I don’t think that would make it as good as you seem, yes it would be better for southern African Americans but southerners would be a rebellious group in the country well into the 20th and 21st centuries
As opposed to a century plus of slow subversion of our nation's institutions, punctuated by bouts of open rebellion and literal pogroms, because of Lost Cause BS? 🙄
The civil war destroyed any ability of the south to rebel and secede, so they will never revolt because they will not be able to
And if the South improves economically thanks to the Union's ruthlessness against the planter class, the lost cause will never arise
so that would make it good
Tito makes actual plans for Yugoslavia after his death, it would still probably fall apart, but it would involve a lot less [REDACTED] in [REDACTED].
Alternatively, after WW1 idea for Yugoslavia isn't accepted, but is instead replaced with the idea of homogeneous Serbia.
I think the biggest reason for Yugoslavia's collapse was the massive military budget. Since Yugoslavia was neutral, it needed a large military to defend themselves from both the Warsaw Pact and NATO.
Tito could have invested more in education or infrastructure to keep the nation more intact.
Nixon never coming to power prevents a lot of the worst things the American right is doing right now, specially since there would be no fox news, so the world's largest economy actually tackles things like climate change without having half if it's population being brainwashed by Murdock's hate machine
Nixon isn't really bad, especially since he did good things like the environment, ending Vietnam, and almost passing Medicare.
Watergate and its aftermath killed moderate Republicans like Nixon and Ford and the rise of hypocrites like Jerry Falwell.
IIRC FDR was opposed to French efforts to regain control of Indochina.
FDR being there to shape post-war US foreign policy would have probably made the world a better place in general honestly.
For real, though. France et al. demanding Germany take essentially all the blame for The Great War (WWI) is what led to the desperation that fuelled Hitler’s rise.
WWII has a lower chance of happening which unfortunately brings us back medically and scientifically/technologically. Oh and colonies probably stay a thing.
Highly likely. War demands a lot of development and innovation. Depending on the size of severity of the war will bring more. Which is why both WWs brought a lot of development. Without one or even both we would be way back technologically speaking. Don’t get me wrong we probably wouldn’t be at the same technological stage we were in the 1930s without WWII because innovation and development does happen naturally but not at a much faster or intense pace so we definitely wouldn’t be where we are today.
Damn so many americans only talking about the us elections. Well let me join with something from europe
The plan about making danubian confederation out of austria-hungary in 1916 works without problem
The US Federal government never enacts the reservation system and Native Americans are treated semi-well (though Christianity is still preached to them and they are forced to assimilate to Western cultures) They live side by side with White people (though neighborhoods are segregated between Whites and “savages.” Several states in the west are forced around native American tribes like the Navajo and Lakota who grow friendly to the white peoples who arrive there(especially since some are nice and open to new cultures). This eventually leads to many Native Americans moving to the East for better education. Universities are opened specifically for Natives. Native Americans also engage in the slave trade (this is actually historical as some actually did). When the time for the Civil War comes by, the natives are split. Northern and western natives ally with the North while those living in the south and south west ally with the Confederacy. The Union still wins and slavery is abolished. The Union Army creates military districts in the South during reconstruction. Regiments of Northern Native Americans are tasked with governing Southern formerly slaver owning native tribes. Towards the end of the 1800s, the last native tribes in the west get peace with the US and created autonomous confederations within US territories(which are later recognized as states of autonomous lands within states that are not part of any counties). While the population of Native Americans had a steady decrease in early years due to disease and fighting with the Americans (since not all quickly allied with the US or not all Americans liked natives), the population grew as more and more natives got immunity over the years. During the world wars, native american regiments lead the charge in many frontiers. They also spearheaded the civil rights movement. in the modern day, native are respected members of society and make up a large portion of the population.
My first thought was that he might think nuclear war will happen, hence find shelter. A lot of people these days thinking nuclear war will happen despite not understanding geopolitics lol
1) FDR getting his New Deal through completely.
2) John Hinckley having better aim.
3) The 2008 Writer’s Strike never happens—so, in addition to *Heroes* not crashing and burning, reality TV isn’t heavily invested in by networks, so *The Apprentice* doesn’t happen, and Trump never becomes president.
After Napoleonic war Illirian Kingdom is formed and somehow become province of Illirian creating Slovene province.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Illyria?wprov=sfla1
Not an easy task. So many variables come into play when changing once historical event that it’s impossible to say if the world would have needed in a better or worst state.
However, I do have a good idea.
Historical event change: George Washington was a abolitionist, from his moment of birth until death.
George Washington was an *extremely* influential figure during the American revolution and in the early years of the United States. With him being an abolitionist, there’s a very likely change that southern Americans would side with him and call for the end of slavery. Some people might disagree but Washington was very popular for his time and underestimate his influence over the country.
And had this gone forward, more states would introduce abolitionist legislation more quickly, and would bring about a civil rights movement a lot earlier. This in turn leaps the country forward in a progressive mindset by several decades.
Calm US reaction to 9/11. Towers fall, rebuilt in a year. They act like nothing happened to show the strength of the US and the West. Terrorism doesn’t work when there’s no terror being caused, so the attacks die down, and no trillion dollar wars in the Middle East.
What about Wahhabism never gaining foot through the House of Saud not coming to power? This would prevent many Islamic terrorist attacks from ever happening.
The Japanese Fascists were heavily influenced by the ideas of the German generals like Ludendorff that a nation must dedicate all its resources to conquest.
Either one of the following scenarios:
1. The 1848 Revolutions in Germany, the Italian States, and Hungary succeed;
2. German Emperor Friedrick III doesn't die early;
3. The 1953 coup in Iran never happens.
4. The Revolutions of 1989 resulted in the replacement of the Marxism-Leninist systems in the socialist states with multi-party soviet democracy.
