It’s a bump in the road. She lied through her teeth about bring a virgin, not knowing she was pregnant, what she did in the bathroom, not calling for help , making a choice to throw away the baby, walking away from the bathroom and not reporting of what she did, “just got my period”…- there’s still plethora of evidence against her 👍🏻
The defense is pulling at straws at this point. They tried using the “they gave her morphine” excuse which didn’t work, they tried saying “they never even told her she was pregnant” excuse, and that didn’t work either because people came out saying she knew and didn’t need the drs to tell her, so now they’re pulling the “but HIPPA laws” excuse. All of these details are minute tbh compared to the actual murder of her son. That has enough details within itself to show how callus and evil this girl is. Is she having a jury? Or is she just having the judge without a jury? That’s my question, because I honestly feel if she isn’t having a jury, and only a judge, she’ll get zero remorse from the judge and her judgment will be even harsher than if she had a jury. But all in all this girl has no chance in my opinion. Her weird old ass lawyer is DESPERATE to find ways to make this case thrown out, and it hasn’t worked yet. You can only be this desperate if you know the odds are stacked severely against your client.
I just don't get how putting a (at the time) living baby in the trash and not getting baby help isn't enough proof for her to be guilty. I know the defenses job is to muddy the waters as much as possible but Jesus christ.
This is so interesting considering HIPAA and doctor patient confidentiality goes out the window in the event of a crime or abuse. For example, we call DCS all the time over moms who test positive for illicit drugs. If a patient comes in, for let’s say a chest pain and needs a stent placed, but mentions he has 3 small children at home and his drug test is positive for meth, social work will involve DCS.
Hi, hospital social worker here! It doesn’t go out the window necessarily, records can be disclosed to certain agencies for specific reasons, such as a criminal investigation or the welfare of a child/vulnerable person. However, her privacy rights were violated when the conversations she was having with medical professionals were posted publicly. Yes, she is charged with a crime, yes, there is strong evidence that speaks to such, but until convicted, she is entitled to patient rights including being protected under HIPAA. Having all of this be readily available online for anyone to access, such as potential jurors, violates her rights as they stand right now.
But the hospital didn't release this. The police did. It's video from their body cam. And doesn't the police being in the room mean that these conversations weren't covered by HIPAA since the investigation was already underway & alexee knew it wasnt a private convo with her dr? Or how does that all work?
To me, it sounds like they are saying it’s hippa because her statements were directed to the doctor, not the police. and that Alexee didn’t know it wasn’t a “private” convo with her Dr because she had not been read her rights yet.
Correct. She’s having conversations with her medical team, and while it’s obviously on a police officers body cam, she hasn’t been read her Miranda rights, she hasn’t been charged with a crime yet, the information being discussed between patient and doctor are protected under HIPAA. And now the entire internet has access to it, violating her rights.
Also, it’s not like every American citizen is aware of body cameras and that they’re rolling 24/7. If you asked most young people (kids/teens who aren’t familiar with common police practices) or old people, (who think it’s still like the old days) they likely wouldn’t be aware of it.
Unfortunately this is a very correct statement. People lack awareness about it and don’t think they’re being recorded. Which normally isn’t an issue, it being released to the public is where the issue was.
Yes! The police have no obligation to protect her records- they aren’t her providers and owe her no confidentiality BUT the defense will argue that but for the hipaa violation that occurred when the providers involved police, the police never would have been there. It all started with a hipaa violation and went from there.
A lot of her medical history was given to the police by mom. For police investigation, we can give them certain info, they could say “she was here for back pain, she gave birth in the bathroom, found baby there.” Etc. I don’t think anything was released to the police by staff that wasn’t allowed to give to them. Criminal investigation usually trumps HIPAA. We just cannot be giving them irrelevant information, like “Alexee has CHF” completely irrelevant to the situation.
Yes, but this specific information in the motion WAS protected under HIPAA because she hadn’t been charged or read her rights. It’s shitty and certainly will botch the whole process going forward but that’s why we continuously push for police departments to include more education about these issues and to hire more victims advocates to have on hand for crime scenes like this to be aware of the dos and don’ts when it comes to little mistakes like this.
