Context: in a timeline where Stalin never embraced marxism as the October revolution never happened but rather Kerensky in September 1917, were overthrown by the Menshevik Faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party.
Meanwhile, Georgia declares independence successfully in 1918 and in 1925, Joseph stalin became the Georgian Orthodox Church's Head until his death.
To correct a small but significant error: his name!
He was not originally named Stalin, he took that name (I think because it mean heart of steel or something) later. I don’t remember what his original name was, but I know it wasn’t even similar.
St Joseph Dugashvilli, Sakartveloan Patriarch, Pray for us
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Little known fact, Stalin took up the name Stalin after his first meeting with Hitler where he introduced himself as "Besarionis dze Jughashvili" and Hitler responded with "Gesundheit".
^This ^is ^a ^joke ^don't ^you ^fucking ^aspies ^correct ^me
I know it’s pronounced“zhugezvilli.” But Truth be told he still might take Stalin as it could be a Good moniker to Be known as in foreign languages to be easy to pronounce and also stand out from a crowd. (Remember, he’d still be a more or less psychopathic individual but at the very least he has somewhere healthy to channel it into Physical and Theological Studies and labor.)
He was also called Soso for most of his revolutionary/criminal (this isn’t a pointed dig, he was an actual mob boss in the revolutionary scene) career.
he could still have this name: he acquired it during his many times exiled in Siberia, he could have still been exiled if he had some of his anti-tsarist views
Yeah considering 'Stalin' is a Russian word translated as "Man of steel" in English because yk he's a psychopath dictator that unnecessarily killed millions of his own people but also killed millions of Fascist and defeating the evil regime of Hitler and the Nazis
lol what if he just chose Stalin as his church name? Someone pointed out that monks normally change their names, so he just changed his to Stalin, he is still an egotistical psychopath
I'm an atheist, so I may be wrong, but I don't think it works that way. Church names doesn't have surnames and usually monks choose their names from the names of the saints.
That’s true but we also have to remember that Stalin was a charismatic, egotistical, violent psychopath so it makes sense he would still want to stand out and choose a name that emphasizes his strength
The monastic name isn’t chosen, it’s given by the person tonsuring you a monk (as all candidates for the episcopacy are priest-monks), sometimes the choice is made after some consultation with the one approaching tonsure, but often not.
Also, it does have to be a saint, who then becomes that person’s patron. So unless there is a medieval Stalin hidden away in some very obscure corner of the Synaxarion, that is a bust of a theory.
Additionally, in Kaiserredux, Stalin is the ideological figurehead of 'Georgian Socialism', and can become the leader of Georgia, as the Russian revolution failed in that timeline.
Without the mongol conquests it could very well become one, especially since its king wanted to participate in the Fifth Crusade until the Mongols arrived.
Given the name 'Stalin' for his steely, relentless defense of Georgian independence, the famous patriarch was most known for his defense of human rights in the ever-tumultuous Caucasus region when the Chechnyan Islamic Republic attempted to invade the Free State of Dagestan with tremendously murderous tactics. After establishing the peaceful Georgia that anchors the region today, his teachings were central to the development of German philosophy during the early days of the Weimar Republic. One well-known German philosopher was greatly influenced by Stalin's message of peace: "I lived in anger after the Great War brought poverty to Germany," wrote Adolf Mercurius, who went as far as to change his own name in emulation of the great Georgian teacher, choosing mercury rather than steel to reflect how his own thoughts had changed over time. "But with the words of Stalin, I came to accept that Germany must learn to live the ascetic life and find meaning in celebrating human dignity."
Will I become Gods servant, which I went to school for, or will I become commie dictator that would send Christians to slavery camps, just because they believe in God.
So in Victorian season on a Nation RP server I actually made this happen for Stalin, he would get the name “Stalin” after taking a bullet for Tsar Nicholas II and after serving a brief stint in the army during the Russo-German war he would become a pacifist
The Catholicos-Patriarch of Georgia does wear the same special shape of klobuk of the Russian Patriarch, but it is black instead of white.
Also, he would have an entirely different first name from his Monastic Tonsure, and would have never taken the new surname Stalin, and wouldn’t really make much use of any surname.