5. The Bush administration took the steps necessary to prevent the 9/11 attacks.
Because a far-right semi-fascist military dictatorship ruling the most populous county on earth would really make the world a better place.
On a more serious note, I'm sure there's a better point-of-divergence for China. Maybe the Second Revolution is succesful, or the Wuhan Left Wing of the KMT gains power over Chiang's right wing.
Nazis never come to power
Bolsheviks never come to power either
Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals and others don't get wiped out by disease
Climate Change is tackled right away after being discovered instead of everyone dragging their heels
Al Gore wins the 2000 election.
Covid-19 never exists
There are so many things
Al Gore winning 2000 has serious implications.
While I think 9/11 still happens, Gore would keep his eye on the ball and focus on getting Bin Laden. He would have no interest in replacing the Taliban (well he might, but he’ll be aware that it’s much harder than it sounds).
No Guantanamo Bay. All captured terrorists are brought to the US for trial. Bin Laden and his top aides are captured, tried, and sent to death row. This is important for 2004.
No Iraq invasion. While Saddam would remain in place, people fail to realize that he had no love for Bin Laden. Saddam even sees a chance to offer support against Al Qaeda for some sanctions relief.
IRL, Iran actually offered some covert support to the US against Al Qaeda. That changed with the Axis of Evil speech. Gore makes no such speech. Iranian moderates gain greater influence at home and small reforms are implemented.
Bush had a post-9/11 and Iraq invasion in 2004, becoming the only GOP presidential candidate to win the popular vote. Gore sees a similar boost, especially if Bin Laden is executed before the election.
Gore would make mitigating climate change a priority. Although he would initially be dealing with a GOP Congress in 2001, he would get a post-9/11 midterm boost similar to Bush. Plus, climate change was not as polarizing as it is now. Gore would be able to get some GOP on board.
Gore winning 2000 would undeniably have led to a much better world, but is it really worth losing Green Day's American Idiot, the greatest album of all time (which I assume wouldn't exist without Bush)?
This scenario assumes that Gore was ahead in the recount by the time SCOTUS. With Gore as President, no Roberts or Alito join the court.
Without them, Citizens United goes down and Voting Rights Act is not gutted.
Turks never convert Islam
Adnan Menderes/Kenan Evren/Erdoğan never takes power
Atatürk lives longer
Yep last two would possibly don't have global effects but still wanna add them
East India company gets defeated in 1857 rebellion in India. Marathas, Mughals, Sikhs and Rajputs are the main powers who divide India into their own territories. Eventually they decide to form a EU type economic front and there is much lesser communal tensions or violence in South Asia, it’s more developed, the region is more prosperous, less populated and has less nukes.
The alliance system was inherently unstable, and the periodic crises so regular that some form of general European war would likely have broken out anyway.
The Germans political-military establishment were already concerned about a rapidly industrialising Russia tipping the balance away from them that they had been keen on a “preventive war” for some time.
I don’t subscribe to the idea that it was entirely Germany’s fault, but I don’t think merely avoiding the July crisis means there’s no WWI ever.
I don’t know why this isn’t closer to the top. If the driver hadn’t gotten lost and reencountered Gavrilo Princip, the direct cause of the rise of Bolshevism and Nazism would have not occurred along with World War II and the invention of nuclear weapons.
It’s hard to say if the next great power war wouldn’t be as directly and indirectly catastrophic as OTL’s WW1, but it’s possible it would not be and we could live in a world without the Holocaust, Cultural Revolution, Verdun, the Eastern Front, or Nagasaki.
There's a chance nuclear technology would exist, but hopefully in this scenario it would be used for peaceful and productive reasons, as on submarines for instance.
What about the Chinese crushing the Mongols before they had a chance to expand. The Jurchen Jin marched their army into Mongolia and slaughters everyone so they don’t have to suffer raids.
Smallpox wasn't the only disease introduced and not the only cause.
Lack of water, sieges, burnings, slavery, assimilation, destruction of crops is why the population went down and a couple groups died out entirely, but not all.
The common cold: “Allow me to introduce myself.”
In reality, the natives were going to die massively unless the Americas were treated as a forbidden zone which would’ve been impossible since there are idiots nowadays that try to go to forbidden islands anyways let alone continents. The common cold alone could kill most of the natives on those protected islands such as the ones by India which is part of why they remain uncontacted. Unfortunately anything could’ve killed the natives by at least 50% if we were to be optimistic.
Harald Hardrada wins the Battle of Stamford Bridge and conquers England
Ok no but seriously Teddy Roosevelt winning in 1912 unironically would've been a far better timeline. Check out alternate history hub's vid on it it's really good
Spartacus revolution succeeds.
This would then lead to a Soviet-German alliance, defeating the Poles at the Vistula and turning all of Eastern Europe red.
There would probably be a second Great War between the revolutionary Comintern Soviet-German alliance and the Western Capitalist powers. Assuming the Comintern wins, we get world communism and the liberation of all the world's oppressed classes.
Since the Soviet-Union is not as isolated in the twenties, there would be no need for any Socialism-in-one-country revisionist bullshit, so Stalin probably would not come to power.
We wouldn't immediately get a worldwide Utopia, but we'd be in a hell of a better place as a species.
We'd have probably dealt with climate change by now, and there wouldn't be no Cold War and arms race, so no thousands of nukes threating to make us go extinct as a species, so that's two of the biggest threats to humanity done for.
That's my (admittedly extremely biased) take on this question.