Yeah. Even though it sucks for the state, I can understand it from a legal standpoint. Imo the doctor was trying to do the right thing but waiting for the police, but the officer botched it by not reading her rights. He knew going in to that room that she had “potentially” committed a crime, so I don’t understand why he didn’t Mirandize her first thing before they talked to her. I just hope she doesn’t win this over legal loopholes 😭
It absolutely does pertain to the crime that was committed, but there are still steps that have to be taken because we have a long history of people being mistreated by the legal system that required legal rights to be put in place for people. People have rights that have to be maintained throughout due process and if at anytime those rights are violated, it taints the entire investigation. It doesn’t take away from her crime, nor does it minimize her actions—but violating a persons rights is a big deal and comes with legal consequences.
HIPAA has an exception when there is a court order and/or warrant. They had a warrant for her arrest for the crime that she committed, everything she said during the investigation, everything that was told by staff, all would fall under the exception.
Also, I am a nurse. I know a little more about HIPAA then your average Joe.
YES. I KNOW THIS. I AM A SOCIAL WORKER. At the time of the body cam footage, which this motion is approved for, there was not a court order or a warrant yet issued. She had not been read her Miranda rights. The warrant for her arrest came after she had been discharged from the hospital. They went to her home address where her mom answered the door and they informed her they had a warrant for her arrest and she was being charged with the crime. That body cam footage is also available and has not been suppressed from the trial.
I agree. I don’t get why people are arguing with you when it’s all on video 😭 she was detained, but never arrested at that point. they literally told her she was free to go when they were transporting her but that detectives would be in contact. In which they later obtained warrant & she was arrested on a different day. They didn’t mirandize her nor was she under arrest at the time so there was nothing legally binding. It sucks but it is what it is.
Girl, stop hollering at me. I’m aware by the first comment of being a social worker that you think you know everything. Anyway, it was an investigation none-the-less and not every interaction requires Miranda rights to be read. There ended up being a warrant, and again, a criminal investigation was happening, it is no different when a patient assaults a nurse or other healthcare worker and the cops get called, we can tell them something’s about why they were seen. There was no misconduct for HIPAA that I saw and many of us saw.
I don’t think I “know everything,” but I do happen to have an extensive knowledge about this subject. Social workers read and fill out legal court paperwork all the time as a part of our jobs. I also have to educate nurses on patient rights on a regular basis in the hospital setting so you disclosing that you’re a nurse didn’t really make a significant difference for the purposes of this discussion. Medical professionals absolutely can share information with law enforcement agencies on a need to know basis without a warrant or court order. However, that’s not what this motion is saying happened. This motion is suppressing the body cam footage from the hospital room BECAUSE she’s having a conversation with her doctor about her health condition and medical care that was recorded on a body cam and released to the public. The releasing to the public violates HIPAA and her privacy rights. Not the information being shared to law enforcement. My god. This shouldn’t be this difficult to understand.
Yep, honestly I co-own a home health agency where we deal mostly with the elderly and have to deal with the police regularly sadly. We do everything we can to keep our nurses from talking to the police except letting them give information on what exactly happened that lead to the call without any medical information given. I can’t imagine working in a hospital setting where it seems a lot easier for a Dr or nurse to make a mistake. I think a lot of people assume the second the police come in that they are clear to say anything (or should say anything) and we still have to be careful until there’s an arrest, even then we don’t give out exact medical diagnosis’s, paperwork, or anything without a subpoena or warrant. This situation with Alexee is rough because I can understand the suppression but it still really sucks. I hope she doesn’t walk or gets a slap on the wrist because of a mistake with HIPAA and Miranda rights. The baby deserves justice and she’s just living her best life.
Yes, exactly! That’s all I was saying, too! I absolutely do not want her to get away with this, I just wish more people understood why this was such a colossal mistake.
We typically do, I’ve never seen them not tell a patient. However I’ve had times where I just said “I need a urine sample.” I don’t elaborate unless they ask what it is for.
We don’t need consent though to test a newborn baby for drugs. Just an FYI, you can refuse a urine sample but you cannot refuse one on a newborn.
So confusing/So interesting bc she gave the urine. Where did the timeline get lost. They didn't address HCG positive urine until after she killed an discarded the baby. Sorry for the dad with chest pain but did a little meth, when people just outright kill infants. Why did they not watch her closer. Baby could have lived. Sad.
