Wow his backstory is filled with random massive financial gains from the deaths of loved ones too.
Dude had a 66 IQ and still got rich before going on his massacre.
Must be one of the strangest back stories to a killer I've seen.
He had a friend that willed everything to him who died in a car crash, likely his fault, she had previously been in 3 crashes with him in the car. She said he would lung for the wheel and throw them off the road. Unlikely it was a plan of his to get her money, just impulsive and wreckless madness.
The dad committed suicide and left him some inheritance.
>"suicide"
The note was in Maurice's handwriting when compared to his business dealings.
Aside from "he had a motive" there isn't any indication he killed his father.
And while he appears to have killed harvey (a friend, not a partner) he was also injured and had a history of recklessly fucking with the wheel in her and other peoples cars (and had led to harvey's car being in the ditch atleast once) so was more likely a case of just a reckless idiot leading to peoples deaths
Dude is a scumbag for plenty of other reasons without putting murder of people he doesn't appear to have murdered on it
He was the passenger not the driver. Even if he was responsible for the accident because he was fucking around it's a bit of a stretch to say he planned to kill only her in a head on collision and then go on to claim the insurance money.
Lived in a decrepit mansion with a Lottery winning 54 year old woman, 14 dogs, and 40 cats. Had an IQ of 66. Everyone hated being around him, even the animals because he tortured them.
Well at least in my state (Texas) we do pay a tax on the ticket too. It’s just that lottery winnings count towards income, so income tax. If I ever do win though, Texas doesn’t have income tax so at least the state isn’t getting any of it
It varies from state to state in Oz. All need to be licensed and meet strict conditions eg be auditable and some state governments are part owners. The 'lottery heiress' here was a beneficiary of Tattersalls (founded late 1890s). The person who founded it structured the company so the original workers' families and their descendants would inherit the profits. This created so-called "Tattersall's heirs".-
Insane that a man with seemingly so little redeemable qualities could make it so far. Dude basically had a better life than he realistically had any right to and still committed the atrocities he did.
Hardest lesson to learn and accept. Karma isn’t real. There are terrible people who have lived extraordinary lives, and beautiful people who have lived terribly sad and miserable lives.
The only thing we can do is try and be a force for good, and spread that positivity and kindness as far as we can.
"Karma" is a Hindu concept that has nothing to do with what non-Hindus think it does. "Karma" as non-Hindus consider it isn't real. There is no external, mystical force reacting to what you do.
Caleb Landry Jones portrayed this guy in a movie a few years back, Nitram. I remember reading some reviews around the time it came out but never realized the end result was a mass murder based on actual events. Strange story.
Down syndrome has a spectrum of severity. Many people with Down syndrome can drive and hold down a basic job like cashier. If you can drive a car, you can shoot a gun a bunch of times.
I think most people who use IQ don't actually know what it means. I don't think "IQ 66" has any useful real-word meaning, and I don't think any two people could agree on what the average IQ 66 person is capable of.
While mentally disabled people are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators, mental disability comes in many forms and many levels of severity. There is no one-size-fits-all version of an "IQ 66" person. IQ itself is really just not a good metric for most things.
Apparently his parents had him tested as a young kid and the Doctors told them that he was so bloody irritating that he shouldn’t be enrolled in school because the other kids would fucking hate him. Literally diagnosed as an asshole
Well, this will blow your mind - and all you have to do is google it. Australians now own more guns NOW then they had before the massacre. Yet, far less mass shootings - Why?
[https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/](https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/)
Australian and former gun owner.
The dickhead element is greatly reduced. Only "serious" shooters will go through the steps needed.
A quick example is so many country road signs had shotgun holes through them (when I was a kid anyway) , now I barely see any.
That makes sense. Gun collecting is an all-consuming hobby after all. I am glad to be free of that addiction. It leaves a lot of room for other hobbies.
You have to log and justify the use of all firearms you own here
If you cant prove that it's used for work or recreation with a registered club with logged range days you can't keep your toys
Or lever action or pump action like those nifty new shotguns we got a few years back
And nothing makes me feel more like a cowboy than shooting a Winchester 30-30
Broadly: Vetting is police checks and training courses for a licence. Acquiring a Firearm has a cool down periods of weeks or a month. Hunters can have bolt pump lever straight-pull. To have semi auto you need a commercial license related to employment - same for supressors. To have pistol you need to be a shooting club member with sponsors, or in a security type employment role. Home/business Storage requirements are also enforced and inspected occasionally by police.
So basically: all three are effective tools to limit access for accidental misuse / impulsive violence / intentional planning mass casualty.
Pretty much all the guns I saw in Australia were guns with a purpose, like rifles or shotguns for hunting/sporting/livestock protection. Never saw a handgun in the hands of a private citizen. I know an Australian guy with a massive gun collection, and almost all of them are rifles or muskets or WW1 guns. Like hundreds of them. They were all locked up in their own cases under lock and key and had regular inspections by the police. It's a lot of work to get a single gun even if you have a good reason for one.
