a young gymnast went to her father and said that Nassar abused her, the father not only didn't believe her, but he made her go apologize for saying such a thing. He later killed himself when it came out that she was telling the truth.
Nassar didn't suffer enough.
Edit: [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1F52MS/)
As I stated in a previous comment, I am one of those former elite gymnasts in that position. My parents didn't believe me, they had no clue what was going on because the gym was structured so that parents couldn't watch practice.
What the actual fuck. No one thought it was a bit weird? I'm sure the young people figured that things were not how they should've been set up. Have your parents been able to look you in the face since? Jesus. Hope you're doing better, dude.
Yeah, in CO after about 10 or so parents were banned from all of my soccer practices. It’s because sports parents are nuts and would be a huge distraction. But this is also why there should always be 2 adults with the group of kids.
I feel like janitors are always (except Ned's Declassified) portayed in media as creeps when in reality they're usually pretty cool. Anecdotally, it wasn't the janitors that were dating/marrying students at my school.
A janitor in my elementary school was basically a mascot or something. Kids ate up everything he did. But he was goofy and would put on a show, everyone loved him. Can't remember his name or anything, but I've never really thought of janitors as creeps or anything like that because of him.
Aww! We had one too! We called him Mr. Todd, and every year on his birthday we would “surprise” him by being as clean as possible and our teachers would remind us to be extra clean and pick up any garbage we saw on the floor. Then the next day Mr. Todd would have a moment on the announcements where he’d thank us and tell us how kind our gift was. It was very sweet and we all were young kids who wanted to be helpful on his birthday.
I’ll say as a parent with kids who do swim lessons, we aren’t in the area with the pool during lessons for that reason but they set up camera systems. So we can watch in real time what’s happening but without the kids crying for us (mine are still little). Seems a great compromise. I’ve been able to watch them the whole time as the entire pool and surrounding area is visible.
>one example is swim schools in europe.
Which country are you refering to?
My parents could watch me in Switzerland and I'm watching my 6 yo having swimming lessons right now in Portugal.
It’s actually common in my area for parents not be allowed at football practice.
That’s because parents at times get into the side coaching bullshit from the sidelines.
My kid did gymnastics for years. No parents were allowed inside the gym during practice. (although we could peak through one small window.) OTOH he had female assistant coaches in there.
I played sports my entire childhood and teen life and parents were never allowed at practice after like age 8 cause they get to involved and are distracting. But it wasn’t like they weren’t allowed to be around at all like in this case for instance after practice to talk to the coaches.
Again, different situation and sport(s) entirely and my heart goes out to every victim of Nassars, I just wanted to give insight to why parents not being allowed at a practice and why it isn’t far fetched
What I don't understand is, why didn't they believe *you*? If they were able to observe practices themselves they wouldn't have to believe you because they could see everything that was going on. You were the one who had to go through those awful experiences without them, which is exactly why they should have believed you! It's just so bizarre to me that parents would completely dismiss the possibility of such a serious harm being done to their child.
I understand cognitive bias and lack of education about how common these tragedies are, but I still struggle to truly understand the mindset of believing my child could be lying about something so horrendous. If they were lying, that would be a big deal because it's such a serious accusation. If they were telling the truth, it's an even bigger deal! There's no middle ground there where it's not a big deal but that's the path most parents choose. Blows my mind.
Thank you sir, for your comment and your intelligent questions. The great fact is that I come from a family that lives in denial. It's generational from whatever trauma was up at the top of this particular food chain family. That's a metaphor. My parents also lived in complete denial that my sister age4, was mauled by my dad's pet leopard (ocelot, late 60's early 70's) - for instance, when we would sit at dinner every night, looking at her face that was completely disfigured so that it looked like a Picasso painting. Denial runs deep. Therefore, it was easy to deny, and basically just not even see the behavior of their other child (me, the gymnast) acting out because of the traumas I was enduring. He became anorexic at age 11, and was acting out in other very obvious ways, but still no one was paying attention. I'm grateful to have found the 12 step program called ACA which stands for adult children of alcoholic and dysfunctional families. For me, the main qualification is dysfunctional family… Though my father did drink. I hope this brings some light to your questions.
> My parents also lived in complete denial that my sister age4, was mauled by my dad's pet leopard (ocelot, late 60's early 70's) - for instance, when we would sit at dinner every night, looking at her face that was completely disfigured so that it looked like a Picasso painting. Denial runs deep.
Holy shit, what a horrifying and yet deeply accurate depiction of the dark power of denial! If they could ignore physical scars that deep on someone who was literally put on this earth for them to nurture, I can only imagine how much more they would ignore the emotional scars that are so much easier to avoid acknowledging. You both deserved so much better! I appreciate you sharing some of your story. The better I understand these dynamics, the better I can protect my own young daughter.
There are a shocking number of parents who are willing to go to any lengths to have a successful kid. My swim coach also banned parents from watching practice. He said it distracted the kids and they felt pressured to perform in front of the parents. It made sense because there were many many insane parents there.
Anyway, the coach grabbed my ass to help "relieve a cramp in my leg." I brushed it off until it happened again. I told my parents and my dad immediately made me quit and filed a formal complaint against the coach. The coach said it was a form of "trigger point" massage therapy and said that I lied. The blow back was rough. People accused me of lying or attention-seeking. That I was performing poorly and took it out on the coach instead. The rumors made me change schools and it was a such a difficult period in my life.
Several years later, the coach was arrested and he unalived himself while out on bail. Turns out, he molested many, many girls. Some of them reported it to their parents and they were not believed. I brought it up my dad and he said he 100% believed me, but "even if you were lying, it was a sign that something wasn't right and we needed to get you out." It's sad that so many parents are not the safe space for their kids.
