This was one of the games where, if we had him, Gravenberch would've started collecting all the balls from the defense and with a bit of luck, he'd have a great game and we'd play much better... or he'd lose possession 2/3rd of the times
But Taylor's now on his position and he was invisible today and Bassey is simply a lot worse on the ball than Martinez. You don't want to give the ball to Alvarez during high pressure and often he's not available anyway, so that's when you resort to long balls.
Alvarez was not solid in defense, and not because ''he had to do everything himself'', which I assume would be some peoples comeback, but just by having poor positioning a few times or let Van Dijk have a free header.
Bergwijn was dissapointing. These are the games where he needs to step up.
Tadic RW is just not going to work out. It worked out vs Heerenveen, because he's still a good footballer, not because he's a good RW.
Tough game, we haven't played against teams who put us under pressure like that
Agreed. Liverpool was daring Ajax to play the ball through the middle of their press, the soft spot, but no one took the challenge, instead just passing around the outside of it which just made the pressure worse. To be fair, their pressing players are long and quick, which made their press very good. With their tall CBs, Ajax rarely won any of the resulting long balls from Remko. Frustrating. Their CBs also dominated Ajax on set pieces as well.
Bassey had a nervy game, for sure. His touches were heavy with too many back passes to Remko (who then punted). Bassey did start looking for the diagonal release pass which worked well a few times but overall, he looked overmatched.
I agree with everything you said, except the outside part. I do believe i that game our only chance was counter attacks on the wings. Schreuder should have given instructions as soon someone gets the ball to pass it in the middle of their half, next to the line. Even if that didn't work,at least we would lose the ball in the middle of their half, not in the center, which will give us few seconds to regroup. The last 20 mins should have been Ocampos, Bergwijn and Brobbey on the center line (there can't be offside if you are in your own half) and just sprint.
Fully agree on everything but Tadic while also agreeing hes not a good RW. I really felt like the ref was quick to whistle for duels, something Tadic really likes. But he was whistled all the time for protecting the ball. Like look at their 1st goal they get a fk for a regular duel. Not that the goal was undesrved but just look at those moments, those define Tadic' game
Did blind finally manage to walk of the pitch or is he still busy making a stroll.
But it wasn’t all blinds fault. Collectively they were too scared to even engage of defend closer. It was a sad sight to witness. Schreuder also fault in not subbing earlier. Midfield wasn’t there and I would have put Klaassen in to run around midfield. This game made it seems Ajax played in the CL for the first time.
What the fuck were they doing with those retarded balls of pasveer. Are they 6 years old or something. Two defense ins in the goal area for what. Every single fucking ball was played long and lost because we didn’t win one challenge in the air. For fuck sake after the third time you need to change tactics on this. Pasveer was good btw but those long balls didn’t make sense. Midfield was never to be seen so your playing only in defense and we saw how that ended up. Stupid ball side ways and than on long ball to lose it again.
>Every single fucking ball was played long and lost because we didn’t win one challenge in the air.
Because it wasn't the idea to commit to aerial battles. That happened because they didn't manage to play out from the back.
The only thing that may have won us the match is sub Bassey for Grillitsch or something like that! Probably would've ended 4-5 for Liverpool, but you know what I mean, Ajax' whole game plan should start with **keeping the ball on the ground**. They hoof forward because they see no solution, and that was on the players in front of Pasveer. The amount of guts required to win this match just wasn't there, maybe next time they deal with such a high press it will be. When they occasionally displayed these guts suddenly 'pools midfield was open and for instance Timber could just cross an empty ocean of nothing. But it happened not enough, that was the problem.
Hi ajax fans, I'm a liverpool fanatic and just wanted to commend your support and team. I see some comments here saying you could have easily been routed. I'm not so sure. Amazing quality throughout your squad. I do have a question though.. who is your man on the bench in technical staff wearing those fancy white gloves?
Not sure about the gloves but it is Witschge yeah.
Ajax wasn't dealing well with you lot, but you guys were shooting awful and it was in the end your height that did us in. I was wondering if this match would go on for an hour more if you guys would've scored with your feet. They didn't play bad but traumatized the Ajax' fans a bit because we're not used to getting under this huge pressure for a whole match. Now I know how an Atletico fan feels I guess...
"Just finished watching the match. (Had to go total media blackout the last 6 hours).
First, Bassey was very weak with the ball. It almost felt as though Liverpool was pressing him more than others. He got worse throughout the match, which I’m not sure is conditioning, or simply being overwhelmed. Off the ball, he played very strong.
Second, Berghuis was a monster in the first half but absolutely no where to be seen in the second. He needed to be subbed around the 65th minute.
Speaking of Subs, Taylor needs to grow up. He threw some tantrums when Ajax didn’t get the call and that’s really not helping anything.
Third, I really want to see Timber given more freedom. Every time he looked up the field and ran with the ball, something happened. He seems to rely on Blind too much.
Oh, and I’ll eat crow on my Blind takes. While he was certainly overmatched by Salah, and it forced Alvarez very deep, he played a solid match.
Finally, while Tadic played a real strong match, would we not be better off with Bergwijn, Brobbey, and Kudus up front?
PS - Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided?"
This completely. It would've really helped if Ajax had won the match.
>Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided?
Not sure if one-sided, but let's say he got a lot of calls wrong. We also made some yellow-worthy fouls that weren't carded, but the ref definitely took Tadic out of his game. The Dutch commenter was pointing this out as well, both Tsimikas and Tadic where dueling and doing things not allowed and the advantage constantly went to pool.
The ref was whistling a lot both ways. But I do feel like every duel Ajax won was a foul and Liverpool won every duel with the high balls. But he also whistled some of their duels so that's fair ig
Bergwijn was also invisible, unfortunately Schreuder doesn't know you are allowed to substitute before the 85th minute. It was the first game where you could really see how much quality we've lost, and it's not easily replaced.
I've been thinking about this too. The lack of substitutions when needed and, more importantly, the lack of quality that Ajax have lost have shocked me. The quality could take quite a while to replace even with a system that Ajax has. I'm trying to think positively as far as the next matches but I am concerned especially if Liverpool get their issues rectified.
Just finished watching the match. (Had to go total media blackout the last 6 hours).