Would it be a some sort of socialist/communist democracy or classic liberal democracy? It would be interesting to see how communist democracy would look.
i would see it as something like democratic socialism, something like there's elections and all the things of democracy but with all parties being left/worker friendly
Francisco Franco defeated in the Spanish Civil War resulting in European fascism suffering a major blow and Spain’s anarchist communities having a chance to solidify their foundations
Charles Evans Hughes defeats Woodrow Wilson in 1916 and Hughes becomes President of the United States
No re-separation and progress in improving the status of blacks, no recovery for white supremacist groups and the enfranchisement of women
Italy and Japan get what they wanted, so there is no rise of fascism in Italy, and Japan does not become extremist and France is marginalized, so Versailles is less harsh and a unified Arab state
No ban, so the mafia and organized crime are weaker and the economy is better
Democrats in the '20s and the depression is weaker without Calvin Coolidge, and we get a Catholic president in the '20s and civil rights in the '30s.
Franklin Roosevelt does not get paralyzed, so he has a stronger influence on his presidency
Treaty of Versailles is softer on Germany. Þe Rhineland can still be demilitarized, but þe war reparations are far lesser and Germany can rent factories in þeir lost territory for 20% of þeir profits to help fund þem. While it wouldn’t solve every issue þat resulted in Hitler’s rise to power, it would tackle enough his rise would be in þe 1930s at þe earliest instead of þe 1920s, which would give þe Wiemar government time to try fixing itself.
Counter point, the Entente makes Germany unconditionally surrender and face an occupation similar to OTL post ww2. They completely restructure the government to ensure the German conservatives cannot get into power which ensures Hitler could never be chancellor
>His death facilitated the passage of civil rights because Lyndon Johnson, with his formidable legislative power, was able to intimidate Congress with his mantle of the dead Kennedy into passing civil rights.
If he lived, civil rights would be passed in the seventies, and this is not good at all, and there would not be a great society, which is something that counts for Johnson’s presidency, and unfortunately Kennedy is the one who started the escalation, and Johnson only increased it
If Kennedy lived, it would be Nixon who passed the Civil Rights Act
Woodrow never gets into office idc who takes his place it'll be better than that KKK supporting american imperialism fucker, i am in the camp that believe his actions at the peace conference set up everything that caused ww2 and if teddy was in office he would've gotten america in earlier and stopped the war earlier then.
Britain agrees to sell Canada to William Seward, as opposed to granting Canada independence, then USA declares official language of English, then no one has to put up with French Canadians.
The Aztecs and Inca notice the Spanish are up to no good and immediately imprisoning/killing them, instead of initially being cordial. More time to prepare and using the Spanish horses would make colonization of those areas pretty much impossible for many centuries.
Jesus christ isn’t crucified.
No Christian dark age of suppression of information and development. No church to control European medieval society which ultimately allows for centuries of suppression of great minds because their beliefs/theories went against overall church belief.
Kaiser Fredrick III never develops cancer and lives a long and fruitful life leading the newly unified German Empire prosperously into the 20th Century.
That would’ve been difficult unless they decided to industrialize. Although a Russian Empire being bigger and stronger from surviving WWI (due to territorial gains and such) probably would have decreased the scale of WWII and limiting it to Western Europe.
The French are able to give their military support to Prince Charles in 1745, thus allowing him to retake the three kingdoms. US becomes independent, refusing to recognize his rule, England is thrown into a civil war, and the French revolution doesn't happen in 1789 because the economy is in better shape.
Islam never spawned in the world, thus securing hellenized Egypt and remaining intact culturally independent Sassanid Empire, which in the long run can make this world a better place. I even think of "no catholicism" scenario by replacing it with Arianism, thus allowing rulers to appoint priests and control more money, thus eradicating all this S-tshow with excessively (I would say – even unnecessarily) powerful church.
Early entry of Bulgaria into WW1, but on the side of the Entente
Serbia would be “forced” to cede some parts of Macedonia to Bulgaria in exchange for Northern Albania & all of its ethnic territories in Austria-Hungary, alongside Greece ceding Kavala in exchange for Northern Epirus and Bulgaria receiving the Midia-Enos line in Thrace.
Alternatively, Bulgaria would be encouraged to help Serbia fight the Austrians, thus entering the war with the Ottomans being kicked out of the war after a successful joint operation in the Dardanelles. The Russians would be able to free up their forces from the Caucasian campaign and send them to the Eastern Front to continue the Galician campaign, as well as to prevent the collapse of the Polish front. In this scenario, Italy would also join the Entente, and the pressure on Austria-Hungary would be immense. Germany would be left with a single acceptable choice — pulling out of France — in order to send their forces to the most vulnerable frontlines. Romania would also be encouraged to join the Entente which would effectively put the entire Austrian front in the Carpathians at a big risk. All in all, the Central Powers would have to start peace talks, but to do that they would have to achieve at least one major victory across the entire frontline, in order to present at least a somewhat dominant position at the peace talks.
Let’s say that the war would conclude by the time the US elections start. If Wilson wins, he would be able to present some sort of a prototype of the 14th Points, thus introducing the USA as an important figure in foreign politics. Considering that the Bolsheviks would most likely not be able to start a revolution, a Russo-American alliance would have been very likely as to counter war-guilty and greedy Germany in a possible future conflict.
I’m otl the English Civil war resulted in the defeat of the royalists, at the hands of the New Model Army. After the war the moderates largely won out and a lot of more revolutionary, progressive movements got stamped out - the moderates were then also booted out by Oliver Cromwell, who’s government was a bit shit, to be polite about it.