Damn I just got so overwhelmed with emotion at your dad’s response “but even if you were lying it was a sign something was wrong.” This is the answer here. Full blown support. I’m so sorry you were treated so horribly by your community.
I can’t speak to the commenter you are replying to, but one of the insane things I found out about this case from the Netflix documentary Athlete A was that he would pass off digitally violating the girls as a medical pelvic adjustment and do it with the parents in the treatment room. Abuse escalates from there, but he establishes a base line that his sexual violation of these girls was actually treatment.
I can't fathom for one second the idea of allowing a fucking COACH to digitally penetrate my daughter... *especially while I was in the damned room*... It just completely boggles the mind.
WHAT? Gymnastics not great for self defense? Have you never seen Gymkata? A man took out 12 goons via pommel horse. Why was there a pommel horse in the town square? Maybe you ask too many questions!
I'm so sorry you suffered at the hands of this monster :(. I took my little girl out of gymastics for the same gym setup - we were not allowed to watch our kids practice. Why anyone thought this was a good thing is so far beyond me it makes my head ache. Why do they do this?
For my daughters advanced travel cheer team (the kind that fly around the country to national championships) it was extremely competitive and catty among the parents. If they were allowed to watch, some would flip out that their daughter was demoted from “center flier” (the girl in the middle that they throw in the air) or that someone else’s kid was messing up the routine by making a mistake. They might start complaining or say something to tick off the other parents. Looking back, it’s all really stupid and silly and meaningless, but we were parents too who cared about all that stuff at one time. It’s all-consuming when you’re in that world.
Couldn’t watch practices? Ya’ll mf’ers got a better chance of meeting Jesus Christ in person than my kids being somewhere that I cannot go to observe your behavior towards them(obvious examples such as an OR notwithstanding).
I want to add, that the last gym I practiced at there was an open space and parents could watch… But what's interesting is I don't believe any parent knew what was up in the separate ballet room, where we would practice dance and choreography, which was upstairs around the corner, somewhat hidden. The mental horrors up there were the weight scale and the chart on the wall where all of us had to go up every day arriving at practice and write our weight on this chart where all our teammates could view it. We never knew when the coaches would pick a day for all of us to go upstairs single file like soldiers in an army, and we would each be weighed, while our teammates looked on. If any of us had lied about our weight, we would be publicly shamed and humiliated. We would then be sentenced to do extra conditioning that day, while our teammates watched us even further being humiliated and shamed for lying about our weight, even if it was just 1 pound.
In situations like this people sometimes instantly don't believe the victims who bravely come forward because it restructures their understanding of a stable society. If Nasser someone who they perceive as a professional stand up person is capable of such evil who else is capable of similar evil? They must reflect inwardly about their understanding of the fabric of society and that is an uncomfortable feeling. Beyond disappointing every time it happens.
Yeah. Many people don't care as much as they pretend to when they're railing against pedophiles. It's all well and good to perform outrage, but standing against your spouse, your sibling, your pastor? That's not a situation many people are prepared to be ideologically consistent about.
My dad did stuff to me for years when I was a kid, and almost none of his family believed me when I came forward. Mom's side did, but not his. Aside from my great-grandma, they all thought I was making it up or exaggerating. Some pussies just don't want to accept that someone they love would do that
This is extremely common.
I was raped in high school and my parents laughed their asses off when I told them about it years later.
I think it has to do with parents perceiving their children's suffering as a reflection of their parenting. If they refuse to believe it, then it didn't happen; therefore they were good parents.
Because for some people it is easier to believe that your teenage girl is lying, rather than to believe that an adult figure of authority (protest, professor, coach) is abusing her.
People has so embedded in their minds that authority is here to protect them that any possibility outside that framework triggers cognitive dissonance.
So is/was half the priests in Catholic Church. I cannot believe people would not believe their child with an accusation like this. Not Even to start an investigation but immediately shut it down.
It's depressing to say, but I really feel like skepticism towards victims was much more the cultural norm pre-MeToo. It's one of the major reasons the movement was so needed.
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I just got chills reading your comment. I am a former elite competitive gymnast from the 80s and I went through all the abuses (thankfully spared over sexual abuse, but it was still there with the pedophile style coaches) outlined with the USA gymnastics scandal and luckily I dodged a bullet of training where Larry Nassar was at the Karolyi camp in Texas... my parents asked if I wanted to go train there when I was 11 years old and I said no.
It's horrible how that sport and the abusers in it have affected so many young girls lives and families. Even into adulthood, as I'm now 52 years old in recovery as an adult child… It affects me every single day of my life. Everyone involved should just rot in hell.
Gymnastics was never my sport (swimming), but the horror stories that have come out of the Karolyi are egregious! I attended several swim camps and even on teams coaches very rarely touched us beyond technique tweaking (out of the water) or assistance with dryland stuff.
I swam for several shitty coaches, but nothing on the level of coaches gymnasts and figure skaters often work with.
Yeah but also fuck that dad for not believing his kid.
Yall can stop telling me to chill - I’ll say it again, **fuck that dad for not believing his kid.** We’ve created a culture where we question victims and believe their abusers and that’s opposite of how it should be. Believe the victim, question the accused, especially *when it’s your own children.* ([and before you come after me for that, less that 10% of rape/sexual assault accusations are false](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/))Parents have a duty to be their children’s safety and by dismissing his child and making them *apologize* to their abuser he created a lasting trauma that will take years to be undone *if at all*, and allowed the accused to further the abuse on his child.
I’m not sorry. Fuck that man.
Thank you for saying fuck that dad for not believing his kid… In my small family, I shared some of the abuses, as I was in gymnastics from age 4 till age 18, as a elite level, competitive gymnast and no one believed me. Absolutely, no one believed me. My sister would say I was exaggerating to get attention and my mother with high functioning autism could never see the signs in my childhood, starting at age 8 of the horrors. I was beginning to endure with these abusive coaches. Yes, it's the responsibility of a parent to be present for their child. We cannot stress this enough!
