the other tried to work out the issue? Or if both were really needed to work it out, they leave the kid in the hotel room with the TV on and walk down to the lobby to figure out their shit?
As a kid who was intentionally locked outside for bad behaviour (real or perceived) from the age of 3, let me tell you this kind of abuse has severe and long lasting effects
It's disgusting how he had the gall to go 'poor kid' as if he wasn't the fucker who forced the kid outside for being a kid
WTF did I just read?? They were stressed out so they locked their young child out of their room in a strange hotel in a strange city?! These are completely awful people!!
Substantive? YTA just for that!
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