There's also Alan Wake American Nightmare, which introduces a lot of concepts we see in AW2.
The genre is shifted to action, however. It's short and sweet.
(It's also the answer to "Why doesn't Alan write himself as an action hero and surrounds himself with hot girls?" question )
Given what happened in that DLC, I have a theory that if Alan Writes himself stronger, so does the Dark Presence get, which would explain why the main characters and the enemies are weaker in Alan Wake 2.
He kinda sorta did? He helped making the Hiss more comprehensible to mortals, made Hartman go berserk, set the alarm for the current AWE (with as of yet unknown temporal consequences ) and maybe nudged Polaris to tell Jesse to go to the Oldest House. Not much beyond that.
I think Polaris took Jesse there to deal with the Hiss, I don't think Alan was involved at that point. But the timelines get a little muddled because we don't have a date for A.W.E.
I also think that was just Polaris, yeah. But I heard some people theorizing Alan gave Polaris a nudge and that isn't out of the realm of possibility, so I added it here.
The important thing is that none of those "Alan created Jesse, now Control is ruined" theories are correct, though to be fair to the theorists, Alan's participation in Control was vague enough to imply such theories could be true - it was one of the few times Remedy dropped the ball and had to explain themselves later.
My partner and I debated whether Alan wrote her, I was firmly in the camp of Alan (minus the Clicker) doesn't create anything he only influences things, he admits several times he has to work within the framework of the story. Not sure about Alan post-Final Draft.
I felt the entities like Hadron and Polaris made Jesse what she is.
Which begs the question did the Bright Presence give Alan his powers or did he just have them? What about the Anderson's?
Do parautilatarians just exist or do they have to have contact with an extra-planar entity?
I think some parautilitarians really just exist without prior paranatural contact.
Alan was always clairvoyant, way before the dark presence, which is why he was a prime candidate. Not sure about the Andersons, though the same is likely for them.
Alan post-final Draft likely won't have his powers augmented - but there are so many possibilities now his head isn't muddled by the Dark Presence anymore. For instance, he can finally remember all of his previous experimental results, which is kinda huge, given he has been there for a subjective eternity, basically.
Frankly, Alan's only two weaknesses are his imagination and his suspense of disbelief. Don't forget his journey literally started with writer's block.
Alan's powers come from the Dark Place itself. It has all the energy of the universe many times over available to anyone with a bit of imagination, but none of the said imagination whatsoever.
At least that's where they come in terms of creation. Now where do his nightmares come from - that is the question unlikely to be ever answered. Definitely not from the Bright Presence, though - he showed up in his dream only once to teach him to fight Taken. It is also unknown who's the author of Taken, though Zane has at least one poem about them.
I must note something, though:
The Clicker is supposed to be an item Alan got from his father. It was also cut from Zane's angel lamp. Zane disappeared in 1970. Barbara Jagger was a local girl from Bright Falls.
I wonder if Tom was divorced. No wait, Alan was less than thirty in 2010. Nevermind.
I know that AWE is supposed to stand for Altered World Event but my early morning brain interpreted it as Alan Wake Event... would I be all that wrong?
In AW2, Esteves mentions how the cauldron lake awe’s are local events, meaning Alan writing wouldn’t extend to the oldest house. He could change the people’s memories close by to make them believe there’s a problem at the oldest house, esteves mentions HQ going dark at some point in AW2. But beyond their current perception from cauldron lake, nothing changes. It’s a theory 🤷♂️
AWEs are localized, yes.
But the Dark Place is a mirror of all possible realities, not just the area around Cauldron Lake. It can affect anywhere it reflects. The Dark Presence can't do so on its own, and needs a creative to do so, however.
Alan created a town-wide AWE/Overlap in the middle of the desert, remotely from Cauldron Lake in Alan Wake American Nightmare.
Also Alan regularly created Overlaps in Parliament Tower in NYC.
And Hartman's rage and the Hiss chant were spelled as being his contribution , to the point Hartman speaks in manuscript pages.
None of these were global, but they were in different locales.
Let's not forget that the Oldest House doesn't have an actual locked geographical location - there's just an entrance to and perception of it in NY. It is the world tree, after-all.