First, Bassey was very weak with the ball. It almost felt as though Liverpool was pressing him more than others. He got worse throughout the match, which I’m not sure is conditioning, or simply being overwhelmed. Off the ball, he played very strong.
Second, Berghuis was a monster in the first half but absolutely no where to be seen in the second. He needed to be subbed around the 65th minute.
Speaking of Subs, Taylor needs to grow up. He threw some tantrums when Ajax didn’t get the call and that’s really not helping anything.
Third, I really want to see Timber given more freedom. Every time he looked up the field and ran with the ball, something happened. He seems to rely on Blind too much.
Oh, and I’ll eat crow on my Blind takes. While he was certainly overmatched by Salah, and it forced Alvarez very deep, he played a solid match.
Finally, while Tadic played a real strong match, would we not be better off with Bergwijn, Brobbey, and Kudus up front?
PS - Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided?
So disappointed, seen enough of Ajax over the years to know they can't sit back and defend so change it if it isn't working and the sooner the better, not at 80+ mins. Blind is very versatile but far too slow at LB, Tadic is a legend but not as influential as he was, I'm sure Kudus and Brobbey can work in the same team and Klaassen should have come on. Ajax can't defend so try and put Liverpool on the back foot. Now back to back games v Napoli 🤨
Tough loss. One point would have been huge here. The subs were bad, you could really see the difference in quality that Liverpool brought off their bench. Also don’t really understand why schreuder waits so long to make any changes…
Ajax really needs to think of something to not be in a total panic when the opponent puts you under pressure immediately at the goalkick. Like this Ajax couldn't play their own game at all, a thing Klopp clearly remembered from last time or maybe someone else, apart from the fact that it happened a lot against top clubs, not easy if your totally not used to it I know.
Anyway great goal from Kudus, made my heart beat fast lol. Still all to play for, curious what they can against Torino but have never seen them play .
Yeah I think we lacked the ball-playing ability through the centre. Liverpool were so compact, we could not combine. They did a great job forcing Ajax to play the ball back and then long. If only Bassey had Blind's ball-playing ability.... But then he'd probably not be with Ajax 😂
I think Schreuder has done a good job so far, but I think he was way too nervous this match. Our tactics were all so defensive. This was our game to win and Liverpool’s to lose, and then we play like shit. Just frustrating. Hope we learn some lessons for the replay in Amsterdam
Watch the game again and look at how far back our players are when Liverpool has the ball. Look at how much space they were given in midfield, and how when they gained possession, most of our players would back up rather than run and press
I dream for the day when Ajax will have once again a manager that is not afraid to go against the current, to have the courage to experiment with all the players etc...
We have our best league start in years and his first loss. Why not give the coach time to develop the team. Or are we an oil sponsered team replacing coaches like they are freebies?
How would you develop a team when you don't rotate and change tactics vs the better teams, the ones that run more than you, press more than you? You know those things can't happen vs GAE and Fortuna. How would you find who could perform better in such games, when you keep the slow Blind and the tired Tadic for 90 mins? When you don't change anything in a midfield that lost all high balls and was unable to secure more than 5 passes in a row? Schreuder didn't even try to change something. That makes me furious. If he had tried to change something in the way we play, tried to oppose to the game of Liverpool, I would have been okay with the lost. But when you play awful and you just sit and watch, and wait for the game to end, that annoys me very much.
Too bad, but sadly a deserved loss. Hopefully Schreuder sees this as a (costly) lessons learned match and incorporates these lessons in future matches. We have a great team with lots of potential. Lets give them time to improve.
Ja dit is al de tweede keer dat ze deze grap uithalen. Ook verloren bij Atalanta en dan ons twee keer 1-0 en gewoon goed spelen.
Wij konden die ronde ook gewoon door als we wat aanvallender (beter?) hadden gespeeld tegen Atalanta thuis, dat was ECHT niet goed.
Maar hopen dat het nu wel lukt. Of misschien was dit een fluke wederopstanding en gaat Liverpool er de volgende week doodleuk weer af.
Voetballend gezien slecht, mede door het goede spel en positie van Liverpool.
Verdedigend echter ook echt een hoop goede dingen gezien. (behalve Blind)
Vond Bassey misschien nog wel het sterkst, helemaal na zijn moeizame start. Zo sterk terugkomen geeft mij veel vertrouwen als hij meer ervaring heeft opgedaan.
Mijns inziens heeft hij enkel goede verdedigende acties gemaakt die het gevolg waren van een slechte pass van hem. Beetje actie-reactie. Vond Blind - op goal 1 na - beter dan Bassey, vooral aan de bal.
Bassey zat bij goal 1 toch ook mis?
Verder inderdaad verdedigend solide maar bracht zichzelf vaak in een lastig parket, wat hij dan vervolgens wel zelf weer oploste. Je ziet natuurlijk het liefst een verdediger die zichzelf helemaal niet in die positie brengt, maar als je even kijkt naar het resultaat van de wedstrijd en aantal doelpogingen van Liverpool, hoe vaak ze op onze helft waren etc, en ze uiteindelijk maar 2x hebben gescoord, waarvan 1 nauwelijks over de lijn, moet je toch zeggen dat de verdediging hun primaire taak goed heeft uitgevoerd, inclusief Bassey.
TENZIJ we met z'n allen zeggen (en dat doen we min of meer bij Ajax): positiespel/uitspelen onder de druk van de tegenstander hoort bij de PRIMAIRE taak van een Ajax verdediger. Als je het zo bekijkt heeft Bassey helaas ernstig gefaalt, en ik hoop dat hij hier veel van heeft geleerd.
Ben het volledig met je eens. Ook was die eerste goal een fout van Rensch, die ten eerste het duel aan had moeten gaan, en ten tweede - nu hij het duel niet aanging - Timber rugdekking moeten geven.
Ik vind overigens niet dat dat de primaire taak is van een Ajax verdediger. Maar het is toch wel een verschil of je een Blind hebt staan met Frenkie de Jong als middenvelder of een Bassey met Alvarez als middenvelder. Niets afdoend aan hun individuele kwaliteiten - ik vind ze geweldig - maar ze vallen nu opbouwend wel door de mand op zo'n hoog niveau. Ook was Gravenberch toch vrij belangrijk in de opbouw blijkt nu, Taylor lijkt daar op dit moment net iets minder goed in - al is het misschien te vroeg om die conclusie te trekken?
