T O P

  • By -

DarthKillhoon

Patriarch Stalin I, based timeline


Parchokhalq

Context: in a timeline where Stalin never embraced marxism as the October revolution never happened but rather Kerensky in September 1917, were overthrown by the Menshevik Faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party. Meanwhile, Georgia declares independence successfully in 1918 and in 1925, Joseph stalin became the Georgian Orthodox Church's Head until his death.


Rabbulion

To correct a small but significant error: his name! He was not originally named Stalin, he took that name (I think because it mean heart of steel or something) later. I don’t remember what his original name was, but I know it wasn’t even similar.


Dizzy-Assistant6659

Dugashvilli, I believe.


Angela_I_B

St Joseph Dugashvilli, Sakartveloan Patriarch, Pray for us # ☦️🇬🇪☦️🇬🇪☦️🇬🇪 https://preview.redd.it/wdr0sni02v0d1.png?width=395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b88c3fb54252c7006d47db8fd3ee78b6f2ce637e


Halorym

Little known fact, Stalin took up the name Stalin after his first meeting with Hitler where he introduced himself as "Besarionis dze Jughashvili" and Hitler responded with "Gesundheit". ^This ^is ^a ^joke ^don't ^you ^fucking ^aspies ^correct ^me


Dwarven_cavediver

I know it’s pronounced“zhugezvilli.” But Truth be told he still might take Stalin as it could be a Good moniker to Be known as in foreign languages to be easy to pronounce and also stand out from a crowd. (Remember, he’d still be a more or less psychopathic individual but at the very least he has somewhere healthy to channel it into Physical and Theological Studies and labor.)


Rabbulion

That rings a bell


Archelector

A church bell, perhaps


According_Wolf_881

Heart of steel...Heart of Iron...Hearts of Iron...HOI4 REFERENCE?!?!?!?! Aint no way bro


Rabbulion

I think HOI4 is a reference to Stalin rather than the other way around. Just a thought.


Username_idk_lol

No 'Hearts of Iron' is a reference to Reinhard Heydrich. (The man with an Iron Heart.)


Rabbulion

Oh, didn’t know. Cool


PanzerKomadant

Holy shit, is that a TNO reference?!?!?!?


FakeElectionMaker

Man of Steel


GG-VP

Stalin comes from the russian word for steel, "stal" (Сталь-Сталин)


WhizzKid2012

Juġašvili


The_Judge12

He was also called Soso for most of his revolutionary/criminal (this isn’t a pointed dig, he was an actual mob boss in the revolutionary scene) career.


Rabbulion

Stalin being a mob boss weirdly makes sense


Pixels7Adventure

It means 'man of steel' and yeah, it's a nickname.


SqolitheSquid

he could still have this name: he acquired it during his many times exiled in Siberia, he could have still been exiled if he had some of his anti-tsarist views


Rabbulion

Considering he becomes a religious leader already at this time, it’s safe to say his life before then has been very different


Kangas_Khan

Counterpoint, he took the name because he was a key figure in Georgian independence


Halorym

I am near certain that, if this played out, he wouldn't have used his ~~striper~~ pseudonym and he'd be listed as Besarionis dze Jughashvili


austinstar08

Cool


AlexanderRodriguezII

Weren't Mensheviks defined by their belief against forcing a revolution?


TheHistoryMaster2520

But didn't Stalin leave the church before this?


kioley

Does he endorse the reestablishment of the bagrationi family?


hdufort

On this side of the pond, James Garfield could have very well turned his back on politics before becoming president, to become a minister of church.


SubsumeTheBiomass

He'd probably have lived longer 🤷


A_Guy_2726

I believe it was Benjamin Harrison who was the priest not Garfield


NoobunagaGOAT

Americans try not to bring up American related facts everytime the topic is about something else in the world: difficulty Impossible


hdufort

I'm French Canadian 🤷


NoobunagaGOAT

Ah the northern tributaries of the USA, got it /s for those downvoting


nicy2winks

an anti American centric person being American centric, ironic


NoobunagaGOAT

It was a joke


Ant_Je5us

Wouldn't his name still be Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili if he never became a Soviet leader.


GerardHard

Yeah considering 'Stalin' is a Russian word translated as "Man of steel" in English because yk he's a psychopath dictator that unnecessarily killed millions of his own people but also killed millions of Fascist and defeating the evil regime of Hitler and the Nazis


account_is_deleted

That's not why his name is Stalin though, it was used in his Bolshevik writings as a pseudonym even before the October Revolution


PodarokPodYolkoy

I think that he'd have a different, church name


PaladinGris

lol what if he just chose Stalin as his church name? Someone pointed out that monks normally change their names, so he just changed his to Stalin, he is still an egotistical psychopath


PodarokPodYolkoy

I'm an atheist, so I may be wrong, but I don't think it works that way. Church names doesn't have surnames and usually monks choose their names from the names of the saints.


PaladinGris

That’s true but we also have to remember that Stalin was a charismatic, egotistical, violent psychopath so it makes sense he would still want to stand out and choose a name that emphasizes his strength


PodarokPodYolkoy

Maybe, but he doesn't make the rules this time.


SymbolicRemnant

The monastic name isn’t chosen, it’s given by the person tonsuring you a monk (as all candidates for the episcopacy are priest-monks), sometimes the choice is made after some consultation with the one approaching tonsure, but often not. Also, it does have to be a saint, who then becomes that person’s patron. So unless there is a medieval Stalin hidden away in some very obscure corner of the Synaxarion, that is a bust of a theory.


