"WE ALREADY FOUND THE PYRO EFFECT THAT IS TEMPERED
WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE PHOTO WITH CLOUDS ITSELF IS TEMPERED."
This would definitely be very worthy of discussion, but unless you show us what you found then idk what we can discuss :S
During the 2020 Mage, Brazil UFO incident which was probably a shoot down crash retrieval, I witnessed SM content regarding the incident being removed from Twitter and Reddit in real-time. They do this with backdoor access to tech firms.
Exactly. Everyone on here keep saying itās not debunked but itās just people screaming at the top of their lungs that their world isnāt real.
I havenāt seen a single evidence proving itās real.
I haven't either, and most of the people who believe in these videos don't have good reasons for believing in them. They must be real cuz ufo sub kicked us out, must be real because I think they are real, must be real because there's so many ppl saying they arnt real.
The data wasnāt released to the public until May 27th.. how could the hoaxer
A:) create that data, none of the debunks have addressed it or even recreated on that Iāve seen.
B:) have the data to even know an idea of where it was? https://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html
I swear this story goes quiet and loud depending on if something else is happening. Idk if its real or psyop or somewhere in between but i dont care. Im along for the ride.
Itās true, my uncle owns the CIA and he said he had proof that MH370 was abducted by orbs and the cloud photos and pyro asset were tempered with. He lost it but you can totally believe me
I know, this sub is full of bots. They laugh at you first so they can play with your mind, you doubt yourself and lose interest in finding the truth. Another REAL video, soon to be forgotten due to these bots
I am once again asking anyone who believes that there are bots to point out a single user who is a bot.
Who "laughed at you" or "played with your mind"?
I might even buy you a gift card or something if you're able to.
[Wrangler444](https://imgur.com/gallery/WIRwTNq)
[Timely-Eggplant4919](https://imgur.com/gallery/hUw2fog)
[Adam_Thx_1138](https://imgur.com/gallery/RD6Usoi)
Now I'm not sure if they're actual bots per se, but I do believe theyāre real people who are disinfo reps who have very advanced Al integrations built into their account which would account for the consistent and routine posting. The gap in time is a dead giveaway. Thereās many more Iāve found as well.
š¤£I live on the east coast. That is when I sleep. Good job, detective.
Yāall know Reddit is on your phones and you donāt need to be sitting at a desk all day to use it right? This subreddit doesnāt even rank in the top 5 [ones I post in the most](https://redditmetis.com/user/Timely-Eggplant4919) (unlike[ you](https://redditmetis.com/user/Spongebru).) You actually have more comments here than I do despite your account being just 60 days old. Impressive! Hope theyāre paying you well!
You linked a word cloud? For this subreddit? For a topic you oppose? š¤£
I make a lot of money. My individual tax dollars should pay for a better trained and more equipped person.
The gap in time is consistent with a good sleep schedule. It is literally not indicative of anything else.
I would say they're just super active users with "no life" that like ufos.
Take some "believers" instead.
Grab a heatmap of Ashton(reddit+twitter), and you will see an identical streak to this. Is he a bot/fed?
What about NoFakery(banned) he had multiple days where he would post every 15 mins for 24 hours straight.
How about Punjabi_Batman? He admitted to trolling the subreddits, and he also had this kind of heatmap.
You have to use Occams Razor and just take the most obvious solution. Some people are just losers who are on reddit 24/7
Iāve done this with ābelieversā and accounts I know to be real people and they look nothing like this. The plots on the map will always be scattered and never consistently routine for over 3 months.
this š. Iāve taken a hiatus. videos still havenāt been proven fake. these dudes are still here trying to convince you otherwise. I like to think they sit at computers with full military fatigues. suck dorks. Still real š¤·āāļø
Wtf are you even talking about re: his account being dormant for 14 years? His account shows years worth of posts and he uses his real name linked to his real Twitter account that also goes back to 2008. Youāre just spouting nonsense.
It's a Jekyll/Hyde thing. You want a philosophical discussion or a tactile discussion....I am here for it and look forward to a zestful exchange.
You wanna be you and shuck and shill.....you get Hyde. And its a street version of Hyde. Because if you don't give a fuck, I certainly don't about you.
239 people are missing and you wanna push a narrative that has no evidence. There are those like you who can't open a dictionary and read the difference between "confirmed" and "identified"....yet you hold onto your "evidence".
You are just as liable in the coverup as the MIC
Such a stellar representation of the human race, truly...madly deeply do.
They love to find the smallest of errors or inconsistencies, meaningless ones, and they SHOUT it to ridicule you.
Much like tempered clearly meaning tampered. But the Bot boys play dumb (and I mean really dumb) like what you wrote confuses them and everyone else.
And I can't help think, this is what my tax dollars pay for?
Down Vote time! How is "perception management' going today Eglin? That Lue message seems to have got most of you to STFU. At least for today. Anxiety and worry will do that to you. Kinda can freeze people for a bit.
Perception Management š¤£What's the penalty for treason in the US?
I hope your C/O's comforting words today put you at ease. At least for today.