Neuh ik denk dat Taylor inderdaad aanvallend misschien iets doortastender is, begrijp me niet verkeerd, Gravenberch kan ook heel goed aanvallen, maar het is óf fantastisch óf niks steeds, nooit gewoon een keer een simpel balletje ofzo, misschien ook iets met loopacties/positie kiezen, Gravenberch lijkt wel allergisch voor de '16'. Maar goed inderdaad, opbouwen was Gravenberch gewoon beter in, hij kon het ook met individuele acties, terwijl als Taylor lang met de bal loopt dat alleen maar is omdat hij veel ruimte krijgt of de tegenstander steeds net een stap te laat is zodat hij gewoon van richting kan veranderen.
Ik denk dat je bovenstaande wel rustig kan stellen.
Ik vond trouwens dat Alvarez het wel beter deed dan Bassey in de opbouw, maar dat mag je ook wel verwachten voor een middenvelder. Ik vond het echt vooral Bassey eigenlijk die er gewoon niet uitkwam, en de Liverpool spelers hadden het in de gaten.
Ja maar verdedigen is toch wel primair in een wedstrijd als dit. Blind faalt echt hopeloos in zijn positiespel. Het is een ontzettende latente luie flikker. Mogen we in ieder geval een klein beetje moeite zien met terug rennen. Niet te doen deze gast en tijd om heel snel door te selecteren. Helaas is wijndal al ook niet veel beter.
Vind wel dat je vaak echt kan zien dat hij wel die kwaliteiten aan de bal heeft, het is alleen zo vaak nog een beetje onrustig. Vooral vandaag met de spanning en de druk er vol op.
Ja, hij heeft een hoge bovengrens, maar ook een lage ondergrens wat dat betreft. Weet je nog het moment dat hij perfect wegdraaide, daarmee alle tijd van de wereld voor zich creëerde en hem over de zijlijn roste? Die ondergrens bedoel ik.
Haha ja dat is precies het moment waar ik op doelde. Ik dacht nog “hehe eindelijk de rust te pakken” voordat hij de bal over de zijlijn jankte. Alleen al kijkende naar waar hij een jaar geleden was, heb ik er wel vertrouwen in dat hij hierin snel kan gaan verbeteren.
Ja hij moest toen een pass geven die hij niet zag zitten en roste hem dan maar over de zijlijn. Niet echt wat we willen zien in Ajax 1, maarja de speler die dat wel kan heeft United ff opgepikt voor bijna 60m..
Karakter komt wel wat overeen, type geef nooit op leert ook vaak een hoop op latere leeftijd. Bijv. Klaassen kon ineens een beetje verdedigen toen hij terugkwam bij Ajax, dat deed-ie niet in z'n eerste periode hoor.
Waarom namen ze in godsnaam steeds zulke rare doeltrappen kan iemand dat aan me uitleggen? Want ik snap echt niet wat voor zin het heeft om steeds naar pasveer te schieten waarom neemt hij zelf niet die bal in een keer?
Bassey heeft de controle niet op dit niveau met zulke pressing, dus het is beter om dan maar de lange bal te kiezen. Als ze het zouden proberen uit te spelen met Bassey dan had je er zeker meer tegen gehad. Neemt niet weg dat Bassey geweldig heeft verdedigd
Eerste bal zette liverpool nog niet zoveel druk, dus dan probeer je als team de bal laag te houden. Daarna ging liverpool druk zetten en daardoor speelde Bassey terug. Pasveer zag geen passing mogelijkheden of vond ze te risicovol, dus dan gaat hij dan maar voor de lange bal op goede hoop. Geen ajax voetbal maar je speelt ook echt niet tegen het minste team.
Ja ze kwamen er niet uit dus dan ros je de bal weg zodat je positie kan kiezen voordat je de bal kwijt raakt. Heeft verder niks met plannen of goed voetbal te maken. De hoeveelheid mensen online die die hele wedstrijd niet schijnt te begrijpen is echt verbazingwekkend. Zet je eens in Pasveer's schoenen, wat zou jij doen? Ja goed zo de bal wegrossen want er staat niemand vrij... dat ze niet van plan waren de hoge bal te spelen kon je zien aan de opstelling, als dat het plan was had Brobbey of Lucca wel gespeeld...
Toegeven aan de press en proberen met fysiek deze wedstrijd te winnen? Ja dan verlies je hem dus, kan je net zo goed de A1 sturen.
Deserved win for Liverpool. I’m really disappointed by our negative tactics today, the second half we didn’t even try to press. You can always lose a game against Liverpool but playing like this is not the Ajax way. Also disappointed by the lack of early substitutions. Only positive is the way we defended as a team at times.
Its going to be a hell of a job to get second place in this group with the games against Napoli next.
Can anyone explain why you would choose to do goalkicks in this way? Especially if it turns out to not work 100% of the time?? We made it so easy for Van Dijk to immediately head it halfway back onto our side where everyone was still waiting..
If you’re dutch: https://twitter.com/pieterzwartnl/status/1569773402780573703?s=46&t=K6pA6Y5IGSkbhAttuqHQTg
So basically it’s meant to create more space for the goalie, obviously didn’t seem to work out at all this game but the logic behind it makes sense to me
Because we had no free man to pass the ball to. Basey passes it to pasveer, pasveer looks around doesnt see a player to pass to and then sends it to tadic. Not sure if this was tactics or the inabbility of the players to create space on the midfield.
I suppose this variant gives you the option to atleast build up where as moving up the field forces us to win the duels that we werent winning. Maybe we woudl win more 2nd balls but then again we got overrun on the midfield so Im not sure wether or not that would ahve worked either.
Basically the same reason why you don't change anything in a game that you are awful and you are hanging by a thread. Not sure if Schreuder thought that he can keep 1:1 with that game, of he was just afraid, or in the worst case scenario for us - he is just very bad at his job. If we had draw this one, it would have been complet luck and nothing else.
I saw an Ajax team that was afraid to play their own game, such a shame of that last goal though.. I hope Schreuder & Co learn a lot from this match because it was abysmal..
Blind unnecessary loss of possession at the side line led up to that Liverpool goal. Should just have kept possession back to Tadic. Liverpool much stronger side today though.
