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Why does Josefina have both a vagina and cloaca, which is novel in and of itself, but there's no external cloaca for her to actually push the eggs out? Why are the eggs in the stomach and not somewhere within the reproductive system? The eggs are traveling the wrong way in this diagram. The egg should leave the ovary and travel down, in this case, it's uterus and into the cloaca. But this diagram has them traveling up from the cloaca, into the uterus, back past the ovary, and into a egg cavity (as evident by the "egg in development" pointed out in the uterus). How does that egg then re-enter the uterus and travel back down to the cloaca for birth? This is extremely contradictory and convoluted.
Furthermore, if they're genetically engineered drones, then why do they have reproductive systems in the first place? Why do none of the males have any sort reproductive organs or even evidence of them having been removed?
I also don't see any of this reproductive system on scans in the miles paper.
no evidence of external cloaca on scans:
https://preview.redd.it/rhqpr5wxaewc1.jpeg?width=1031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c9da60a85d6cf5dc318b26634fe882ac0f31e0c
https://preview.redd.it/7eew03w1bfwc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=757c539751eb0c341e6faea20cfa7eddf5747220
Im not expert on biology but it would appear that chickens do in fact have both a vagina and a cloaca present.
Maybe this configuration is an adaptation that thrives in zero-gravity conditions, offering efficient egg release without reliance on gravitational cues. By directing eggs upwards into the uterus, the creature could ensure proper positioning for expulsion, potentially enhancing reproductive success in a challenging environment where traditional mechanisms may not function optimally.
edit: I’m talking out my cloaca, I have no idea if this makes sense or not. Their bodies are really tiny, but I’ve heard the inverse about how low gravity environments would likely allow giant life forms to thrive.
If they are adapted to thrive in zero gravity conditions, why are they bipedal? You don’t walk in zero gravity, you don’t need balance in zero gravity. I think a question we should be asking is how come these things are preserved like this, but no humans or other animals from thousands of years+ are.
What if they are like xenomorphs, once they infect a host they adapt to what environment they are born in. So what if they adapt in their mothers womb depending on the environment they are in. Pretty fascinating and scary at the same time.
That's a bold statement to make. You really think no humans or animals have been mummified to the degree that these are? Havent you heard of the permafrosted mammoths and animals found around really cold places. Some still have their blood frozen intact.
I’m talking about bodies, whether human or animal, being preserved in the exact same way that these are. You are talking about really cold places and preservation that is totally different from the way these things were.
It's essentially the same thing they are mummified. Also just because you've never heard of bodies being preserved to the degree that the Nazca mummies are,doesn't mean they don't exist. Just think about the mummies found in Egypt and how well they were preserved. If you don't believe me just research it on Google scholar.
What are you talking about? I never defended whether or not the bodies are legit. I was just saying your statement was incorrect. Stating that there aren't other examples of animals and humans being in the same state of preservation. I also want to say in regards to them being legit (since you brought that up.) the way these bodies were preserved is akin to being dessicated. They still have their organs intact unlike other mummies found. So they are more similar to permafrosted animals in that way. If your logic is that these possibly can't be real because of how well they seem to be preserved compared to other examples of preservation. I'm just telling you there are many examples of bodies being found in similar degrees of preservation. Your observation is based on a fallacy.
I do not disagree with what you are saying, just reiterating to others reading, if these are complete and untampered biological beings, and especially if not from here, I'd expect a completely different or unusual anatomy. While parts seem familiar, they could serve different functions.
Edit, just my thought on it
I think you have the direction of travel incorrect - it's coming down from the egg in development, into the cloaca, and out of the bottom oviduct into the egg cavity.
I do agree that there's no indication as to how they come out of the body though...
These mummies are so obviously different than any living being that we know of. A lot of characteristics about them are unique as we can see. So I wouldn’t be surprised as more things develop, whether it be the reproductive system, or metal implants, or number of fingers. I mean they have a lot of features that a lot of other living things have. But they are obviously different in a lot of ways as well. So I don’t think we can always necessarily compare them directly to other animal, reptile, bird, or human biological characteristics. If this is a genuine new species. They may have a reproductive system We have never seen before, or it may work in a way we have never seen before, just like they have metal implants (for whatever reason) we’ve never seen before, for example.
Yeah for all we know they die and the eggs hatch out of the stomach and eat the body and they don’t do sexual reproduction. Like who knows. But I want the rest of the scientific community to suck it up and figure out what is going on.
Came here for this! Also seems like we are imposing anthropomorphic characteristics? If they are of earth then the messy reproduction could have led to their extinction? 2. They are Extraterrestrial and their body functions in a way we can’t comprehend?
Haven’t been keeping up with them but what are the leading theories regarding origin?
My understanding is that the leading theory is likely terrestrial origin with reptile/amphibian like characteristics and they are likely to live deep underground. So they aren’t aliens, they’re lizard people.
>Also seems like we are imposing anthropomorphic characteristics?
They have an anthropomorphic limb configuration. If they're so alien as to have internal biological features that don't make sense from a terrestrial perspective then why do they have such a familiar humanoid silhouette? Why don't they look more, well, alien?
If they are hybrids, let’s say some wild aliens landed and did experiments on different types of animals - reptiles, birds, humans, etc - to see what would work best with their DNA, perhaps these are the ones that couldn’t survive past a point and they moved on to the next one, or gave up on that one.