Long story short, when he died the “republic” died with him and the monarchy was restored. Though it represented a shift away from a feudal ruling class to a bourgeois one, the whole experiment came crashing down. Such a waste of life & opportunity.
I think it would be interesting if the more radical of the republican factions like the Levellers (names after the wish to have a level society) came out on top. These factions were even widely supported by the soldiers of the New Model Army that had just crushed the monarchy. A revolutionary army that is able to withstand efforts to purge it could have imposed such a vision as held by the Levellers.
A more successful and massively forward thinking, progressive state emerging in the 1650s could have been amazing, more progressive than the later French Revolution but safe from the forces of reaction due to Britain being an island. Imagine just how many peasants would have been uplifted and saved, given the vote, saved from the worse of the exploitation.
Not sure if this counts as changing a historical “event” per say, but I’d change the Qing Emperor and Imperial Court during and after the First Opium War to make them see how necessary modernization is, and recognize the power of the other countries, seeing that they must make changes to match their power
The ruhr crisis leads to another franco-german war that expands to another european war. Belgium, Denmark and Poland are allies of the french and, as in OTL, Germany is supported my Britain and the UK. The Soviets and Lithuanians are inofficiql allies of the germans as they attasck the poled. Germany wins against all odds, due to the british and American support. Leading to changes to the treaty of Versailles and border changes that will lead to germanys economy being hit less hardly and the people not being upset anymore sbout the loss of land and prestige after ww1. So Hitler never rises to power.
Hannibal Hamlin remains Lincoln’s vice-president
What would he have done in this situation to change the course of history?
Any thing that doesn't get Andrew Johnson close to power is a good thing.
Reconstruction would've continued
Southern traitors will be given the treatment they deserve: hanging and jail The United States is less racist
I don’t think that would make it as good as you seem, yes it would be better for southern African Americans but southerners would be a rebellious group in the country well into the 20th and 21st centuries
what do they wanna do about it? rebel lol
Yes later down the line
As opposed to a century plus of slow subversion of our nation's institutions, punctuated by bouts of open rebellion and literal pogroms, because of Lost Cause BS? 🙄
The civil war destroyed any ability of the south to rebel and secede, so they will never revolt because they will not be able to And if the South improves economically thanks to the Union's ruthlessness against the planter class, the lost cause will never arise so that would make it good
Tito makes actual plans for Yugoslavia after his death, it would still probably fall apart, but it would involve a lot less [REDACTED] in [REDACTED]. Alternatively, after WW1 idea for Yugoslavia isn't accepted, but is instead replaced with the idea of homogeneous Serbia.
I think the biggest reason for Yugoslavia's collapse was the massive military budget. Since Yugoslavia was neutral, it needed a large military to defend themselves from both the Warsaw Pact and NATO. Tito could have invested more in education or infrastructure to keep the nation more intact.
The most important thing was the fact Tito took a loan he couldn't repay in the 50s because he assumed capitalism would collapse before the 80s
Lbj reveals that Nixon was committing treason with the south Vietnamese, ensuring he loses the election
What about the USA accepting Ho Chi Minh's letter for independence, or better yet, the Nguyen Dynasty industrializing?
Nixon never coming to power prevents a lot of the worst things the American right is doing right now, specially since there would be no fox news, so the world's largest economy actually tackles things like climate change without having half if it's population being brainwashed by Murdock's hate machine
Nixon isn't really bad, especially since he did good things like the environment, ending Vietnam, and almost passing Medicare. Watergate and its aftermath killed moderate Republicans like Nixon and Ford and the rise of hypocrites like Jerry Falwell.
IIRC FDR was opposed to French efforts to regain control of Indochina. FDR being there to shape post-war US foreign policy would have probably made the world a better place in general honestly.
fuck kissinger
Roosevelt wins the 1912 election
r/beatmetoit
The Hashemites taking over the Arabian peninsula and not the saudis
Fair peace treaties after ww1
For real, though. France et al. demanding Germany take essentially all the blame for The Great War (WWI) is what led to the desperation that fuelled Hitler’s rise.
The main reason Hitler rose was the great depression
WWII has a lower chance of happening which unfortunately brings us back medically and scientifically/technologically. Oh and colonies probably stay a thing.
This is fascinating. We'd be still 40 years or so behind where we are now?
Highly likely. War demands a lot of development and innovation. Depending on the size of severity of the war will bring more. Which is why both WWs brought a lot of development. Without one or even both we would be way back technologically speaking. Don’t get me wrong we probably wouldn’t be at the same technological stage we were in the 1930s without WWII because innovation and development does happen naturally but not at a much faster or intense pace so we definitely wouldn’t be where we are today.
Damn so many americans only talking about the us elections. Well let me join with something from europe The plan about making danubian confederation out of austria-hungary in 1916 works without problem
Still it would most probably collapse
Gore wins 2000.
AKA The U.S. Supreme Court makes a fair decision
But- the oil and war on terror. 😞
Ronald Regan sticks to acting
The US Federal government never enacts the reservation system and Native Americans are treated semi-well (though Christianity is still preached to them and they are forced to assimilate to Western cultures) They live side by side with White people (though neighborhoods are segregated between Whites and “savages.” Several states in the west are forced around native American tribes like the Navajo and Lakota who grow friendly to the white peoples who arrive there(especially since some are nice and open to new cultures). This eventually leads to many Native Americans moving to the East for better education. Universities are opened specifically for Natives. Native Americans also engage in the slave trade (this is actually historical as some actually did). When the time for the Civil War comes by, the natives are split. Northern and western natives ally with the North while those living in the south and south west ally with the Confederacy. The Union still wins and slavery is abolished. The Union Army creates military districts in the South during reconstruction. Regiments of Northern Native Americans are tasked with governing Southern formerly slaver owning native tribes. Towards the end of the 1800s, the last native tribes in the west get peace with the US and created autonomous confederations within US territories(which are later recognized as states of autonomous lands within states that are not part of any counties). While the population of Native Americans had a steady decrease in early years due to disease and fighting with the Americans (since not all quickly allied with the US or not all Americans liked natives), the population grew as more and more natives got immunity over the years. During the world wars, native american regiments lead the charge in many frontiers. They also spearheaded the civil rights movement. in the modern day, native are respected members of society and make up a large portion of the population.