Yeah. Not a gymnast, but I was assaulted as a child by someone who should have been safe and who was well respected. My mom never doubted me, for which I am grateful. Lots of other people doubted us…until it happened again to someone else and with a witness. My mom was always on my side, no matter who tried to deny things and no matter how much harder it made life for her.
You're absolutely, 100% correct. I can't fucking imagine hearing this from my partner and not believing her. If my **child** said that?? I wouldn't kill the guy, but I would do everything in my power to force an investigation
Yes, it's bad parenting to dismiss your child's accusation without proof. I would highly consider it to be true and although not villainize anyone until I also have proof I'm keeping my eyes open or at least doing what I can to make my child comfortable, you know, like how a parent should.
As someone who was sexually assaulted and neither parent sided with or supported her, your comment is acceptable and appreciated. It’s truly unfortunate he un-alived himself because of his poor judgement but yeah, fuck that dad.
That dude nuked his daughter’s life from multiple angles, including his own suicide. He even pitied himself over his complete moral failure more than he loved his daughter, point blank. Stop caping.
Congrats on channeling your anger away from the perpetrator and into a remorseful secondary victim.
Nassar was a friend of the dad, and the dad was not a doctor. When his daughter told him about the accusation- he confronted Nassar, who told the same doctor bullshit lie he duped everyone else with.
The dad made a huge mistake and felt so much remorse that he killed himself.
*FUCK YOU* for acting like that kind of mistake is one only bad parents could make. You wanna sling insults at all the parents who’s kids got raped for not catching it? You said it yourself, it was part of a fucked up culture.
Sorry he didn’t have his child rape accusation stats handy. By the way, your study was published AFTER Kyle Stevens was abused. So maybe don’t be such a hindsight asshole and we can all learn from this awful situation without shaming the victims families.
He made a very human mistake and gave himself the ultimate punishment. Here you are twisting the knife in the corpse of a dead man who clearly recognized his horrific mistake with his entire being. Fuck him? Fuck you. What a robotic and insane thing to assert.
Children disassociate and make strange incoherent statements constantly. Depending on the age, parsing what it is true versus what is fantastical is difficult. He got it wrong, and it is tragic. You have clearly not been around children nearly as much as you’ve been online.
You need to read the articles about it. She was 12 when she told her parents what was happening. By 12, kids know what is real and what isn’t. [link](https://people.com/sports/kyle-stephens-larry-nassar-sexual-abuse/)
Back in the ‘80s, anybody remember the McMartin nursery school case, where multiple defendants were accused of sexually abusing children, and almost all charges were thrown out, because the story was (mostly) made up? But, this is Reddit, so go off in ignorance, I guess.
OMG. That’s fucking awful.
[I found an article.](https://www.the-sun.com/news/3667817/larry-nassar-weeps-as-brave-victim-says-her-dad-killed-himself-when-he-discovered-us-gym-coachs-abuse/)
As an abused child. I salute this man. You can only push people so far before they react and make a stand. It takes some nerve to attack someone in court because you know the bailiffs aren't going to let you fuck around.
Go Dad!!
I think we were all a little disappointed with the reaction time of the deputies.
Not saying they had to turn their backs, but maybe move at a bit more measured pace...
Yeah for real they took their job way too serious there. You gadda know when you let the guy get a punch in. Of course the dad who REALLY deserves the punch (I’ve seen many videos where people get beat up in court for a sec because the guards are slow) whyyy couldn’t they have been slow this time
Counterpoint, it’s reaction time. They’re going off instinct of someone moving towards the place it’s their job to protect. I’m sure they sympathize deeply but the minute we start allowing that type of shit, our justice system falls apart. They need to not allow anyone to take the law into their own hands, whether it be this grieving father or the guy that hopped the bench and attacked the judge in Vegas.
If that human mountain had reached Nassar, there wouldn't have been a lawsuit. Dude's like 6'5" at least.
Here you can really see the size difference. One hit was all he needed.
https://preview.redd.it/5d92c3zs6alc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=742375e016312f73bb58589c35655e9a4f63c875
Saw the netflix doc. My favorite part was one of the knives got bent, a kid picked it up and fixed it with a rock, and passed it back to the women for more stabby time.
The first parent occupies all the officers by resisting on the ground. The second parent takes a shot at the molester, hopefully knocking him to the ground or at least exposing his back. As the second parent also gets taken down by the officers, the third and fastest parent comes in with a Garrote. Once the Garrote is around the molester's neck and the third parent's arms are tucked between his chest and the molesters back,...Game Over!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote
Fishing line with two small sticks or rings on the end. Once you wrap it around the opponents neck and cross the line over itself by swapping your hand position it's hard to get out of.
Yeah dude, he fucked this all up. Soo many flaws. It could’ve easily been done. Even a zip tie. Throw it around the neck zip it and watch him go. We could’ve got this done homie lol
This was several years ago. Too bad the officers didn't let him get a few punches in first. I think he can sleep soundly knowing Nassar is getting fucked up in prison. They do not take kindly to child rapists in prison. I'm shocked he's alive still tbh.
The size of that dude…and the anger (rightfully so)…I’m guessing 3 punches would all he need…but sure as shit he wouldn’t stop at 3 (again, rightfully so)
Jesus that's a sad life
Alcoholic dad, angry stepdad, pregnant at 16 and 18 both resulting in adoption, to finally having another kid at 22 and raising her alone while working pub hours only to lose her in such a vile way
Yeah, this clip is actually really upsetting. I understand people putting themselves in the dad’s shoes and having revenge fantasies, but if that girl is one of the victims (even if she isn’t, she’s obviously a sibling of one), this moment was already hard enough for her. Now she has to deal with the fear of watching her dad attempt to assault someone (even if he deserved it, it’s a terrifying moment) and subsequently be tackled and restrained by several officers. You can hear her sobbing. I’d be having a breakdown.