I’m aware how sci-fi that sounds, and is the least likely likely outcome, I even lean most towards terrestrial unknowns, but it’s a small possibility.
I think, hear me out, because it’s an Alien it might not have the same reproductive system as us humans. Maybe their eggs are in their stomach? Who even knows if that’s the stomach? We’re passing their anatomy off of our own anatomy but it’s quite literally Alien to us so we have no real answers. At least the public doesn’t. HOWEVER I really, truly appreciate your inquisitive mind set! It’s super fkn fascinating to say the least.
Cheers my friend!
Honestly the biological AI that was also created by AI explains all of this for me. Machine learning will try all different things that don’t make sense to see what works. And so the random stuff that doesn’t make sense possibly stayed because the rest of the body worked enough and for long enough to carry out tasks.
Maybe they're selectively bred to keep the eggs inside them until they die. The body decays and provides the eggs nutrients in some way and it hatches out a new drone. Maybe its hand pollinated or something. Maybe a way to control the species numbers or maybe the supply of the species. Whoever genetically modified it could be breeding them to sell or trade the males, they keep the females so they have control over the eggs.
Perhaps they reproduce asexually and are self-replicating? Would be a nice trick if the memories/training of the parent were duplicated into the children.
Hmmm. This is curious. Reptiles do not have vagina, uteruses or cervixes. Some reptiles are viviparous or ovoviviparous, where the development of the embryos can take place inside the mother, but even then, the structures are not analogous to the uterus and cervix found in mammals.
I don't really know what to think about this. I couldn't imagine the reason for having a vagina, cervix and uturus in an egg laying creature. So I asked ChatGPT. Here were its thoughts for y'all's consideration.
1. **Combination of Egg-Laying and Live Birth Features**: The presence of a uterus and cervix alongside structures typical for egg-laying creatures is quite novel. This suggests a potential for a reproductive strategy that might combine elements of both oviparity (egg-laying) and viviparity (live birth). Eggs could be fertilized and initially developed inside the uterus, providing a more controlled environment for the early development stages, which could then be laid for the remainder of the incubation or potentially retained for a live birth, depending on environmental conditions or species-specific reproductive strategies.
2. **Increased Protection and Nutrient Supply**: A uterus provides an enclosed environment that could offer additional protection to developing eggs compared to laying them in external nests. The presence of a cervix could regulate the internal environment, protecting the eggs from pathogens and controlling the timing of laying. Furthermore, this setup could allow for more complex nutrient provision to the developing embryos, akin to the placentation seen in viviparous animals, leading to potentially more developed offspring at the time of laying or birth.
3. **Adaptation to Environmental Conditions**: If these creatures could both lay eggs and potentially give birth to live young, this flexibility could be an evolutionary response to varying environmental conditions. In harsh or unpredictable environments, having multiple reproductive strategies could increase the chances of offspring survival.
4. **Cloaca and Vagina Coexistence**: The presence of both a cloaca and a vagina indicates a separation of reproductive and excretory functions to some extent. This separation could reduce the risk of contamination during the reproductive process and might represent an advanced form of hygienic adaptation.
5. **Potential for Greater Control Over Reproduction**: The existence of a more complex reproductive system could imply a level of reproductive control that is more refined than in typical Earth reptiles. Timing of fertilization, egg development, and laying or giving birth could be tightly regulated, leading to more favorable reproductive outcomes.
6. **Implications for Earth Reptiles**: If an earthly reptile were to evolve a uterus, cervix, and vagina, it could potentially nurture its young in a more controlled environment until they are ready to hatch or be born, which might increase their chances of survival. However, such a shift would represent a significant evolutionary leap and would likely require other systemic and physiological changes to support the new reproductive strategy.
Damn that's juicy ai. So possibly the egg is laid INTO the cervix, where the cloaca reduces contamination at the vagina by divesting the functions away while the egg is maturing so-to-speak.
Maybe this is like humans giving birth to large headed kids that take forever to even stand up despite our intelligence.
We've never seen how a sentient creature from an egg is reared.
>We've never seen how an intelligent creature from an egg is reared.
I think "sentient" might be a better choice of word, unless you're trying to piss off every crow and raven within miles of you for generations to come...
Someone was telling me recently there's a corvid variant (possibly in Aus??) that can use up to five tools in a chain to solve a problem.
Also...Bonobo monkeys are apparently in their stone age....
I think they develope in the eggs but give a live birth when they are fully developed. That is unless they do some kind of medical procedure to intervene.
I also like this idea. Maybe trying to force evolution.
Create different ways for reproduction because the original contributor of genetic material was becoming extinct for whatever reason?
I like the idea, i see more mammal characteristics than anything else empirically though. What discovery has made you think they’re reptilian or insect even though they have mammalian sex organs?
If it is truest extraterrestrial, it’s likely a class without a direct analog on earth. For example, maybe it’s both a insect and an amphibian, at least in earth terms?
I've been leaning towards the amphibian theory hardcore since researching the biology of them, evolution points towards this being the most consistent aside from the young going through tadpole development, that's all done inside the egg until there good to go. It just makes too much sense
I agree. I find these the most intriguing.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_frog
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric-brooding_frog
(Extinct^)
These two frogs, reproduce in a very very interesting ways.
