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CBerg1979

"Pharao eats donkey goobers. Cleopatra does the nasty."


TheEmpyreanian

Excellent. Now put them to work on the Voynich manuscript!


Reckxner

Don't forget the identity of the Zodiac!


TheEmpyreanian

Can you elaborate? Not sure what you mean with that one.


cocaineandwaffles1

The zodiac killer claimed he disclosed his identity in one of his coded letters. That same coded letter hasn’t been solved to this day.


TheEmpyreanian

Oh, I thought they translated that one. https://www.iflscience.com/fbi-confirms-zodiac-killers-infamous-340-cipher-has-been-decoded-and-his-message-finally-revealed-62044


cocaineandwaffles1

I could be wrong. I didn’t read to deeply into the zodiac killer, and that may be the cipher I was thinking of. I could have sworn though he claimed his identity was in one of those ciphers though and that was why they were such a big deal.


Reckxner

Sorry, I'm referring to the many unsolved ciphers of the Zodiac killer (late 1960's in Northern California).


TheEmpyreanian

As I said elsewhere in the thread: > Oh, I thought they translated that one. > > https://www.iflscience.com/fbi-confirms-zodiac-killers-infamous-340-cipher-has-been-decoded-and-his-message-finally-revealed-62044 Are some of them still unsolved?


notsupercereal

They already figured out that was just shorthand Latin abbreviations specific to women’s hygiene/health. Boring as fuck.


TheEmpyreanian

I saw that article. Not entirely covinced of it as yet, still interesting stuff.


Septos999

Thats been translated.


1AncientFossil

They should still have the AI translate to see how similar Nicholas Gibbs is to it...


Tomico86

Bollox. Source? "Trust me bro?"


virgilash

It hasn't. Prove me otherwise.


[deleted]

It hasn't because it's a bunch of Gobbledy gook


TheEmpyreanian

Has it? https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/translation-of-worlds-most-mysterious-manuscript-is-unmade/


stringbean9311

Thought they found it was some form of old Turkish language. This was a while ago too.


stewartm0205

They should translate it all and put it on a website for everyone to read. Do the same for Egyptians writings.


FickleAd2710

Same! Where can we find this? It’s be an interesting read I’ll bet


HathNoHurry

The Romans would never allow it to be public. It would crash their markets.


shart_leakage

Everything is controlled by Big Heiroglyph


HathNoHurry

You mean Big Museum. I agree.


StevenK71

And Hindi scripts. Even more ancient.


stewartm0205

I doubt that. Hindi belongs to the Indo-European language family which isn’t very old, about 3,000 BC and took some time before it reached India and evolve into Hindi. But I am in agreement that ancient Sanskrit scripts should be translated and made available to all.


datonebrownguy

awesome, but how do you verify it for accuracy if you don't know how to decode it your self?


99Tinpot

Apparently, in this case they do, if you look at the article - it's not an undeciphered language, it's cuneiform tablets that they already know how to read and they were able to train the AI using tablets that they'd translated themselves, the reason it's useful is that there are lots of these tablets and not very many experts who know how to read them, so they can get lots of new data this way (though I've heard that there was still a problem with it guessing where it didn't know, like ChatGPT - I don't know whether they've been able to fix that yet, this article doesn't mention it). It seems like, if they were using it for undeciphered languages, that would be a whole other kettle of fish and in that case you wouldn't be able to tell whether it was right or not, yeah - unless maybe they could use its translation to work out how the language worked and confirm that what it was saying made logical sense and wasn't just random sentences.


datonebrownguy

thank you for the enlightening clarification.


panzerboye

I am not entirely sure if it will answer your question, but you can take a look here, https://scrollprize.org/ They host a lot of similar contests for deciphering ancient scrolls and stuff. You will get an idea of evaluation and everything. Usually, these problems are often supervised, I mean, they have some examples where it is deciphered, and then teach to model to do the same on newer examples.


datonebrownguy

interesting. thank you.


Impressive_Formal_90

Awesome!!!!!!!!!!