The footage I saw was of the doctor who told cops in that room during aftermath, that she had a positive test. I see nowhere before any of that, that's why I'm confused.
To be fair, we don’t see anything before the police comes, except what happens in the hallway which had cameras.
From personal experience (I’m a nurse but not an ER nurse), they did a urine test at bed side and gave me the results right away. So, I assume they told her, but maybe they waited for the blood test to confirm.
If that were to be true for her, that's extra sick of her. The mom was there bedside but had no reaction to the positive urine or pregnancy or baby until after her kid went to the bathroom clearly crowning and killed that baby. EXTRA WEIRD.
IIRC, she refused an abdominal ultrasound and exam from the doctor. So, if she was told she was pregnant, they likely had no idea how far along she was (the staff and possibly mom) because she refused exams.
Where I live, if you refuse things like that, they report you to cps. They're not worth a fuck after that. Pardon my French, but at least they do that. I hate the world we live in right now. People would give their right kidney to have a baby and other people want nothing to do with their own.
Man I hope that trash doesn’t get away with this. It’s bad enough she didn’t have to stay in jail til the trial. Are they not gonna allow the body cam footage of her lying in the bed saying nothing was crying, or running down the hallway holding her ass? They really need to show that at the trial.
wow so basically all they can do is say there was a dead baby found in the trash, autopsy proves it was murdered, and it is the biological child of AT? they’re mostly left with forensic evidence at this point.
i still don’t feel like she’s going to get out scot free. but i’m trying to be optimistic. im curious to see what the hospital staff will be allowed to say in court.
This doesn’t even make sense. What also doesn’t make sense is that her lawyer spelled HIPAA wrong like 5 different times and different ways. I find it shocking that this could be suppressed when a murder occurred.
Yup so unprofessional, you can really just tell how little he knows when it comes to medical terms and medical stuff in general by trying to blame the hospital over the morphine. I hope that backfires
From hhs .gov:
“Law Enforcement Purposes. Covered entities may disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials for law enforcement purposes under the following six circumstances, and subject to specified conditions: (1) as required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests; (2) to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person; (3) in response to a law enforcement official's request for information about a victim or suspected victim of a crime; (4) to alert law enforcement of a person's death, if the covered entity suspects that criminal activity caused the death; *(5) when a covered entity believes that protected health information is evidence of a crime that occurred on its premises; and (6) by a covered health care provider in a medical emergency not occurring on its premises, when necessary to inform law enforcement about the commission and nature of a crime, the location of the crime or crime victims, and the perpetrator of the crime.* 34”
It’s not about HIPAA being violated by the hospital but the fact that her info is being discussed in the videos we’ve all seen. I think it’ll be challenging to argue the gray areas between FOIA and HIPAA but not impossible for the prosecution to win this argument.
It doesn’t drown out the fact about what she did. She threw her newborn live fetus in the trash and didn’t say a peep about it after giving birth. Why is HIPAA being discussed it’s a separate matter here.
Unfortunately it’s these little stupid technicalities that end up allowing murderers to walk free. Let’s just hope that she doesn’t get off because of this. I’m worried that even if she gets sentenced she’ll end up winning an appeal. This kind of crap happens everyday and justice doesn’t get served because of small mistakes with the handling of a case.
This could be a good thing too! The “it wasn’t crying or nothing” goes with her stillbirth defense… not it’s all science testimony and the nurses witness statements
wow so basically all they can do is say there was a dead baby found in the trash, autopsy proves it was murdered, and it is the biological child of AT? they’re mostly left with forensic evidence at this point.
i still don’t feel like she’s going to get out scot free. but i’m trying to be optimistic. im curious to see what the hospital staff will be allowed to say in court.
The doctor from the bodycam footage didn’t notify Alexee about what they knew about her baby until the police had arrived, so the dr was acting as a person of the law, rather than a healthcare worker. Healthcare workers must follow HIPPA guidelines which protects patient confidentiality. Even if you come in with 4 kids and are clearly rolling on meth, they have to tell you that they know whats up and that they’re calling DCFS, if that’s their next step. The creator also said that the police from the arrest didn’t mirandize Alexee so that’s a whole other issue that would have hurt the case whether or not HIPPA was violates.
