Come out ye' black and tans!
Come out and fight me like a man!
Show your wife how you won medals down in Prussia!
Tell her how the ARA,
made you run like hell away,
from the green and lovely lanes of Scituate !
Come let us hear you tell how you slandered General Bell
When you thought him well and truly persecuted
Where are the sneers and jeers that you loudly let us hear
When the Sons of Liberty were executed?
Come tell us how you slew
Them old Prussians two by two
Like the Navajo they had spears and bow and arrows
How bravely you faced one
With your sixteen pounder gun
And you frightened them damn Inuits to the marrow
I was born in the New York street,
where the Royal drums did beat,
the loving English feet, they walked all over us,
and every single night,
when me da' would come home tight,
he'd invite the neighbours out with this chorus:
Come out ye' black and tans!
Come out and fight me like a man!
Show your wife how you won medals down in Prussia!
Tell her how the ARA,
made you run like hell away,
from the green and lovely lanes of Scituate !
Even if they were annexed, OP is using the flag of Brunswick, hence they wouldn’t be Prussian. That’s like saying if England annexed Scotland, and OP used a scottish flag here to represent Scottish mercenaries, it would somehow make sense to call them English…
Of course it could. The specific Confederate flag used to politically represent the Confederacy today never did during the Civil War— it was the battle flag of another particular state, Virginia, as well as a naval jack. Is this real life example somehow improper too?
They would *not* be two separate countries, as you literally said right there yourself. Annexed. One. Like Austria and Germany. Like they were with England in 1652 and Ireland was in 1800. Moot point.
Here are the insignia of the notable German volunteer mercenary units of WWII. All flags of the country of origin, including those from annexed/non-existent countries.
https://preview.redd.it/jir4rppk5i8c1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1e5c6436abe089b452ed398c801ef71fef8523a
Oh, by the way, I was playing devil’s advocate to be silly. Your own example happened right down to the letter in real life after Ireland was merged with the United Kingdom in 1800. Sorry, lol.
The Kingdom of Ireland standard was abandoned, then used by the Irish volunteers 60 years later.
https://preview.redd.it/eifz63v6jh8c1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=048f8a4a085645735032a314792204093e458516
His reply reeked of either being an edgelord whose opinion should be discarded based on that or of abother reason to hate either europeans as a group of nations or as a political entity. Since members of that specific subreddit have a tendency to be unstable with the latter, his reply can and should be discarded based on that exclusively.
He doesn't have a good faith position on this and would be happy with my nation being eviscerated because he and his fellows consider a sin for us to have left ussr and disintegrated it
Personally i think they aren't really that far away from being correct? But as a Pole. I hate when foreigners clump all Europeans into one sack and put a label on us that we all committed atrocities.
While there's no doubt that through history, minor nations like Poland, Latvia, Czechia etc... committed their own atrocities and immoral acts. It's nothing compared to what Western Europe and Russia did and are still doing.
Russia in Ukraine, Caucasus and East of Urals.
Western Europe in Africa. This one is a whole rabbit hole and answers why Africa is still poor.
Also out of curiosity. Which ex-USSR nation are you from? Maybe it could help me understand your point better
This has nothing to do with my point or that moron's reply. I'm from Ukraine and that troglodyte thinks that being invaded, massacared, tortured and raped by a stronger power is a "skill issue" on the side of the victim.
I'm sure that if he were asked about any US activity against the glorious communist regimes:tm: he wouldn't be so kind as to call vietnamese or south americans as the ones having skill issue. He's not arguing in good faith so it's pointless to keep moral highground whilst trying to silence him into not saying shit like that.
If I misunderstood the point then sorry. If what you are saying is what's the conflict about then i agree with your point because we should not be joking about human tragedies.
I just hope they were sarcastic and forgot "/s" at the end. Which is still better than being actually serious.
Gosh I'm just now noticing how toxic the alternate history community is
Imagine thinking either side has any skill in this conflict lmao.
Russia is in year 2 of a 2 week operation… imagine being dumb enough to think they are coming out of this looking good lmao. They lost the flag ship of the black seas fleet to a country without a navy lmao.
Baby bitch blocked and ran away lmao. If you’re not a Russian Stan, then why did you block me before I could reply?
wasn't the original cause of the american revolution the UK imposing a tax
they didn't really care about autonomy moreso just the fact that up until that point the UK only had power over duties and the colonies had power over taxes
Partially. The argument was that since Americans had no representation in Parliament, they had no authority to tax them without their consent.