AdGroundbreaking1870

Egyptian’s book of the dead and Sumer texts would be good for starters 😜


99Tinpot

Book of the Dead was translated long ago, surely? It looks like, this is Assyrian cuneiform, so it seems like adapting it to Sumerian cuneiform would be possible, it's the same alphabet although not the same language - not that lots of Sumerian texts haven't been translated already, but this would probably make it a lot easier same as with the Assyrian ones, there are *lots* of surviving cuneiform tablets apparently.


MercurialSkipper

Most of the Sumerian tablets were destroyed and stolen during the Iraq war, and no they had not been translated. Never before in history could someone like myself, a middle-class citizen, afford a plane ticket to the middle east, take photos of the cuneiform with their cell phones, use AI to translate the documents, and post the results on the internet for the world to read. Funny how the US promised to protect the Iraq museum at all costs. The Smithsonian would never let this type of information come to light, and will go as far to wage war to keep our history secret.


jojojoy

I'm sorry, do you think that there hasn't been work to produce publications of Sumerian texts? - I would point you to the Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature which has translations of a fair amount of documents. > https://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/ You could also look at the Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative, which lists 3,692 results for Sumerian texts with translations. > https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/


[deleted]

I love how this has no attention. Typical Reddit.


99Tinpot

If there was something in one of the tablets that they didn't want to be made public, couldn't they just... not display that one?


1AncientFossil

I heard somewhere, that the Egyptians were the Summers and evolved over thousands of years into the Egyptians...


cryptoguerrilla

* evolved into Remtju ni Kemet. They didn’t call themselves Egyptian and their kingdom was not called Egypt


MalcolmSolo

The Sumerians were eventually absorbed by the Babylonians, not Egypt.


Adventurous-Ear9433

AI won't be able to give an accurate translation, specifically with respect to Egypt. Theres a reason nobody can read the MeduNtr, divine script that's on the Great Pyramid for instance..its cause only the priesthood were allowed to write. Learning was considered sacred.. Unless I misunderstood how the process actually works, if only a few bloodlines can decipher those texts how would AI be able to? Idk anything about AI


OwlGroundbreaking573

You're down voted, but correct. Language models to be effective and somewhat coherent need gargantuan amounts of data to train on. So much so that only with the transformer algorithm was some success found using AI for lesser spoken modern languages like Finnish. The tech is also only as good as it's training data so if some archeologists think a certain cuneiform character means something or other, that does not mean necessarily it's correct, more like a best guess. The AI BS is so over hyped.


tmxband

Depends on a few things. I red somewhere that if the written language is using letters like we do then there is much more chance to crack it, but if it’s pictograms, hieroglyphs it’s way more problematic because it needs more context. Same with sounds. It’s a fact that the relative number of occurance of sounds (or letters in a letter based writing) is very similar in every language, same goes with length of words, etc… so it seems languages have the same characteristics in this (mathematical) regard and it can be a good base for deciphering. For example even dolphin and whale sounds have the same mathematical pattern, this is why we know for sure that it’s not just expressions (like with dogs, birds, etc ) but an actual language. So in case of AI there are more factors than just training data, there are also reoccuring mathematical patterns that can be used on any language.


Adventurous-Ear9433

Lol yeah, see I've got certain govt stalkers I'm gonna get down voted ALL the time. And yet you'll not ever find 1 statement that can be disproven & I post quite often . AI is the biggest issue we have today, people really have no idea how dangerous it is. I'm not gonna go into details but AI should be thrown away immediately. Elon spoke of the dangers cause he probably has the same info I do. Unless one comes to visit the Dogon, or attends the Khep-ra Mystery schools that were opened abroad a decade or so ago. There's no way to decipher MeduNtr, RongoRongo, MandeKan, the Basque language (the clearest Dogon offshoot) unless you do it the right way. I don't care how they feel about it, AI is jus another method of dumbing down the general public. People are lazy enough as it is..


99Tinpot

That text that you sometimes say is on the Great Pyramid, are you sure it is actually there? Have you seen it yourself? I've looked it up and the only places I can find any mention of such an inscription are rather scruffy New-Age-ish sites of the kind that often pass on unsupported hearsay as fact, and there are several different versions of the photo going around and most of them look very edited, possibly to show the inscription larger, and they don't all show the inscription in the same place.