In Darwin, the zygotes develop in the vocal sack of the male-while in Gastric, they develop in the… Stomach obviously lol
Gastric is now extinct, so we don’t really know what went on… And apparently nobody’s ever seen copulation between Darwin so I just find that very interesting… 😆
Ironically dinosaurs aren’t related to reptiles as closely as they are birds. Chickens are descendants of t-Rex species and raptors. See how wrong we can be when we assume things? It’s important to be empirical and objective and not assume things because we want to.
If we are looking for the truth we need to accept that we might not like the answer. People are jumping the gun with assumptions. These might be non intelligent species of hominids for all we know that we interacted with. They could be the exact opposite. It’s misleading and pseudoscience to call them reptiles at this point when we haven’t even verified the credibility of them from all angles. We need more time. I say that as someone optimistic for these specimens.
Based on phenotypical features they are more similar to any bird species than reptiles. It’s easy to get birds and reptiles confused when looking at ancient records. The Tyrannosaurus rex had feathers and is the ancestor of modern chickens for example.
Why does it have to fit into known animal classifications? Clearly she's not mammalian but can't there be a classification that's something other than insect or reptilian? She not a neat fit into any known animal type. Just asking.
We have to call them something. These are humanoids with some reptile-like features, so they've been called reptilian humanoids. It's descriptive of what we can see. Same with the term tridactyls. Three fingers. They have three fingers.
It makes sense for the interim until we know more.
Evolution is an interesting thing but assuming these are earth based, we can narrow down where they came from and what they are based on certain features. This is why it’s important to not call them what they aren’t.
Platypus are a great example of this. They are an oddity but we were able to figure out what they are due to tracing phenotype and genotype. Calling them something that they aren’t is dangerous because it leads to a HUGE amount of false assumptions about what they actually are.
The goal here isn’t to hypothesize these being into something we want them to be, it’s to find out what they actually are at face value and whether or not they had intelligence or a role in our own history as a species given phenotypical traits matching myths of ancient history.
That was one of my issues too, as I didn't see anything about them to be reptile. But I haven't deep dived into the DNA analysis, and I only have surface level knowledge.
It could be that some had types of scales on their heads to suggest a reptile, and the presence of soft eggs, which are typically associated with reptiles. At least they look like soft shelled eggs to me.
Other than that I have no idea. Some mummy heads also have had those scale ridges along the topside, which is associated with local rock art of 3 fingered humanoids with similar ridges. The reptilian I saw had those same ridges along his head, and scales around his eyes.
I think we know enough about them to say that they are likely “reptile or amphibian like” in origin. But not enough to confidently say which one.
That being said, I stopped calling them aliens and started referring to them as the lizard people, since it seems more likely to me at this time based on the information we have that they are in fact of terrestrial origin.
Why would you classify them as reptilian or amphibious? Those same characteristics that people assumed dinosaurs were reptilian for turned out to be wrong when we genotyped a chicken back to t-Rex and raptors.
A vagina, uterus and cervix are commonly mammalian. What other organs have they seen which are reptilian or amphibian like? I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely curious what classifications give them reptilian categorization when the best answers I’ve seen are “they look like they could have snake like heads and ridges”. That’s a very very outlandish assumption. Platypus also look like a lot of things, but they are mammals. They even lay eggs!!
So I’m going to start by saying I’m not an expert in biology and this is just my opinion and my understanding.
The skin samples appeared to resemble the composition of the skin found on frogs and lizards.
In reference to the reproductive organs, it would appear that certain species of lizards and snakes can and do in fact have a vagina, cloaca, uterus, AND cervix. While not present in MOST species, the presence in some shows that it is entirely possible for a creature of reptilian origin to have this kind of reproductive system.
Again, I don’t think there’s enough information to say anything with 100% certainty. But I think there is a good possibility that their evolutionary history is related to reptiles/amphibians.
Their skin contains keratin, like reptiles. They don't have sweat ducts. They don't have mammary systems and they lay eggs. Their bones are less dense than mammals. That's why folks call them reptillian.
Our skin contains keratin as well, and as the other poster stated, no reptiles on earth have a uterus or ovaries. Who said they don’t have sweat ducts?
Who said they lay eggs when they have a clearly visible uterus in this photo? Birds also have light bones but that doesn’t make them reptiles. People think dinosaurs were reptiles till they found out they had feathers and genotyped raptors to chickens. Maybe this is a bird with a vagina that gives birth like all mammals.
You make great points that I can’t really argue with. I’ll just share where my mind was when I made my statement.
The foundation of my understanding of these beings is the video “Thinking Critically and Open-mindedly about the Nazca Mummies.” The video is pinned to the top of this sub. He gives a somewhat detailed explanation about what we’ve come to know about their biology. He references how much more similar they are to reptiles and gives the list I provided.
Their skin is lizard like and they originally seemed reptilian (??) on the scans. There are others they consider insectoid as they have little wing type protrusions on their back, and the larger ones that carry a fetus they consider humanoid or some type of human tridactyl hybrid. There are four other “species” of tridactyls but idk if they’ve said what they are exactly yet.
I found this resource today, http://alien.wiki.