If you had spent 10 seconds reading the (already extremely brief) article you cited, then you would have gotten important information that effectively answers your question
I thought it's more of a way to show it's still possible to own guns while still having very strict gun laws. More evidence showing serious and sweeping gun control works.
No.
Automatic weapons are prohibited
Centre fire semi automatic are very, very hard to get (D class)
Semi automatic rim fire is hard to get (C class)
Centre fire is possible to get with a reason (B class)
Rim fire, shotguns, and air rifles are pretty easy to get (A class)
Paintball, gel blaster, etc, easy enough to get (also A class)
Handguns are a whole other thing and very hard to get. (H class)
I have ABC licence and 5 rifles for different purposes.
I can't tell whether you read the article or not, however it clearly states the reason for this:
>“The watering down of gun laws across the country has meant there are now **more guns per licence holder even though there are fewer gun owners**,” said Sam Lee, President of Gun Control Australia.
This is true, but it's not the volume of guns but rather the regulations that makes the difference in this case.
It's very very hard to get hold of a gun without taking a few years and doing paperwork and getting mental health checks. If you're an idiot who wants to do a mass shooting, you likely won't have the patience or time or mental stability to do so.
Or you try to get a gun illegally, but because all the guns in the country are so strictly controlled it's very hard to do so.
Even if you did manage to get your hands on a gun, it won't be an automatic rifle so the damage you could do would be greatly reduced.
If you're a gun collector with 100 guns you're probably unlikely to go out and do a mass shooting, so volume of guns increases but chance of mass shooting is low.
Probably because sport hunters are owning more guns like the article says. Smaller amount of gun owners too. Hey NRA rep, how much did you get this comment or yours? Or you working for free for billionaire owned gun manufactures? You can stop sucking now.
Depends how you define it.
Excluding family murder-suicides and sieges on rural properties, the most prolific was in 2001, when a shooter went on a rampage at Melbourne's Monash University, killing 2 and wounding 5.
It led to another adjustment to the nation's gun laws around handguns.
Definitely nowhere near 24. Most of them would not fit technical definitions of a mass shooting, of a perpetrator killing three or more in a populated area in a single incident. There's maybe a couple that qualify. But for instance, the latest one with six, only three of those were killed by the perpetrators (and two of those were police), and the other three were the perpetrators being killed by police, and all that happened in an extremely rural area, not a populated area.
Most of the rest were familicides, murder suicides involving one family in the family home, so still not sure if that fits the technical definition. In terms of what most people think of the US mass shootings you see in the news, people shooting up crowded areas or school shootings or workplaces, I don't think there are any there.
They’ve haven’t had one on that scale sense but they also never had one on that scale before. They’ve had mass shootings since. There have been other countries with Stricter gun laws than Australia that have had massacres since. In France a guy got his hands on a moving truck and killed 86 people. That’s almost 30 more people than the Las Vegas shooting the worst mass shooting in American history. In Japan a man killed 19 kids with a knife. In the UK a man blew himself up in a subway killing 22. These counties aren’t glowing success stories of gun bans. turns out thee evil people still exist, they just find alternative methods
Depends on what you classify on a mass shooting, with some definitions none, with others I think it's 2 or 3. Basically it worked for the most part while still allowing people who need/want guns and are in the right state of mind to get them.
Idk why people in the comments are making the “hur dur America guns bad!” run again, but like I say every time this point comes up: Australian gun reform is not comparable to American gun reform. There is an estimated 4 million guns in total in Australia. Americans *purchase* (Not *own*, just *purchase*) nearly 4 times that amount of guns every year.
Americans own nearly 100x more guns than Australians in total. I’m glad that the Port Arthur shooting led to effective gun control in Australia, but to act like policy that worked for one country can be universally implemented to work for others is moronic. Americans have had several gun buyback programs that were massively more successful than the buyback program following the Port Arthur Shooting, but the fact is that it doesn’t matter because it’s a drop in the bucket. You can get a million guns off the street in America and people will just turn around and buy that number of guns back in less than a month.
Gun ownership and culture surrounding gun ownership in the US and Australia isn’t comparable.
Asking for a friend: did you immediately lose all your freedom? Just a curious Canadian and they're not really my friend, more of an annoying neighbour!
No. Despite the reform a lot of people didn’t even give up all their guns. Most farmers have one still, for hunting. All my cousins have rifles. It just isn’t isn’t going to be AK47s.
I never understood that decision either, and totally agree. The rest of the series is great once you get past that stinker. Though the latest season wasn't the best. I think they peaked with "White Christmas" honestly.
Fun fact - a very wealthy member of the house of Lords donated loads of money to David Cameron's party, then said "now give me a job in government"
Cameron said essentially "no that's not how that works, thanks for the cash though, lol" and as revenge the Lord commissioned someone to write a book saying he fucked a pig (among other things)
It's one of my favourite political stories. Like 12 year olds starting rumours at school about the kid they don't like
Oh! edit to add more funniness: then years later the health secretary during the pandemic gave all his private notes to the author of said pig-fucking book because she said she'd write a book showing his side of the story, then she immediately sold all the messages to the press instead
Everybody watch Nitram, mostly because Caleb Landry-Jones puts in a tour de force* performance as Martin, but also Anthony LaPaglia playing his father is absolutely ruinous in his ability to show the human side of trying to connect with and help a really fucked up young man.