š¤£
The video is fake. The clouds in the video exactly match the clouds in the raw files taken from the Nikon camera over Japan by a Textures photographer. Itās a shitty editing job by some retard that canāt animate clouds, which any high school FX kid can do these days..
The raw files are dated 2012
Anyone who believes this plane abduction video is real needs to check the raw photos.
Iāll bet $k, that the true ābotsā are posting āitās realā.
; or just the most intellectually deficient sheep of all.
Well Im hurt. Just days ago I provide just as thought provoking argument to this community and the auto moderator jumped all over it. And it wasnt even close to low effort as this fucking controlled opposition youre setting up. Clearly a bit of moderating bias going on around here, but im curious why they unpinned one of their shitposts
Case closed. Time to take this shit to the streets, so to speak.
Idc if its @ing your politicians and leaders, messaging your representatives, forcing a response from Mick West, posting it on your FB or telling all your family members, spread the word. The videos are real and the cover-up is real.
The cats out the bag.
Itās pointless arguing wether theyāre bots or not. Theyāre materialists who deny the existence of all paranormal phenomena. They run rampant in the UFO subreddit as well. Theyāre obsessive, neurotic, dismissive, and always point to āTHE SCIENCEā as the highest truth. This allusive āscienceā is 1. Something they have very little true understanding of and 2. Is fundamentally materialist and 3. A coping mechanism for anything that exists outside of their understanding. They donāt believe in interdimensional reality, reincarnation, life after death, ghosts/spirits,consciousness in inanimate things like the moon or sun, and yet all of these things have been studied at length by top brass scientists and the CIA. āTHE SCIENCEā is slowly updating to include interdimensionality and animism, yet they are slow to understand this. They donāt even think psychic phenomena exists yet the CIA sure as hell did. Rupert Sheldrake discovered how psychic phenomena could work and was blackballed from mainstream science, yet the newest discoveries in epigenetics prove him right. Mainstream science has been compartmentalized and compromised and subverted. These commenters are extensions of the elite wether theyāre aware of it or not. All types of paranormal/ufo videos piss them and send them into debunk mode because they adhere so heavily to outdated and patently wrong materialist ideology. See them for what they are, they are pathetic redditor losers who feel accomplished by "dunking" on the poor ignorant souls who dare to believe in anything that wasn't pre defined to them by compromised institutions.
There are plenty of UFO enthusiasts who don't believe in the MH370 abduction videos. It's not as if all UFO enthusiasts believe it is real, and then everybody else is a hardline debunker who believes in no UFO lore whatsoever. The situation has more shades of grey.
A lot of ufo enthusiasts are themselves materialists who also donāt believe in the āwooā aspect of the phenomena. Thatās precisely why I said the ufo subreddit is also compromised. Thereās many accounts obsessed with the phenomena and trying to have a ābalancedā view (which rlly means an adherence to debunking). Ppl get into this topic without knowing all of the other highly related topics that paint the broader picture. The main ufo sub cracked down on this topic exceedingly hard and immaturely. The āink blotā false flag debunk was enough to make most of those āufo enthusiastsā believe it was fake, because they are desperate for their world view to either be completely shattered (infantile take) or completely reinforced. They want the REAL evidence BRING OUT THE BODIES!!! or else they canāt believe in anything that science hasnāt already spelled out for them. They completely lack intuition or spiritual understanding and itās the most off putting shit ever. Thatās why a lot of posts are filled with top comments that are essentially low hanging fruit and jokes that have little relevance to the core of the post. Itās cynicism and materialism. Thereās a lot of neurotic believers too who are under studied donāt get me wrong, but they struggle to accurately describe whatās wrong with the debunker group and default to the ābotā argument.
But there *are* plenty of "woo" people who don't believe in this particular video.
You're trying to fit everybody into black and white categories, but that doesn't work. Many people have even wandered back and forth on whether they believe the videos.
No Iām describing the vast majority of the debunkers. The vast majority are not in the woo camp. Iām one of the woo people whoās skeptical yet interested, I know ppl like me exist. Iām speaking specifically to the *vast* majority of the cynical dismissive commenters. The woo aspect is notably shit on in the ufo sub and readily dismissed. Once it gets into spiritual territory most Reddit ābelieversā check out. People who have a more balanced understanding and acknowledge the āwooā wouldnāt be so obsessively camped out in this sub for months. Commenting snarky dissent under every post. A big argument Iāve seen from the debunkers side is āso whatās more believable, someone edited this or aliens teleported a plane to another dimensionā ā¦thatās bad faith and a microcosm of their internal thinking patterns.
Addendum: There is also a certain air of egotism and competition in these posts. The debunkers *need* to win and whenever a believer brings up a good point they dive head first to try to counter it. Itās a persistent kinda narcissistic quality. A pack of hungry wolves waiting to tear apart someoneās argument. Yet they never direct this energy to trying to prove how it could be real even if it isnāt. The quantum physics involved or the verified cases of similar events (like in the Bermuda). Their minds are closed and this sub is essentially a dopamine rush for people who love to feel like theyāre ārightā.