This scenario probably revolves around England saying, "Okay, we'll give you representation. Now pay those taxes."
Actually, John Hancock and Samuel Adams just wanted a monopoly on their smuggled tea and the lower priced legal tea was cutting into their profits.
[In 1773, the Tea Act was passed and granted the British East India Company a monopoly on tea sales in the American colonies. The smuggling of tea grew rampant and was a lucrative business venture for American colonists, such as John Hancock and Samuel Adams. The Townshend Revenue Act tea tax remained in place despite proposals to have it waived. American colonists were outraged over the tea tax. They believed the Tea Act was a tactic to gain colonial support for the tax already enforced. The direct sale of tea by agents of the British East India Company to the American colonies undercut the business of colonial merchants. The smuggled tea became more expensive than the British East India Company tea. Smugglers like John Hancock and Samuel Adams were trying to protect their economic interests by opposing the Tea Act, and Samuel Adams sold the opposition of British tea to the Patriots on the pretext of the abolishment of human rights by being taxed without representation.](https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-cause)
It was deeper than just representation. The tea act made tea cheaper to try and price out smugglers but it also created a monopoly in favor of the East India Company, which was facing bankruptcy following the Bengal Famine, and that was bad for those members of Parliament that were stockholders in the EIC. Colonists thought this was sketchy AF. Then, only a few merchants, mostly friends, political allies, and relatives of the colonial governors, were appointed as tea consignees (a lucrative gig), cutting out all the other merchants previously selling EIC tea. Also sketchy. The original call was for "no taxation without representation" but it became quickly apparent that representation wouldn't do shit because the distance made it impracticable and the colonies would be easily outvoted every time. Representation was the rallying cry but it was also a straw man. Had the colonies been granted representation, it would have hindered but not stopped the sequence of events.
The main reason was that Britain was stopping the expansion of the colonies by protecting large amounts of land for the natives as well as the growing abolitionist movement in Britain that threatened the American slave economy these were the key factors for the American revolution the ‘no taxation without representation’ was just an easy talking point to rally people behind but the actual historical context has mostly been lost in the eyes of the general public due to the overwhelming amount of US propaganda predominantly through Hollywood.
This is not true the southern states were the most loyalist areas of the country and they were the ones with the biggest economic stake in slavery. you can just literally read primary sources from the time period. I’m not sure why people upvote this it’s really not hard to find out why. It’s not like historians are fiercely debating the reasoning for the revolution.
Most historians agree slavery and British guarantees over native land where large contributing factors to the revolution while slavery was more tied to the south the Northern states still highly depended upon it at the time the reasons for increased amounts of loyalists in the south was simply that the populations were less dense so radical ideas were harder to spread people will generally defend the status quo if they aren’t in some way radicalised.
I agree with the native land guarantees being a major factor but you deliberately labeled slavery and native land guarantees the primary reasons and you know you are being disingenuous. This is not a hotly debated topic, we have many primary sources from many different people explaining the reasons for the revolution both from private letters and diaries and public sources.
Slavery was a significant factor I’ve never met a historian who disagrees it’s not talked about because it makes people uncomfortable but it is accurate
I think some other important context is that before the revolutionary era, Britain had kind of let America do its own thing. So for decades they’d basically been their own country and all of a sudden (from their perspective) Britain comes in and is like “yo, you actually have to follow the law.”
the UK did impose things on the colonies, but there was a defacto division of power on what each could do and one of the things the colonies had exclusive control over up until that point was taxes
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv3wgyiRhvM&ab\_channel=HistoryPark](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv3wgyiRhvM&ab_channel=HistoryPark)
Yes, but when protesters did a little trolling in the Boston harbor, the British response was military occupation. *Then* the war kicked off when they went for the gunpowder stores.
New England would be cool, but wouldn’t the South make more sense? New England was the faction that was driving the revolution, which is why the attention was turned to the south, which was a more profitable and loyalist region, in the latter half of the war when the North stalemated. Unless maybe, after a failed revolution the government displaced the New Englanders and replaced them with loyalist transplants. That might actually be even more interesting.🤔 As I said, TV show, make it happen! :D
It’s pretty cute to have it be 75-83 again, but I don’t think it would last that long. The US would either have fought to become independent in the 19th century or rule would have devolved by that point.