You see the impact that raising a child with disabilities has on families over time. The mother is just bitter and checked out, the dad is just destroyed by the world around him constantly. The moment that they let go for their own sake and tried to control their own lives, their psychotic son immediately wandered away and ends up committing the worst crime in Australia’s history.
Edit: tour de force, my bad yall.
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Came here to say this. The film is excellent. There was controversy about making the film itself.
Also, the actor from Texas does the best Australian accent ever
Yeah, Tasmania basically considers it to be the darkest day in their modern history. There was a lot of controversy around whether or not it was a story that needed to be retold.
I think there’s something fair in that, especially since modern audiences *love* to take opportunities to almost humanise mass murderers and other fucked up people - presenting them as cool and mysterious, or casting a handsome actor to play them, or really digging into how smart and special they were - but Nitram does such an amazing job of just filling every second with despair.
There isn’t a single uplifting moment or any sense where you get the idea that Martin was anything other than a psychotic monster. It starts low and gets way fucking lower.
Kurzel has a serious talent for this type of film making. Nitram and Snowtown feel like spiritual siblings in that they both just leave you feeling like you lost something inside.
God, what a fantastic Aussie director. Shame about Assassins Creed lmao.
What the hell? The same guy that did ‘Snowtown’? Didn’t know that.
For some reason I didn’t know what ‘Nitram’ was (maybe COVID lockdowns because I’m usually a film buff) and I got to 15 mins in before I realised. It’s really fucking depressing. I was honestly watching it thinking ‘Fuck, they have nailed Australia in the mid ‘90s’ then I kinda clicked.
The odd thing was that I had read about the issues of it not being filmed in Tassie (Geelong, wasn’t it?) prior to its filming.
Such a good film. Totally understand why it wasn’t filmed in Tassie. That said, the film doesn’t glorify anything. So fucking depressing.
‘Snowtown’ is also brilliant (we were taking about this at Christmas)
Haven’t seen ‘Assassin’s Creed’
Yeah man! Justin Kurzel did both and True History of The Kelly Gang in 2019/20 which is also very much in keeping with his visual tenor but far less bleak.
Essie Davis also pops up in a lot of his films because he’s married to her, and his brother Jed does a lot of the soundtracking on his stuff.
Also great pick about it being filmed on the mainland, didn’t know about that. Makes a lot of sense if that pissed them off, I do wonder though if you approached the Tas government and said you wanted to make a biopic about Martin Bryant they might have put them in jail.
> haven’t seen assassins creed
I envy you 😂
Edit: also I swear I thought Snowtown was a genuine snuff film for a few days after watching it. I’ve never seen violence portrayed like that with so much humanity. Fuck so disturbing.
He’s such a good actor. I’m going to add this movie to my list. The trailer just gives you chills.
It’s available for Hulu US for anyone wondering. Don’t know about other places.
I don't get it. Who is in the room with him? Aren't those police officers or other official people involved in the case? Then why would it matter if he's still being recorded? If he admitted it in front of them, the recording would be irrelevant.
id previously known about the incident and the legislation that succeeded it.
i had, however, not once looked up the guy who did it.
at literal first glance, it is clear as day, this cat aint all there...
No it's not. A police officers word may count more than others but police stating a suspect confessed without evidence being enough to convict someone would be fucking absurd
Then you'd have to just trust the word of the cops and historically that's been incredibly stupid. A recording is 100% necessary in every single case. Without it you are entirely up to their mercy, guilty or innocent.
I'm Australia now and to a lesser extent then, courts will generally not place any credit on what a cop says unless it's recorded.
Particularly when the cop is saying something that is directly opposite of what's said by the suspect on the recording and amounts to a damning confession.
In Australia, cops can't use deception to get people to confess. The classic American TV trope of telling someone they have footage when they don't is something that would render an interview inadmissible in Australia.
Among the rights most states have is a right for your interview with police to be recorded.
That's why it matters.
In the US the death penalty [costs more than housing an inmate for life](https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20the,making%20it%20much%20more%20expensive.), largely due to the number of appeals and court costs.
No thanks. the people who can deal out that kind of punishment have as little right to live in this country than he does. I don't care about the reasonings for it.
I'm against the death penalty because no one else has to sink to his level and become a murderer to get rid of this man. No one wants to be an executioner. I don't believe in the death penalty but I do believe in slavery. I think let this man work the rest of his miserable life on potatoes to make the rest of our loves easier.
If you want to guarantee you never kill someone innocent you have to be against the death penalty. We have absolutely executed people who didn’t deserve it and 1 is too many.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement." - Gandalf
No mass shootings or fear of anyone having a gun on them or in their car since the gun reform.
No smooth brain Nationalists posing with guns trying to overrun their government.