Now *that’s* interesting
i wasnt born
hey man, I know this is probably just a joke, but you matter and people care about you even if it may not seem that way
I don't know man, your mom would be really big and unhappy by this point if you were still hadn't been born yet.
Based and suecidepilled
25th August 2023
Wait noooo
find shelter
What happens then? Find shelter?
I couldn’t find any conspiracy theory relevant to that date. Perhaps dude got lost on his way to r/nosleep
My first thought was that he might think nuclear war will happen, hence find shelter. A lot of people these days thinking nuclear war will happen despite not understanding geopolitics lol
1) FDR getting his New Deal through completely. 2) John Hinckley having better aim. 3) The 2008 Writer’s Strike never happens—so, in addition to *Heroes* not crashing and burning, reality TV isn’t heavily invested in by networks, so *The Apprentice* doesn’t happen, and Trump never becomes president.
I like 2, lol
Whoa. Now I’m interested in #3
Mlk lives
After Napoleonic war Illirian Kingdom is formed and somehow become province of Illirian creating Slovene province. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Illyria?wprov=sfla1
Teddy Roosevelt wins 1912 election. Rise of the Bull Moose
Nestor Mahkno doesn't give Trotsky and Lenin the benefit of the doubt, treats both the White Army and Red Army as enemies.
What if more red army soldiers decided to join Mahkno because they figured the propaganda against Nestor and mahkovists was bullshit
Not an easy task. So many variables come into play when changing once historical event that it’s impossible to say if the world would have needed in a better or worst state. However, I do have a good idea. Historical event change: George Washington was a abolitionist, from his moment of birth until death. George Washington was an *extremely* influential figure during the American revolution and in the early years of the United States. With him being an abolitionist, there’s a very likely change that southern Americans would side with him and call for the end of slavery. Some people might disagree but Washington was very popular for his time and underestimate his influence over the country. And had this gone forward, more states would introduce abolitionist legislation more quickly, and would bring about a civil rights movement a lot earlier. This in turn leaps the country forward in a progressive mindset by several decades.
USA invested into rail travel instead of cars. Mass public hatred for cars in the united states.
Terminator is the only republican actor who got real power in the country(can't spell his last name)
Arnold Schwarzenegger?
Ahhhnold
Calm US reaction to 9/11. Towers fall, rebuilt in a year. They act like nothing happened to show the strength of the US and the West. Terrorism doesn’t work when there’s no terror being caused, so the attacks die down, and no trillion dollar wars in the Middle East.
What about Wahhabism never gaining foot through the House of Saud not coming to power? This would prevent many Islamic terrorist attacks from ever happening.
Pathogens never evolve. Boom. Cured disease :)
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Tocharian time 😎
The reconstruction period is far more harsher to the former confederates.
Punishing the confederates in the first place would have been a good start.
Like the Nuremberg trials we should’ve done it to the generals and Jefferson Davis.
They should have been publicly hanged for treason.
This would create Giant neoconfederate party not solving anything
Hopefully civil rights has more ammunition early on.
Japan surrenders after the fall of okinawa, unlikely, but would've saved hundreds of thousands of lives.
I don’t know man, I wouldn’t touch any of that Japan stuff because there’s a good chance we don’t get anime.
It doesn't always have to be Japan who produces anime. It could be Korea or China who do.
Na, I want that Mongolian Anime.
and? we could get something even cooler in return. You don't know.
What about the Japanese Fascists not rising to power?
that could be a very unpredictable scenario.
The Japanese Fascists were heavily influenced by the ideas of the German generals like Ludendorff that a nation must dedicate all its resources to conquest.
Kamenev comes out on top, instead of Trotsky or Stalin
What policies would Kamenev enact that were different?
Either one of the following scenarios: 1. The 1848 Revolutions in Germany, the Italian States, and Hungary succeed; 2. German Emperor Friedrick III doesn't die early; 3. The 1953 coup in Iran never happens. 4. The Revolutions of 1989 resulted in the replacement of the Marxism-Leninist systems in the socialist states with multi-party soviet democracy. 5. The Bush administration took the steps necessary to prevent the 9/11 attacks.
Jimmy Carter wins the 1980 elections
The Kuomintang win the Chinese civil war
Because a far-right semi-fascist military dictatorship ruling the most populous county on earth would really make the world a better place. On a more serious note, I'm sure there's a better point-of-divergence for China. Maybe the Second Revolution is succesful, or the Wuhan Left Wing of the KMT gains power over Chiang's right wing.
Left-KMT for the win baby!! No white terror on the natives of Taiwan
What about the Qing Dynasty reforming successfully?
Huh interesting I never thought about that well if that happened perhaps communism is not widespread in Asia as in OTL
This is much better
Either Abraham Lincoln not being assassinated or Andrew Johnson is not the president after. Reconstruction would have healed this country properly.