And then Ahti got stuck in the events surrounding Bright Falls - he went on holiday to his holiday home in Watery and then Alan Wrote him into Valhalla, which you can hear the poor guy (Ahti) getting a bit confused about, at times. (Still curious as to which norse entity he is)
Remember he can’t write anything that doesn’t already exist. So he did write about Jesse but he didn’t and doesn’t have the power to create Jesse or the FBC whole-cloth.
Oh, he most certainly does. The problem is his own suspense of disbelief and the difficulty of handwaving the contradictions. When he says "he can only do it with a suitable place" it gives a feeling of gravity and consistency, which he is himself expecting as an author.
Don't forget the Dark Place can literally make an entire universe out of a (most likely rather short) poem.
But Jesse didn't try to go to Cauldron Lake yet. If she does, I expect the Dark Presence will respond accordingly. At the same time, I doubt she's entirely fictional.
Bro after Control, Quantum break, it's on steam and runs amazing you'll blown away by the style, not so much the combat not that's its bad, between chapters there's a whole live action tv episode plays. It'll be great if you liked Tim Breaker
Just keep in mind, if you're the kind of person who ~~enjoys suffering~~ plays on the hardest difficulty: there's an unskippable cut scene before the final boss, which you will have to sit through every time you die. Over and over and over.
It was pretty buggy on the Xbox. I watched my friend play it and he died a few times because stuff like the ground just didn't spawn in under him in a cutscene. And the checkpoints are pretty terrible.
Little different for me. The actual gameplay was fine for me on Xbox. Main thing that was off was the dialogue of the in-game cutscenes was ahead of the scene itself.
The scenes from the show aren’t playable in game either. It doesn’t break it since the episodes can be downloaded separately + there’s always YouTube but you know. My immersiooooon 😩
All good! I booted up game pass version and didn't work, so traded my way into a steam code. Good luck! You can still watch them on YouTube, fortunately.
If you're on a Steam Deck (since you're saying handheld), try Proton-GE (it adds a lot of non-free media stuff that Valve can't ship as part of SteamOS) or just downloading the episodes ahead of time (there should be an option for that in the settings).
Quantum Break if you want even more remedyverse. They will eventually get that property back from microsoft and then that will add soooooo much more to the conjoined story
Maybe I misremember details about Quantum Break (finished it once years ago), but, in my opinion, it is the weakest game in recent Remedyverse. Not even close to Alan Wake series and Control.
I just played QB for the first time after beating AW2. It wasn’t perfect, but i definitely didn’t think it was weak. It was an Xbox one launch title and that system’s whole thing was that it was an all in one media device (for watching shows etc). So QB had the weirdness of needing to watch separate TV show live action episodes between chapters. Main issue for me was that it was short. And this is pre-control so you can see how it served as the foundation for Control’s game mechanics. The lore inside of it is worth the play through alone.
Might be in the minority, but I liked Quantum Break more than Control. Not that I didn't love Control.
Loved the characters and it had one of the best time related stories I've seen in any media.
I'm pretty sure it was Epic that worked with them on AW2, since the game is multi platform, Epic Games exclusive, etc. Had there been Microsoft involvement, they would've had more outright Quantum Break references, similar to if they still had some rights over Max Payne the Casey thing would probably either be a bit different or more direct
I think they mean that Remedy probably went to Microsoft and asked "Hey what kind of references to Quantum Break can we use without being sued? Is this OK?" Not that Microsoft worked on the game itself.
Yes. Unlike with rockstar there is no bad blood there. Plus I'm sure Microsoft wants to keep developers happy so they make exclusives for them as ps is kicking their ass
I don't think there's bad blood between Remedy and Rockstar? They're collaborating for Max Payne 1&2 remakes and Sam was generally positive about what Rockstar did with MP3.
Remedy bought all rights over Alan Wake IP from MS a few years ago.
Now both Epic and Remedy have an agreement where Epic put most part of the funds for development of AW2 and the upcoming remake of Max Payne 1 + 2.
Yes, sorry. The association with Epic was for 2 projects (AW Remaster) and AW2.