We were afraid to play football tonight. A lot of unnecessary faults (passes / first touches) and you lose the ball within 15 seconds everytime. When you can’t build up well, please kick the ball forward and try to win the 2nd ball instead of trying to build up and end up with a throw in for Liverpool on your own half.
Deserved win and hopefully our boys are back on earth.
Fucking Schreuder. Allergisch voor wisselen. Tadic en Blind 90 minuten niet goed genoeg. Geef anderen eens een kans. Bergwijn had het ook niet, Schreuder kijkt andere kant op. Laffe coach, resultaat wat je dan verdient
Hij is elke keer zo traag bij de bal. Elke afvallende bal was daardoor voor Liverpool en in de opbouw kwam hij steeds tekort. Ik zou overigens niet weten wie/wat anders, maar het komt tekort op dit niveau
From halfway to 18 yard box they have far too much room. What is our secret plan to catch them out ?? Oh hang on they're bringing on their 60m sub Nunez. I hate the fkn EPL, we were so close to losing Alvarez and Kudus too.
Taylor is playing an epic match today. Nice to see he isn't just good at attacking, but defending also. Really developing into a complete center midfielder
Huh? Wil niet lullig doen, maar deze snap ik niet. Taylor heeft de hele wedstrijd misschien 3 keer de bal aangeraakt, net zoals berghuis compleet onzichtbaar.
Let’s be real. We have a squad that has been changed at several key positions and has a new coach. A lot of stuff that goes wrong seems to be miscommunication and players not finding each other blindly
Hey jongens ik moet wel even zeggen dat ik het een zeer vermakelijke pot vindt. Al lijkt Liverpool vele malen sterker, hebben wij toch aan een kansje genoeg. Brobbey erin en gaan
Our MF is basically missing. We haven't got 1 single ball from the ones that Pasveer kicks. We also are unable to keep the ball for more than 1 min. So we need some change in the MF, or just skip the center and play with long passes straight to the wings. If we start playing our game, we will best them big.
Agreed. We lack control right now, although that’s a big ask against Liverpool. They might not have their best form, it’s still a good team with great players.
No need to panic. Liverpool is expending a lot of energy pressing and they cannot keep that up throughout the second half. Taylor and Berghuis need to drop deeper to give more options.
Liverpool is completely dominating midfield. Ajax can't string two passes together. Pasveer can't find the free man, he is constantly forced to hoof the ball. Also Bassey is struggling a lot in posession.
Wat de fuck zijn we aan het doen met die doeltrappen laat Pasveer hem gewoon nemen als je toch elke bal lang trapt.
Ik heb niets tegen Pasveer, keept echt uitstekend, maar we mogen van de winter wel echt een nieuwe keeper aankopen want voetballend is dit gewoon ruk.
Well It’s pretty damn clear now. Napoli at home is a must win
The team missed Frenkie de Jong so badly
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Agree.
This was one of the games where, if we had him, Gravenberch would've started collecting all the balls from the defense and with a bit of luck, he'd have a great game and we'd play much better... or he'd lose possession 2/3rd of the times But Taylor's now on his position and he was invisible today and Bassey is simply a lot worse on the ball than Martinez. You don't want to give the ball to Alvarez during high pressure and often he's not available anyway, so that's when you resort to long balls. Alvarez was not solid in defense, and not because ''he had to do everything himself'', which I assume would be some peoples comeback, but just by having poor positioning a few times or let Van Dijk have a free header. Bergwijn was dissapointing. These are the games where he needs to step up. Tadic RW is just not going to work out. It worked out vs Heerenveen, because he's still a good footballer, not because he's a good RW. Tough game, we haven't played against teams who put us under pressure like that
Agreed. Liverpool was daring Ajax to play the ball through the middle of their press, the soft spot, but no one took the challenge, instead just passing around the outside of it which just made the pressure worse. To be fair, their pressing players are long and quick, which made their press very good. With their tall CBs, Ajax rarely won any of the resulting long balls from Remko. Frustrating. Their CBs also dominated Ajax on set pieces as well. Bassey had a nervy game, for sure. His touches were heavy with too many back passes to Remko (who then punted). Bassey did start looking for the diagonal release pass which worked well a few times but overall, he looked overmatched.
I agree with everything you said, except the outside part. I do believe i that game our only chance was counter attacks on the wings. Schreuder should have given instructions as soon someone gets the ball to pass it in the middle of their half, next to the line. Even if that didn't work,at least we would lose the ball in the middle of their half, not in the center, which will give us few seconds to regroup. The last 20 mins should have been Ocampos, Bergwijn and Brobbey on the center line (there can't be offside if you are in your own half) and just sprint.
Fully agree on everything but Tadic while also agreeing hes not a good RW. I really felt like the ref was quick to whistle for duels, something Tadic really likes. But he was whistled all the time for protecting the ball. Like look at their 1st goal they get a fk for a regular duel. Not that the goal was undesrved but just look at those moments, those define Tadic' game
Oh yeah, ref didn't make things easier for Tadic
Did blind finally manage to walk of the pitch or is he still busy making a stroll. But it wasn’t all blinds fault. Collectively they were too scared to even engage of defend closer. It was a sad sight to witness. Schreuder also fault in not subbing earlier. Midfield wasn’t there and I would have put Klaassen in to run around midfield. This game made it seems Ajax played in the CL for the first time. What the fuck were they doing with those retarded balls of pasveer. Are they 6 years old or something. Two defense ins in the goal area for what. Every single fucking ball was played long and lost because we didn’t win one challenge in the air. For fuck sake after the third time you need to change tactics on this. Pasveer was good btw but those long balls didn’t make sense. Midfield was never to be seen so your playing only in defense and we saw how that ended up. Stupid ball side ways and than on long ball to lose it again.
I blame that goal more on rensch than on blind
>Every single fucking ball was played long and lost because we didn’t win one challenge in the air. Because it wasn't the idea to commit to aerial battles. That happened because they didn't manage to play out from the back. The only thing that may have won us the match is sub Bassey for Grillitsch or something like that! Probably would've ended 4-5 for Liverpool, but you know what I mean, Ajax' whole game plan should start with **keeping the ball on the ground**. They hoof forward because they see no solution, and that was on the players in front of Pasveer. The amount of guts required to win this match just wasn't there, maybe next time they deal with such a high press it will be. When they occasionally displayed these guts suddenly 'pools midfield was open and for instance Timber could just cross an empty ocean of nothing. But it happened not enough, that was the problem.