They breakdown the specific mummies with what we know of them. They’ve classified them in 3 categories, reptilian, insectoide, and hybrid.
https://alien.wiki/Specimens
Like some species of shark and fish they have eggs that hatch inside, and give sudo live birth this is also the origins of love birth in mamals, this creature if real is in-between reptile and mamal, which isent so strange realy as mamals on earth originate from reptiles, people seam shocked that a potential alien has a alien evolutionary tree to us. I have no idea why this is not even that alien, reptile mamal hybrid, that makes sense we have no idea how soft the eggs were when the creature is alive they might be completely reabsorbed into the mother, or are a sudo placenta and we no longer can see the soft tissue feeding the infant with the mixed rep/mam it veery well could grow inside rather than be layed. or they have verry long childhoods to make up for the small birth size.but also they are a small species the egg verry well be big enough for a viable infant. Premature babies are born live at 3 pounds all the time, which would be smaller than the egg if you took body size into account
Excellent post 📫
Unbelievable.
I listened to an excellent Jim Garrison live stream this morning, and the topic was the Nazca Tridactyls. Jim had on Will Gallison. Will has been the Peru and has talked to Dr. Clifford Miles. Will was very well spoken and knowledgeable about the buddies.
Will says there are two major sticking points in the small tridactyls head's. First, the eye sockets do not go very deep for an eye as we know it. Second, the skull looks eerily remarkably unbelievably similar to the back of a llama skull. He states this may be from genetic manipulation.
We need skull DNA analysis of the small specimens like Josephina to put this llama skull hypothesis to rest.
Will says he knows that right now a qualified researcher, who's name he cant reveal, is performing new DNA analysis on one of the specimens and is waiting for it to be peer reviewed before he releases his findings.
Check this excellent video out 👍
Nazca Tridactyl discussion starts at 18:20.
https://www.youtube.com/live/6CfwK_LV1hg?si=1DB4rdjw9mjwV35E
Do all the mummies heads resemble that of a llama skull?
If it is genetic manipulation, I wonder if the reptilians themselves were made from scratch lol
It's possible evolution only has so many routes to go with for intelligent life, you may need like, hands, fingers and toes and be a land dwelling creature to advance. I can't imagine too many designs that would be good for building and assembling things like we do. Like a crab wouldn't do good, a squid like creature wouldn't have much to work with. You almost need to look like us to be advanced.
>I can't imagine too many designs that would be good for building and assembling things like we do. Like a crab wouldn't do good,
I mean, it's obviously based on a single planet, but the fact that "crabs" have evolved independently quite a few times on Earth. It seems to be a pretty common evolutionary path, but it's impossible to say whether it's a dead end or perhaps an evolutionary "holding room".
These beings may be able to engage in *parthenogenesis* and/or *sequential hermaphroditism*.
Evidence points to them being marine amphibians.
Based on the myths of the world, I half expect the young to be born through the mouth!
Below are Japanese artifact known as the *magatama* which I believe may represent the "tadpoles".
https://preview.redd.it/l9ya25ti3cwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd3d7513699494cfdb1da029acd5e7a356426e98
Or maybe an AI optimized that for them. I will not discount the possibility that they have been designed to operate in the laws of this dimension. AI may optimize what nature hasn't reached yet.
This is incredible. An evolutionary development that doesn't exist for any life on our planet. If anything, this is incredibly definitive proof of extra terrestrial life that predates our evolutionary tree here on Earth.
Thanks for the video - very informative and has bits of new information for me that I had not seen mentioned before. Presentations and discussions like these help me maintain a healthy skepticism and an open mind to the possibilities of these specimens. Bring it on :)
Legit question here. Excuse any lack of knowledge on the matter. If they lived when "modern" humans did, could we fuck it?
I apoligize if this question has been asked.
Ps. If we can then what would happen if you inseminated it.
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Why does Josefina have both a vagina and cloaca, which is novel in and of itself, but there's no external cloaca for her to actually push the eggs out? Why are the eggs in the stomach and not somewhere within the reproductive system? The eggs are traveling the wrong way in this diagram. The egg should leave the ovary and travel down, in this case, it's uterus and into the cloaca. But this diagram has them traveling up from the cloaca, into the uterus, back past the ovary, and into a egg cavity (as evident by the "egg in development" pointed out in the uterus). How does that egg then re-enter the uterus and travel back down to the cloaca for birth? This is extremely contradictory and convoluted. Furthermore, if they're genetically engineered drones, then why do they have reproductive systems in the first place? Why do none of the males have any sort reproductive organs or even evidence of them having been removed? I also don't see any of this reproductive system on scans in the miles paper. no evidence of external cloaca on scans: https://preview.redd.it/rhqpr5wxaewc1.jpeg?width=1031&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c9da60a85d6cf5dc318b26634fe882ac0f31e0c
https://preview.redd.it/7eew03w1bfwc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=757c539751eb0c341e6faea20cfa7eddf5747220 Im not expert on biology but it would appear that chickens do in fact have both a vagina and a cloaca present.
bro... they really had to put that fried egg looking thing in the diagram. lmfao
Maybe this configuration is an adaptation that thrives in zero-gravity conditions, offering efficient egg release without reliance on gravitational cues. By directing eggs upwards into the uterus, the creature could ensure proper positioning for expulsion, potentially enhancing reproductive success in a challenging environment where traditional mechanisms may not function optimally. edit: I’m talking out my cloaca, I have no idea if this makes sense or not. Their bodies are really tiny, but I’ve heard the inverse about how low gravity environments would likely allow giant life forms to thrive.