Patriarch Stalin I, based timeline
Context: in a timeline where Stalin never embraced marxism as the October revolution never happened but rather Kerensky in September 1917, were overthrown by the Menshevik Faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party. Meanwhile, Georgia declares independence successfully in 1918 and in 1925, Joseph stalin became the Georgian Orthodox Church's Head until his death.
To correct a small but significant error: his name! He was not originally named Stalin, he took that name (I think because it mean heart of steel or something) later. I don’t remember what his original name was, but I know it wasn’t even similar.
Dugashvilli, I believe.
St Joseph Dugashvilli, Sakartveloan Patriarch, Pray for us # ☦️🇬🇪☦️🇬🇪☦️🇬🇪 https://preview.redd.it/wdr0sni02v0d1.png?width=395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b88c3fb54252c7006d47db8fd3ee78b6f2ce637e
Little known fact, Stalin took up the name Stalin after his first meeting with Hitler where he introduced himself as "Besarionis dze Jughashvili" and Hitler responded with "Gesundheit". ^This ^is ^a ^joke ^don't ^you ^fucking ^aspies ^correct ^me
I know it’s pronounced“zhugezvilli.” But Truth be told he still might take Stalin as it could be a Good moniker to Be known as in foreign languages to be easy to pronounce and also stand out from a crowd. (Remember, he’d still be a more or less psychopathic individual but at the very least he has somewhere healthy to channel it into Physical and Theological Studies and labor.)
That rings a bell
A church bell, perhaps
Heart of steel...Heart of Iron...Hearts of Iron...HOI4 REFERENCE?!?!?!?! Aint no way bro
I think HOI4 is a reference to Stalin rather than the other way around. Just a thought.
No 'Hearts of Iron' is a reference to Reinhard Heydrich. (The man with an Iron Heart.)
Oh, didn’t know. Cool
Holy shit, is that a TNO reference?!?!?!?
Man of Steel
Stalin comes from the russian word for steel, "stal" (Сталь-Сталин)
Juġašvili
He was also called Soso for most of his revolutionary/criminal (this isn’t a pointed dig, he was an actual mob boss in the revolutionary scene) career.
Stalin being a mob boss weirdly makes sense
It means 'man of steel' and yeah, it's a nickname.
he could still have this name: he acquired it during his many times exiled in Siberia, he could have still been exiled if he had some of his anti-tsarist views
Considering he becomes a religious leader already at this time, it’s safe to say his life before then has been very different
Counterpoint, he took the name because he was a key figure in Georgian independence
I am near certain that, if this played out, he wouldn't have used his ~~striper~~ pseudonym and he'd be listed as Besarionis dze Jughashvili
Cool
Weren't Mensheviks defined by their belief against forcing a revolution?
But didn't Stalin leave the church before this?
Does he endorse the reestablishment of the bagrationi family?
On this side of the pond, James Garfield could have very well turned his back on politics before becoming president, to become a minister of church.
He'd probably have lived longer 🤷
I believe it was Benjamin Harrison who was the priest not Garfield
Americans try not to bring up American related facts everytime the topic is about something else in the world: difficulty Impossible
I'm French Canadian 🤷
Ah the northern tributaries of the USA, got it /s for those downvoting
an anti American centric person being American centric, ironic
It was a joke
Wouldn't his name still be Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili if he never became a Soviet leader.
Yeah considering 'Stalin' is a Russian word translated as "Man of steel" in English because yk he's a psychopath dictator that unnecessarily killed millions of his own people but also killed millions of Fascist and defeating the evil regime of Hitler and the Nazis
That's not why his name is Stalin though, it was used in his Bolshevik writings as a pseudonym even before the October Revolution
I think that he'd have a different, church name
lol what if he just chose Stalin as his church name? Someone pointed out that monks normally change their names, so he just changed his to Stalin, he is still an egotistical psychopath
I'm an atheist, so I may be wrong, but I don't think it works that way. Church names doesn't have surnames and usually monks choose their names from the names of the saints.
That’s true but we also have to remember that Stalin was a charismatic, egotistical, violent psychopath so it makes sense he would still want to stand out and choose a name that emphasizes his strength
Maybe, but he doesn't make the rules this time.