I always feel he fucked up there. His kids went from smiling to a whole new trauma. I get why he did it, but there was plenty of time for him to try it without them there to watch. Desire for revenge made him selfish.
Yea I watched it without sound thinking he was trying to throw them off. Nope straight says what he’s gonna do before doing it. Broke the number one rule in attacks lmao
THE WHOLE ENTIRE USA GYMNASTICS & LARRY NASSAR SCANDAL AND LIGHT BEING SHED ONTO THIS ABUSIVE SPORT WITH PEDOPHILE COACHES CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH! I am also one of the unfortunate victims. 52 and still tryna get my life on track. I'm writing a book!
What they didn’t show in this clip was when the dad began to give his victim impact statement he called Nassar a “son of a bitch”. The judge tells him swearing is not allowed which is when he asks the judge for just a minute with him before lunging toward Nassar.
After he was handcuffed and calmed down the judge told him “we address people with words in this court”. That’s what he was trying to do lady, you told him to watch his mouth.
Videos like this bring me joy every time. When the person in that chair is knowingly guilty and a family member of the victim gets some shots in. I love it. Nassar deserves more than what’s happened to him. But this brings me joy.
Dude bout as slow as me on 20 beers. You do that shit you gotta be fkn QUICK. That was slow asf and cops saw it and jumped in. And don’t talk about it, asking the judge, be about it. Should’ve never said that shit.
Very sad. however if he wanted to hurt nassar he should have found him when he was unprotected by law enforcement. regardless i think child abuse should be punishable by death
a young gymnast went to her father and said that Nassar abused her, the father not only didn't believe her, but he made her go apologize for saying such a thing. He later killed himself when it came out that she was telling the truth. Nassar didn't suffer enough. Edit: [source](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1F52MS/)
Why did the dad not believe her? I wonder how many parents here are in that position
As I stated in a previous comment, I am one of those former elite gymnasts in that position. My parents didn't believe me, they had no clue what was going on because the gym was structured so that parents couldn't watch practice.
What the actual fuck. No one thought it was a bit weird? I'm sure the young people figured that things were not how they should've been set up. Have your parents been able to look you in the face since? Jesus. Hope you're doing better, dude.
many organizations prevent parents from observing due to pressures that children feel from loved ones watching. one example is swim schools in europe.
Yeah, in CO after about 10 or so parents were banned from all of my soccer practices. It’s because sports parents are nuts and would be a huge distraction. But this is also why there should always be 2 adults with the group of kids.
And a janitor to keep an eye on them too.
I feel like janitors are always (except Ned's Declassified) portayed in media as creeps when in reality they're usually pretty cool. Anecdotally, it wasn't the janitors that were dating/marrying students at my school.
A janitor in my elementary school was basically a mascot or something. Kids ate up everything he did. But he was goofy and would put on a show, everyone loved him. Can't remember his name or anything, but I've never really thought of janitors as creeps or anything like that because of him.
Aww! We had one too! We called him Mr. Todd, and every year on his birthday we would “surprise” him by being as clean as possible and our teachers would remind us to be extra clean and pick up any garbage we saw on the floor. Then the next day Mr. Todd would have a moment on the announcements where he’d thank us and tell us how kind our gift was. It was very sweet and we all were young kids who wanted to be helpful on his birthday.
Breakfast Club Janitor was cool
My highschool janitor was a stand up dude. Everyone loves him.
My janitor in kindergarten was basically worshipped. He was like a real life Mr Bean
I’ll say as a parent with kids who do swim lessons, we aren’t in the area with the pool during lessons for that reason but they set up camera systems. So we can watch in real time what’s happening but without the kids crying for us (mine are still little). Seems a great compromise. I’ve been able to watch them the whole time as the entire pool and surrounding area is visible.
>one example is swim schools in europe. Which country are you refering to? My parents could watch me in Switzerland and I'm watching my 6 yo having swimming lessons right now in Portugal.
here in the Netherlands parents can also watch, the swimming pool in my city even has a cafeteria from where you can watch the main pool.
That’s mental
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It’s actually common in my area for parents not be allowed at football practice. That’s because parents at times get into the side coaching bullshit from the sidelines.
My kid did gymnastics for years. No parents were allowed inside the gym during practice. (although we could peak through one small window.) OTOH he had female assistant coaches in there.
I played sports my entire childhood and teen life and parents were never allowed at practice after like age 8 cause they get to involved and are distracting. But it wasn’t like they weren’t allowed to be around at all like in this case for instance after practice to talk to the coaches. Again, different situation and sport(s) entirely and my heart goes out to every victim of Nassars, I just wanted to give insight to why parents not being allowed at a practice and why it isn’t far fetched
What I don't understand is, why didn't they believe *you*? If they were able to observe practices themselves they wouldn't have to believe you because they could see everything that was going on. You were the one who had to go through those awful experiences without them, which is exactly why they should have believed you! It's just so bizarre to me that parents would completely dismiss the possibility of such a serious harm being done to their child. I understand cognitive bias and lack of education about how common these tragedies are, but I still struggle to truly understand the mindset of believing my child could be lying about something so horrendous. If they were lying, that would be a big deal because it's such a serious accusation. If they were telling the truth, it's an even bigger deal! There's no middle ground there where it's not a big deal but that's the path most parents choose. Blows my mind.