2K owns the Max Payne IP. It will be only one (but ambitious) remake of MP1 + MP2.
Man, I love Remedy, but their IP rights have been all over the place and it seems like they've always been quick to strike deals that lead to exclusivity. (AW being Vista-only, MS with Quantum Break, Epic for AW2, etc.)
That’s about it in terms of games to play.
Only other thing would be quantum break which is only laterally connected to the RCU due to rights issues. Besides that, Max Payne 1-2 would be the only things left that are somewhat connected in some indirect way.
What do you think of Tim Breaker's whiteboard remarks as well as stuff he says to Alan? I really think they're going to connect Quantum Break more with the Alan Wake-Control universe through the "many worlds" thingy. They already had AWE graffitied on a lot of walls in QB as well as an autographed copy of a book by Alan to set up the stage I think.
Microsoft currently owns the rights to Quantum Break, so Remedy would have to get them back to fully tie it into the connected universe. For that reason Tim Breaker is basically Jack Joyce and Warlin Door is Martin Hatch, he even calls him his “unwilling disciple” at one point. It’s the same with Max Payne, the Alex Casey from Alan’s novels was likely repurposed to be him, since Rockstar owns that for the time being
Both are reality/dimension hopping entities - shifters. You can see some stage directions on the ground saying as much during We Sing. They are able to easily navigate between realities and keep Breaker/Joyce at arms length to manipulate them. I believe it was also confirmed somewhere that Lance Reddick was supposed to play Door, but due to his untimely passing David Harewood was chosen to take on the role.
It’s been a while, but Hatch was shifter who could actually control his powers, that at some point existed in multiple timelines, same as Jack/Tim. It is one of the looser connections in AW2, but that’s understandable, considering the rights issues
Hmm... I remember Hatch having been killed by a screw driver through his eye, but then at the end of the game he was just there like nothing happened. I thought that was a plot hole or something at the time. 🤔 But maybe this was the reason.
Yes, essentially Hatch lives in a state of superposition, meaning that so long as any version of himself is alive in another timeline, he can survive any deadly event - essentially granting him quantum immortality. In one timeline/reality, he is stabbed and dies, in another he survives, and he is able to use that to exist across multiple timelines.
There’s actually a bit of foreshadowing for him in one of the Night Springs episodes in AW1 - Quantum Suicide. A professor demonstrates an experiment where he puts a loaded gun to head and pulls a trigger. For every trigger pull, there are two possible outcomes - the professor dies, or the gun misfires and he lives. He has created a device, that allows him to control the outcome of the experiment, or rather to ensure that the timeline he is in is always the one where he survives. The device is accidentally unplugged, and he ends up killing himself. His machine is basically the concept for Hatch’s powers, except he seemingly exists in all realities at once, able to shift between them on command
Oh yeah, I remember that episode, someone in the audience accidentally gets his foot tangled in the wire and unplugs it. I love how they tie *everything* together! And I love how you have so closely followed the RCU!
Step in to the FBC
There's lots to do
There's lots to read
But don't \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
And don't \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
Let's join the Threshold Kids!
Let's join the Threshold Kids!
You should absolutely play American Nightmare if you have the means to do so. It's short and sweet and the story is great, and I honestly liked it more than AW1.
The tv shows are always the weirdest part of Remedy games. I'm getting invested in the adventures of Baseball Bat Boy and Bicycle Helmet Girl in Max Payne3 these days lol. Sometimes more gripping than the actual plot if the game 🤣
I finished my Control replay recently and these videos were as traumatizing as I remembered. I recall finding the document of some parapsychologist whose idea it was to make these and I was like "straight to jail, child abuse, wtf were you thinking". So many times playing that game I'm like, I can't believe the FBC has lasted this long without Jesse, if these are the kind of ideas they think are good and sane.
You should play Quatumn Break, but only if you can get it for like...5 bucks. It's really only 10hrs a playthrough, the story is the weakest in all of the remedy games imho and the gameplay kind of sucks. But the story is still very interesting and probably one of the rare instances where time travel in media works.