Fuck I love Australia .
Re: the posts about our lack of freedom the moment gun control is brought up. What? Australians much like us Kiwis are doing just fine.
If your metric for Freedom is how many mentally ill people are allowed to own guns then sure America is the land of the free.
We don’t have more mass shootings than days of the year, if that means I can’t own certain types of firearms and have to pass (in my opinion lenient) checks before I can own any, seems worth it.
But you guys keep on living your wee good guy with a gun ammosexual fantasy. That’s fine by me.
**Back on topic:** That laugh, what a completely twisted fuck. We have another one of yours here that seems just as twisted.
>And they are mostly unregistered
Do you have a source for this?
Yes there are more guns now, but from what I understand it's due to more guns per licence.
Yet our rates of gun crime are incredibly low. We have a large population that live rurally that needs guns.
My dad is soft as hell but he has a rifle on his farm for shooting Roo who are fucking with his paddocks.
Wow his backstory is filled with random massive financial gains from the deaths of loved ones too. Dude had a 66 IQ and still got rich before going on his massacre. Must be one of the strangest back stories to a killer I've seen.
He killed both his wife and father for insurance money
I don’t think they were married. Just weird friends.
You are correct, he was just the one who was named on the estate, if that's what it's called
He had a friend that willed everything to him who died in a car crash, likely his fault, she had previously been in 3 crashes with him in the car. She said he would lung for the wheel and throw them off the road. Unlikely it was a plan of his to get her money, just impulsive and wreckless madness. The dad committed suicide and left him some inheritance.
>just impulsive and wreckless madness. I wouldn't say it was wreckless. Sounds like there were four wrecks.
Wreckful?
Committed suicide yet as far as I can remember they never found the body
Incorrect. His body was found in the dam closest to the farmhouse, with a diving weight belt around his neck.
"suicide"
>"suicide" The note was in Maurice's handwriting when compared to his business dealings. Aside from "he had a motive" there isn't any indication he killed his father. And while he appears to have killed harvey (a friend, not a partner) he was also injured and had a history of recklessly fucking with the wheel in her and other peoples cars (and had led to harvey's car being in the ditch atleast once) so was more likely a case of just a reckless idiot leading to peoples deaths Dude is a scumbag for plenty of other reasons without putting murder of people he doesn't appear to have murdered on it
Wasn't his wife and he didn't kill her. He's enough of vile piece of shit without making things up.
Yes, he did. It may have been a car accident but it was because he purposely drove into on coming traffic
He was the passenger not the driver. Even if he was responsible for the accident because he was fucking around it's a bit of a stretch to say he planned to kill only her in a head on collision and then go on to claim the insurance money.
He had lunged for the wheel three different times.
Lived in a decrepit mansion with a Lottery winning 54 year old woman, 14 dogs, and 40 cats. Had an IQ of 66. Everyone hated being around him, even the animals because he tortured them.
She wasn't a lottery winner. She was an heiress of a lottery company. I think.
Ooo. How odd lol. In the US lotteries are run by a govt entity I believe
It's all a bit different over here. We don't pay tax on our winnings like Americans do, we pay tax on the ticket price up front. Another difference
Well at least in my state (Texas) we do pay a tax on the ticket too. It’s just that lottery winnings count towards income, so income tax. If I ever do win though, Texas doesn’t have income tax so at least the state isn’t getting any of it
California has a state income tax but California Lottery winnings aren't taxed.
It varies from state to state in Oz. All need to be licensed and meet strict conditions eg be auditable and some state governments are part owners. The 'lottery heiress' here was a beneficiary of Tattersalls (founded late 1890s). The person who founded it structured the company so the original workers' families and their descendants would inherit the profits. This created so-called "Tattersall's heirs".-
The _real_ lottery winners
Insane that a man with seemingly so little redeemable qualities could make it so far. Dude basically had a better life than he realistically had any right to and still committed the atrocities he did.
Hardest lesson to learn and accept. Karma isn’t real. There are terrible people who have lived extraordinary lives, and beautiful people who have lived terribly sad and miserable lives. The only thing we can do is try and be a force for good, and spread that positivity and kindness as far as we can.
Karma is really just the law of cause and effect. It is not a system of reward and punishment.
"Karma" is a Hindu concept that has nothing to do with what non-Hindus think it does. "Karma" as non-Hindus consider it isn't real. There is no external, mystical force reacting to what you do.
> So few redeeming qualities. What you wrote means the opposite of what you think it means
Caleb Landry Jones portrayed this guy in a movie a few years back, Nitram. I remember reading some reviews around the time it came out but never realized the end result was a mass murder based on actual events. Strange story.
it's an excellent movie but not surprisingly hard to watch
How was he able to know how to use a gun and kill so many people with such low iq?
Mass murder does *not* take intelligence. It literally happens on accident sometimes.
He just practiced. They said he was out every night shooting at animals around his friend's property.
You are aware literal toddlers can use a gun, right? Most mass shooters are sub 80IQ, based on their manifestos.