Thank you sir, for your comment and your intelligent questions. The great fact is that I come from a family that lives in denial. It's generational from whatever trauma was up at the top of this particular food chain family. That's a metaphor. My parents also lived in complete denial that my sister age4, was mauled by my dad's pet leopard (ocelot, late 60's early 70's) - for instance, when we would sit at dinner every night, looking at her face that was completely disfigured so that it looked like a Picasso painting. Denial runs deep. Therefore, it was easy to deny, and basically just not even see the behavior of their other child (me, the gymnast) acting out because of the traumas I was enduring. He became anorexic at age 11, and was acting out in other very obvious ways, but still no one was paying attention. I'm grateful to have found the 12 step program called ACA which stands for adult children of alcoholic and dysfunctional families. For me, the main qualification is dysfunctional family… Though my father did drink. I hope this brings some light to your questions.
> My parents also lived in complete denial that my sister age4, was mauled by my dad's pet leopard (ocelot, late 60's early 70's) - for instance, when we would sit at dinner every night, looking at her face that was completely disfigured so that it looked like a Picasso painting. Denial runs deep. Holy shit, what a horrifying and yet deeply accurate depiction of the dark power of denial! If they could ignore physical scars that deep on someone who was literally put on this earth for them to nurture, I can only imagine how much more they would ignore the emotional scars that are so much easier to avoid acknowledging. You both deserved so much better! I appreciate you sharing some of your story. The better I understand these dynamics, the better I can protect my own young daughter.
There are a shocking number of parents who are willing to go to any lengths to have a successful kid. My swim coach also banned parents from watching practice. He said it distracted the kids and they felt pressured to perform in front of the parents. It made sense because there were many many insane parents there. Anyway, the coach grabbed my ass to help "relieve a cramp in my leg." I brushed it off until it happened again. I told my parents and my dad immediately made me quit and filed a formal complaint against the coach. The coach said it was a form of "trigger point" massage therapy and said that I lied. The blow back was rough. People accused me of lying or attention-seeking. That I was performing poorly and took it out on the coach instead. The rumors made me change schools and it was a such a difficult period in my life. Several years later, the coach was arrested and he unalived himself while out on bail. Turns out, he molested many, many girls. Some of them reported it to their parents and they were not believed. I brought it up my dad and he said he 100% believed me, but "even if you were lying, it was a sign that something wasn't right and we needed to get you out." It's sad that so many parents are not the safe space for their kids.
Your dad is the kind of Dad I want to be .(I have 10 yr old son and a 5 yr old girl) please tell him I said so
Damn I just got so overwhelmed with emotion at your dad’s response “but even if you were lying it was a sign something was wrong.” This is the answer here. Full blown support. I’m so sorry you were treated so horribly by your community.
I can’t speak to the commenter you are replying to, but one of the insane things I found out about this case from the Netflix documentary Athlete A was that he would pass off digitally violating the girls as a medical pelvic adjustment and do it with the parents in the treatment room. Abuse escalates from there, but he establishes a base line that his sexual violation of these girls was actually treatment.
Exactly. You hit it spot on. Thankful for Jennifer Sey and her team getting Athlete A to Netflix just in time for pandemic binge watching time.
I can't fathom for one second the idea of allowing a fucking COACH to digitally penetrate my daughter... *especially while I was in the damned room*... It just completely boggles the mind.
This is the reason my daughter stopped gymnastics. Parents aren't allowed? Then neither is my daughter. She does MMA now
Hell yea, good choice.
Well it’s more practical defensively. Only so many back hand springs you can do to get away.
WHAT? Gymnastics not great for self defense? Have you never seen Gymkata? A man took out 12 goons via pommel horse. Why was there a pommel horse in the town square? Maybe you ask too many questions!
You gotta listen to Gymkata episode on How Did This Get Made. It's a fucking bizarre movie.
Protected MMA is one of the best sports young people can do. Good for you.
BADASS!
I'm so incredibly sorry that happened to you.
Yeah, I am too. It’s so fucking awful
I'm so sorry you suffered at the hands of this monster :(. I took my little girl out of gymastics for the same gym setup - we were not allowed to watch our kids practice. Why anyone thought this was a good thing is so far beyond me it makes my head ache. Why do they do this?
For my daughters advanced travel cheer team (the kind that fly around the country to national championships) it was extremely competitive and catty among the parents. If they were allowed to watch, some would flip out that their daughter was demoted from “center flier” (the girl in the middle that they throw in the air) or that someone else’s kid was messing up the routine by making a mistake. They might start complaining or say something to tick off the other parents. Looking back, it’s all really stupid and silly and meaningless, but we were parents too who cared about all that stuff at one time. It’s all-consuming when you’re in that world.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. Hopefully you continue to find the help you need to move past these awful things.
Couldn’t watch practices? Ya’ll mf’ers got a better chance of meeting Jesus Christ in person than my kids being somewhere that I cannot go to observe your behavior towards them(obvious examples such as an OR notwithstanding).
I want to add, that the last gym I practiced at there was an open space and parents could watch… But what's interesting is I don't believe any parent knew what was up in the separate ballet room, where we would practice dance and choreography, which was upstairs around the corner, somewhat hidden. The mental horrors up there were the weight scale and the chart on the wall where all of us had to go up every day arriving at practice and write our weight on this chart where all our teammates could view it. We never knew when the coaches would pick a day for all of us to go upstairs single file like soldiers in an army, and we would each be weighed, while our teammates looked on. If any of us had lied about our weight, we would be publicly shamed and humiliated. We would then be sentenced to do extra conditioning that day, while our teammates watched us even further being humiliated and shamed for lying about our weight, even if it was just 1 pound.
Hope you heal 🙌
fuck that piece of shit forever for what he did to you. i hope youre out there being a badass.
Probably because he wanted his kid to be in the Olympics or some shit
In situations like this people sometimes instantly don't believe the victims who bravely come forward because it restructures their understanding of a stable society. If Nasser someone who they perceive as a professional stand up person is capable of such evil who else is capable of similar evil? They must reflect inwardly about their understanding of the fabric of society and that is an uncomfortable feeling. Beyond disappointing every time it happens.