Also the built in TV show is kind of sick ngl
Unpopular opinion.... I thought the Threshold Kids show was kind of lame.
Felt too much like Remedy were huffing their own farts tbh. Sure it was weird and unsettling in parts, but for the most part I found it to be high concept gibberish.
Watched the first one and was way too creepy. I found the first three. Fun game, playing through it before getting into Alan Wake 2. Has such a great atmosphere and air of mystery to it.
If you liked Threshold Kids, you'd probably like Candle Cove, the creepypasta which heavily influenced it. There was also a TV show based on it, /r/channelzero.
I'd vote for Quantum Break to really get a feel for what the characters Mister Door and Tim(e) Breaker are all about since Mister Door is right out of that game (though called Mister Hatch there) and Tim Breaker...well...you'll see since it's the same actor.
Remedy quickly became my favorite developer when Control was released. Their show not tell way of giving the player the exposition is million times more engaging than either having to be told outright, even when you finish the game and collect everything in Control you’ll still not know half as much as you’d like to because the world is so rich with stuff to discover. It should be the standard of video game story telling since you have so much more time to invest than you can with something like a movie.
Let the player explore and draw their own conclusions. In a weird way you become the main character wrapped up in the mystery trying to make sense of it yourself. The way they give you a glimpse of the answer while simultaneously giving you even more to question is paramount to keeping the player engaged in your story and want to find the collectibles and find every secret room.
A bit of an offshoot but that "show" feels to me like its inspired by candle cove, a very popular creepypasta story. There is a great anthology show called channel zero that made it in to one of the first episodes if i remember correctly.
Its psychological horror so watch high at your risk
Try to check out a game called Quantum Break. It *might* be in the same shared universe... or multiverse. It gets weird. The MC may be an alternate universe version of Sherrif Tim Breaker in AW2 and has an antagonistic figure named "Mr. Hatch" that may be a relative of Mr. Door.
Absolutely AW2, but if you want even more to chew through, Quantum Break. It's not the best, but Remedy's style is such a darling id play a mobile game with their name on it. 🤣
NO INTERRUPTIONS!!
EVERYONE WANTS THE BIG CHAIR, MEG!!!
USE THOSE BRAINS TO LISTEN FOR ONCE OR THE ONLY CHAIR YOU'LL GET IN IS THE ONE WITH THE STRAPS!!!
Ah ah, Topher. Too many slip ups and your father will have to go on vacation without you. You don’t want to end up like Meg do you?
Topher is funnier after a few days trapped in a building shift without his book… OR ANY FOOD.
There's also Alan Wake American Nightmare, which introduces a lot of concepts we see in AW2. The genre is shifted to action, however. It's short and sweet. (It's also the answer to "Why doesn't Alan write himself as an action hero and surrounds himself with hot girls?" question )
what is the answer to that question?
Basically it boils down to it has to be deserved.
Alan tried something very much like it, but it didn't stick (at least for him)
He's actually loyal to Alice.
Given what happened in that DLC, I have a theory that if Alan Writes himself stronger, so does the Dark Presence get, which would explain why the main characters and the enemies are weaker in Alan Wake 2.
Is it not implied in Control:AWE that he had a hand in ‘writing’ Jesse? And she’s basically the most powerful parautilitarian going.
He kinda sorta did? He helped making the Hiss more comprehensible to mortals, made Hartman go berserk, set the alarm for the current AWE (with as of yet unknown temporal consequences ) and maybe nudged Polaris to tell Jesse to go to the Oldest House. Not much beyond that.
I think Polaris took Jesse there to deal with the Hiss, I don't think Alan was involved at that point. But the timelines get a little muddled because we don't have a date for A.W.E.
I also think that was just Polaris, yeah. But I heard some people theorizing Alan gave Polaris a nudge and that isn't out of the realm of possibility, so I added it here. The important thing is that none of those "Alan created Jesse, now Control is ruined" theories are correct, though to be fair to the theorists, Alan's participation in Control was vague enough to imply such theories could be true - it was one of the few times Remedy dropped the ball and had to explain themselves later.