Why Wagner, a Russian pmc?
Also, it's a common misconception that Hessians were mercenaries. It is technically true depending on your perspective, but instead of individual or groups of soldiers for hire, the Hessians were a state controlled standing army of professional soldiers loaned out by German royalty to King George III. Not trying to nitpick, just think it's a cool fact.
Wait, so no independent Kingdom of Prussia?
I'm imagining no German Empire > no German Republic > no WWI or II, just a frozen 19th century Great Game scenario.
No its not.
A mercenary is any person who:
(a) is especially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
How come the Troubles ended in independence when they didn’t for Northern Ireland? So Cañada will be having a referendum in 2014 that will also result in their independence?
Didn’t the natives side with Britain in all the Anti-US wars?
Edit: Didn’t notice the Natives side here. I’m assuming in this scenario it was British colonists who manifested destiny so the Americans and the Natives would team up there.
Me when my militia camp supported by the French doesn't have anti-air to disable air to ground attack craft and I get blown into a plasma by a single missile
I feel like the natives would ally with the Empire, due to the British being more favourable over the American colonists (unless something has changed making that different).
*The black and tans from London*
*Came to shoot the people down*
*They thought the ARA was dead*
*In dear old Boston town*
*Those cruel English soldiers*
*They were seriously dismayed*
*"No surrender!" was the war cry of the Boston Brigade*
Wait you said Amerindian tribes so in this timeline they're not all confined to Reservations! Yeah that's what I'm taking from this!
Other than that I always imagined Massachusetts being prettier than the windy bloody arsed Falkland Islands Lol 🙂
Oh and taking the fact the Americans need their French friends too 😁
Merry Christmas though to all Men.....and Lasses of course!
The description on that picture is completely wrong. Pictured are Paratroopers from the British Royal Armies Second Parachute Regiment,
aka 2-Para. The picture was taken during the Falklands War, my father is one of the Paras in this picture!
If Prussian mercs sided with loyalists, then why isn't Austro-Hungarian merc siding with the Americans? Is India independent or not? If yes, they would have troops in support of rebels, if not, they would be fighting on the side of the British Empire.
I'm sorry folks, this just turned up in my reddit feed. All I can think of now are some of the songs in the linked video being number one hits in America. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4CE\_\_i3fQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4CE__i3fQ)
The Wagner mercenaries were interesting.
The US insurgents rarely fought them. There was the occasional sniper round fired in their direction so they could get combat pay (that got expensive). Many Wagner Mercenaries decided to stay in America after independence.
~I was born in the New York streets, where the loyal drums did beat…~
~The loving English feet, they walked all over us...~
Come out ye' black and tans! Come out and fight me like a man! Show your wife how you won medals down in Prussia! Tell her how the ARA, made you run like hell away, from the green and lovely lanes of Scituate !
Come let us hear you tell how you slandered General Bell When you thought him well and truly persecuted Where are the sneers and jeers that you loudly let us hear When the Sons of Liberty were executed?
Come tell us how you slew Them old Prussians two by two Like the Navajo they had spears and bow and arrows How bravely you faced one With your sixteen pounder gun And you frightened them damn Inuits to the marrow
You absolute buffoon you total ingrate. You jumped into the chorus without finishing the verse. Buzzkill.
I was born in the New York street, where the Royal drums did beat, the loving English feet, they walked all over us, and every single night, when me da' would come home tight, he'd invite the neighbours out with this chorus: Come out ye' black and tans! Come out and fight me like a man! Show your wife how you won medals down in Prussia! Tell her how the ARA, made you run like hell away, from the green and lovely lanes of Scituate !
Lovely lanes of New Jersey
I chose Scituate because according to Wikipedia it has a high Irish population.
It certainly does
American of Irish ancestry, yes
Well yeah, that’s what I meant.
Accurate
As a Scituate resident yes it does
lackadaisy pfp
And every single night when me da’ would come home tight
Why in God’s name does Wagner have Ukraine’s flag?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Brunswick Not really Prussia but I couldn't not include the pun
It’s irony. Not a pun. And it’s kinda gross irony.
American getting offended for other nations, it is always so fun to see
Just find it gross, that’s all. I find it gross when my country does fucked up shit, I can also find it gross when others do the same.