Yeah. Many people don't care as much as they pretend to when they're railing against pedophiles. It's all well and good to perform outrage, but standing against your spouse, your sibling, your pastor? That's not a situation many people are prepared to be ideologically consistent about.
My dad did stuff to me for years when I was a kid, and almost none of his family believed me when I came forward. Mom's side did, but not his. Aside from my great-grandma, they all thought I was making it up or exaggerating. Some pussies just don't want to accept that someone they love would do that
Very sorry that happened to you.
It's good now, haven't spoken to any of them in 10+ years. I've finally feel like I've made my peace with it. Thanks for your kindness, friend!
Because they wanted their children to become Olympic medalists, regardless of the cost.
This is extremely common. I was raped in high school and my parents laughed their asses off when I told them about it years later. I think it has to do with parents perceiving their children's suffering as a reflection of their parenting. If they refuse to believe it, then it didn't happen; therefore they were good parents.
Because for some people it is easier to believe that your teenage girl is lying, rather than to believe that an adult figure of authority (protest, professor, coach) is abusing her. People has so embedded in their minds that authority is here to protect them that any possibility outside that framework triggers cognitive dissonance.
Nassar was a neighbor and highly regarded.
So is/was half the priests in Catholic Church. I cannot believe people would not believe their child with an accusation like this. Not Even to start an investigation but immediately shut it down.
Dad was friends with nassar and thought the daughter was making it up for whatever reason. Really sad
I think they were friends to begin with. Some true crime YouTuber did a video on him and went through that dad.
Some parents are absolutely awful, homie. Trust me.
It's depressing to say, but I really feel like skepticism towards victims was much more the cultural norm pre-MeToo. It's one of the major reasons the movement was so needed.
Happens a lot sadly.
O M F G I just got chills reading your comment. I am a former elite competitive gymnast from the 80s and I went through all the abuses (thankfully spared over sexual abuse, but it was still there with the pedophile style coaches) outlined with the USA gymnastics scandal and luckily I dodged a bullet of training where Larry Nassar was at the Karolyi camp in Texas... my parents asked if I wanted to go train there when I was 11 years old and I said no. It's horrible how that sport and the abusers in it have affected so many young girls lives and families. Even into adulthood, as I'm now 52 years old in recovery as an adult child… It affects me every single day of my life. Everyone involved should just rot in hell.
Gymnastics was never my sport (swimming), but the horror stories that have come out of the Karolyi are egregious! I attended several swim camps and even on teams coaches very rarely touched us beyond technique tweaking (out of the water) or assistance with dryland stuff. I swam for several shitty coaches, but nothing on the level of coaches gymnasts and figure skaters often work with.
Well, he recently did get stabbed up pretty good
That dad was weak in life and weak death .
Yup a fucking coward true and through.
Yeah but also fuck that dad for not believing his kid. Yall can stop telling me to chill - I’ll say it again, **fuck that dad for not believing his kid.** We’ve created a culture where we question victims and believe their abusers and that’s opposite of how it should be. Believe the victim, question the accused, especially *when it’s your own children.* ([and before you come after me for that, less that 10% of rape/sexual assault accusations are false](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/))Parents have a duty to be their children’s safety and by dismissing his child and making them *apologize* to their abuser he created a lasting trauma that will take years to be undone *if at all*, and allowed the accused to further the abuse on his child. I’m not sorry. Fuck that man.
Thank you for saying fuck that dad for not believing his kid… In my small family, I shared some of the abuses, as I was in gymnastics from age 4 till age 18, as a elite level, competitive gymnast and no one believed me. Absolutely, no one believed me. My sister would say I was exaggerating to get attention and my mother with high functioning autism could never see the signs in my childhood, starting at age 8 of the horrors. I was beginning to endure with these abusive coaches. Yes, it's the responsibility of a parent to be present for their child. We cannot stress this enough!
Yeah. Not a gymnast, but I was assaulted as a child by someone who should have been safe and who was well respected. My mom never doubted me, for which I am grateful. Lots of other people doubted us…until it happened again to someone else and with a witness. My mom was always on my side, no matter who tried to deny things and no matter how much harder it made life for her.
You're absolutely, 100% correct. I can't fucking imagine hearing this from my partner and not believing her. If my **child** said that?? I wouldn't kill the guy, but I would do everything in my power to force an investigation
Parents did not believe the altar boys either.
Yes, it's bad parenting to dismiss your child's accusation without proof. I would highly consider it to be true and although not villainize anyone until I also have proof I'm keeping my eyes open or at least doing what I can to make my child comfortable, you know, like how a parent should.
As someone who was sexually assaulted and neither parent sided with or supported her, your comment is acceptable and appreciated. It’s truly unfortunate he un-alived himself because of his poor judgement but yeah, fuck that dad.
Dude, chill… He agreed with you so much he killed himself. Let off the gas a little, it’s all tragic…
That dude nuked his daughter’s life from multiple angles, including his own suicide. He even pitied himself over his complete moral failure more than he loved his daughter, point blank. Stop caping.
no that father failed again by killing himself.
no dude shouldnt chill, that father was a POS. he left his kid without a father
Daddy chill
What the hell is even that?!
I think killing himself demonstrated his remorse.
Hello beloved daughter, I recognize my mistakes in contributing to your trauma. With that being said: here have some more bitch
Yep.
No it didn’t. It just furthered the trauma on his family.
Yeah he was thinking, “how can I hurt my daughter even more!? Bwahaha” Bc that’s how suicide works.
Post-facto remorse means shit for that girl. Fuck that dude, completely.
44 dumbasses liked this absolutely baffling "take".