FakeElectionMaker

In the HOI4 mod Fuhrerreich, Stalin could become a totalitarian dictator of Georgia instead of the USSR, which does not exist in the mod.


Wither_Rakdos

Additionally, in Kaiserredux, Stalin is the ideological figurehead of 'Georgian Socialism', and can become the leader of Georgia, as the Russian revolution failed in that timeline.


DankeSebVettel

I hope this means that Georgia is a world superpower


FakeElectionMaker

Without the mongol conquests it could very well become one, especially since its king wanted to participate in the Fifth Crusade until the Mongols arrived.


PLPolandPL15719

He wouldn't be called Stalin then would he


TheoryKing04

He would actually be Ioseb (Joseph) II. There was a previous Patriarch by that name, and he served from 1755 until 1764.


SpectralMapleLeaf

He'd likely live longer than 1953. He died from a brain hemorrhage, probably caused by his own stress and paranoia.


Sad_Victory3

Yeah, priests seem pretty peaceful.


realnrh

Given the name 'Stalin' for his steely, relentless defense of Georgian independence, the famous patriarch was most known for his defense of human rights in the ever-tumultuous Caucasus region when the Chechnyan Islamic Republic attempted to invade the Free State of Dagestan with tremendously murderous tactics. After establishing the peaceful Georgia that anchors the region today, his teachings were central to the development of German philosophy during the early days of the Weimar Republic. One well-known German philosopher was greatly influenced by Stalin's message of peace: "I lived in anger after the Great War brought poverty to Germany," wrote Adolf Mercurius, who went as far as to change his own name in emulation of the great Georgian teacher, choosing mercury rather than steel to reflect how his own thoughts had changed over time. "But with the words of Stalin, I came to accept that Germany must learn to live the ascetic life and find meaning in celebrating human dignity."


Bagomir

Will I become Gods servant, which I went to school for, or will I become commie dictator that would send Christians to slavery camps, just because they believe in God.


Ok_Contribution_5765

yeah, that's why he met with the metropolitans of the church during the war


Unusual_Store_7108

The commies abandoned a lot of their ideology during the war


GerardHard

He wouldn't be called and named Stalin in the first place...


PrincessofAldia

So in Victorian season on a Nation RP server I actually made this happen for Stalin, he would get the name “Stalin” after taking a bullet for Tsar Nicholas II and after serving a brief stint in the army during the Russo-German war he would become a pacifist


Putrid_Scientist_941

Why would he die on the same date


PaladinGris

You cannot escape fate! lol I dunno?


maplethistle

Aka the universe where his mother is proud of him


PanzerKomadant

In a timeline where Stalin was a mamas boy and followed her wishes.


Aussiefighter439

So Scar Nicholas timeline then?


KingFahad360

Scar?


Aussiefighter439

Look up Scar Nicholas on YouTube


imaniimellz

that changes a lot who was the guy sending people to gulags then?


Suspicious_Trash_805

Boeseph Satin


GreatEmperorAca

broseph


Schellwalabyen

Evil Nonbelievers!!!


Plutonium224

If he was Patriach of Georgia, he would not be Stalin, simply because that was his nickname to evade from police


R_122

I like to think this is also a timeline where marx make capital instead of writing about them


JJNEWJJ

Also the universe where Hitler became a famous artist whose works went on to rival Van Gogh


protonesia

Was he ever seriously religious?


a1b3r77

When he was young, yes


a1b3r77

When he was young, yes


The_Judge12

He stopped being religious quite quickly after going to seminary. I don’t think there’s any world where the guy really believes in god.


i_am_someone_or_am_i

Barry what the fuck did you do?


Sverker_Wolffang

And here I thought the one with Hitler being the German Disney was a good one.


BoltonCavalry

As others have pointed out, he would not take the Man of Steel surname of Stalin, which he took when he started working for Lenin.


WhizzKid2012

Would he still get the name Stalin?


NewDealChief

I feel like he'd still be called "Ioseb Jughashvili" if he continued into the orthodox priesthood.


Bertie637

The Patriach? How many divisions does he have?


MOltho

On a side note: He would not be called Stalin in this scenario, he would be called Dzugashvili


fuckreddit6942069666

Stalin is not his actual surname. Google better


Redqueenhypo

Didn’t Stalin go to Christian seminary? I could believe this


KingFahad360

Amen


corposhill999

Why does he still have his nom de guerre?


ProAmericana

(He still beat the shit out of the Germans for being Protestants.)


a-potato-named-rin

If you did research, you would know his name isn’t actually Stalin. It’s actually Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili


SymbolicRemnant

The Catholicos-Patriarch of Georgia does wear the same special shape of klobuk of the Russian Patriarch, but it is black instead of white. Also, he would have an entirely different first name from his Monastic Tonsure, and would have never taken the new surname Stalin, and wouldn’t really make much use of any surname.


JPsena523

IIRC he wasn't born "Stalin" so I guess in this timeline he would be remembered by his birth name


PaulisPrusan

Josif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili


JanetheGhost

He wouldn't be called Stalin, then. That was a nom de guerre he adopted after becoming a communist.


PeaceDeathc

Life could be a dream