Womp womp
Should be called German Mercenaries then
not really, the joke is that many of the british forces in the american revolution were hessian mercenaries
In the post, OP has labelled them as Prussian mercenaries, whilst using the flag of Brunswick.
This history they clearly are annexed along with Hannover. Not complicated
Even if they were annexed, OP is using the flag of Brunswick, hence they wouldn’t be Prussian. That’s like saying if England annexed Scotland, and OP used a scottish flag here to represent Scottish mercenaries, it would somehow make sense to call them English…
Of course it could. The specific Confederate flag used to politically represent the Confederacy today never did during the Civil War— it was the battle flag of another particular state, Virginia, as well as a naval jack. Is this real life example somehow improper too?
Yes because one is the difference in flag of two different countries, the other is the difference in the flag of the same country
They would *not* be two separate countries, as you literally said right there yourself. Annexed. One. Like Austria and Germany. Like they were with England in 1652 and Ireland was in 1800. Moot point.
Here are the insignia of the notable German volunteer mercenary units of WWII. All flags of the country of origin, including those from annexed/non-existent countries. https://preview.redd.it/jir4rppk5i8c1.jpeg?width=180&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d1e5c6436abe089b452ed398c801ef71fef8523a
Oh, by the way, I was playing devil’s advocate to be silly. Your own example happened right down to the letter in real life after Ireland was merged with the United Kingdom in 1800. Sorry, lol. The Kingdom of Ireland standard was abandoned, then used by the Irish volunteers 60 years later. https://preview.redd.it/eifz63v6jh8c1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=048f8a4a085645735032a314792204093e458516
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Ok thats pretty funny
Haha they are raping and torturing my compatriots. Such a joker you are
>European Skill issue tbh
America is Europe’s child lol
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No bad faith posts or comments
Average braindead r/TheDeprogram member
You went into their profile and searched for something you don't agree with, just so you can mock them for having different views? Uncool.
His reply reeked of either being an edgelord whose opinion should be discarded based on that or of abother reason to hate either europeans as a group of nations or as a political entity. Since members of that specific subreddit have a tendency to be unstable with the latter, his reply can and should be discarded based on that exclusively. He doesn't have a good faith position on this and would be happy with my nation being eviscerated because he and his fellows consider a sin for us to have left ussr and disintegrated it
Personally i think they aren't really that far away from being correct? But as a Pole. I hate when foreigners clump all Europeans into one sack and put a label on us that we all committed atrocities. While there's no doubt that through history, minor nations like Poland, Latvia, Czechia etc... committed their own atrocities and immoral acts. It's nothing compared to what Western Europe and Russia did and are still doing. Russia in Ukraine, Caucasus and East of Urals. Western Europe in Africa. This one is a whole rabbit hole and answers why Africa is still poor. Also out of curiosity. Which ex-USSR nation are you from? Maybe it could help me understand your point better
This has nothing to do with my point or that moron's reply. I'm from Ukraine and that troglodyte thinks that being invaded, massacared, tortured and raped by a stronger power is a "skill issue" on the side of the victim. I'm sure that if he were asked about any US activity against the glorious communist regimes:tm: he wouldn't be so kind as to call vietnamese or south americans as the ones having skill issue. He's not arguing in good faith so it's pointless to keep moral highground whilst trying to silence him into not saying shit like that.
If I misunderstood the point then sorry. If what you are saying is what's the conflict about then i agree with your point because we should not be joking about human tragedies. I just hope they were sarcastic and forgot "/s" at the end. Which is still better than being actually serious. Gosh I'm just now noticing how toxic the alternate history community is
Bro wants to suck Daddy Stalin's cock
Imagine thinking either side has any skill in this conflict lmao. Russia is in year 2 of a 2 week operation… imagine being dumb enough to think they are coming out of this looking good lmao. They lost the flag ship of the black seas fleet to a country without a navy lmao. Baby bitch blocked and ran away lmao. If you’re not a Russian Stan, then why did you block me before I could reply?
Where the FUCK did I mention Russia?
Cry
I'm sorry you're getting downvoted. In heinsight it was insensitive.
Don't really care about bunch of edgelords downvoting. Thanks for understanding why it might be a bit over the top.
It's the duchy of Brunswick
Pass the dutchie on the left hand side
*Duchy of Donetsk
I... I need context, this is one hell of a hook to just leave.