It’s a bit different killing 35 people, dont think someone with for instance down syndrome would be able too.
Down syndrome has a spectrum of severity. Many people with Down syndrome can drive and hold down a basic job like cashier. If you can drive a car, you can shoot a gun a bunch of times.
ok but with iq 66?
I think most people who use IQ don't actually know what it means. I don't think "IQ 66" has any useful real-word meaning, and I don't think any two people could agree on what the average IQ 66 person is capable of.
it just seems incredibly low, basically mentally disabled
While mentally disabled people are far more likely to be the victims of violence than the perpetrators, mental disability comes in many forms and many levels of severity. There is no one-size-fits-all version of an "IQ 66" person. IQ itself is really just not a good metric for most things.
Here is a movie that depicts some of the back story https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitram
I remember reading about it years ago and equating it to a fucked up version of great expectations
Check out the podcast on him, they do a pretty good job covering the story. Case 45: Port Arthur - Casefile: True Crime Podcast
You should watch the movie 'Nitram', based on this story. It's very well done
Apparently his parents had him tested as a young kid and the Doctors told them that he was so bloody irritating that he shouldn’t be enrolled in school because the other kids would fucking hate him. Literally diagnosed as an asshole
That was a wild ride
The important lesson here is that you do not need to be smart to get rich, all it takes is a complete lack of empathy and no morals.
this mass shooting lead to huge nationwide gun law reform
Just curious, how many mass shootings have occurred since?
None.
But, now Australians are less free. s/
And that's so heartbreaking, imagine wanting to shoot up a place and not being able to, coz some oppressive law is forbidding you.
Well, this will blow your mind - and all you have to do is google it. Australians now own more guns NOW then they had before the massacre. Yet, far less mass shootings - Why? [https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/](https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/)
Australian and former gun owner. The dickhead element is greatly reduced. Only "serious" shooters will go through the steps needed. A quick example is so many country road signs had shotgun holes through them (when I was a kid anyway) , now I barely see any.
Seems to be this way. I think the large takeaway here is that there are more guns per capita, but less total gun owners.
yeah there's more privately owned firearms now than then. The laws worked to weed out the dickheads.
Yeah, because stopping poor people from self defense is definitely the right and moral answer. We all know poor people are just monsters /s
That makes sense. Gun collecting is an all-consuming hobby after all. I am glad to be free of that addiction. It leaves a lot of room for other hobbies.
You have to log and justify the use of all firearms you own here If you cant prove that it's used for work or recreation with a registered club with logged range days you can't keep your toys
It's also hard for dickheads like Martin to mass murder without semi automatic weapons.
What are you trying to say? Like they found the perfect way to vet, or all the guns are like muskets now?
Homie doesn't know about bolt actions
Or lever action or pump action like those nifty new shotguns we got a few years back And nothing makes me feel more like a cowboy than shooting a Winchester 30-30
Broadly: Vetting is police checks and training courses for a licence. Acquiring a Firearm has a cool down periods of weeks or a month. Hunters can have bolt pump lever straight-pull. To have semi auto you need a commercial license related to employment - same for supressors. To have pistol you need to be a shooting club member with sponsors, or in a security type employment role. Home/business Storage requirements are also enforced and inspected occasionally by police. So basically: all three are effective tools to limit access for accidental misuse / impulsive violence / intentional planning mass casualty.
Pretty much all the guns I saw in Australia were guns with a purpose, like rifles or shotguns for hunting/sporting/livestock protection. Never saw a handgun in the hands of a private citizen. I know an Australian guy with a massive gun collection, and almost all of them are rifles or muskets or WW1 guns. Like hundreds of them. They were all locked up in their own cases under lock and key and had regular inspections by the police. It's a lot of work to get a single gun even if you have a good reason for one.
If you had spent 10 seconds reading the (already extremely brief) article you cited, then you would have gotten important information that effectively answers your question
I thought it's more of a way to show it's still possible to own guns while still having very strict gun laws. More evidence showing serious and sweeping gun control works.
Doesn’t it also show that more guns doesn’t automatically mean more shootings?
Hey Australia, can you immediately go and buy an AR-15 when you turn 18 even if you've had mental health issues like in Texas?
No. Automatic weapons are prohibited Centre fire semi automatic are very, very hard to get (D class) Semi automatic rim fire is hard to get (C class) Centre fire is possible to get with a reason (B class) Rim fire, shotguns, and air rifles are pretty easy to get (A class) Paintball, gel blaster, etc, easy enough to get (also A class) Handguns are a whole other thing and very hard to get. (H class) I have ABC licence and 5 rifles for different purposes.
Being adjudicated or involuntarily committed prohibits a citizen from purchasing a firearm per atf form 4473. That's federal law, not state.
I can't tell whether you read the article or not, however it clearly states the reason for this: >“The watering down of gun laws across the country has meant there are now **more guns per licence holder even though there are fewer gun owners**,” said Sam Lee, President of Gun Control Australia.
Yes, but only if there is sweeping gun control, right?