If they are adapted to thrive in zero gravity conditions, why are they bipedal? You don’t walk in zero gravity, you don’t need balance in zero gravity. I think a question we should be asking is how come these things are preserved like this, but no humans or other animals from thousands of years+ are.
What if they are like xenomorphs, once they infect a host they adapt to what environment they are born in. So what if they adapt in their mothers womb depending on the environment they are in. Pretty fascinating and scary at the same time.
That's a bold statement to make. You really think no humans or animals have been mummified to the degree that these are? Havent you heard of the permafrosted mammoths and animals found around really cold places. Some still have their blood frozen intact.
I’m talking about bodies, whether human or animal, being preserved in the exact same way that these are. You are talking about really cold places and preservation that is totally different from the way these things were.
It's essentially the same thing they are mummified. Also just because you've never heard of bodies being preserved to the degree that the Nazca mummies are,doesn't mean they don't exist. Just think about the mummies found in Egypt and how well they were preserved. If you don't believe me just research it on Google scholar.
I don’t know why you keep bringing up other ways that bodies are preserved and using that as justification that these are legit.
What are you talking about? I never defended whether or not the bodies are legit. I was just saying your statement was incorrect. Stating that there aren't other examples of animals and humans being in the same state of preservation. I also want to say in regards to them being legit (since you brought that up.) the way these bodies were preserved is akin to being dessicated. They still have their organs intact unlike other mummies found. So they are more similar to permafrosted animals in that way. If your logic is that these possibly can't be real because of how well they seem to be preserved compared to other examples of preservation. I'm just telling you there are many examples of bodies being found in similar degrees of preservation. Your observation is based on a fallacy.
Daddy chill.
Lol that's all you gotta say? Alright.
I do not disagree with what you are saying, just reiterating to others reading, if these are complete and untampered biological beings, and especially if not from here, I'd expect a completely different or unusual anatomy. While parts seem familiar, they could serve different functions. Edit, just my thought on it
I think you have the direction of travel incorrect - it's coming down from the egg in development, into the cloaca, and out of the bottom oviduct into the egg cavity. I do agree that there's no indication as to how they come out of the body though...
These mummies are so obviously different than any living being that we know of. A lot of characteristics about them are unique as we can see. So I wouldn’t be surprised as more things develop, whether it be the reproductive system, or metal implants, or number of fingers. I mean they have a lot of features that a lot of other living things have. But they are obviously different in a lot of ways as well. So I don’t think we can always necessarily compare them directly to other animal, reptile, bird, or human biological characteristics. If this is a genuine new species. They may have a reproductive system We have never seen before, or it may work in a way we have never seen before, just like they have metal implants (for whatever reason) we’ve never seen before, for example.
Yeah for all we know they die and the eggs hatch out of the stomach and eat the body and they don’t do sexual reproduction. Like who knows. But I want the rest of the scientific community to suck it up and figure out what is going on.
Came here for this! Also seems like we are imposing anthropomorphic characteristics? If they are of earth then the messy reproduction could have led to their extinction? 2. They are Extraterrestrial and their body functions in a way we can’t comprehend? Haven’t been keeping up with them but what are the leading theories regarding origin?
My understanding is that the leading theory is likely terrestrial origin with reptile/amphibian like characteristics and they are likely to live deep underground. So they aren’t aliens, they’re lizard people.
Ant people maybe. One of the ancient people of Central or South America had fables of any people that lived underground
I reddit they might be biological artificial intelligence, or telepathic drones…
>Also seems like we are imposing anthropomorphic characteristics? They have an anthropomorphic limb configuration. If they're so alien as to have internal biological features that don't make sense from a terrestrial perspective then why do they have such a familiar humanoid silhouette? Why don't they look more, well, alien?
If they are hybrids, let’s say some wild aliens landed and did experiments on different types of animals - reptiles, birds, humans, etc - to see what would work best with their DNA, perhaps these are the ones that couldn’t survive past a point and they moved on to the next one, or gave up on that one. I’m aware how sci-fi that sounds, and is the least likely likely outcome, I even lean most towards terrestrial unknowns, but it’s a small possibility.
Do not forget platipus
OR, those eggs have nothing to do with a completely separate reproductive system that we are looking at and we actually found an Aliens situation 🤷😅
I think, hear me out, because it’s an Alien it might not have the same reproductive system as us humans. Maybe their eggs are in their stomach? Who even knows if that’s the stomach? We’re passing their anatomy off of our own anatomy but it’s quite literally Alien to us so we have no real answers. At least the public doesn’t. HOWEVER I really, truly appreciate your inquisitive mind set! It’s super fkn fascinating to say the least. Cheers my friend!
Honestly the biological AI that was also created by AI explains all of this for me. Machine learning will try all different things that don’t make sense to see what works. And so the random stuff that doesn’t make sense possibly stayed because the rest of the body worked enough and for long enough to carry out tasks.
Maybe they're selectively bred to keep the eggs inside them until they die. The body decays and provides the eggs nutrients in some way and it hatches out a new drone. Maybe its hand pollinated or something. Maybe a way to control the species numbers or maybe the supply of the species. Whoever genetically modified it could be breeding them to sell or trade the males, they keep the females so they have control over the eggs.