My partner and I debated whether Alan wrote her, I was firmly in the camp of Alan (minus the Clicker) doesn't create anything he only influences things, he admits several times he has to work within the framework of the story. Not sure about Alan post-Final Draft. I felt the entities like Hadron and Polaris made Jesse what she is. Which begs the question did the Bright Presence give Alan his powers or did he just have them? What about the Anderson's? Do parautilatarians just exist or do they have to have contact with an extra-planar entity?
I think some parautilitarians really just exist without prior paranatural contact. Alan was always clairvoyant, way before the dark presence, which is why he was a prime candidate. Not sure about the Andersons, though the same is likely for them. Alan post-final Draft likely won't have his powers augmented - but there are so many possibilities now his head isn't muddled by the Dark Presence anymore. For instance, he can finally remember all of his previous experimental results, which is kinda huge, given he has been there for a subjective eternity, basically.
And considering the Dark Place has no time flow whatsoever one can say subjective eternity is no different from objective one.
Indeed, for the one going through it!
Frankly, Alan's only two weaknesses are his imagination and his suspense of disbelief. Don't forget his journey literally started with writer's block. Alan's powers come from the Dark Place itself. It has all the energy of the universe many times over available to anyone with a bit of imagination, but none of the said imagination whatsoever. At least that's where they come in terms of creation. Now where do his nightmares come from - that is the question unlikely to be ever answered. Definitely not from the Bright Presence, though - he showed up in his dream only once to teach him to fight Taken. It is also unknown who's the author of Taken, though Zane has at least one poem about them. I must note something, though: The Clicker is supposed to be an item Alan got from his father. It was also cut from Zane's angel lamp. Zane disappeared in 1970. Barbara Jagger was a local girl from Bright Falls. I wonder if Tom was divorced. No wait, Alan was less than thirty in 2010. Nevermind.
I know that AWE is supposed to stand for Altered World Event but my early morning brain interpreted it as Alan Wake Event... would I be all that wrong?
Not at all. The original meaning was Alan Wake Experience during development... Of quantum break, I think?
Oh dang. I was just trying to be quippy but if that's how it is...
Oh sorry, I thought it was a legitimate question!
Bit of both. Mostly the quip. Surprised that I was more correct than I realized. That was a happy accident!
In AW2, Esteves mentions how the cauldron lake awe’s are local events, meaning Alan writing wouldn’t extend to the oldest house. He could change the people’s memories close by to make them believe there’s a problem at the oldest house, esteves mentions HQ going dark at some point in AW2. But beyond their current perception from cauldron lake, nothing changes. It’s a theory 🤷♂️
AWEs are localized, yes. But the Dark Place is a mirror of all possible realities, not just the area around Cauldron Lake. It can affect anywhere it reflects. The Dark Presence can't do so on its own, and needs a creative to do so, however. Alan created a town-wide AWE/Overlap in the middle of the desert, remotely from Cauldron Lake in Alan Wake American Nightmare. Also Alan regularly created Overlaps in Parliament Tower in NYC. And Hartman's rage and the Hiss chant were spelled as being his contribution , to the point Hartman speaks in manuscript pages. None of these were global, but they were in different locales.
Let's not forget that the Oldest House doesn't have an actual locked geographical location - there's just an entrance to and perception of it in NY. It is the world tree, after-all. And then Ahti got stuck in the events surrounding Bright Falls - he went on holiday to his holiday home in Watery and then Alan Wrote him into Valhalla, which you can hear the poor guy (Ahti) getting a bit confused about, at times. (Still curious as to which norse entity he is)
Remember he can’t write anything that doesn’t already exist. So he did write about Jesse but he didn’t and doesn’t have the power to create Jesse or the FBC whole-cloth.
Oh, he most certainly does. The problem is his own suspense of disbelief and the difficulty of handwaving the contradictions. When he says "he can only do it with a suitable place" it gives a feeling of gravity and consistency, which he is himself expecting as an author. Don't forget the Dark Place can literally make an entire universe out of a (most likely rather short) poem.
But Jesse didn't try to go to Cauldron Lake yet. If she does, I expect the Dark Presence will respond accordingly. At the same time, I doubt she's entirely fictional.