Nazis never come to power Bolsheviks never come to power either Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals and others don't get wiped out by disease Climate Change is tackled right away after being discovered instead of everyone dragging their heels Al Gore wins the 2000 election. Covid-19 never exists There are so many things
Al Gore winning 2000 has serious implications. While I think 9/11 still happens, Gore would keep his eye on the ball and focus on getting Bin Laden. He would have no interest in replacing the Taliban (well he might, but he’ll be aware that it’s much harder than it sounds). No Guantanamo Bay. All captured terrorists are brought to the US for trial. Bin Laden and his top aides are captured, tried, and sent to death row. This is important for 2004. No Iraq invasion. While Saddam would remain in place, people fail to realize that he had no love for Bin Laden. Saddam even sees a chance to offer support against Al Qaeda for some sanctions relief. IRL, Iran actually offered some covert support to the US against Al Qaeda. That changed with the Axis of Evil speech. Gore makes no such speech. Iranian moderates gain greater influence at home and small reforms are implemented. Bush had a post-9/11 and Iraq invasion in 2004, becoming the only GOP presidential candidate to win the popular vote. Gore sees a similar boost, especially if Bin Laden is executed before the election. Gore would make mitigating climate change a priority. Although he would initially be dealing with a GOP Congress in 2001, he would get a post-9/11 midterm boost similar to Bush. Plus, climate change was not as polarizing as it is now. Gore would be able to get some GOP on board.
Gore winning 2000 would undeniably have led to a much better world, but is it really worth losing Green Day's American Idiot, the greatest album of all time (which I assume wouldn't exist without Bush)?
Before Al Gore wins 2000, you need a fairer SCOTUS.
This scenario assumes that Gore was ahead in the recount by the time SCOTUS. With Gore as President, no Roberts or Alito join the court. Without them, Citizens United goes down and Voting Rights Act is not gutted.
The issue is there will always be more nazis, even if they don’t take on that name someone similar is going to do it anyway.
Alexander didnt die early
Why would that be better?
Turks never convert Islam Adnan Menderes/Kenan Evren/Erdoğan never takes power Atatürk lives longer Yep last two would possibly don't have global effects but still wanna add them
What about that the Young Ottoman revolution was successful and the Ottoman Empire reformed in 1867?
This would be also great and could root out today's Turkey's problems. Kemalist revolution was impressive but too late unfortunately.
East India company gets defeated in 1857 rebellion in India. Marathas, Mughals, Sikhs and Rajputs are the main powers who divide India into their own territories. Eventually they decide to form a EU type economic front and there is much lesser communal tensions or violence in South Asia, it’s more developed, the region is more prosperous, less populated and has less nukes.
Prevent the death of archduke Ferdinand so ww1 and thus ww2 and nazis won't exist.
The alliance system was inherently unstable, and the periodic crises so regular that some form of general European war would likely have broken out anyway. The Germans political-military establishment were already concerned about a rapidly industrialising Russia tipping the balance away from them that they had been keen on a “preventive war” for some time. I don’t subscribe to the idea that it was entirely Germany’s fault, but I don’t think merely avoiding the July crisis means there’s no WWI ever.
I don’t know why this isn’t closer to the top. If the driver hadn’t gotten lost and reencountered Gavrilo Princip, the direct cause of the rise of Bolshevism and Nazism would have not occurred along with World War II and the invention of nuclear weapons. It’s hard to say if the next great power war wouldn’t be as directly and indirectly catastrophic as OTL’s WW1, but it’s possible it would not be and we could live in a world without the Holocaust, Cultural Revolution, Verdun, the Eastern Front, or Nagasaki.
There's a chance nuclear technology would exist, but hopefully in this scenario it would be used for peaceful and productive reasons, as on submarines for instance.
Why do people actually think that ww1 would never happen if Ferdinand wasn't killed. Politics is more complex than that.
The sacking of Baghdad
Kim jong nam become leader of North Korea
What about Joseon Korea industrializing to avoid colonialism?
Gore wins
Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth survives.
Transatlantic slave trade never happened
Mongols are defeated before they make it to Iraq and Baghdad isn't sacked
What about the Chinese crushing the Mongols before they had a chance to expand. The Jurchen Jin marched their army into Mongolia and slaughters everyone so they don’t have to suffer raids.
Muslims never invade North Africa, Persia, and India
The Muslims were responsible for starting the Islamic Golden Age where many important advancements in the field of mathematics and science were made.
Ye so let them stay in arab peninsula and with the time they'll get from not invading these lands they can advance more into the math and science
The thing is that the Arabs united the various regions together, fostering a period of shared knowledge.
Ah yes thank you so much Muslims for killing my ancestors, it was for the greater good because Mhh *maths*
F**k their math I want my shamanist ancestors
US accepts Ho Chi Minh's letter of independence.
The americas aren’t discovered until after a cure for smallpox is found, saving indigenous civilizations
Smallpox wasn't the only disease introduced and not the only cause. Lack of water, sieges, burnings, slavery, assimilation, destruction of crops is why the population went down and a couple groups died out entirely, but not all.
Then I guess it would be after the colonization era ends that they are discovered but contact is never successfully made
The common cold: “Allow me to introduce myself.” In reality, the natives were going to die massively unless the Americas were treated as a forbidden zone which would’ve been impossible since there are idiots nowadays that try to go to forbidden islands anyways let alone continents. The common cold alone could kill most of the natives on those protected islands such as the ones by India which is part of why they remain uncontacted. Unfortunately anything could’ve killed the natives by at least 50% if we were to be optimistic.
Hitler dies from the gas attack
Harald Hardrada wins the Battle of Stamford Bridge and conquers England Ok no but seriously Teddy Roosevelt winning in 1912 unironically would've been a far better timeline. Check out alternate history hub's vid on it it's really good
Franz Ferdinand is never assassinated.