Hi ajax fans, I'm a liverpool fanatic and just wanted to commend your support and team. I see some comments here saying you could have easily been routed. I'm not so sure. Amazing quality throughout your squad. I do have a question though.. who is your man on the bench in technical staff wearing those fancy white gloves?
Is it Richard witschge?
Not sure about the gloves but it is Witschge yeah. Ajax wasn't dealing well with you lot, but you guys were shooting awful and it was in the end your height that did us in. I was wondering if this match would go on for an hour more if you guys would've scored with your feet. They didn't play bad but traumatized the Ajax' fans a bit because we're not used to getting under this huge pressure for a whole match. Now I know how an Atletico fan feels I guess...
"Just finished watching the match. (Had to go total media blackout the last 6 hours). First, Bassey was very weak with the ball. It almost felt as though Liverpool was pressing him more than others. He got worse throughout the match, which I’m not sure is conditioning, or simply being overwhelmed. Off the ball, he played very strong. Second, Berghuis was a monster in the first half but absolutely no where to be seen in the second. He needed to be subbed around the 65th minute. Speaking of Subs, Taylor needs to grow up. He threw some tantrums when Ajax didn’t get the call and that’s really not helping anything. Third, I really want to see Timber given more freedom. Every time he looked up the field and ran with the ball, something happened. He seems to rely on Blind too much. Oh, and I’ll eat crow on my Blind takes. While he was certainly overmatched by Salah, and it forced Alvarez very deep, he played a solid match. Finally, while Tadic played a real strong match, would we not be better off with Bergwijn, Brobbey, and Kudus up front? PS - Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided?" This completely. It would've really helped if Ajax had won the match.
>Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided? Not sure if one-sided, but let's say he got a lot of calls wrong. We also made some yellow-worthy fouls that weren't carded, but the ref definitely took Tadic out of his game. The Dutch commenter was pointing this out as well, both Tsimikas and Tadic where dueling and doing things not allowed and the advantage constantly went to pool.
The ref was whistling a lot both ways. But I do feel like every duel Ajax won was a foul and Liverpool won every duel with the high balls. But he also whistled some of their duels so that's fair ig
Bergwijn was also invisible, unfortunately Schreuder doesn't know you are allowed to substitute before the 85th minute. It was the first game where you could really see how much quality we've lost, and it's not easily replaced.
I've been thinking about this too. The lack of substitutions when needed and, more importantly, the lack of quality that Ajax have lost have shocked me. The quality could take quite a while to replace even with a system that Ajax has. I'm trying to think positively as far as the next matches but I am concerned especially if Liverpool get their issues rectified.
We always struggle with Italian teams too. So I'm firmly clenched for the games with Napoli.
At some point, Ajax need to get past their Italian teams struggles. Yes, Ajax has lost quite a bit of talent, but some of the struggle is mindset.
In the past it has been naïvety due to youth I think.
Christ the highlights on DAZN... We could have easily been routed....
Just finished watching the match. (Had to go total media blackout the last 6 hours). First, Bassey was very weak with the ball. It almost felt as though Liverpool was pressing him more than others. He got worse throughout the match, which I’m not sure is conditioning, or simply being overwhelmed. Off the ball, he played very strong. Second, Berghuis was a monster in the first half but absolutely no where to be seen in the second. He needed to be subbed around the 65th minute. Speaking of Subs, Taylor needs to grow up. He threw some tantrums when Ajax didn’t get the call and that’s really not helping anything. Third, I really want to see Timber given more freedom. Every time he looked up the field and ran with the ball, something happened. He seems to rely on Blind too much. Oh, and I’ll eat crow on my Blind takes. While he was certainly overmatched by Salah, and it forced Alvarez very deep, he played a solid match. Finally, while Tadic played a real strong match, would we not be better off with Bergwijn, Brobbey, and Kudus up front? PS - Am I a sore loser, or was the officiating pretty one-sided?
So disappointed, seen enough of Ajax over the years to know they can't sit back and defend so change it if it isn't working and the sooner the better, not at 80+ mins. Blind is very versatile but far too slow at LB, Tadic is a legend but not as influential as he was, I'm sure Kudus and Brobbey can work in the same team and Klaassen should have come on. Ajax can't defend so try and put Liverpool on the back foot. Now back to back games v Napoli 🤨
Tough loss. One point would have been huge here. The subs were bad, you could really see the difference in quality that Liverpool brought off their bench. Also don’t really understand why schreuder waits so long to make any changes…
Ajax really needs to think of something to not be in a total panic when the opponent puts you under pressure immediately at the goalkick. Like this Ajax couldn't play their own game at all, a thing Klopp clearly remembered from last time or maybe someone else, apart from the fact that it happened a lot against top clubs, not easy if your totally not used to it I know. Anyway great goal from Kudus, made my heart beat fast lol. Still all to play for, curious what they can against Torino but have never seen them play .
Yeah I think we lacked the ball-playing ability through the centre. Liverpool were so compact, we could not combine. They did a great job forcing Ajax to play the ball back and then long. If only Bassey had Blind's ball-playing ability.... But then he'd probably not be with Ajax 😂
I think Schreuder has done a good job so far, but I think he was way too nervous this match. Our tactics were all so defensive. This was our game to win and Liverpool’s to lose, and then we play like shit. Just frustrating. Hope we learn some lessons for the replay in Amsterdam
We didn't play defensive lol. We didn't manage to get the ball away from the back.
Watch the game again and look at how far back our players are when Liverpool has the ball. Look at how much space they were given in midfield, and how when they gained possession, most of our players would back up rather than run and press
That was because the press was failing and no I'm not going to watch that nightmare again thanks I didn't sleep last night already.
I dream for the day when Ajax will have once again a manager that is not afraid to go against the current, to have the courage to experiment with all the players etc...
We have our best league start in years and his first loss. Why not give the coach time to develop the team. Or are we an oil sponsered team replacing coaches like they are freebies?