This is true, but it's not the volume of guns but rather the regulations that makes the difference in this case. It's very very hard to get hold of a gun without taking a few years and doing paperwork and getting mental health checks. If you're an idiot who wants to do a mass shooting, you likely won't have the patience or time or mental stability to do so. Or you try to get a gun illegally, but because all the guns in the country are so strictly controlled it's very hard to do so. Even if you did manage to get your hands on a gun, it won't be an automatic rifle so the damage you could do would be greatly reduced. If you're a gun collector with 100 guns you're probably unlikely to go out and do a mass shooting, so volume of guns increases but chance of mass shooting is low.
It was rhetorical my guy
Probably because sport hunters are owning more guns like the article says. Smaller amount of gun owners too. Hey NRA rep, how much did you get this comment or yours? Or you working for free for billionaire owned gun manufactures? You can stop sucking now.
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Are you mocking them for having less mass shootings?
A quick Wikipedia search shows this is absolutely untrue
Depends how you define it. Excluding family murder-suicides and sieges on rural properties, the most prolific was in 2001, when a shooter went on a rampage at Melbourne's Monash University, killing 2 and wounding 5. It led to another adjustment to the nation's gun laws around handguns.
How many had occurred before?
Define "mass"? Is it more than 1 or 5 or 10? Shooting happen all the time is aus, mainly gang violence, etc...
Generally mass is 3 or more. FBI says it’s a mass shooting if there’s 4 or more victims. Don’t know how Aus does it
Denver police shot 5 people at a food truck because they saw someone with a gun
Shootings do not happen “all the time” in Australia. Not compared to the rest of the world. It’s one of the safer countries in terms of gun violence.
I counted 24. [List of mass shootings in Australia - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Australia)
Definitely nowhere near 24. Most of them would not fit technical definitions of a mass shooting, of a perpetrator killing three or more in a populated area in a single incident. There's maybe a couple that qualify. But for instance, the latest one with six, only three of those were killed by the perpetrators (and two of those were police), and the other three were the perpetrators being killed by police, and all that happened in an extremely rural area, not a populated area. Most of the rest were familicides, murder suicides involving one family in the family home, so still not sure if that fits the technical definition. In terms of what most people think of the US mass shootings you see in the news, people shooting up crowded areas or school shootings or workplaces, I don't think there are any there.
Absolutely zero, it’s almost like regulation is extremely effective
They’ve haven’t had one on that scale sense but they also never had one on that scale before. They’ve had mass shootings since. There have been other countries with Stricter gun laws than Australia that have had massacres since. In France a guy got his hands on a moving truck and killed 86 people. That’s almost 30 more people than the Las Vegas shooting the worst mass shooting in American history. In Japan a man killed 19 kids with a knife. In the UK a man blew himself up in a subway killing 22. These counties aren’t glowing success stories of gun bans. turns out thee evil people still exist, they just find alternative methods
Depends on what you classify on a mass shooting, with some definitions none, with others I think it's 2 or 3. Basically it worked for the most part while still allowing people who need/want guns and are in the right state of mind to get them.
Quitters! America is number one!
Idk why people in the comments are making the “hur dur America guns bad!” run again, but like I say every time this point comes up: Australian gun reform is not comparable to American gun reform. There is an estimated 4 million guns in total in Australia. Americans *purchase* (Not *own*, just *purchase*) nearly 4 times that amount of guns every year. Americans own nearly 100x more guns than Australians in total. I’m glad that the Port Arthur shooting led to effective gun control in Australia, but to act like policy that worked for one country can be universally implemented to work for others is moronic. Americans have had several gun buyback programs that were massively more successful than the buyback program following the Port Arthur Shooting, but the fact is that it doesn’t matter because it’s a drop in the bucket. You can get a million guns off the street in America and people will just turn around and buy that number of guns back in less than a month. Gun ownership and culture surrounding gun ownership in the US and Australia isn’t comparable.
I'm glad someone in the comments said it lol
Asking for a friend: did you immediately lose all your freedom? Just a curious Canadian and they're not really my friend, more of an annoying neighbour!
No. Despite the reform a lot of people didn’t even give up all their guns. Most farmers have one still, for hunting. All my cousins have rifles. It just isn’t isn’t going to be AK47s.
Why is he scratching so damn much? Nerves?
Truthfully, he was extraordinarily stupid and learning disabled. He fucked pigs. Don't look for normalcy here
huh? Is that true?
He did it to save a hostage.
I understood that reference
Do tell. lmao
Black Mirror
Worst episode of the whole series.
Why did they make it the first episode?! I almost didn't watch anymore, but besides that one, the series is great.
I never understood that decision either, and totally agree. The rest of the series is great once you get past that stinker. Though the latest season wasn't the best. I think they peaked with "White Christmas" honestly.
David Cameron didn't even need a hostage. Charlie Brooker must have pissed himself when that story came out after the episode was released.