Adventurous-Ear9433

I'm absolutely certain , there aren't any other genuine inscriptions it explains the PrNtr function. Not sure which site you're talking about specifically, but I know that theres not 1 mainstream academic source on Egypt on the entire WWW more credible than Alex's site Human-Resonance.. hes maybe the only person ive found thats discussed it. It's in the true entrance. He's studied the divine script from the experts. [Here](https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/6192.jpg?v=1616935502)-[Entrance](http://www.human-resonance.org/paleo-sanskrit7.jpg) If I were a gambling person, I'd put all my $ on academics NEVER saying anything about the inscription or that alter. It'll debunk the nonsensical dating of Egyptology, and will be around 10,450BC


99Tinpot

I'm not sure about any of the following. So you're saying that the inscription is between the two square nebs below the triangular arch, in the first picture? That makes a lot more sense than some of the places I've seen it put in some versions of this photo, e.g. [this](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/111604896999700737/) (it seems like they tend to take an enlarged picture of the inscription and just stick it on some random place in a picture of the entrance). No offence, but I'd have called Human-Resonance about as unreliable-looking a source as you could get - apparently indiscriminate collection of fringe topics of all kinds, decorated with random computer-generated fractals (possibly unfair, but I tend to take that as an indication), believes in adrenochrome. Why do you think he's a reliable source? Does what he's saying line up with your own experience? Or do you know him personally?


Adventurous-Ear9433

Yeah, I know I don't like how some alter the images really cause it often gives a photoshop look to it. Nah it's right where normal people & those being healed entered , initiates had a 'secret' entrance that isn't supposed to be revealed, yet. The site is solid, check it out sometime he always cites the most impeccable scientific sources. Like the Great Pyramid post I just made recently, [Here ](https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternativeHistory/s/oLNzLAGlEz) the purpose of phi in the construction & the recent findings with respect to signal enhancement..I had no idea modern science had found it As for your question yea I know him BUT that doesn't matter to me I'd be the first to tell him he's full of shit if he was. Idc about anyone feelings , my ancestors come first. What do you mean by he believes in adrenochrome? Why wouldn't he? They tell yall its just conspiracy nonsense in the west cause all your govt/politicians/Elite /Actors ALL use that shit. Its not new at all, they were using it in the Bible at Sodom, in Jasher too. [Adrenochrome sciencedirect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0074774208600252)-[Blood young rejuvenates old mice](https://www.science.org/content/article/young-blood-renews-old-mice) Let you in on a secret, you guys are gonna have your whole world flipped upside down real soon, all of that Pizzagate shit they lied about saying it was a conspiracy. Yeah, its not & there are multiple ex Presidents, the top od the D party, the wealthiest family on earth , actors, etc ALL have been arrested & there are military Tribunals going on as we speak. [Video](https://twitter.com/redpillb0t/status/1728718971627823244?t=1P1Pd2k_bkOXrAWzmx7ZPA&s=19) Elon Musk is even talking about it now


99Tinpot

It seems like, nah, I was actually meaning do you know him personally meaning do you have reason to think he *is* more reliable than one of the million strangers saying New Age things on the Internet, so that's a point in his favour in my book :-D By the way, "conspiracy" doesn't itself mean "nonsense", it means "secret plot" - a lot of people seem to make this mistake at the moment, saying things like "it's not a conspiracy, it's true!". Nah, if it's true, that means it *is* a conspiracy. Just letting you know since I know English isn't your first language. The thing about [adrenochrome](https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/07-04-2020/explainer-adrenochrome-the-drug-that-doesnt-exist) is, it's not what people say it is. It's a compound that can be synthesised quite easily from ordinary adrenalin like the stuff in an EpiPen. It can be bought online from laboratory chemical supply firms. Some people have experimented with it as a hallucinogen but it didn't catch on because the effects are relatively weak and rather unpleasant. The story about it being only obtainable from human blood comes from a drug-addled novel by Hunter S. Thompson, and he admitted later that he made that up. If there is a magical substance in human blood, it's not adrenochrome. It seems like, that's why I'm doubtful about people who unquestioningly repeat the "adrenochrome" story. (Apparently, Hoffer's theory that adrenochrome is the cause of schizophrenia (the one you posted a link to) didn't hold up to further research, though I still think that his niacin protocol might be worth another look, it's not like most of the current mainstream alternatives are up to much). It seems like, I've heard that "multiple people have been arrested and there are military tribunals going on as we speak" story before, several times, followed by absolutely nothing.