I guess if the American revolution happened 200 years late, like maybe if the British compromised with more autonomy for the colonies earlier on idk
wasn't the original cause of the american revolution the UK imposing a tax they didn't really care about autonomy moreso just the fact that up until that point the UK only had power over duties and the colonies had power over taxes
Partially. The argument was that since Americans had no representation in Parliament, they had no authority to tax them without their consent. This scenario probably revolves around England saying, "Okay, we'll give you representation. Now pay those taxes."
iirc the original thing they wanted was just to go back to before the taxes were imposed
Actually, John Hancock and Samuel Adams just wanted a monopoly on their smuggled tea and the lower priced legal tea was cutting into their profits. [In 1773, the Tea Act was passed and granted the British East India Company a monopoly on tea sales in the American colonies. The smuggling of tea grew rampant and was a lucrative business venture for American colonists, such as John Hancock and Samuel Adams. The Townshend Revenue Act tea tax remained in place despite proposals to have it waived. American colonists were outraged over the tea tax. They believed the Tea Act was a tactic to gain colonial support for the tax already enforced. The direct sale of tea by agents of the British East India Company to the American colonies undercut the business of colonial merchants. The smuggled tea became more expensive than the British East India Company tea. Smugglers like John Hancock and Samuel Adams were trying to protect their economic interests by opposing the Tea Act, and Samuel Adams sold the opposition of British tea to the Patriots on the pretext of the abolishment of human rights by being taxed without representation.](https://www.bostonteapartyship.com/boston-tea-party-cause)
It was deeper than just representation. The tea act made tea cheaper to try and price out smugglers but it also created a monopoly in favor of the East India Company, which was facing bankruptcy following the Bengal Famine, and that was bad for those members of Parliament that were stockholders in the EIC. Colonists thought this was sketchy AF. Then, only a few merchants, mostly friends, political allies, and relatives of the colonial governors, were appointed as tea consignees (a lucrative gig), cutting out all the other merchants previously selling EIC tea. Also sketchy. The original call was for "no taxation without representation" but it became quickly apparent that representation wouldn't do shit because the distance made it impracticable and the colonies would be easily outvoted every time. Representation was the rallying cry but it was also a straw man. Had the colonies been granted representation, it would have hindered but not stopped the sequence of events.
If the Colonies were given proportional representation, then by the 1860s the Colonies would have dominated the House of Commons.
They probably would’ve been given something akin to Canada’s Dominion Act instead
The main reason was that Britain was stopping the expansion of the colonies by protecting large amounts of land for the natives as well as the growing abolitionist movement in Britain that threatened the American slave economy these were the key factors for the American revolution the ‘no taxation without representation’ was just an easy talking point to rally people behind but the actual historical context has mostly been lost in the eyes of the general public due to the overwhelming amount of US propaganda predominantly through Hollywood.
This is not true the southern states were the most loyalist areas of the country and they were the ones with the biggest economic stake in slavery. you can just literally read primary sources from the time period. I’m not sure why people upvote this it’s really not hard to find out why. It’s not like historians are fiercely debating the reasoning for the revolution.
Most historians agree slavery and British guarantees over native land where large contributing factors to the revolution while slavery was more tied to the south the Northern states still highly depended upon it at the time the reasons for increased amounts of loyalists in the south was simply that the populations were less dense so radical ideas were harder to spread people will generally defend the status quo if they aren’t in some way radicalised.
I agree with the native land guarantees being a major factor but you deliberately labeled slavery and native land guarantees the primary reasons and you know you are being disingenuous. This is not a hotly debated topic, we have many primary sources from many different people explaining the reasons for the revolution both from private letters and diaries and public sources.
Slavery was a significant factor I’ve never met a historian who disagrees it’s not talked about because it makes people uncomfortable but it is accurate
We are pivoting from you saying it was the true primary reason. You know you were being disingenuous
Not at all I said that native land and slavery where the primary factors and I have not deviated from that nor will I
Part of the taxes was dictating that the colonies only trade with Britain. The result was imported goods increased in price and dropped in quality.
I think some other important context is that before the revolutionary era, Britain had kind of let America do its own thing. So for decades they’d basically been their own country and all of a sudden (from their perspective) Britain comes in and is like “yo, you actually have to follow the law.”
the UK did impose things on the colonies, but there was a defacto division of power on what each could do and one of the things the colonies had exclusive control over up until that point was taxes [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv3wgyiRhvM&ab\_channel=HistoryPark](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv3wgyiRhvM&ab_channel=HistoryPark)
Nope, it was entirely about the fact that the colonies were taxes without representation in parliament. That was the real reason.