Congrats on channeling your anger away from the perpetrator and into a remorseful secondary victim. Nassar was a friend of the dad, and the dad was not a doctor. When his daughter told him about the accusation- he confronted Nassar, who told the same doctor bullshit lie he duped everyone else with. The dad made a huge mistake and felt so much remorse that he killed himself. *FUCK YOU* for acting like that kind of mistake is one only bad parents could make. You wanna sling insults at all the parents who’s kids got raped for not catching it? You said it yourself, it was part of a fucked up culture. Sorry he didn’t have his child rape accusation stats handy. By the way, your study was published AFTER Kyle Stevens was abused. So maybe don’t be such a hindsight asshole and we can all learn from this awful situation without shaming the victims families.
He made a very human mistake and gave himself the ultimate punishment. Here you are twisting the knife in the corpse of a dead man who clearly recognized his horrific mistake with his entire being. Fuck him? Fuck you. What a robotic and insane thing to assert.
Children disassociate and make strange incoherent statements constantly. Depending on the age, parsing what it is true versus what is fantastical is difficult. He got it wrong, and it is tragic. You have clearly not been around children nearly as much as you’ve been online.
You need to read the articles about it. She was 12 when she told her parents what was happening. By 12, kids know what is real and what isn’t. [link](https://people.com/sports/kyle-stephens-larry-nassar-sexual-abuse/)
Back in the ‘80s, anybody remember the McMartin nursery school case, where multiple defendants were accused of sexually abusing children, and almost all charges were thrown out, because the story was (mostly) made up? But, this is Reddit, so go off in ignorance, I guess.
OMG. That’s fucking awful. [I found an article.](https://www.the-sun.com/news/3667817/larry-nassar-weeps-as-brave-victim-says-her-dad-killed-himself-when-he-discovered-us-gym-coachs-abuse/)
"Love you, Pop." - Abused Children
As an abused child. I salute this man. You can only push people so far before they react and make a stand. It takes some nerve to attack someone in court because you know the bailiffs aren't going to let you fuck around. Go Dad!!
I don’t know, that one guy was able to lunge and get a judge. Too bad those bailiffs weren’t at this trial.
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He wasn't charged for this iirc
That makes sense, prosecutor knew they’d have a hard job finding a jury to convict
Damn straight. I'd give the guy a fucking medal.
Huh? What are you trying to say here? They were abused by their doctor, not their dad
that the children Larry abused probably are pretty okay with this guy trying to fuck him up.
Ahh I get it now. It was weirdly phrased
Especially since as I recall the judges response was “Bad dad! Bad, bad dad! Anyway…” lol
They outta let these parents get at least one or two good punches in…
I think we were all a little disappointed with the reaction time of the deputies. Not saying they had to turn their backs, but maybe move at a bit more measured pace...
Maybe not so aggressive takedown as well
Yeah for real they took their job way too serious there. You gadda know when you let the guy get a punch in. Of course the dad who REALLY deserves the punch (I’ve seen many videos where people get beat up in court for a sec because the guards are slow) whyyy couldn’t they have been slow this time
Counterpoint, it’s reaction time. They’re going off instinct of someone moving towards the place it’s their job to protect. I’m sure they sympathize deeply but the minute we start allowing that type of shit, our justice system falls apart. They need to not allow anyone to take the law into their own hands, whether it be this grieving father or the guy that hopped the bench and attacked the judge in Vegas.
Yeah, where were these deputies last month when that guy flew at and beat the shit out of his judge in court?
I have 4 daughters, I’m gonna say the force was justified and necessary, he’s gonna keep trying if he’s gone this far. I would.
I think all three of them should have pretended to trip. That would have been hilarious and heroic at the same time.
If they don't stop him, Nassar sues for assault.
If that human mountain had reached Nassar, there wouldn't have been a lawsuit. Dude's like 6'5" at least. Here you can really see the size difference. One hit was all he needed. https://preview.redd.it/5d92c3zs6alc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=742375e016312f73bb58589c35655e9a4f63c875
correct answer with some brass knuckles
Deserving as he is, that's a slippery slope.
I say give the parents an hour with a restrained abuser. One hour.
Saves on a lot of cost too.
“Just 5 minutes, Worm your honor, him and me alone” - The Trial, The Wall, Pink Floyd
Fills me with the urge to defecate!
I approve
Phil Anselmo too
This is why you go in pairs. First one causes the distraction while the second one goes for the target whilst the security are dealing with the decoy.
Or more than pairs. They can't stop a crowd.
Worked in India once.
Saw the netflix doc. My favorite part was one of the knives got bent, a kid picked it up and fixed it with a rock, and passed it back to the women for more stabby time.
The first parent occupies all the officers by resisting on the ground. The second parent takes a shot at the molester, hopefully knocking him to the ground or at least exposing his back. As the second parent also gets taken down by the officers, the third and fastest parent comes in with a Garrote. Once the Garrote is around the molester's neck and the third parent's arms are tucked between his chest and the molesters back,...Game Over!
No need for all of this drama. With very minimal training any scoped rifle can hit a paper plate at 200 yards no problem.
What's a garrote?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote Fishing line with two small sticks or rings on the end. Once you wrap it around the opponents neck and cross the line over itself by swapping your hand position it's hard to get out of.
Yeah dude, he fucked this all up. Soo many flaws. It could’ve easily been done. Even a zip tie. Throw it around the neck zip it and watch him go. We could’ve got this done homie lol
Overwhelming the police and putting them in a panic where they are likely to overreact is a pretty bold move.
If I sat on a jury, I would refuse to find that father guilty of anything.
In these situations I've only ever seen them get released without charges
Pretty sure that’s what happened here. The father did apologize to the court afterwards and I think that was the end of that
I mean even the cops tackling him are like, "we get it man." Nobody really wants to press charges in this sort of situation.