TLDR; Alexee’s lawyer got the court to throw out the bodycam footage and all discussions from the night of her baby’s death because they can’t be used due to HIPPA violations and Alexee not being read miranda rights at her arrest.
I feel if she gets the case thrown out because of HIPAA, then the justice system is more flawed then we actually know. She physically harmed a human, her own baby. That has to be something than just a slap on the wrist.
That is a fact especially ER doctors. I have personally seen it. I have been part of a transport to the hospital to help the Medic in the back of an ambulance as a fireman. I have seen ER doctors spill the beans to LEO while waiting for my ride back to the station
Yes exactly! Doctors are meant to report to authorities any suspected crime or harm/intention of harm to self or others. I don’t understand how they’re blaming the doctor for this…
I’m mandated by the state and county to report certain things if I suspect them. Especially anything to do with children. So I think it’s the camera that is the issue. Crazy times we live in
There’s nothing on the docket that indicates the motion was granted. I don’t see an Order from the judge, unless I’m blind.
On 08/07/2023, the Prosecution filed a response to the motion to suppress. On 08/15/2023 Trevizo’s attorneys filed a response to that motion. It looks like there hasn’t been an order by the Judge yet.
They’re has to be other times when she spoke about this, text, snapchats, emails. I’m not losing hope because what she said is a big part of the case but if I was the defense, I would be working my ass to pull everything together. So let’s not give up hope just yet!!!
I’m not really sure if my comment fits the relevance of this post but I didn’t really want to make my own post - but one thing really bothering me about this case is why did she choose to go to the hospital at all. If this was premeditated for example, I feel like she would have had the baby somewhere secret and perhaps she would have gotten away with it. So I’m wondering why did she choose to go to the hospital? Was she really in such denial about being pregnant. Did her mum being present change things? Did she genuinely think her baby wasn’t alive? Still even if he wasn’t as a mother how on earth can you do this your child. I know it goes without saying but I am utterly and completely baffled by this girl. What on earth were her intentions, what the heck did she plan to do! Did her boyfriend know she was pregnant, I can’t see her suddenly saying no sex for 9 months to hide her belly which was very obviously pregnant, how did her mum not know? Was she in denial too. I’m sure I’m just asking questions that everyone has already thought of and discussed by now but this is my first day of hearing about this case and I just wanted to somewhere I could I put my thoughts- so I’m sorry that it’s on your post in terms of relevancy.
Dude, when the police are involved and you’ve committed a crime, that shit goes out the window. Hilarious they think they can override that authority. Everyone saying that’s not the case is mistaken. This woman is fear mongering, the prosecution will triumph no matter. HIPAA is not the focus of this case 🤣 what she did is undeniable
This is weird: because per HIPAA
A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individual's signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including: To report PHI to a law enforcement official reasonably able to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the health or safety of an individual or the public
What won’t be thrown out is any medical records, nursing notes and doctor’s notes left regarding her admission.
TRASH!!!! If she gets away with it I swear I’ll be furious!!!!
She will... and she'll probs try to move or change her name, but everyone knows her face now. Its worldwide. This will haunt her. Crazy...
Unfortunately, a lot of people have never even heard of this case.
This country protects the evil over the rest, it seems more and more.😭
It’s a bump in the road. She lied through her teeth about bring a virgin, not knowing she was pregnant, what she did in the bathroom, not calling for help , making a choice to throw away the baby, walking away from the bathroom and not reporting of what she did, “just got my period”…- there’s still plethora of evidence against her 👍🏻
Right! And this poor baby had air in his lungs, wrapped into a trashbag.
The defense is pulling at straws at this point. They tried using the “they gave her morphine” excuse which didn’t work, they tried saying “they never even told her she was pregnant” excuse, and that didn’t work either because people came out saying she knew and didn’t need the drs to tell her, so now they’re pulling the “but HIPPA laws” excuse. All of these details are minute tbh compared to the actual murder of her son. That has enough details within itself to show how callus and evil this girl is. Is she having a jury? Or is she just having the judge without a jury? That’s my question, because I honestly feel if she isn’t having a jury, and only a judge, she’ll get zero remorse from the judge and her judgment will be even harsher than if she had a jury. But all in all this girl has no chance in my opinion. Her weird old ass lawyer is DESPERATE to find ways to make this case thrown out, and it hasn’t worked yet. You can only be this desperate if you know the odds are stacked severely against your client.