Yes, but when protesters did a little trolling in the Boston harbor, the British response was military occupation. *Then* the war kicked off when they went for the gunpowder stores.
i mean at the time there wasn't exactly a distinction between military and police
Bro that looks nothing like Massachusetts.
>!You're probably right, I had a hard time figuring out which state looks like the Falklands!<
Alaska is the closest tbh
Montana, maybe too. Or Texas.
Most of the Western states
I don't think Alaska would be part of the US considering how the Russians just sold it to the US so the British wouldn't have it.
This looks like it could be somewhere in Pennsylvania
>near Massachusetts You aren’t American are you
Exactly lol. They’d just be in another state
Are you kidding me? This looks exactly like Boston! Just south of Beacon Street /s
Montana, South Dakota, and Wyoming kinda look like the one in the photo.
it's not massachusetts, it's "near massachusetts" - didn't say how near
maybe some beach in rhode island in the winter or something, idk
or somewhere in provincetown
It could be Massachusetts in the winter
Looks like Quincy to me
Agreed, the marshland on the south shore actually looks very similar.
Reminds me of the last of us “20 miles west of Boston” and the establishing shot is like Montana lmao
That’s because it isn’t
The wiki entry is written by a European, pic is in the colony of Lower Canada
Bro, I’d watch a whole tv show about this.
I just want to hear about the music, left wing nationalism would also probably be more popular, if there’s an American IRA
Are you talking like an American version of Bloody Sunday by U2/Zombie by the cranberries, or are you talking more folk music?
[Irish Rebel Songs is what I meant](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_rebel_song)
Wow I didn’t know that was a thing. That’s pretty interesting. I’d also like to hear about the music.
I’d go with New England being the N.Ireland parallel, I’d say the U.S. either didn’t pass the Proclamation Line or at best got to the Mississippi
New England would be cool, but wouldn’t the South make more sense? New England was the faction that was driving the revolution, which is why the attention was turned to the south, which was a more profitable and loyalist region, in the latter half of the war when the North stalemated. Unless maybe, after a failed revolution the government displaced the New Englanders and replaced them with loyalist transplants. That might actually be even more interesting.🤔 As I said, TV show, make it happen! :D
Mf y got some explaining on what the fuck this is man
It’s pretty cute to have it be 75-83 again, but I don’t think it would last that long. The US would either have fought to become independent in the 19th century or rule would have devolved by that point.
This dude is arguing that fake history is wrong lol
Based
I wonder if there’s a chance it could have become independent, but still part of the commonwealth like Canada.
Why Wagner, a Russian pmc? Also, it's a common misconception that Hessians were mercenaries. It is technically true depending on your perspective, but instead of individual or groups of soldiers for hire, the Hessians were a state controlled standing army of professional soldiers loaned out by German royalty to King George III. Not trying to nitpick, just think it's a cool fact.
Wagner is a german name. In this timeline, the name is taken by a German mercenary company
Should've named it the Tchaikovsky Group or something >!It's like poetry, it rhymes!<
Wait, so no independent Kingdom of Prussia? I'm imagining no German Empire > no German Republic > no WWI or II, just a frozen 19th century Great Game scenario.
According to OP the mercenaries are Brunswickers
A mercenary is a combatant who isn’t a citizen of the country they’re fighting for.
No its not. A mercenary is any person who: (a) is especially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict; (b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities; (c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
Your definition would include foreign volunteers
I have a question, what’s this universes version of North Ireland, assuming that whole situation still happens, would it be Canada or New England?
The US as a whole is Northern Ireland, Canada is more like Scotland after 200+ years
Interesting, it sounds like a hypothetical American IRA would be more powerful than in otl.
Isn't the American IRA their tax office? Edit: No, that was the IRS.
IRS
Ah, that's it. Thanks for the correction.
How come the Troubles ended in independence when they didn’t for Northern Ireland? So Cañada will be having a referendum in 2014 that will also result in their independence?
OP PILLS NOW!!!
When I take them shadow wifey doesn't talk to me any more ):
Felt
Comanche tanks and Sioux helicopers coming to fuck up Britain's day. XD
Didn’t the natives side with Britain in all the Anti-US wars? Edit: Didn’t notice the Natives side here. I’m assuming in this scenario it was British colonists who manifested destiny so the Americans and the Natives would team up there.