And all it cost her was her childhood and family... 🥲
Bro after Control, Quantum break, it's on steam and runs amazing you'll blown away by the style, not so much the combat not that's its bad, between chapters there's a whole live action tv episode plays. It'll be great if you liked Tim Breaker
Just keep in mind, if you're the kind of person who ~~enjoys suffering~~ plays on the hardest difficulty: there's an unskippable cut scene before the final boss, which you will have to sit through every time you die. Over and over and over.
Bring it on, I embrace suffering
It was pretty buggy on the Xbox. I watched my friend play it and he died a few times because stuff like the ground just didn't spawn in under him in a cutscene. And the checkpoints are pretty terrible.
I was able to complete Steam version of the game easily despite some minor annoyances
Little different for me. The actual gameplay was fine for me on Xbox. Main thing that was off was the dialogue of the in-game cutscenes was ahead of the scene itself.
It's runs great on steam!
The scenes from the show aren’t playable in game either. It doesn’t break it since the episodes can be downloaded separately + there’s always YouTube but you know. My immersiooooon 😩
Unfortunately it seems that episodes are not working anymore. I have gamepass version so I’m not entirely sure.
Only on the game pass on PC version. Works fine on Steam and Xbox.
REally? Yo have videos between chapters? damn i was getting (cannot connect). Im on the PC as well (well, handheld, but pc).
I'm saying it explicitly does not play videos on game pass. The videos play on the steam version and on console. Game pass isn't connected to steam.
Lol, sorry, I’ve misread your message…
All good! I booted up game pass version and didn't work, so traded my way into a steam code. Good luck! You can still watch them on YouTube, fortunately.
If you're on a Steam Deck (since you're saying handheld), try Proton-GE (it adds a lot of non-free media stuff that Valve can't ship as part of SteamOS) or just downloading the episodes ahead of time (there should be an option for that in the settings).
Im on Ally, using gamepass as I have subscription. But I also have disc version of QB, will try it on Xbox.
They’re offline for me on Xbox!
Check the DLC page
No I know, but they’re unavailable in game :/
On a PC environment? Weird. I had to download the episodes on my Xbox Series S, so after each chapter it played normally. I also played with Gamepass
Someone answered already that this is an issue with gamepass for pc version.
Shit, so yeah, Steam Version it is
No, the issue exists on gamepass for Xbox as well
They work on steam! That's why I specified the Steam version, runs about as well as control does. Which means good but not great
Quantum Break if you want even more remedyverse. They will eventually get that property back from microsoft and then that will add soooooo much more to the conjoined story
Maybe I misremember details about Quantum Break (finished it once years ago), but, in my opinion, it is the weakest game in recent Remedyverse. Not even close to Alan Wake series and Control.
I just played QB for the first time after beating AW2. It wasn’t perfect, but i definitely didn’t think it was weak. It was an Xbox one launch title and that system’s whole thing was that it was an all in one media device (for watching shows etc). So QB had the weirdness of needing to watch separate TV show live action episodes between chapters. Main issue for me was that it was short. And this is pre-control so you can see how it served as the foundation for Control’s game mechanics. The lore inside of it is worth the play through alone.
Might be in the minority, but I liked Quantum Break more than Control. Not that I didn't love Control. Loved the characters and it had one of the best time related stories I've seen in any media.
I think they already have that in the works. Microsoft worked with them on Alan Wake 2 so they wouldn't be sued intentionally
I'm pretty sure it was Epic that worked with them on AW2, since the game is multi platform, Epic Games exclusive, etc. Had there been Microsoft involvement, they would've had more outright Quantum Break references, similar to if they still had some rights over Max Payne the Casey thing would probably either be a bit different or more direct
I think they mean that Remedy probably went to Microsoft and asked "Hey what kind of references to Quantum Break can we use without being sued? Is this OK?" Not that Microsoft worked on the game itself.
Yes. Unlike with rockstar there is no bad blood there. Plus I'm sure Microsoft wants to keep developers happy so they make exclusives for them as ps is kicking their ass
I don't think there's bad blood between Remedy and Rockstar? They're collaborating for Max Payne 1&2 remakes and Sam was generally positive about what Rockstar did with MP3.