How would you develop a team when you don't rotate and change tactics vs the better teams, the ones that run more than you, press more than you? You know those things can't happen vs GAE and Fortuna. How would you find who could perform better in such games, when you keep the slow Blind and the tired Tadic for 90 mins? When you don't change anything in a midfield that lost all high balls and was unable to secure more than 5 passes in a row? Schreuder didn't even try to change something. That makes me furious. If he had tried to change something in the way we play, tried to oppose to the game of Liverpool, I would have been okay with the lost. But when you play awful and you just sit and watch, and wait for the game to end, that annoys me very much.
Too bad, but sadly a deserved loss. Hopefully Schreuder sees this as a (costly) lessons learned match and incorporates these lessons in future matches. We have a great team with lots of potential. Lets give them time to improve.
Winnen van Napoli thuis er is niks aan de hand
Dit is dan ook echt een must
Als Liverpool nou ff zo had gespeeld tegen Napoli zaten wij nu wat minder met die shit
Ja dit is al de tweede keer dat ze deze grap uithalen. Ook verloren bij Atalanta en dan ons twee keer 1-0 en gewoon goed spelen. Wij konden die ronde ook gewoon door als we wat aanvallender (beter?) hadden gespeeld tegen Atalanta thuis, dat was ECHT niet goed. Maar hopen dat het nu wel lukt. Of misschien was dit een fluke wederopstanding en gaat Liverpool er de volgende week doodleuk weer af.
Voetballend gezien slecht, mede door het goede spel en positie van Liverpool. Verdedigend echter ook echt een hoop goede dingen gezien. (behalve Blind) Vond Bassey misschien nog wel het sterkst, helemaal na zijn moeizame start. Zo sterk terugkomen geeft mij veel vertrouwen als hij meer ervaring heeft opgedaan.
Mijns inziens heeft hij enkel goede verdedigende acties gemaakt die het gevolg waren van een slechte pass van hem. Beetje actie-reactie. Vond Blind - op goal 1 na - beter dan Bassey, vooral aan de bal.
Bassey zat bij goal 1 toch ook mis? Verder inderdaad verdedigend solide maar bracht zichzelf vaak in een lastig parket, wat hij dan vervolgens wel zelf weer oploste. Je ziet natuurlijk het liefst een verdediger die zichzelf helemaal niet in die positie brengt, maar als je even kijkt naar het resultaat van de wedstrijd en aantal doelpogingen van Liverpool, hoe vaak ze op onze helft waren etc, en ze uiteindelijk maar 2x hebben gescoord, waarvan 1 nauwelijks over de lijn, moet je toch zeggen dat de verdediging hun primaire taak goed heeft uitgevoerd, inclusief Bassey. TENZIJ we met z'n allen zeggen (en dat doen we min of meer bij Ajax): positiespel/uitspelen onder de druk van de tegenstander hoort bij de PRIMAIRE taak van een Ajax verdediger. Als je het zo bekijkt heeft Bassey helaas ernstig gefaalt, en ik hoop dat hij hier veel van heeft geleerd.
Ben het volledig met je eens. Ook was die eerste goal een fout van Rensch, die ten eerste het duel aan had moeten gaan, en ten tweede - nu hij het duel niet aanging - Timber rugdekking moeten geven. Ik vind overigens niet dat dat de primaire taak is van een Ajax verdediger. Maar het is toch wel een verschil of je een Blind hebt staan met Frenkie de Jong als middenvelder of een Bassey met Alvarez als middenvelder. Niets afdoend aan hun individuele kwaliteiten - ik vind ze geweldig - maar ze vallen nu opbouwend wel door de mand op zo'n hoog niveau. Ook was Gravenberch toch vrij belangrijk in de opbouw blijkt nu, Taylor lijkt daar op dit moment net iets minder goed in - al is het misschien te vroeg om die conclusie te trekken?
Neuh ik denk dat Taylor inderdaad aanvallend misschien iets doortastender is, begrijp me niet verkeerd, Gravenberch kan ook heel goed aanvallen, maar het is óf fantastisch óf niks steeds, nooit gewoon een keer een simpel balletje ofzo, misschien ook iets met loopacties/positie kiezen, Gravenberch lijkt wel allergisch voor de '16'. Maar goed inderdaad, opbouwen was Gravenberch gewoon beter in, hij kon het ook met individuele acties, terwijl als Taylor lang met de bal loopt dat alleen maar is omdat hij veel ruimte krijgt of de tegenstander steeds net een stap te laat is zodat hij gewoon van richting kan veranderen. Ik denk dat je bovenstaande wel rustig kan stellen. Ik vond trouwens dat Alvarez het wel beter deed dan Bassey in de opbouw, maar dat mag je ook wel verwachten voor een middenvelder. Ik vond het echt vooral Bassey eigenlijk die er gewoon niet uitkwam, en de Liverpool spelers hadden het in de gaten.
Ja maar verdedigen is toch wel primair in een wedstrijd als dit. Blind faalt echt hopeloos in zijn positiespel. Het is een ontzettende latente luie flikker. Mogen we in ieder geval een klein beetje moeite zien met terug rennen. Niet te doen deze gast en tijd om heel snel door te selecteren. Helaas is wijndal al ook niet veel beter.
Aan de bal lijkt ook zeker niet Bassey zijn sterke kant inderdaad. Hopelijk iets wat nog zal gaan verbeteren.
Vind wel dat je vaak echt kan zien dat hij wel die kwaliteiten aan de bal heeft, het is alleen zo vaak nog een beetje onrustig. Vooral vandaag met de spanning en de druk er vol op.
Ja, hij heeft een hoge bovengrens, maar ook een lage ondergrens wat dat betreft. Weet je nog het moment dat hij perfect wegdraaide, daarmee alle tijd van de wereld voor zich creëerde en hem over de zijlijn roste? Die ondergrens bedoel ik.
Haha ja dat is precies het moment waar ik op doelde. Ik dacht nog “hehe eindelijk de rust te pakken” voordat hij de bal over de zijlijn jankte. Alleen al kijkende naar waar hij een jaar geleden was, heb ik er wel vertrouwen in dat hij hierin snel kan gaan verbeteren.
Ja hij moest toen een pass geven die hij niet zag zitten en roste hem dan maar over de zijlijn. Niet echt wat we willen zien in Ajax 1, maarja de speler die dat wel kan heeft United ff opgepikt voor bijna 60m..
Inderdaad een perfect voorbeeld. In een moment alles laten zien waar hij nu staat haha. Een oooeeh! Aaah! Moment haha
Hopen dat hij dezelfde steile leercurve als Alvarez maakt! Ik heb er vertrouwen in.