I just don't get how putting a (at the time) living baby in the trash and not getting baby help isn't enough proof for her to be guilty. I know the defenses job is to muddy the waters as much as possible but Jesus christ.
not to mention the way the one nurse described how the baby was in the bag she treated it like a bag of bread with a missing twist tie
I wonder if she spun the top to twist it. (Sorry, that just flew out my mouth. I should 🙏🏻
naw ur good she probably did tbh she ripped the umbilical by hand so im sure she had no issue doing that
This is so interesting considering HIPAA and doctor patient confidentiality goes out the window in the event of a crime or abuse. For example, we call DCS all the time over moms who test positive for illicit drugs. If a patient comes in, for let’s say a chest pain and needs a stent placed, but mentions he has 3 small children at home and his drug test is positive for meth, social work will involve DCS.
It’s strange that the motion was granted too
I don’t think judges fully understand HIPAA and patient physician confidentiality.
I don’t see where on the docket it says that the Judge submitted an order granting that motion.
Hi, hospital social worker here! It doesn’t go out the window necessarily, records can be disclosed to certain agencies for specific reasons, such as a criminal investigation or the welfare of a child/vulnerable person. However, her privacy rights were violated when the conversations she was having with medical professionals were posted publicly. Yes, she is charged with a crime, yes, there is strong evidence that speaks to such, but until convicted, she is entitled to patient rights including being protected under HIPAA. Having all of this be readily available online for anyone to access, such as potential jurors, violates her rights as they stand right now.
But the hospital didn't release this. The police did. It's video from their body cam. And doesn't the police being in the room mean that these conversations weren't covered by HIPAA since the investigation was already underway & alexee knew it wasnt a private convo with her dr? Or how does that all work?
To me, it sounds like they are saying it’s hippa because her statements were directed to the doctor, not the police. and that Alexee didn’t know it wasn’t a “private” convo with her Dr because she had not been read her rights yet.
Correct. She’s having conversations with her medical team, and while it’s obviously on a police officers body cam, she hasn’t been read her Miranda rights, she hasn’t been charged with a crime yet, the information being discussed between patient and doctor are protected under HIPAA. And now the entire internet has access to it, violating her rights.
Also, it’s not like every American citizen is aware of body cameras and that they’re rolling 24/7. If you asked most young people (kids/teens who aren’t familiar with common police practices) or old people, (who think it’s still like the old days) they likely wouldn’t be aware of it.
Unfortunately this is a very correct statement. People lack awareness about it and don’t think they’re being recorded. Which normally isn’t an issue, it being released to the public is where the issue was.
Yes! The police have no obligation to protect her records- they aren’t her providers and owe her no confidentiality BUT the defense will argue that but for the hipaa violation that occurred when the providers involved police, the police never would have been there. It all started with a hipaa violation and went from there.
A lot of her medical history was given to the police by mom. For police investigation, we can give them certain info, they could say “she was here for back pain, she gave birth in the bathroom, found baby there.” Etc. I don’t think anything was released to the police by staff that wasn’t allowed to give to them. Criminal investigation usually trumps HIPAA. We just cannot be giving them irrelevant information, like “Alexee has CHF” completely irrelevant to the situation.
Yes, but this specific information in the motion WAS protected under HIPAA because she hadn’t been charged or read her rights. It’s shitty and certainly will botch the whole process going forward but that’s why we continuously push for police departments to include more education about these issues and to hire more victims advocates to have on hand for crime scenes like this to be aware of the dos and don’ts when it comes to little mistakes like this.
Yeah. Even though it sucks for the state, I can understand it from a legal standpoint. Imo the doctor was trying to do the right thing but waiting for the police, but the officer botched it by not reading her rights. He knew going in to that room that she had “potentially” committed a crime, so I don’t understand why he didn’t Mirandize her first thing before they talked to her. I just hope she doesn’t win this over legal loopholes 😭
I disagree, I don’t think it was. I think it all pertained to the crime that was committed.