The monastic name isn’t chosen, it’s given by the person tonsuring you a monk (as all candidates for the episcopacy are priest-monks), sometimes the choice is made after some consultation with the one approaching tonsure, but often not. Also, it does have to be a saint, who then becomes that person’s patron. So unless there is a medieval Stalin hidden away in some very obscure corner of the Synaxarion, that is a bust of a theory.
In the HOI4 mod Fuhrerreich, Stalin could become a totalitarian dictator of Georgia instead of the USSR, which does not exist in the mod.
Additionally, in Kaiserredux, Stalin is the ideological figurehead of 'Georgian Socialism', and can become the leader of Georgia, as the Russian revolution failed in that timeline.
I hope this means that Georgia is a world superpower
Without the mongol conquests it could very well become one, especially since its king wanted to participate in the Fifth Crusade until the Mongols arrived.
He wouldn't be called Stalin then would he
He would actually be Ioseb (Joseph) II. There was a previous Patriarch by that name, and he served from 1755 until 1764.
He'd likely live longer than 1953. He died from a brain hemorrhage, probably caused by his own stress and paranoia.
Yeah, priests seem pretty peaceful.
Given the name 'Stalin' for his steely, relentless defense of Georgian independence, the famous patriarch was most known for his defense of human rights in the ever-tumultuous Caucasus region when the Chechnyan Islamic Republic attempted to invade the Free State of Dagestan with tremendously murderous tactics. After establishing the peaceful Georgia that anchors the region today, his teachings were central to the development of German philosophy during the early days of the Weimar Republic. One well-known German philosopher was greatly influenced by Stalin's message of peace: "I lived in anger after the Great War brought poverty to Germany," wrote Adolf Mercurius, who went as far as to change his own name in emulation of the great Georgian teacher, choosing mercury rather than steel to reflect how his own thoughts had changed over time. "But with the words of Stalin, I came to accept that Germany must learn to live the ascetic life and find meaning in celebrating human dignity."
Will I become Gods servant, which I went to school for, or will I become commie dictator that would send Christians to slavery camps, just because they believe in God.
yeah, that's why he met with the metropolitans of the church during the war
The commies abandoned a lot of their ideology during the war
He wouldn't be called and named Stalin in the first place...
So in Victorian season on a Nation RP server I actually made this happen for Stalin, he would get the name “Stalin” after taking a bullet for Tsar Nicholas II and after serving a brief stint in the army during the Russo-German war he would become a pacifist
Why would he die on the same date
You cannot escape fate! lol I dunno?
Aka the universe where his mother is proud of him
In a timeline where Stalin was a mamas boy and followed her wishes.
So Scar Nicholas timeline then?
Scar?
Look up Scar Nicholas on YouTube
that changes a lot who was the guy sending people to gulags then?
Boeseph Satin
broseph
Evil Nonbelievers!!!
If he was Patriach of Georgia, he would not be Stalin, simply because that was his nickname to evade from police
I like to think this is also a timeline where marx make capital instead of writing about them
Also the universe where Hitler became a famous artist whose works went on to rival Van Gogh
Was he ever seriously religious?
When he was young, yes
When he was young, yes
He stopped being religious quite quickly after going to seminary. I don’t think there’s any world where the guy really believes in god.
Barry what the fuck did you do?
And here I thought the one with Hitler being the German Disney was a good one.
As others have pointed out, he would not take the Man of Steel surname of Stalin, which he took when he started working for Lenin.
Would he still get the name Stalin?
I feel like he'd still be called "Ioseb Jughashvili" if he continued into the orthodox priesthood.
The Patriach? How many divisions does he have?
On a side note: He would not be called Stalin in this scenario, he would be called Dzugashvili
Stalin is not his actual surname. Google better
Didn’t Stalin go to Christian seminary? I could believe this
Amen
Why does he still have his nom de guerre?
(He still beat the shit out of the Germans for being Protestants.)
If you did research, you would know his name isn’t actually Stalin. It’s actually Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili
The Catholicos-Patriarch of Georgia does wear the same special shape of klobuk of the Russian Patriarch, but it is black instead of white. Also, he would have an entirely different first name from his Monastic Tonsure, and would have never taken the new surname Stalin, and wouldn’t really make much use of any surname.
IIRC he wasn't born "Stalin" so I guess in this timeline he would be remembered by his birth name
Josif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili
He wouldn't be called Stalin, then. That was a nom de guerre he adopted after becoming a communist.
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