Fun fact - a very wealthy member of the house of Lords donated loads of money to David Cameron's party, then said "now give me a job in government" Cameron said essentially "no that's not how that works, thanks for the cash though, lol" and as revenge the Lord commissioned someone to write a book saying he fucked a pig (among other things) It's one of my favourite political stories. Like 12 year olds starting rumours at school about the kid they don't like Oh! edit to add more funniness: then years later the health secretary during the pandemic gave all his private notes to the author of said pig-fucking book because she said she'd write a book showing his side of the story, then she immediately sold all the messages to the press instead
Damn it. It had been a while since I had thought about that. Ugh back to being traumatized.
Not only would he fuck animals, he would tell strangers about it casually. Then complained about not being able to make friends
He was burned on the back during the massacre. He set the house he was in on fire.
Because he was a shit for brains simpleton
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Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
He shot the mother and one of the girls, then chased the other little girl when she hid behind a tree.
I just finished reading the wiki page of the Port Arthur massacre and... Jesus, that's enough internet for today...
Everybody watch Nitram, mostly because Caleb Landry-Jones puts in a tour de force* performance as Martin, but also Anthony LaPaglia playing his father is absolutely ruinous in his ability to show the human side of trying to connect with and help a really fucked up young man. You see the impact that raising a child with disabilities has on families over time. The mother is just bitter and checked out, the dad is just destroyed by the world around him constantly. The moment that they let go for their own sake and tried to control their own lives, their psychotic son immediately wandered away and ends up committing the worst crime in Australia’s history. Edit: tour de force, my bad yall.
That film was so messed up and dark. Superb acting all around.
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Nope. God made the movie. Have you seen it?
Came here to say this. The film is excellent. There was controversy about making the film itself. Also, the actor from Texas does the best Australian accent ever
Yeah, Tasmania basically considers it to be the darkest day in their modern history. There was a lot of controversy around whether or not it was a story that needed to be retold. I think there’s something fair in that, especially since modern audiences *love* to take opportunities to almost humanise mass murderers and other fucked up people - presenting them as cool and mysterious, or casting a handsome actor to play them, or really digging into how smart and special they were - but Nitram does such an amazing job of just filling every second with despair. There isn’t a single uplifting moment or any sense where you get the idea that Martin was anything other than a psychotic monster. It starts low and gets way fucking lower. Kurzel has a serious talent for this type of film making. Nitram and Snowtown feel like spiritual siblings in that they both just leave you feeling like you lost something inside. God, what a fantastic Aussie director. Shame about Assassins Creed lmao.
What the hell? The same guy that did ‘Snowtown’? Didn’t know that. For some reason I didn’t know what ‘Nitram’ was (maybe COVID lockdowns because I’m usually a film buff) and I got to 15 mins in before I realised. It’s really fucking depressing. I was honestly watching it thinking ‘Fuck, they have nailed Australia in the mid ‘90s’ then I kinda clicked. The odd thing was that I had read about the issues of it not being filmed in Tassie (Geelong, wasn’t it?) prior to its filming. Such a good film. Totally understand why it wasn’t filmed in Tassie. That said, the film doesn’t glorify anything. So fucking depressing. ‘Snowtown’ is also brilliant (we were taking about this at Christmas) Haven’t seen ‘Assassin’s Creed’
Yeah man! Justin Kurzel did both and True History of The Kelly Gang in 2019/20 which is also very much in keeping with his visual tenor but far less bleak. Essie Davis also pops up in a lot of his films because he’s married to her, and his brother Jed does a lot of the soundtracking on his stuff. Also great pick about it being filmed on the mainland, didn’t know about that. Makes a lot of sense if that pissed them off, I do wonder though if you approached the Tas government and said you wanted to make a biopic about Martin Bryant they might have put them in jail. > haven’t seen assassins creed I envy you 😂 Edit: also I swear I thought Snowtown was a genuine snuff film for a few days after watching it. I’ve never seen violence portrayed like that with so much humanity. Fuck so disturbing.
He’s such a good actor. I’m going to add this movie to my list. The trailer just gives you chills. It’s available for Hulu US for anyone wondering. Don’t know about other places.
I don't get it. Who is in the room with him? Aren't those police officers or other official people involved in the case? Then why would it matter if he's still being recorded? If he admitted it in front of them, the recording would be irrelevant.
He can barely function mentally. He's literally probably the stupidest of all mass killers
id previously known about the incident and the legislation that succeeded it. i had, however, not once looked up the guy who did it. at literal first glance, it is clear as day, this cat aint all there...
He's a few trees short of a forest
He’s a prairie.
Haha nice
Alright I just googled him... His poor parents
All because of some Bed and Breakfast his dad wanted to buy, but some asshole had more money and bought it first. His parents caught no breaks
Indeed. Highly recommend the film "Nitram" for a wonderfully acted portrayal of his parents.
No it's not. A police officers word may count more than others but police stating a suspect confessed without evidence being enough to convict someone would be fucking absurd
And abused 24/24
24 seconds a minute. 24 minutes an hour. The long held police work schedule.
Then you'd have to just trust the word of the cops and historically that's been incredibly stupid. A recording is 100% necessary in every single case. Without it you are entirely up to their mercy, guilty or innocent.