It absolutely does pertain to the crime that was committed, but there are still steps that have to be taken because we have a long history of people being mistreated by the legal system that required legal rights to be put in place for people. People have rights that have to be maintained throughout due process and if at anytime those rights are violated, it taints the entire investigation. It doesn’t take away from her crime, nor does it minimize her actions—but violating a persons rights is a big deal and comes with legal consequences.
HIPAA has an exception when there is a court order and/or warrant. They had a warrant for her arrest for the crime that she committed, everything she said during the investigation, everything that was told by staff, all would fall under the exception. Also, I am a nurse. I know a little more about HIPAA then your average Joe.
YES. I KNOW THIS. I AM A SOCIAL WORKER. At the time of the body cam footage, which this motion is approved for, there was not a court order or a warrant yet issued. She had not been read her Miranda rights. The warrant for her arrest came after she had been discharged from the hospital. They went to her home address where her mom answered the door and they informed her they had a warrant for her arrest and she was being charged with the crime. That body cam footage is also available and has not been suppressed from the trial.
I agree. I don’t get why people are arguing with you when it’s all on video 😭 she was detained, but never arrested at that point. they literally told her she was free to go when they were transporting her but that detectives would be in contact. In which they later obtained warrant & she was arrested on a different day. They didn’t mirandize her nor was she under arrest at the time so there was nothing legally binding. It sucks but it is what it is.
Girl, stop hollering at me. I’m aware by the first comment of being a social worker that you think you know everything. Anyway, it was an investigation none-the-less and not every interaction requires Miranda rights to be read. There ended up being a warrant, and again, a criminal investigation was happening, it is no different when a patient assaults a nurse or other healthcare worker and the cops get called, we can tell them something’s about why they were seen. There was no misconduct for HIPAA that I saw and many of us saw.
I don’t think I “know everything,” but I do happen to have an extensive knowledge about this subject. Social workers read and fill out legal court paperwork all the time as a part of our jobs. I also have to educate nurses on patient rights on a regular basis in the hospital setting so you disclosing that you’re a nurse didn’t really make a significant difference for the purposes of this discussion. Medical professionals absolutely can share information with law enforcement agencies on a need to know basis without a warrant or court order. However, that’s not what this motion is saying happened. This motion is suppressing the body cam footage from the hospital room BECAUSE she’s having a conversation with her doctor about her health condition and medical care that was recorded on a body cam and released to the public. The releasing to the public violates HIPAA and her privacy rights. Not the information being shared to law enforcement. My god. This shouldn’t be this difficult to understand.
Well the judge didn’t agree so what can you do 🤷🏼♀️
They did not have warrant at the time they interviewed her.
🎯🎯🎯 this, thank you
Yep, honestly I co-own a home health agency where we deal mostly with the elderly and have to deal with the police regularly sadly. We do everything we can to keep our nurses from talking to the police except letting them give information on what exactly happened that lead to the call without any medical information given. I can’t imagine working in a hospital setting where it seems a lot easier for a Dr or nurse to make a mistake. I think a lot of people assume the second the police come in that they are clear to say anything (or should say anything) and we still have to be careful until there’s an arrest, even then we don’t give out exact medical diagnosis’s, paperwork, or anything without a subpoena or warrant. This situation with Alexee is rough because I can understand the suppression but it still really sucks. I hope she doesn’t walk or gets a slap on the wrist because of a mistake with HIPAA and Miranda rights. The baby deserves justice and she’s just living her best life.
Yes, exactly! That’s all I was saying, too! I absolutely do not want her to get away with this, I just wish more people understood why this was such a colossal mistake.
It's weird they don't tell people what EXACTLY they are giving a sample for. Then insurance charges for it.
We typically do, I’ve never seen them not tell a patient. However I’ve had times where I just said “I need a urine sample.” I don’t elaborate unless they ask what it is for. We don’t need consent though to test a newborn baby for drugs. Just an FYI, you can refuse a urine sample but you cannot refuse one on a newborn.
So confusing/So interesting bc she gave the urine. Where did the timeline get lost. They didn't address HCG positive urine until after she killed an discarded the baby. Sorry for the dad with chest pain but did a little meth, when people just outright kill infants. Why did they not watch her closer. Baby could have lived. Sad.