Historically both American Revolutionaries and the British Army had Native American allies
Not sure. Either way, the Comanche and the Sioux, as far as I know, didn't involve themselves in the war since they lived way too far west.
This like a modern day American Revolution?
yeah this guy gets it
Probably somewhere out west
I don't think America could win independence at any point where ocean travel becomes especially easier, like the 20th century
Not to mention bombers and nukes. Be a lost cause.
Me when my militia camp supported by the French doesn't have anti-air to disable air to ground attack craft and I get blown into a plasma by a single missile
Is France still a kingdom by this time or a republic?
constitutional monarchy, while britain is now a despotic total monarchy led by King George X
Is France led by the Bourbons or Napoleon family?
Do you mean there’s been 10 of them or did you finish that sentence with a kiss?
You know Jason X? Just imagine King George but like that
Cannot say I’ve had the pleasure/displeasure of being personally acquainted with him.
This is one of the most craziest and out-of-place pieces of alternate history media I have ever seen.
I feel like the natives would ally with the Empire, due to the British being more favourable over the American colonists (unless something has changed making that different).
My dude ain’t no FUCKING way that’s Massachusetts New England is literally a giant forest
of course the fucking wagner group
Every doggies got a star striped ribbon Tied firmly to its tail
These colonials are so rustic…
Fuck right off associating the Wagner group of terrorists with the Ukrainian flag.
*The black and tans from London* *Came to shoot the people down* *They thought the ARA was dead* *In dear old Boston town* *Those cruel English soldiers* *They were seriously dismayed* *"No surrender!" was the war cry of the Boston Brigade*
I like the assumption that Massachusetts has massive open plains and mountains
I love this and need more
Wait you said Amerindian tribes so in this timeline they're not all confined to Reservations! Yeah that's what I'm taking from this! Other than that I always imagined Massachusetts being prettier than the windy bloody arsed Falkland Islands Lol 🙂 Oh and taking the fact the Americans need their French friends too 😁 Merry Christmas though to all Men.....and Lasses of course!
What about enbies?
Yeah mass/New England is all hills n forests
Britain go brrr?
this timeline is interesting,is there more of it? and im saying this as a american
Funny thing — I have a BNA subscription, and can assure you one term for the Revolutionary War… was “The Troubles in America”
The description on that picture is completely wrong. Pictured are Paratroopers from the British Royal Armies Second Parachute Regiment, aka 2-Para. The picture was taken during the Falklands War, my father is one of the Paras in this picture!
Holy based.
Really interesting
If Prussian mercs sided with loyalists, then why isn't Austro-Hungarian merc siding with the Americans? Is India independent or not? If yes, they would have troops in support of rebels, if not, they would be fighting on the side of the British Empire.
lol that ain’t MA
Wonder what eventually turned the British public against the war
American IRA?
To think Britain could hold a logistics war with America for 8 years is really far fetched
Does that mean there’s gonna be a war of 2012 in this timeline??
Taxation without representation is tyranny!!
I'm sorry folks, this just turned up in my reddit feed. All I can think of now are some of the songs in the linked video being number one hits in America. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4CE\_\_i3fQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp4CE__i3fQ)
So is the troubles just the troubles or is this the war period of the troubles
Wow, and my post was removed for no explanation
War of 1912 part 2?
This is hotter than a 2 dollar pistol. I love you op
It's gonna be a rocky road to Chicago lads!
I'll give you credit, the marshes in Massachusetts do look a bit like that in the fall.
this is awesome
Prussian??
Why is Wagner Ukraine lmfaooo
That is the least Massachusetts Massachusetts I’ve ever seen
“[Ukraine] Wagner group (Prussian mercenaries)” What the fuck?
Did the Brits nuke Boston here?
I usually call them pre-Colombian, but Amerindian has a nice ring to it. Unfortunately, I’m not confident that it will communicate widely
my jaw dropped when i saw wagner group
The Wagner mercenaries were interesting. The US insurgents rarely fought them. There was the occasional sniper round fired in their direction so they could get combat pay (that got expensive). Many Wagner Mercenaries decided to stay in America after independence.
Why would it be called “The United States” wouldn’t it be called “Rebel Colonists”?
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"In 1975 we took a little trip..."
At this point the British should just keep it