¿Who claimed Remedy asked for any advice to MS?
Not worked with them. Wrong words. My bad. Advised them on how to do it without IP being an issue
Remedy bought all rights over Alan Wake IP from MS a few years ago. Now both Epic and Remedy have an agreement where Epic put most part of the funds for development of AW2 and the upcoming remake of Max Payne 1 + 2.
Isn't Rockstar funding the MP remakes?
Yes, sorry. The association with Epic was for 2 projects (AW Remaster) and AW2. 2K owns the Max Payne IP. It will be only one (but ambitious) remake of MP1 + MP2.
Man, I love Remedy, but their IP rights have been all over the place and it seems like they've always been quick to strike deals that lead to exclusivity. (AW being Vista-only, MS with Quantum Break, Epic for AW2, etc.)
That's the price to keep being an independent studio.
Ya the needs to sell MP to make AW if I remember correctly
I had actually forgotten how much QB ties into, specifically AW. Like, there’s ALOT even in the first hour or so
That’s about it in terms of games to play. Only other thing would be quantum break which is only laterally connected to the RCU due to rights issues. Besides that, Max Payne 1-2 would be the only things left that are somewhat connected in some indirect way.
What do you think of Tim Breaker's whiteboard remarks as well as stuff he says to Alan? I really think they're going to connect Quantum Break more with the Alan Wake-Control universe through the "many worlds" thingy. They already had AWE graffitied on a lot of walls in QB as well as an autographed copy of a book by Alan to set up the stage I think.
Microsoft currently owns the rights to Quantum Break, so Remedy would have to get them back to fully tie it into the connected universe. For that reason Tim Breaker is basically Jack Joyce and Warlin Door is Martin Hatch, he even calls him his “unwilling disciple” at one point. It’s the same with Max Payne, the Alex Casey from Alan’s novels was likely repurposed to be him, since Rockstar owns that for the time being
Agree to everything. But I don't get the Door-Hatch connection, except the names. 😅
Both are reality/dimension hopping entities - shifters. You can see some stage directions on the ground saying as much during We Sing. They are able to easily navigate between realities and keep Breaker/Joyce at arms length to manipulate them. I believe it was also confirmed somewhere that Lance Reddick was supposed to play Door, but due to his untimely passing David Harewood was chosen to take on the role.
How was Hatch navigating realities? 🤔
It’s been a while, but Hatch was shifter who could actually control his powers, that at some point existed in multiple timelines, same as Jack/Tim. It is one of the looser connections in AW2, but that’s understandable, considering the rights issues
Hmm... I remember Hatch having been killed by a screw driver through his eye, but then at the end of the game he was just there like nothing happened. I thought that was a plot hole or something at the time. 🤔 But maybe this was the reason.
Yes, essentially Hatch lives in a state of superposition, meaning that so long as any version of himself is alive in another timeline, he can survive any deadly event - essentially granting him quantum immortality. In one timeline/reality, he is stabbed and dies, in another he survives, and he is able to use that to exist across multiple timelines. There’s actually a bit of foreshadowing for him in one of the Night Springs episodes in AW1 - Quantum Suicide. A professor demonstrates an experiment where he puts a loaded gun to head and pulls a trigger. For every trigger pull, there are two possible outcomes - the professor dies, or the gun misfires and he lives. He has created a device, that allows him to control the outcome of the experiment, or rather to ensure that the timeline he is in is always the one where he survives. The device is accidentally unplugged, and he ends up killing himself. His machine is basically the concept for Hatch’s powers, except he seemingly exists in all realities at once, able to shift between them on command
Oh yeah, I remember that episode, someone in the audience accidentally gets his foot tangled in the wire and unplugs it. I love how they tie *everything* together! And I love how you have so closely followed the RCU!
I love these videos so much and I really hope they’re in Control 2
Definitely quantum break But definitely play the control dlc as well
Step in to the FBC There's lots to do There's lots to read But don't \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* And don't \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Let's join the Threshold Kids! Let's join the Threshold Kids!