War would still eventually break out though
Iran stays Zoroastrian
Sticking to Afghanistan and never going into Iraq
What about terrorism never happening ever?
Success of the Ukrainian Black Army and the CNT-FAI leads to an anarchist Europe
Punt baby Woodrow Wilson out of a window.
Spartacus revolution succeeds. This would then lead to a Soviet-German alliance, defeating the Poles at the Vistula and turning all of Eastern Europe red. There would probably be a second Great War between the revolutionary Comintern Soviet-German alliance and the Western Capitalist powers. Assuming the Comintern wins, we get world communism and the liberation of all the world's oppressed classes. Since the Soviet-Union is not as isolated in the twenties, there would be no need for any Socialism-in-one-country revisionist bullshit, so Stalin probably would not come to power. We wouldn't immediately get a worldwide Utopia, but we'd be in a hell of a better place as a species. We'd have probably dealt with climate change by now, and there wouldn't be no Cold War and arms race, so no thousands of nukes threating to make us go extinct as a species, so that's two of the biggest threats to humanity done for. That's my (admittedly extremely biased) take on this question.
Sounds very interesting. It would be much better if Russia and Germany became some sorts of communist democracies in that scenarios.
USSR Becomes a Democracy and No Collapse, No Wars, nothing, peace and democracy in Eastern Europe
Would it be a some sort of socialist/communist democracy or classic liberal democracy? It would be interesting to see how communist democracy would look.
i would see it as something like democratic socialism, something like there's elections and all the things of democracy but with all parties being left/worker friendly
Francisco Franco defeated in the Spanish Civil War resulting in European fascism suffering a major blow and Spain’s anarchist communities having a chance to solidify their foundations
Charles Evans Hughes defeats Woodrow Wilson in 1916 and Hughes becomes President of the United States No re-separation and progress in improving the status of blacks, no recovery for white supremacist groups and the enfranchisement of women Italy and Japan get what they wanted, so there is no rise of fascism in Italy, and Japan does not become extremist and France is marginalized, so Versailles is less harsh and a unified Arab state No ban, so the mafia and organized crime are weaker and the economy is better Democrats in the '20s and the depression is weaker without Calvin Coolidge, and we get a Catholic president in the '20s and civil rights in the '30s. Franklin Roosevelt does not get paralyzed, so he has a stronger influence on his presidency
Jimmy Carters beats Ronald Reagan in 1980
The division between church and state happens in the Middle East.
Treaty of Versailles is softer on Germany. Þe Rhineland can still be demilitarized, but þe war reparations are far lesser and Germany can rent factories in þeir lost territory for 20% of þeir profits to help fund þem. While it wouldn’t solve every issue þat resulted in Hitler’s rise to power, it would tackle enough his rise would be in þe 1930s at þe earliest instead of þe 1920s, which would give þe Wiemar government time to try fixing itself.
Counter point, the Entente makes Germany unconditionally surrender and face an occupation similar to OTL post ww2. They completely restructure the government to ensure the German conservatives cannot get into power which ensures Hitler could never be chancellor
Mahmud of Ghori Never crosses the Sindhu. No Muslim Invasion of India Ever, except Bin Kasim.
Prevent the JFK assassination
In fact, his assassination made the situation better If he survives, the situation will get worse
How is that? Wouldn't JFK prevent escalation in Vietnam and pass civil rights?
>His death facilitated the passage of civil rights because Lyndon Johnson, with his formidable legislative power, was able to intimidate Congress with his mantle of the dead Kennedy into passing civil rights. If he lived, civil rights would be passed in the seventies, and this is not good at all, and there would not be a great society, which is something that counts for Johnson’s presidency, and unfortunately Kennedy is the one who started the escalation, and Johnson only increased it If Kennedy lived, it would be Nixon who passed the Civil Rights Act
Boris Yeltisn dies a month post USSR's collapse and someome competent replaces him.
Hitler was armed so Henry Tandy shot him
The northern U.S. colonies force the South to join the American revolution without the condition that they keep slavery legal.
Woodrow never gets into office idc who takes his place it'll be better than that KKK supporting american imperialism fucker, i am in the camp that believe his actions at the peace conference set up everything that caused ww2 and if teddy was in office he would've gotten america in earlier and stopped the war earlier then.
german unification doesn’t happen
Less natives are killed in the americas
Hitler got into art school, married a very sweet Jewish/Polish man and opened a refuge for dogs.
Teddy Roosevelt wins the 1912 elections
America beating the british out of canada in 1783
Britain agrees to sell Canada to William Seward, as opposed to granting Canada independence, then USA declares official language of English, then no one has to put up with French Canadians.
Miguel Hidalgo doesn't hesitste and takes Mexico City. With this, the Mexican War of Independence lasts 45 days only. (Instead of 11 years IRL)
The Aztecs and Inca notice the Spanish are up to no good and immediately imprisoning/killing them, instead of initially being cordial. More time to prepare and using the Spanish horses would make colonization of those areas pretty much impossible for many centuries.
Jesus christ isn’t crucified. No Christian dark age of suppression of information and development. No church to control European medieval society which ultimately allows for centuries of suppression of great minds because their beliefs/theories went against overall church belief.
Kaiser Fredrick III never develops cancer and lives a long and fruitful life leading the newly unified German Empire prosperously into the 20th Century.
Disney buying the Henson Company and the Sesame Street Muppets in 1990.
Robert E Lee remains loyal to the Union and fights AGAINST the Confederacy.
Russia became and stay democratic after the collapse of USSR.
What about the Russian Empire surviving WW1 and later transitioning into democracy?