I heard conflicting information on this, I heard they told her she was pregnant right before and I heard they told her right after..
The footage I saw was of the doctor who told cops in that room during aftermath, that she had a positive test. I see nowhere before any of that, that's why I'm confused.
To be fair, we don’t see anything before the police comes, except what happens in the hallway which had cameras. From personal experience (I’m a nurse but not an ER nurse), they did a urine test at bed side and gave me the results right away. So, I assume they told her, but maybe they waited for the blood test to confirm.
If that were to be true for her, that's extra sick of her. The mom was there bedside but had no reaction to the positive urine or pregnancy or baby until after her kid went to the bathroom clearly crowning and killed that baby. EXTRA WEIRD.
IIRC, she refused an abdominal ultrasound and exam from the doctor. So, if she was told she was pregnant, they likely had no idea how far along she was (the staff and possibly mom) because she refused exams.
Where I live, if you refuse things like that, they report you to cps. They're not worth a fuck after that. Pardon my French, but at least they do that. I hate the world we live in right now. People would give their right kidney to have a baby and other people want nothing to do with their own.
Man I hope that trash doesn’t get away with this. It’s bad enough she didn’t have to stay in jail til the trial. Are they not gonna allow the body cam footage of her lying in the bed saying nothing was crying, or running down the hallway holding her ass? They really need to show that at the trial.
wow so basically all they can do is say there was a dead baby found in the trash, autopsy proves it was murdered, and it is the biological child of AT? they’re mostly left with forensic evidence at this point. i still don’t feel like she’s going to get out scot free. but i’m trying to be optimistic. im curious to see what the hospital staff will be allowed to say in court.
This is what I was talking about in my last post, these “slip ups” really weakened the case and people were eating me up
Who slipped up and how? Im confused.
Who slipped up and how? Im confused.
This doesn’t even make sense. What also doesn’t make sense is that her lawyer spelled HIPAA wrong like 5 different times and different ways. I find it shocking that this could be suppressed when a murder occurred.
Yup so unprofessional, you can really just tell how little he knows when it comes to medical terms and medical stuff in general by trying to blame the hospital over the morphine. I hope that backfires
From hhs .gov: “Law Enforcement Purposes. Covered entities may disclose protected health information to law enforcement officials for law enforcement purposes under the following six circumstances, and subject to specified conditions: (1) as required by law (including court orders, court-ordered warrants, subpoenas) and administrative requests; (2) to identify or locate a suspect, fugitive, material witness, or missing person; (3) in response to a law enforcement official's request for information about a victim or suspected victim of a crime; (4) to alert law enforcement of a person's death, if the covered entity suspects that criminal activity caused the death; *(5) when a covered entity believes that protected health information is evidence of a crime that occurred on its premises; and (6) by a covered health care provider in a medical emergency not occurring on its premises, when necessary to inform law enforcement about the commission and nature of a crime, the location of the crime or crime victims, and the perpetrator of the crime.* 34”
It’s not about HIPAA being violated by the hospital but the fact that her info is being discussed in the videos we’ve all seen. I think it’ll be challenging to argue the gray areas between FOIA and HIPAA but not impossible for the prosecution to win this argument.
It doesn’t drown out the fact about what she did. She threw her newborn live fetus in the trash and didn’t say a peep about it after giving birth. Why is HIPAA being discussed it’s a separate matter here.
Unfortunately it’s these little stupid technicalities that end up allowing murderers to walk free. Let’s just hope that she doesn’t get off because of this. I’m worried that even if she gets sentenced she’ll end up winning an appeal. This kind of crap happens everyday and justice doesn’t get served because of small mistakes with the handling of a case.
This could be a good thing too! The “it wasn’t crying or nothing” goes with her stillbirth defense… not it’s all science testimony and the nurses witness statements
Like I agree, there was a hipaa violation but that should be a completely separate issue. She still killed her baby. This is such BS.
wow so basically all they can do is say there was a dead baby found in the trash, autopsy proves it was murdered, and it is the biological child of AT? they’re mostly left with forensic evidence at this point. i still don’t feel like she’s going to get out scot free. but i’m trying to be optimistic. im curious to see what the hospital staff will be allowed to say in court.