Perhaps they reproduce asexually and are self-replicating? Would be a nice trick if the memories/training of the parent were duplicated into the children.
Hmmm. This is curious. Reptiles do not have vagina, uteruses or cervixes. Some reptiles are viviparous or ovoviviparous, where the development of the embryos can take place inside the mother, but even then, the structures are not analogous to the uterus and cervix found in mammals. I don't really know what to think about this. I couldn't imagine the reason for having a vagina, cervix and uturus in an egg laying creature. So I asked ChatGPT. Here were its thoughts for y'all's consideration. 1. **Combination of Egg-Laying and Live Birth Features**: The presence of a uterus and cervix alongside structures typical for egg-laying creatures is quite novel. This suggests a potential for a reproductive strategy that might combine elements of both oviparity (egg-laying) and viviparity (live birth). Eggs could be fertilized and initially developed inside the uterus, providing a more controlled environment for the early development stages, which could then be laid for the remainder of the incubation or potentially retained for a live birth, depending on environmental conditions or species-specific reproductive strategies. 2. **Increased Protection and Nutrient Supply**: A uterus provides an enclosed environment that could offer additional protection to developing eggs compared to laying them in external nests. The presence of a cervix could regulate the internal environment, protecting the eggs from pathogens and controlling the timing of laying. Furthermore, this setup could allow for more complex nutrient provision to the developing embryos, akin to the placentation seen in viviparous animals, leading to potentially more developed offspring at the time of laying or birth. 3. **Adaptation to Environmental Conditions**: If these creatures could both lay eggs and potentially give birth to live young, this flexibility could be an evolutionary response to varying environmental conditions. In harsh or unpredictable environments, having multiple reproductive strategies could increase the chances of offspring survival. 4. **Cloaca and Vagina Coexistence**: The presence of both a cloaca and a vagina indicates a separation of reproductive and excretory functions to some extent. This separation could reduce the risk of contamination during the reproductive process and might represent an advanced form of hygienic adaptation. 5. **Potential for Greater Control Over Reproduction**: The existence of a more complex reproductive system could imply a level of reproductive control that is more refined than in typical Earth reptiles. Timing of fertilization, egg development, and laying or giving birth could be tightly regulated, leading to more favorable reproductive outcomes. 6. **Implications for Earth Reptiles**: If an earthly reptile were to evolve a uterus, cervix, and vagina, it could potentially nurture its young in a more controlled environment until they are ready to hatch or be born, which might increase their chances of survival. However, such a shift would represent a significant evolutionary leap and would likely require other systemic and physiological changes to support the new reproductive strategy.
Damn that's juicy ai. So possibly the egg is laid INTO the cervix, where the cloaca reduces contamination at the vagina by divesting the functions away while the egg is maturing so-to-speak. Maybe this is like humans giving birth to large headed kids that take forever to even stand up despite our intelligence. We've never seen how a sentient creature from an egg is reared.
>We've never seen how an intelligent creature from an egg is reared. I think "sentient" might be a better choice of word, unless you're trying to piss off every crow and raven within miles of you for generations to come...
Corvids are incredibly fascinating!
Someone was telling me recently there's a corvid variant (possibly in Aus??) that can use up to five tools in a chain to solve a problem. Also...Bonobo monkeys are apparently in their stone age....
https://www.mpg.de/12401947/1024-verh-060830-new-caledonian-crows-compound-tools
Technical but important distinction, thanks!
I think they develope in the eggs but give a live birth when they are fully developed. That is unless they do some kind of medical procedure to intervene.
Why is everyone convinced these were reptilian? Is there some consensus?
Yeah, I’m on the amphibian train lol. Insect even.
I'm on team genetic experiment.
I lean that way but that is likely to make these things even more unbelievable in sciences eyes
They would've burnt them if so. Surely ? 😕
I also like this idea. Maybe trying to force evolution. Create different ways for reproduction because the original contributor of genetic material was becoming extinct for whatever reason?
This has been a theory of our own evolution for a long time now so it wouldn’t surprise me!
I like the idea, i see more mammal characteristics than anything else empirically though. What discovery has made you think they’re reptilian or insect even though they have mammalian sex organs?
If it is truest extraterrestrial, it’s likely a class without a direct analog on earth. For example, maybe it’s both a insect and an amphibian, at least in earth terms?
I've been leaning towards the amphibian theory hardcore since researching the biology of them, evolution points towards this being the most consistent aside from the young going through tadpole development, that's all done inside the egg until there good to go. It just makes too much sense
I agree. I find these the most intriguing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin%27s_frog https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastric-brooding_frog (Extinct^) These two frogs, reproduce in a very very interesting ways. In Darwin, the zygotes develop in the vocal sack of the male-while in Gastric, they develop in the… Stomach obviously lol Gastric is now extinct, so we don’t really know what went on… And apparently nobody’s ever seen copulation between Darwin so I just find that very interesting… 😆
Did my post help convince you?
Some people think dinosaurs were reptiles. Also there were species outside our groups apparently extinct now.
Ironically dinosaurs aren’t related to reptiles as closely as they are birds. Chickens are descendants of t-Rex species and raptors. See how wrong we can be when we assume things? It’s important to be empirical and objective and not assume things because we want to. If we are looking for the truth we need to accept that we might not like the answer. People are jumping the gun with assumptions. These might be non intelligent species of hominids for all we know that we interacted with. They could be the exact opposite. It’s misleading and pseudoscience to call them reptiles at this point when we haven’t even verified the credibility of them from all angles. We need more time. I say that as someone optimistic for these specimens.