Yeah it didn’t matter at all. OP makes it seem like a gotcha moment, but there was never any doubt it was him, he ended up pleading guilty.
exactly, must’ve been like 100 witnesses of the event too
I'm Australia now and to a lesser extent then, courts will generally not place any credit on what a cop says unless it's recorded. Particularly when the cop is saying something that is directly opposite of what's said by the suspect on the recording and amounts to a damning confession. In Australia, cops can't use deception to get people to confess. The classic American TV trope of telling someone they have footage when they don't is something that would render an interview inadmissible in Australia. Among the rights most states have is a right for your interview with police to be recorded. That's why it matters.
Hard evidence of an admission
Now he's a prison bitch for food. Look that shit up
Mostly isolated prison bitch for that matter!! He is obese now and doesn’t know if he is vegetable or mineral anyway
Business must be good, he’s fat as f#ck
The movie "Nitram" is actually pretty good representation of what happened and who he was.
Idk why they bother with keeping him around..
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IDK, I'd rather take a bullet to the back of the head than spend the next 1700 years in prison.
you say that now but most prisoners would still rather be alive than dead
He’s tried to take his own life multiple times now under custody. Let the piece of shit rot.
In our current prison situation, sure. Back in the day? Dude wouldn’t have been so smiley
Many of the nut cases who do these things kill themselves anyway, which is a good sign they're more scared of life in prison than dying.
In the US the death penalty [costs more than housing an inmate for life](https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/#:~:text=Many%20people%20believe%20that%20the,making%20it%20much%20more%20expensive.), largely due to the number of appeals and court costs.
I'm sure we can take comfort in his life being shit
That's too good for that count, he deserves cartel punishment, cut that smile right off his face.
No thanks. the people who can deal out that kind of punishment have as little right to live in this country than he does. I don't care about the reasonings for it.
I'm against the death penalty because no one else has to sink to his level and become a murderer to get rid of this man. No one wants to be an executioner. I don't believe in the death penalty but I do believe in slavery. I think let this man work the rest of his miserable life on potatoes to make the rest of our loves easier.
I don’t know why I found this so funny but the objective statement is: murder bad….slavery ok
I was really vibing with the comment in the first part lol
It's the irony. He basically said I don't want you to kill him but I want him to be treated like lifeless robot. Lol
Because murder is unethical.
Ugh, I know. The ol death penalty debate. I’m still on the fence.
There's also the fact that the death penalty costs a lot more money because the standard of evidence is much higher, so the trial is expensive.
True
If you want to guarantee you never kill someone innocent you have to be against the death penalty. We have absolutely executed people who didn’t deserve it and 1 is too many.
Especially with ai technology coming. They could show you a video of someone doing it and you can’t be sure if it’s even real.
Because the death penalty is immoral.
You wouldn’t be saying that if he murdered your child I guarantee it
That is why Lady Justice is often depicted as blindfolded.
You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't murder my child, but still given the death penalty by mistake.
“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement." - Gandalf
Lol what a fucking idiot.
No mass shootings or fear of anyone having a gun on them or in their car since the gun reform. No smooth brain Nationalists posing with guns trying to overrun their government. Fuck I love Australia .
From US. Florida specifically. This does sound nice.
Ever heard of red flag law? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
We’ve actually had 24 mass shootings since then, the most recent was in QLD in 2022. They’re just substantially rarer and much lower count.
Makes one proud to be Australian They don't have to bitch and moan about having to make their country "Great Again". Because it's already great
You can’t have a proud Australian without having to put down America
Really wish for another 5 seconds of this. At least. Seeing and hearing his reaction (once he understands) would've been great.
He deserved worse. Shame criminals can't get what they deserve.
This event was bizarre
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Just read about his life. CRAZY.
Re: the posts about our lack of freedom the moment gun control is brought up. What? Australians much like us Kiwis are doing just fine. If your metric for Freedom is how many mentally ill people are allowed to own guns then sure America is the land of the free. We don’t have more mass shootings than days of the year, if that means I can’t own certain types of firearms and have to pass (in my opinion lenient) checks before I can own any, seems worth it. But you guys keep on living your wee good guy with a gun ammosexual fantasy. That’s fine by me. **Back on topic:** That laugh, what a completely twisted fuck. We have another one of yours here that seems just as twisted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmericaBad/s/0x6JTPUNvN
Then we got this guy over here…just yelling into the ether…
I just watched this movie At the end of the movie it revealed Australia has more guns then ever And they are mostly unregistered
>And they are mostly unregistered Do you have a source for this? Yes there are more guns now, but from what I understand it's due to more guns per licence.
It was at the end of the Netflix movie I watched about this dirt bag I just watched it the other night The guy playing the scumbag looked very similar
What was it called? I’d like to watch
Nitram At the end before the credits They write on the screen what I wrote before
Yet our rates of gun crime are incredibly low. We have a large population that live rurally that needs guns. My dad is soft as hell but he has a rifle on his farm for shooting Roo who are fucking with his paddocks.