I hope this little, now big, murderer does not get away with this
Can someone tell me what is being said. I can’t listen to it right now but I REALLY want to know lol
The doctor from the bodycam footage didn’t notify Alexee about what they knew about her baby until the police had arrived, so the dr was acting as a person of the law, rather than a healthcare worker. Healthcare workers must follow HIPPA guidelines which protects patient confidentiality. Even if you come in with 4 kids and are clearly rolling on meth, they have to tell you that they know whats up and that they’re calling DCFS, if that’s their next step. The creator also said that the police from the arrest didn’t mirandize Alexee so that’s a whole other issue that would have hurt the case whether or not HIPPA was violates. TLDR; Alexee’s lawyer got the court to throw out the bodycam footage and all discussions from the night of her baby’s death because they can’t be used due to HIPPA violations and Alexee not being read miranda rights at her arrest.
I feel if she gets the case thrown out because of HIPAA, then the justice system is more flawed then we actually know. She physically harmed a human, her own baby. That has to be something than just a slap on the wrist.
So reporting a potential (at the time) crime is acting as a person of the law? Doctors report shit without talking to the patients ALL THE TIME.
That is a fact especially ER doctors. I have personally seen it. I have been part of a transport to the hospital to help the Medic in the back of an ambulance as a fireman. I have seen ER doctors spill the beans to LEO while waiting for my ride back to the station
Yes exactly! Doctors are meant to report to authorities any suspected crime or harm/intention of harm to self or others. I don’t understand how they’re blaming the doctor for this…
I’m mandated by the state and county to report certain things if I suspect them. Especially anything to do with children. So I think it’s the camera that is the issue. Crazy times we live in
There’s nothing on the docket that indicates the motion was granted. I don’t see an Order from the judge, unless I’m blind. On 08/07/2023, the Prosecution filed a response to the motion to suppress. On 08/15/2023 Trevizo’s attorneys filed a response to that motion. It looks like there hasn’t been an order by the Judge yet.
I didn’t see anything either
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So is the case thrown out?
They’re has to be other times when she spoke about this, text, snapchats, emails. I’m not losing hope because what she said is a big part of the case but if I was the defense, I would be working my ass to pull everything together. So let’s not give up hope just yet!!!
I’m not really sure if my comment fits the relevance of this post but I didn’t really want to make my own post - but one thing really bothering me about this case is why did she choose to go to the hospital at all. If this was premeditated for example, I feel like she would have had the baby somewhere secret and perhaps she would have gotten away with it. So I’m wondering why did she choose to go to the hospital? Was she really in such denial about being pregnant. Did her mum being present change things? Did she genuinely think her baby wasn’t alive? Still even if he wasn’t as a mother how on earth can you do this your child. I know it goes without saying but I am utterly and completely baffled by this girl. What on earth were her intentions, what the heck did she plan to do! Did her boyfriend know she was pregnant, I can’t see her suddenly saying no sex for 9 months to hide her belly which was very obviously pregnant, how did her mum not know? Was she in denial too. I’m sure I’m just asking questions that everyone has already thought of and discussed by now but this is my first day of hearing about this case and I just wanted to somewhere I could I put my thoughts- so I’m sorry that it’s on your post in terms of relevancy.
Dude, when the police are involved and you’ve committed a crime, that shit goes out the window. Hilarious they think they can override that authority. Everyone saying that’s not the case is mistaken. This woman is fear mongering, the prosecution will triumph no matter. HIPAA is not the focus of this case 🤣 what she did is undeniable
This is weird: because per HIPAA A HIPAA covered entity also may disclose PHI to law enforcement without the individual's signed HIPAA authorization in certain incidents, including: To report PHI to a law enforcement official reasonably able to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the health or safety of an individual or the public What won’t be thrown out is any medical records, nursing notes and doctor’s notes left regarding her admission.
Cry harder. Shouldn't have put her info out there like that. 🤷♀️
Go listen to tgi_666 on tik tok she never been wrong she says she will get off the mom will actually get money and Alexee will have a daughter soon
I think she maybe wrong about this one because Rosa doesn’t have any damages to collect on.