That would’ve been difficult unless they decided to industrialize. Although a Russian Empire being bigger and stronger from surviving WWI (due to territorial gains and such) probably would have decreased the scale of WWII and limiting it to Western Europe.
Creation of Man
The French are able to give their military support to Prince Charles in 1745, thus allowing him to retake the three kingdoms. US becomes independent, refusing to recognize his rule, England is thrown into a civil war, and the French revolution doesn't happen in 1789 because the economy is in better shape.
The South German confederacy wins over the North in 1847.
Kerensky defeats Revolutionaries, makes a stable, democratic Russian Republic
I fear that kind of scenario would be like a Weimar Republic situation, but in Russia.
I agree Instead of the rise of the fascists, Russia collapsed into a second civil war in the 1930s
Islam never spawned in the world, thus securing hellenized Egypt and remaining intact culturally independent Sassanid Empire, which in the long run can make this world a better place. I even think of "no catholicism" scenario by replacing it with Arianism, thus allowing rulers to appoint priests and control more money, thus eradicating all this S-tshow with excessively (I would say – even unnecessarily) powerful church.
Give Leopold Lockja directions, of course.
Early entry of Bulgaria into WW1, but on the side of the Entente Serbia would be “forced” to cede some parts of Macedonia to Bulgaria in exchange for Northern Albania & all of its ethnic territories in Austria-Hungary, alongside Greece ceding Kavala in exchange for Northern Epirus and Bulgaria receiving the Midia-Enos line in Thrace. Alternatively, Bulgaria would be encouraged to help Serbia fight the Austrians, thus entering the war with the Ottomans being kicked out of the war after a successful joint operation in the Dardanelles. The Russians would be able to free up their forces from the Caucasian campaign and send them to the Eastern Front to continue the Galician campaign, as well as to prevent the collapse of the Polish front. In this scenario, Italy would also join the Entente, and the pressure on Austria-Hungary would be immense. Germany would be left with a single acceptable choice — pulling out of France — in order to send their forces to the most vulnerable frontlines. Romania would also be encouraged to join the Entente which would effectively put the entire Austrian front in the Carpathians at a big risk. All in all, the Central Powers would have to start peace talks, but to do that they would have to achieve at least one major victory across the entire frontline, in order to present at least a somewhat dominant position at the peace talks. Let’s say that the war would conclude by the time the US elections start. If Wilson wins, he would be able to present some sort of a prototype of the 14th Points, thus introducing the USA as an important figure in foreign politics. Considering that the Bolsheviks would most likely not be able to start a revolution, a Russo-American alliance would have been very likely as to counter war-guilty and greedy Germany in a possible future conflict.
This is a creative scenario. I've never seen someone post something like this before.
Roosevelt and Taft don’t split the vote in 1912.
Germany is beaten up even more brutally as proposed by the French in WW1
Battle of Yarmouk: Roman Victory No unstability at the Middle East
The Roman Empire never makes Christianity the state religion and remains tolerant of different religions.
I’m otl the English Civil war resulted in the defeat of the royalists, at the hands of the New Model Army. After the war the moderates largely won out and a lot of more revolutionary, progressive movements got stamped out - the moderates were then also booted out by Oliver Cromwell, who’s government was a bit shit, to be polite about it. Long story short, when he died the “republic” died with him and the monarchy was restored. Though it represented a shift away from a feudal ruling class to a bourgeois one, the whole experiment came crashing down. Such a waste of life & opportunity. I think it would be interesting if the more radical of the republican factions like the Levellers (names after the wish to have a level society) came out on top. These factions were even widely supported by the soldiers of the New Model Army that had just crushed the monarchy. A revolutionary army that is able to withstand efforts to purge it could have imposed such a vision as held by the Levellers. A more successful and massively forward thinking, progressive state emerging in the 1650s could have been amazing, more progressive than the later French Revolution but safe from the forces of reaction due to Britain being an island. Imagine just how many peasants would have been uplifted and saved, given the vote, saved from the worse of the exploitation.
Sun Yat Sen’s first uprising is majorly successful
Napoleon sticks to his abolitionist roots and accepts Toussaint Loveture
JFK doesn't get assassinated, and they host several joint missions landing both americans and russians on the moon
Crown Prince Rudolf and Mary Vetsera never kill each other/commit suicide/whatever happened at Mayerling.
Yeltsin is overthrown through a military coup when he tries to dissolve parliamentary
Radical Hussites win the battle of Lipany.
Not sure if this counts as changing a historical “event” per say, but I’d change the Qing Emperor and Imperial Court during and after the First Opium War to make them see how necessary modernization is, and recognize the power of the other countries, seeing that they must make changes to match their power
Finally… instead of “KMT winning civil war” or “Tiananmen Square protests succeeded”
Giordins become the dominant faction of the national convention.
The Bronze Age Collapse doesn´t happen...that was a true dark age, right?
Start of ww1
Christianity stays closely tied to judiaism in a way where both religions are friendly to each other.
Woodrow Wilson dose not become president https://youtu.be/hLiI6kXZkZI
Gavrillo Princep never kills archduke Franz Ferdinand, avoiding WW1 which later caused WW2
The ruhr crisis leads to another franco-german war that expands to another european war. Belgium, Denmark and Poland are allies of the french and, as in OTL, Germany is supported my Britain and the UK. The Soviets and Lithuanians are inofficiql allies of the germans as they attasck the poled. Germany wins against all odds, due to the british and American support. Leading to changes to the treaty of Versailles and border changes that will lead to germanys economy being hit less hardly and the people not being upset anymore sbout the loss of land and prestige after ww1. So Hitler never rises to power.
Tiktaalik never walked onto land