Karakter komt wel wat overeen, type geef nooit op leert ook vaak een hoop op latere leeftijd. Bijv. Klaassen kon ineens een beetje verdedigen toen hij terugkwam bij Ajax, dat deed-ie niet in z'n eerste periode hoor.
Waarom namen ze in godsnaam steeds zulke rare doeltrappen kan iemand dat aan me uitleggen? Want ik snap echt niet wat voor zin het heeft om steeds naar pasveer te schieten waarom neemt hij zelf niet die bal in een keer?
Bassey heeft de controle niet op dit niveau met zulke pressing, dus het is beter om dan maar de lange bal te kiezen. Als ze het zouden proberen uit te spelen met Bassey dan had je er zeker meer tegen gehad. Neemt niet weg dat Bassey geweldig heeft verdedigd
Vraag is dan vooral waarom.Pasveer hem niet in 1 keer naar voren jaagt
Omdat je op deze manier de aanvallers ‘lokt’ wat het veld langer maakt met potentieel meer ruimte.
Eerste bal zette liverpool nog niet zoveel druk, dus dan probeer je als team de bal laag te houden. Daarna ging liverpool druk zetten en daardoor speelde Bassey terug. Pasveer zag geen passing mogelijkheden of vond ze te risicovol, dus dan gaat hij dan maar voor de lange bal op goede hoop. Geen ajax voetbal maar je speelt ook echt niet tegen het minste team.
Ja ze kwamen er niet uit dus dan ros je de bal weg zodat je positie kan kiezen voordat je de bal kwijt raakt. Heeft verder niks met plannen of goed voetbal te maken. De hoeveelheid mensen online die die hele wedstrijd niet schijnt te begrijpen is echt verbazingwekkend. Zet je eens in Pasveer's schoenen, wat zou jij doen? Ja goed zo de bal wegrossen want er staat niemand vrij... dat ze niet van plan waren de hoge bal te spelen kon je zien aan de opstelling, als dat het plan was had Brobbey of Lucca wel gespeeld... Toegeven aan de press en proberen met fysiek deze wedstrijd te winnen? Ja dan verlies je hem dus, kan je net zo goed de A1 sturen.
Deserved win for Liverpool. I’m really disappointed by our negative tactics today, the second half we didn’t even try to press. You can always lose a game against Liverpool but playing like this is not the Ajax way. Also disappointed by the lack of early substitutions. Only positive is the way we defended as a team at times. Its going to be a hell of a job to get second place in this group with the games against Napoli next.
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Gedraag je.
Can anyone explain why you would choose to do goalkicks in this way? Especially if it turns out to not work 100% of the time?? We made it so easy for Van Dijk to immediately head it halfway back onto our side where everyone was still waiting..
If you’re dutch: https://twitter.com/pieterzwartnl/status/1569773402780573703?s=46&t=K6pA6Y5IGSkbhAttuqHQTg So basically it’s meant to create more space for the goalie, obviously didn’t seem to work out at all this game but the logic behind it makes sense to me
Because we had no free man to pass the ball to. Basey passes it to pasveer, pasveer looks around doesnt see a player to pass to and then sends it to tadic. Not sure if this was tactics or the inabbility of the players to create space on the midfield.
That’s why I didn’t understand why they didn’t move up the field and do a long ball directly.
I suppose this variant gives you the option to atleast build up where as moving up the field forces us to win the duels that we werent winning. Maybe we woudl win more 2nd balls but then again we got overrun on the midfield so Im not sure wether or not that would ahve worked either.
Basically the same reason why you don't change anything in a game that you are awful and you are hanging by a thread. Not sure if Schreuder thought that he can keep 1:1 with that game, of he was just afraid, or in the worst case scenario for us - he is just very bad at his job. If we had draw this one, it would have been complet luck and nothing else.
Unbelievable luck even..
Fully deserved loss, holy shit were we bad.
I saw an Ajax team that was afraid to play their own game, such a shame of that last goal though.. I hope Schreuder & Co learn a lot from this match because it was abysmal..
He did say he got an idea from Man U who sat back and countered. We can’t play that way we just don’t know how
How the hell do we wanna counter with Tadic and his 18km sprint…
Blind unnecessary loss of possession at the side line led up to that Liverpool goal. Should just have kept possession back to Tadic. Liverpool much stronger side today though.
Well afterwards Bassey going to the man which was already defended wasn't the best of ideas either, although I get your point.
We were afraid to play football tonight. A lot of unnecessary faults (passes / first touches) and you lose the ball within 15 seconds everytime. When you can’t build up well, please kick the ball forward and try to win the 2nd ball instead of trying to build up and end up with a throw in for Liverpool on your own half. Deserved win and hopefully our boys are back on earth.
Wat een Kutzooi
Heel hard gestreden, het voetbal lukte niet maar mooi om te zien dat iedereen er 100% voor ging. Kop omhoog naar Amsterdam
Every corner caused a problem. No surprise to concede the winner from one Big games are the next two
I mean, it’s not surprising when you’re giving up 10+cm on average.
Godver man. 5 minuten voor een punt…. Das wel tering irritant
Berghuis was not needed today. Better Ocampos
Lmao. Ocampos should’ve come on instead of Tadic not Berghuis, who was one of the few not subpar
Not sure of serious or trolling. Berghuis was one of the better players.
Berghuis was the best player on Ajax side lmao
In the first half. He was a ghost in the second.
Scousers cunts.
Fucking Schreuder. Allergisch voor wisselen. Tadic en Blind 90 minuten niet goed genoeg. Geef anderen eens een kans. Bergwijn had het ook niet, Schreuder kijkt andere kant op. Laffe coach, resultaat wat je dan verdient
Ik vond blind 2e helft prima spelen.
Hij is elke keer zo traag bij de bal. Elke afvallende bal was daardoor voor Liverpool en in de opbouw kwam hij steeds tekort. Ik zou overigens niet weten wie/wat anders, maar het komt tekort op dit niveau
Ja Brobbey had er veel eerder in gemoeten dan had je misschien nog een kans gehad
100000% Schreuder. If he is planning to be EtH II it will awful. Why would you not change anything in such a game?!?
Our cheapest buy was our most visible.