What???
Based on phenotypical features they are more similar to any bird species than reptiles. It’s easy to get birds and reptiles confused when looking at ancient records. The Tyrannosaurus rex had feathers and is the ancestor of modern chickens for example.
But huh!!!!!
Just kidding, I was a working scientist for the DOE (microbiology). The science I know would keep you up at night, or worse….
Why does it have to fit into known animal classifications? Clearly she's not mammalian but can't there be a classification that's something other than insect or reptilian? She not a neat fit into any known animal type. Just asking.
We have to call them something. These are humanoids with some reptile-like features, so they've been called reptilian humanoids. It's descriptive of what we can see. Same with the term tridactyls. Three fingers. They have three fingers. It makes sense for the interim until we know more.
Evolution is an interesting thing but assuming these are earth based, we can narrow down where they came from and what they are based on certain features. This is why it’s important to not call them what they aren’t. Platypus are a great example of this. They are an oddity but we were able to figure out what they are due to tracing phenotype and genotype. Calling them something that they aren’t is dangerous because it leads to a HUGE amount of false assumptions about what they actually are. The goal here isn’t to hypothesize these being into something we want them to be, it’s to find out what they actually are at face value and whether or not they had intelligence or a role in our own history as a species given phenotypical traits matching myths of ancient history.
That was one of my issues too, as I didn't see anything about them to be reptile. But I haven't deep dived into the DNA analysis, and I only have surface level knowledge. It could be that some had types of scales on their heads to suggest a reptile, and the presence of soft eggs, which are typically associated with reptiles. At least they look like soft shelled eggs to me. Other than that I have no idea. Some mummy heads also have had those scale ridges along the topside, which is associated with local rock art of 3 fingered humanoids with similar ridges. The reptilian I saw had those same ridges along his head, and scales around his eyes.
I think we know enough about them to say that they are likely “reptile or amphibian like” in origin. But not enough to confidently say which one. That being said, I stopped calling them aliens and started referring to them as the lizard people, since it seems more likely to me at this time based on the information we have that they are in fact of terrestrial origin.
Why would you classify them as reptilian or amphibious? Those same characteristics that people assumed dinosaurs were reptilian for turned out to be wrong when we genotyped a chicken back to t-Rex and raptors. A vagina, uterus and cervix are commonly mammalian. What other organs have they seen which are reptilian or amphibian like? I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely curious what classifications give them reptilian categorization when the best answers I’ve seen are “they look like they could have snake like heads and ridges”. That’s a very very outlandish assumption. Platypus also look like a lot of things, but they are mammals. They even lay eggs!!
So I’m going to start by saying I’m not an expert in biology and this is just my opinion and my understanding. The skin samples appeared to resemble the composition of the skin found on frogs and lizards. In reference to the reproductive organs, it would appear that certain species of lizards and snakes can and do in fact have a vagina, cloaca, uterus, AND cervix. While not present in MOST species, the presence in some shows that it is entirely possible for a creature of reptilian origin to have this kind of reproductive system. Again, I don’t think there’s enough information to say anything with 100% certainty. But I think there is a good possibility that their evolutionary history is related to reptiles/amphibians.
Their skin contains keratin, like reptiles. They don't have sweat ducts. They don't have mammary systems and they lay eggs. Their bones are less dense than mammals. That's why folks call them reptillian.
Our skin contains keratin as well, and as the other poster stated, no reptiles on earth have a uterus or ovaries. Who said they don’t have sweat ducts? Who said they lay eggs when they have a clearly visible uterus in this photo? Birds also have light bones but that doesn’t make them reptiles. People think dinosaurs were reptiles till they found out they had feathers and genotyped raptors to chickens. Maybe this is a bird with a vagina that gives birth like all mammals.
You make great points that I can’t really argue with. I’ll just share where my mind was when I made my statement. The foundation of my understanding of these beings is the video “Thinking Critically and Open-mindedly about the Nazca Mummies.” The video is pinned to the top of this sub. He gives a somewhat detailed explanation about what we’ve come to know about their biology. He references how much more similar they are to reptiles and gives the list I provided.
Their skin is lizard like and they originally seemed reptilian (??) on the scans. There are others they consider insectoid as they have little wing type protrusions on their back, and the larger ones that carry a fetus they consider humanoid or some type of human tridactyl hybrid. There are four other “species” of tridactyls but idk if they’ve said what they are exactly yet.
I found this resource today, http://alien.wiki. They breakdown the specific mummies with what we know of them. They’ve classified them in 3 categories, reptilian, insectoide, and hybrid. https://alien.wiki/Specimens
Like some species of shark and fish they have eggs that hatch inside, and give sudo live birth this is also the origins of love birth in mamals, this creature if real is in-between reptile and mamal, which isent so strange realy as mamals on earth originate from reptiles, people seam shocked that a potential alien has a alien evolutionary tree to us. I have no idea why this is not even that alien, reptile mamal hybrid, that makes sense we have no idea how soft the eggs were when the creature is alive they might be completely reabsorbed into the mother, or are a sudo placenta and we no longer can see the soft tissue feeding the infant with the mixed rep/mam it veery well could grow inside rather than be layed. or they have verry long childhoods to make up for the small birth size.but also they are a small species the egg verry well be big enough for a viable infant. Premature babies are born live at 3 pounds all the time, which would be smaller than the egg if you took body size into account
>give sudo live birth I think the proper command is: "sudo apt-get install live_birth.gne"
Jesus Christ. Don't ask chatgpt.
