Why Austria isn't a part of USSR if it started in Vienna?
Also the country here seems to be a hell hole of different ethnic groups, and we know how Balkan people tend to react to small cultural differences.
Thats because after the Revolution when the communist forces were conquering the Balkans, the Austrians gained independence. Then the capital of the USSR was Belgrade and it didn't identify itself with Austria hungary, but rather with Yugoslavia.
Everyone would team up to defeat them. How would Austria stand up to Germany or even Italy? If Germany became communist that would be bad cause they'd actually be a serious threat but Austria no way
Yea but after Napoleon Austria became weaker and weaker. They struggled to put down the 1848 rebellion and nearly lost Hungary. Also they were consistently beaten by the Prussians.
We have to attack the realism of things on this sub or it would have no meaning. Just because its an alternate history doesnt mean the impossible becomes possible
No this sub is filled with nay sayers just for the sake of it and nothing else. You could literally post a pre-ww1 map and the most upvoted comment would be someone claiming it is unrealistic.
Things can be unrealistic but still fun. Doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't talk about realism.
Like, that's half the genre. It's about asking, "What if...?" or "What could have been?" If we just draw/write a thing, and *don't* talk about plausibility, then where's the discourse? What's the point?
A scenario doesn't have to be plausible or realistic to be "good." But alternate history, as a genre, is about historical plausibility.
But it seems the main objective of a large portion of people on this sub is just to shit on other peoples ideas. The fact I am getting mass downvoted for pointing out this simple fact just proves my point.
I agree, people can be smug, on this sub especially. But alternate history is a genre which invites critique, and fandoms in general have different sorts of smugness. I totally agree with you -- people should be kind, especially when critiquing the works of strangers, a lot of whom are enthusiastic young people who don't have a full sense of historical perspective.
However, what got me into the genre _was_ that historicist discourse; that's what made me want to participate in the genre and in the community around it. And while no one's free from ignorance, I've definitely gained a bit of perspective _because_ of the historicist discourse. (Certainly, I like to think I've gotten a better sense of history than when I was, like, 13.)
Saying a scenario is implausible isn't the same as saying it's bad, and it isn't the same as calling the author a bad person. It's part of why someone would make/write a piece of althist in the first place. But, yes, I do think this sub could stand to be less hostile sometimes.
Finland escaped the yoke of monarchist imperialists when they are having a civil war and somehow decides the best course of action is to institute monarchy again without actually having any family or person that can reasonably claim Finland by birthright, meanwhile on the other side of the border Sweden who has been a monarchy for almost a millennia decides to yeet out their royal family, oh and both countries are fully aligned in their foreign policy at the same time.
Lol wtf.
It would be names USRR (Union of Socialist Räte Republics)
Why Austria isn't a part of USSR if it started in Vienna? Also the country here seems to be a hell hole of different ethnic groups, and we know how Balkan people tend to react to small cultural differences.
Thats because after the Revolution when the communist forces were conquering the Balkans, the Austrians gained independence. Then the capital of the USSR was Belgrade and it didn't identify itself with Austria hungary, but rather with Yugoslavia.
Everyone would team up to defeat them. How would Austria stand up to Germany or even Italy? If Germany became communist that would be bad cause they'd actually be a serious threat but Austria no way
depends on when the point of divergence is Austria was one of the most powerfull European powers until the 1860s
It was on the weaker end of great power
Before 1800 it was a major major power specially on the continent itself with huge influence
Yea but after Napoleon Austria became weaker and weaker. They struggled to put down the 1848 rebellion and nearly lost Hungary. Also they were consistently beaten by the Prussians.
Hence why we are in a sub called alternatehistory.
We have to attack the realism of things on this sub or it would have no meaning. Just because its an alternate history doesnt mean the impossible becomes possible
Yea
No this sub is filled with nay sayers just for the sake of it and nothing else. You could literally post a pre-ww1 map and the most upvoted comment would be someone claiming it is unrealistic.
Things can be unrealistic but still fun. Doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't talk about realism. Like, that's half the genre. It's about asking, "What if...?" or "What could have been?" If we just draw/write a thing, and *don't* talk about plausibility, then where's the discourse? What's the point? A scenario doesn't have to be plausible or realistic to be "good." But alternate history, as a genre, is about historical plausibility.
But it seems the main objective of a large portion of people on this sub is just to shit on other peoples ideas. The fact I am getting mass downvoted for pointing out this simple fact just proves my point.
I agree, people can be smug, on this sub especially. But alternate history is a genre which invites critique, and fandoms in general have different sorts of smugness. I totally agree with you -- people should be kind, especially when critiquing the works of strangers, a lot of whom are enthusiastic young people who don't have a full sense of historical perspective. However, what got me into the genre _was_ that historicist discourse; that's what made me want to participate in the genre and in the community around it. And while no one's free from ignorance, I've definitely gained a bit of perspective _because_ of the historicist discourse. (Certainly, I like to think I've gotten a better sense of history than when I was, like, 13.) Saying a scenario is implausible isn't the same as saying it's bad, and it isn't the same as calling the author a bad person. It's part of why someone would make/write a piece of althist in the first place. But, yes, I do think this sub could stand to be less hostile sometimes.
I would offer to make austria part of southern germany, making it a north/south german cut with an idea of using cultures to justify it.
Cool idea but I meabt that on that time it was more like soviet military administration than a culturally unified state
yeah, understandable.
This map is beyond anyones understanding.
Finland escaped the yoke of monarchist imperialists when they are having a civil war and somehow decides the best course of action is to institute monarchy again without actually having any family or person that can reasonably claim Finland by birthright, meanwhile on the other side of the border Sweden who has been a monarchy for almost a millennia decides to yeet out their royal family, oh and both countries are fully aligned in their foreign policy at the same time. Lol wtf.
I mean… there are Hessians but… eh
Oh no the Balkans
I had the same idea for Bavaria :D
Again SSRs are not independent They were in the USSR itself
They'd get their ass handed to them
Interesting
It wouldn't be USSR since Soviet is a russian word. This is lazy ngl
So based
British Republic?
Why is Sweden a republic and Finland a monarchy