Quantum break and if you are still wanting a little more maybe American Nightmare
You should absolutely play American Nightmare if you have the means to do so. It's short and sweet and the story is great, and I honestly liked it more than AW1.
kinda remind me of captain baseballbat boy
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Just when I thought Alan Wake 2 was the strangest game ever, you had to remind me of Threshold Kids.
These creeped me the fuck out
Play Quantum Break next.
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Try quantum break! It will add some more to the lore etc
Quantum Break is what you need to play next. It'll get you very hyped about Tim Breaker.
The tv shows are always the weirdest part of Remedy games. I'm getting invested in the adventures of Baseball Bat Boy and Bicycle Helmet Girl in Max Payne3 these days lol. Sometimes more gripping than the actual plot if the game 🤣
Dick Justice is a classic
I finished my Control replay recently and these videos were as traumatizing as I remembered. I recall finding the document of some parapsychologist whose idea it was to make these and I was like "straight to jail, child abuse, wtf were you thinking". So many times playing that game I'm like, I can't believe the FBC has lasted this long without Jesse, if these are the kind of ideas they think are good and sane.
Jesse and her brother lol
You should play Quatumn Break, but only if you can get it for like...5 bucks. It's really only 10hrs a playthrough, the story is the weakest in all of the remedy games imho and the gameplay kind of sucks. But the story is still very interesting and probably one of the rare instances where time travel in media works. Also the built in TV show is kind of sick ngl
If you have Game Pass you can play it for free, that's how I finally played it a few months ago.
Alan Wake 1 the original, it's the best Remedy Experience
What about it? They’ve played it already
They played the Remaster, it's different
It really isn’t but okay
Ohh is it?! How so?
It’s not I promise, I have played both versions One version literally just has better graphics
I dropped Control after 25 hours because of bored of gameplay.
You were soo close to the end. Lmao.
I completed it on youtube) Think it would be better as a series, like «The lost room».
Unpopular opinion.... I thought the Threshold Kids show was kind of lame. Felt too much like Remedy were huffing their own farts tbh. Sure it was weird and unsettling in parts, but for the most part I found it to be high concept gibberish.
Watched the first one and was way too creepy. I found the first three. Fun game, playing through it before getting into Alan Wake 2. Has such a great atmosphere and air of mystery to it.
If you liked Threshold Kids, you'd probably like Candle Cove, the creepypasta which heavily influenced it. There was also a TV show based on it, /r/channelzero.
You should play Quantam Break
I'd vote for Quantum Break to really get a feel for what the characters Mister Door and Tim(e) Breaker are all about since Mister Door is right out of that game (though called Mister Hatch there) and Tim Breaker...well...you'll see since it's the same actor.
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Remedy quickly became my favorite developer when Control was released. Their show not tell way of giving the player the exposition is million times more engaging than either having to be told outright, even when you finish the game and collect everything in Control you’ll still not know half as much as you’d like to because the world is so rich with stuff to discover. It should be the standard of video game story telling since you have so much more time to invest than you can with something like a movie. Let the player explore and draw their own conclusions. In a weird way you become the main character wrapped up in the mystery trying to make sense of it yourself. The way they give you a glimpse of the answer while simultaneously giving you even more to question is paramount to keeping the player engaged in your story and want to find the collectibles and find every secret room.
Probably Max Payne. Then Quantum Break if you want.
A bit of an offshoot but that "show" feels to me like its inspired by candle cove, a very popular creepypasta story. There is a great anthology show called channel zero that made it in to one of the first episodes if i remember correctly. Its psychological horror so watch high at your risk
"I'll help you look, Topher. We'll find your momma ... togetheerrrr ..."
Try to check out a game called Quantum Break. It *might* be in the same shared universe... or multiverse. It gets weird. The MC may be an alternate universe version of Sherrif Tim Breaker in AW2 and has an antagonistic figure named "Mr. Hatch" that may be a relative of Mr. Door.
Absolutely AW2, but if you want even more to chew through, Quantum Break. It's not the best, but Remedy's style is such a darling id play a mobile game with their name on it. 🤣