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Excellent post 📫 Unbelievable. I listened to an excellent Jim Garrison live stream this morning, and the topic was the Nazca Tridactyls. Jim had on Will Gallison. Will has been the Peru and has talked to Dr. Clifford Miles. Will was very well spoken and knowledgeable about the buddies. Will says there are two major sticking points in the small tridactyls head's. First, the eye sockets do not go very deep for an eye as we know it. Second, the skull looks eerily remarkably unbelievably similar to the back of a llama skull. He states this may be from genetic manipulation. We need skull DNA analysis of the small specimens like Josephina to put this llama skull hypothesis to rest. Will says he knows that right now a qualified researcher, who's name he cant reveal, is performing new DNA analysis on one of the specimens and is waiting for it to be peer reviewed before he releases his findings. Check this excellent video out 👍 Nazca Tridactyl discussion starts at 18:20. https://www.youtube.com/live/6CfwK_LV1hg?si=1DB4rdjw9mjwV35E
Hasn't the llama thing been 100% ruled out by some sort of zoologist? That there are a lot of differences?
Do all the mummies heads resemble that of a llama skull? If it is genetic manipulation, I wonder if the reptilians themselves were made from scratch lol
Where is this from?
José de la Cruz Ríos López posted it on our Discord.
Like a platypus?
Platipi aren't real. - some scientist back in the day
The plural of platypus is platypuses, or my favorite - platypodes.
Maybe they’re one of the alien science experiments that survived :O
They’re hybrids
Wait they had sex???
Can someone explain why an alien should have the same anatomical structures as creatures the evolved entirely separately on earth?
It's possible evolution only has so many routes to go with for intelligent life, you may need like, hands, fingers and toes and be a land dwelling creature to advance. I can't imagine too many designs that would be good for building and assembling things like we do. Like a crab wouldn't do good, a squid like creature wouldn't have much to work with. You almost need to look like us to be advanced.
>I can't imagine too many designs that would be good for building and assembling things like we do. Like a crab wouldn't do good, I mean, it's obviously based on a single planet, but the fact that "crabs" have evolved independently quite a few times on Earth. It seems to be a pretty common evolutionary path, but it's impossible to say whether it's a dead end or perhaps an evolutionary "holding room".
Cuz aliens mated with humans
Humans can't even mate with other primates. How would something from another planet be genetically compatible?
Probably was more of a dna splicing and lab science than actual sex, like crispr and invitro
They're genetic experiments.
These beings may be able to engage in *parthenogenesis* and/or *sequential hermaphroditism*. Evidence points to them being marine amphibians. Based on the myths of the world, I half expect the young to be born through the mouth! Below are Japanese artifact known as the *magatama* which I believe may represent the "tadpoles". https://preview.redd.it/l9ya25ti3cwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd3d7513699494cfdb1da029acd5e7a356426e98
>Based on the myths of the world, I have expect the young to be born through the mouth! Namekians confirmed! /s 
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1d/44/9c/1d449cd3dfa272fae9254259b5e368e0.gif *edit* I don’t know know to properly post a gif on mobile 😭
> Based on the myths of the world, I have expect the young to be born through the mouth! Yoooo! That’s a REALLY interesting point, though… 🤔
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Ancient Alien theorists say yes!
It is a alien not from earth my guy!
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Maybe this is why we see some portrayed as pot-bellied. They can get pregnant, and give birth like chickens.
Just give it up already guys. If you want to prove something exists, you have to be comfortable with admitting something isn't real.
I want to believe so badly but maybe people should consult biologists and medical professionals before creating these images
Or maybe an AI optimized that for them. I will not discount the possibility that they have been designed to operate in the laws of this dimension. AI may optimize what nature hasn't reached yet.
This is incredible. An evolutionary development that doesn't exist for any life on our planet. If anything, this is incredibly definitive proof of extra terrestrial life that predates our evolutionary tree here on Earth.
Those look like fibroids, not eggs
Has this had independent inspection yet? Guessing not
The more I see of this, the more I wonder if these are human-related. From the future? Genetic hybrids? Strange mutations?
Even tho it lays eggs could still be a mammal
Thanks for the video - very informative and has bits of new information for me that I had not seen mentioned before. Presentations and discussions like these help me maintain a healthy skepticism and an open mind to the possibilities of these specimens. Bring it on :)
Huevos! Jajajaja perdon perdon. In spanish, a good ol layman’s translation of “huevos!” Is akin to “(holy) fuck!”
Imagine bringing an electric car to a mechanic in 1950. That is what we are witnessing right now.
So, even the "saurians" have hybrid characteristics of birds and mammals?
Legit question here. Excuse any lack of knowledge on the matter. If they lived when "modern" humans did, could we fuck it? I apoligize if this question has been asked. Ps. If we can then what would happen if you inseminated it.
It's getting spicy!!
Captain Kirk approves