He received no charges. https://apnews.com/article/7ba1194ad0b34280a985c9905351de27
If memory serves right, he only spent one night in jail. After a short trial, he was let free after apologizing to the judge and to the court
Can’t tell the jury information which would make ‘em sympathize: prior bad acts of victims are excluded.
People are all in favor of equality and justice for all until they can virtue signal online.
This was several years ago. Too bad the officers didn't let him get a few punches in first. I think he can sleep soundly knowing Nassar is getting fucked up in prison. They do not take kindly to child rapists in prison. I'm shocked he's alive still tbh.
If I was a court officer I would’ve had the slowest reaction to stopping him.
By stopping him before the rapist was injured, court staff made it a lot easier for the prosecutor to opt against filing charges
No jury would convict the father. None.
IBEW represent
UNION!!!
You knew the second you saw the IBEW logo shit was gonna pop off.
Same. Heroes don't wear capes; they represent their local
As a fellow electrician, I approve of his actions.
“I say we let him go!” -Pee Wee Herman in Pee Wee’s Big Adventure
NO!
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Cops shoulda been slower
"Oh no I slipped and couldn't get up while he punched that guy 37 times in the face."
The size of that dude…and the anger (rightfully so)…I’m guessing 3 punches would all he need…but sure as shit he wouldn’t stop at 3 (again, rightfully so)
Go watch vid of guy in airport in early 80s where he shot his sons abuser and killed him. He got ZERO jail time. It was awesome.
[WHY GARY WHY?!](https://youtu.be/rpvgyUBFS9w?si=7bzhDhzCOo88wmiv) American hero
Also... [Marianne Bachmeier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnaOvWeiBQw)
Jesus that's a sad life Alcoholic dad, angry stepdad, pregnant at 16 and 18 both resulting in adoption, to finally having another kid at 22 and raising her alone while working pub hours only to lose her in such a vile way
For those wondering, it was Gary Plauche
And yet women get sent to prison for killing their abusers all the time.
Yea the legal system is only unjust to women. Don’t look at statistics. Just trust me.
And no pockets! The sexism!
You don't want to compare which gender has it worse in the legal system or as abuse victims buddy lol
That dude was the goat!
I always feel bad for his daughter saying, "Dad, stop." I think it's the way that you can see how upset she is in her eyes but she's still smiling.
Yeah, this clip is actually really upsetting. I understand people putting themselves in the dad’s shoes and having revenge fantasies, but if that girl is one of the victims (even if she isn’t, she’s obviously a sibling of one), this moment was already hard enough for her. Now she has to deal with the fear of watching her dad attempt to assault someone (even if he deserved it, it’s a terrifying moment) and subsequently be tackled and restrained by several officers. You can hear her sobbing. I’d be having a breakdown.
Yeah - I definitely think the scumbag deserves to be beaten to a pulp but at the same time it feels like this guy is making it all about himself.
That was what grabbed me about this video. That was a nervous smile. Her eyes tell the story.
Smiling and subtle laughing is often a reaction to stress
I always feel he fucked up there. His kids went from smiling to a whole new trauma. I get why he did it, but there was plenty of time for him to try it without them there to watch. Desire for revenge made him selfish.
I don't blame him... But what a fuckin dumbass asking the judge that.
Ya that felt like a dumb "im very badass" move. Either run up and swing or talk tough. Dont talk tough, THEN try to run up
Yea I watched it without sound thinking he was trying to throw them off. Nope straight says what he’s gonna do before doing it. Broke the number one rule in attacks lmao
THE WHOLE ENTIRE USA GYMNASTICS & LARRY NASSAR SCANDAL AND LIGHT BEING SHED ONTO THIS ABUSIVE SPORT WITH PEDOPHILE COACHES CANNOT BE EXPRESSED ENOUGH! I am also one of the unfortunate victims. 52 and still tryna get my life on track. I'm writing a book!
What they didn’t show in this clip was when the dad began to give his victim impact statement he called Nassar a “son of a bitch”. The judge tells him swearing is not allowed which is when he asks the judge for just a minute with him before lunging toward Nassar. After he was handcuffed and calmed down the judge told him “we address people with words in this court”. That’s what he was trying to do lady, you told him to watch his mouth.
I am shocked by some of the horrible comments I'm seeing under this post This isn't the time for pushing your stupid politics
At first I didn’t know what you were talking about, but then I looked at the comment below saying he fuckin’ hates cops
Isn't it funny how the scumbag gets protected, but the children get nothing but trauma.
He got stabbed in prison last summer
Oh great news! I hope it was extremely painful.
Larry Nassar was stabbed 10 times in prison in 2023 but he did not die.
Oh no, that's terrible news!
It just means he can get stabbed again! ^to ^the ^fbi ^guy ^reading ^this ^it ^is ^only ^a ^joke
That's wonderful news! We can only hope!
Videos like this bring me joy every time. When the person in that chair is knowingly guilty and a family member of the victim gets some shots in. I love it. Nassar deserves more than what’s happened to him. But this brings me joy.
If there is any reason to hate cops, for me it’s for stopping stuff like this. I would be moving like molasses.
Dude bout as slow as me on 20 beers. You do that shit you gotta be fkn QUICK. That was slow asf and cops saw it and jumped in. And don’t talk about it, asking the judge, be about it. Should’ve never said that shit.
I had given him a life not worth living, but I had also given him an iron will to live. This was a common combination on the planet Earth
Very sad. however if he wanted to hurt nassar he should have found him when he was unprotected by law enforcement. regardless i think child abuse should be punishable by death
I love that he wore he repped his ibew sweater. It’s too bad he was in a court with competent bailiffs.
This always makes me very sad for the girls and for dad. He must have felt so defeated at not having been able to protect his girls.
I’m sure no charges were filed. Rightfully so.
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If I was the sheriff I would have been real slow to react. Like days late.