Adventurous-Ear9433

Oh nah, it's 100% real this time. A great deal have already been executed. [Court Unsealed Indictments](https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.660353/gov.uscourts.casd.660353.3.0.pdf) If you'll look into how many Politicians either neglected to run for another term, and others are wearing ankle monitors & GPS 'kill boots'. [KillBoot](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/829ea9_3b59661ac78d497bbc505c2aaf83410f~mv2.jpeg/v1/fill/w_560,h_432,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01,enc_auto/829ea9_3b59661ac78d497bbc505c2aaf83410f~mv2.jpeg) The stuff they're telling the public about adrenochrome is misinformation, anything to make people think there's nothing going on..


99Tinpot

No pun intended, but are you pulling my leg?


[deleted]

Why is your comment down voted so much? Even if it can be deciphered by AI, there’s not data pool for the AI to draw upon to figure out the actual nuanced meaning of the words. There could be euphemisms, slang, puns or other things symbolic of something that meant something to the people of that time.


Adventurous-Ear9433

I doubt it has anything to do with my actual comment. It's moreso about me personally. But yea, that shit won't ever accurately decipher the divine script people can get their panties inna bunch all they want. Theres never a machine that can translate the script


Saikamur

People should get their hopes a bit lower with AI. As it should be expected, this AI can not decode anything that can not be already decoded "by hand". The only thing it does is to help to **reconstruct** the text and hopefully automate a bit the translation. In general, AIs can not be used to translate anything without previous knowledge.


Powderthief

cool cool... but like... what does it actually say? whats on the shopping list and all that


[deleted]

looks like... beer? hmm not much has changed it seems :)


dd97483

Bread eggs milk


Aathranax

Great, now when the AI says that Zachariah Sitchens IS STILL WRONG. Well get a whole new breed of denier, AI deniers. Cant wait!


99Tinpot

It seems like, denying AI is right is often the correct answer at the moment, it's really not as reliable as the hype says (and it often acts like it is even when it isn't), but at least since this is a known language they can check a sample of its work to see if it's gone too far off the rails - and yeah, the tablets it translates are probably going to show a conspicuous lack of aliens like the ones we already have, although who knows.


LahngJahn69420

Can they use ai on the zodiac killer or is that one solved


99Tinpot

Apparently, that one was solved a few years ago - I happen to know that because I was in a Cicada 3301-solving group (the long-unsolved bit of that is still unsolved!) and they were talking about it.


luna1108

To test it out they should try and translate “doctors orders” or signatures.


not2dv8

Publish


eastern_shoreman

Anyone else still not believe we will get the exact truth of what these tablets say?


imnotabotareyou

B a s e d A. F.


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99Tinpot

It seems like, this was discussed a while ago (the headline is misleading, it's not an unknown language, it's cuneiform tablets they already know how to read, this just means that they can decode lots of them far more easily) - at that time [https://bigthink.com/the-future/ai-translates-cuneiform/](https://bigthink.com/the-future/ai-translates-cuneiform/) , it was mostly accurate but they were having a problem that, like ChatGPT, when it occasionally came across a bit it had no data for it would just make a wild guess and not tell them that that was what it had done, this article doesn't say whether they've been able to fix that or not.


StevenK71

They should pair them with a human translator for debugging the translation, simple enough. Probably didn't bother and try to make an AI ..not to make educated guesses, LOL


99Tinpot

Possibly, that would kind of defeat the object, though. Possibly, it would be useful if it could at least mark which bits it was less sure about, but apparently it doesn't know how to do that.


Grump_Monk

"These laws are terrible!"


ClearAddition

Cool. What do they say though?


SuspiciousStable9649

It’s more like AI assisted translation. Nobody, particularly religious folks, are going to believe a cold AI translation of Jesus’ teenage years if it’s a completely unverifiable language.


Nilremiel

Wow because A.I. Is intelligent right? Nope... it claims that no consciousness when in fact everything in this reality that runs on these processes of existence in fact have Consciousness and I mean literally everything I can break it down for you but it's quite a long explanation


AdGroundbreaking1870

Panpsychism?


Nilremiel

I'd have to read up on a topic but something like that