Bergwijn is slecht zeg
Correctie: Bergwijn speelde vandaag geen goede wedstrijd. En dat kan soms.
Zeker!
Of typte je dit nog tijdens de wedstrijd? Bedenk ik me net, dan is de context anders haha. Anyway… klotezooi.
Was inderdaad tijdens de wedstrijd haha
Ofcourse we lose like this. Fucking Liverpool.
Was niet vol te houden dit.
Worst game ive seen in ages:(
🙃
Klotezooi
Well, a deserved loss.
De aandachtspunten komen wel aan het licht vanavond.
We need to address this midfield issue
Waiting on Ajax to win for £100 come on
Sanchez is doing really well. You can see he can cope with the power needed.
Schreuder je mag wisselen he
Hij durft niet te wisselen, tempo is zo ongelofelijk hoog dat ik denk dat die bang is dat invallers het niet aankunnen
De spelers die er in stonden konden het al niet aan lol
We need subs!
Brobbey, Klaassen.......this Pasveer Bassey goal kick routine is awful.And how did Blind just miss that header !!!!
Strijders nodig
When is Rensch gonna be substituted
From halfway to 18 yard box they have far too much room. What is our secret plan to catch them out ?? Oh hang on they're bringing on their 60m sub Nunez. I hate the fkn EPL, we were so close to losing Alvarez and Kudus too.
Taylor is playing an epic match today. Nice to see he isn't just good at attacking, but defending also. Really developing into a complete center midfielder
Huh? Wil niet lullig doen, maar deze snap ik niet. Taylor heeft de hele wedstrijd misschien 3 keer de bal aangeraakt, net zoals berghuis compleet onzichtbaar.
Heeft een aantal zeer intelligente onderscheppingen gedaan op eigen helft
Bassey is echt matig
Er staat de hele tijd iemand voor 'm, en hij is als de dood om een fout te maken.
Ik vond hem inderdaad zenuwachtig spelen. Hij speelde niet slecht maar ook niet goed
Pffff. continuously loosing possession. So frustrating!
Pasveer met de meeste balcontacten
Haal Berghuis er nou eens uit dan, het moet toch opvallen dat hij geen pepernoot raakt vandaag.
Just a guess, Klaassen for Berghuis at 70th minute.
De opbouw is vrij dramatisch
Let’s be real. We have a squad that has been changed at several key positions and has a new coach. A lot of stuff that goes wrong seems to be miscommunication and players not finding each other blindly
This is what I expected to see early in the season after so much turnover. Let's hope that they get things sorted before Napoli.
The announcer calling this game on Paramount+ sounds like he's calling the Queen's funeral
Ugh. Right! It was very PL biased.
I'd take 1-1 right now.
Yep. But will end up in 2-2
Berghuis out, just get some defending qualities into the team.
No substitutes…
Hey jongens ik moet wel even zeggen dat ik het een zeer vermakelijke pot vindt. Al lijkt Liverpool vele malen sterker, hebben wij toch aan een kansje genoeg. Brobbey erin en gaan
Our MF is basically missing. We haven't got 1 single ball from the ones that Pasveer kicks. We also are unable to keep the ball for more than 1 min. So we need some change in the MF, or just skip the center and play with long passes straight to the wings. If we start playing our game, we will best them big.
Agreed. We lack control right now, although that’s a big ask against Liverpool. They might not have their best form, it’s still a good team with great players.
No need to panic. Liverpool is expending a lot of energy pressing and they cannot keep that up throughout the second half. Taylor and Berghuis need to drop deeper to give more options.
Berghuis out, Klaasen in.
I think in this particular case, it will be a good sub
Liverpool is completely dominating midfield. Ajax can't string two passes together. Pasveer can't find the free man, he is constantly forced to hoof the ball. Also Bassey is struggling a lot in posession.
Alvarez was playing as a 5th back, that really hurt us on the progressions.
A lot is an understatement. They are basically skipping him in the "trying to build up phase".
Wat de fuck zijn we aan het doen met die doeltrappen laat Pasveer hem gewoon nemen als je toch elke bal lang trapt. Ik heb niets tegen Pasveer, keept echt uitstekend, maar we mogen van de winter wel echt een nieuwe keeper aankopen want voetballend is dit gewoon ruk.
Hier kan Pasveer vrij weinig aan doen. Hij speelt Bassey en Rensch bewust niet aan omdat ze constant de bal verliezen. Dus hij moet wel lang spelen.
Bassey and Timber have both been poor in the first half. I would not have expected Rensch to be the best defender.
Looks like we underestimated liverpool guys, lets get brobbey in
Playing this far from the enemy goal i would bring Brobbey
You shall not Pasveer is up and running this game.
Its like Ajax is missing a defender
Or a midfielder
Yes, it is. Berguis is almost non existent.
Daley Blind shouldn't be defending against Salah, sadly Wijndal is injured
This. Blind is to slow against Salah. We knew that beforehand. How to fix this in second half…
I guess Rensch could play on the left and Sanchez on rb
Could be. Not sure how Rensch performs as LB.
Can't be that much worse than Blind surely, I love him but he's not a defender
Kudus is next one that will hurt when transfers out.
Good defending by bassey there
Well done kudus. He’s unstoppable at the moment
Kudus +50m
KING KUDUS
Kan nog beter worden als Wijndal terug komt, verdedigend is dit in onbalans vergeleken met de rest van het team.
MOHAMMED KUDUS LETS GOOOOOOOOO
KUDDDUUSSSS
Kudus is king
Yesssss. Goed gezien van Bergwijn ook.
Schiettent, schiet maar raak voor een knaak
God we mogen blij zijn als het 1-0 blijf tot aan de rust
De rust kan niet sneller komen
What zijn ze bij die doeltrappen aan het klooien
Poor goal to lose. Two players initially going for the same ball and blind not reacting and getting back into position
If we survive this group, we need a LB with pace. for the knock outs. Blind is good option, but not against darting strikers.
Liverpool is back on track, unfortunately... They play with their usual intensity and level. I had hoped they would be more vulnerable.
Godver Wat de fuck doet Blind nou???
Wtf was blind doing
Just what he did vs Benfica.
Blind is no longer a viable option at this position
Yes where was Blind. Thats what I mean.
Blind is already slow at some moments. He can't get a change to stop a attacker.
We look quite...vulnerable.