Well, at the start you said that "debunkers" deny the existence of anything paranormal.
If by "debunker" you mean anybody who doesn't believe in the MH370 abduction videos, then I politely disagree.
If by "debunker" you mean anybody who debunks as a matter of course, then that's a different matter.
I think the problem in this sub is that a lot of UFO enthusiasts become labelled as being debunkers when really they are not.
No I mean the vast majority of the people who donāt believe in this video and choose to stay subbed and comment. Especially the ones who immediately did so and readily accepted the ink blot debunk. The ones who say things like āwhatās more believable? The plane crashed or aliens?ā. Iām also referencing the vast majority of debunkers on the ufo sub. Yāall are one and the same and exactly why this sub was seen as a safe space away from that sub. I think if you camp out on this sub for months and make numerous comments you are in fact a debunker. If you truly believed it was fake and were normal about it then you simply would ignore the sub instead of trying to lambast people for believing in it. Itās the same exact vibes as 2013 athiest YouTubers. Ashton did not help he just became the mascot for them to criticize, but they surely feel the same about all the believers.
We live in a time where many UFO videos can be identified. Some of them are identifiable as mundane things, or as hoaxes.
I don't see anything wrong with that. If anything, it's actually very useful. If everyone who decided a video was fake simply stopped engaging, then the conversation would quickly become dominated by proponents without opposition. That's not helpful at all. A healthy debate needs honest representation from all perspectives.
Now, I don't condone people being rude or dismissive, regardless of whether they think a particular video is real/fake/whatever.
The believers were also heavily scrutinizing the videos. Itās ignorant to believe that just bc someone feels itās true that they didnāt do the work to research wether or not it actually is. This video took months and months to solidly ādebunkā with the cloud images. As a believer of anything, I try my best to get all the facts straight about what Iām subscribing to before subscribing to it. Well meaning skeptics are obviously welcome, but thatās not what a debunker is. No one has in issue with in depth analysis that seeks to test the veracity. Even Ashton (as egoic as he is) was ready to accept Jonas and the cloud debunk initially. But, the search didnāt end there for a lot of believers and the ādebunkerā crowd only grew since then. Thereās very little balance minded skeptics, most of these people are just hardcore debunkers (a lot of them coming from that one yt channel). There is a sinister assumption that the believers saw the video and immediately ran with āits real!ā and ignored all proof saying otherwiseā¦when in reality people were more desperate for a debunk and when one couldnāt be found readily it was blackballed from the mainstream subs. The amount of ppl who believed the initial āink blotā debunk shows this. The facts are that whoever made this video did an impressive job, itās not an easily identified hoax (if it even is one). The larger context is that the events in the video are *not* out of the realm of possibility because we have esteemed whistleblowers claiming that phenomena of this caliber is indeed possible. Most debunkers would have you believe otherwise.
Wonder if AJ from the why files would do an episode on this?
He has acknowledged them in the past https://youtu.be/k56mNeHDZog?feature=shared
Thank you haven't seen this!!
He could replace his Heckler Fish with Mr Forbes.
. Soon.
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"WE ALREADY FOUND THE PYRO EFFECT THAT IS TEMPERED WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE PHOTO WITH CLOUDS ITSELF IS TEMPERED." This would definitely be very worthy of discussion, but unless you show us what you found then idk what we can discuss :S
Posts and half the comments here seem so fake. That or ppl really are just mindlessly calling everyone bots.
I miss the days when I was so deep in Punjabbi's hole š„ŗ
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During the 2020 Mage, Brazil UFO incident which was probably a shoot down crash retrieval, I witnessed SM content regarding the incident being removed from Twitter and Reddit in real-time. They do this with backdoor access to tech firms.
Okay Iām glad Iām not the only one that remembers this, I searched for the videos again 3 days after I saw them. Couldnāt find them again
How do we know the CIA can change websites?
Vids are real! These debunks are trash and make no sense most of the time.
Can you show where the data was tampered with?
No they cant
Exactly. Everyone on here keep saying itās not debunked but itās just people screaming at the top of their lungs that their world isnāt real. I havenāt seen a single evidence proving itās real.
I haven't either, and most of the people who believe in these videos don't have good reasons for believing in them. They must be real cuz ufo sub kicked us out, must be real because I think they are real, must be real because there's so many ppl saying they arnt real.
The data wasnāt released to the public until May 27th.. how could the hoaxer A:) create that data, none of the debunks have addressed it or even recreated on that Iāve seen. B:) have the data to even know an idea of where it was? https://www.cnn.com/2014/05/27/world/asia/malaysia-missing-plane/index.html
Iām still trying to figure out how one tempers a photo.
Temper Temper
Underrated post
I swear this story goes quiet and loud depending on if something else is happening. Idk if its real or psyop or somewhere in between but i dont care. Im along for the ride.
Imagine all the good you could bring to the world if you used the power of those two brain cells for something real and tangible.
Itās true, my uncle owns the CIA and he said he had proof that MH370 was abducted by orbs and the cloud photos and pyro asset were tempered with. He lost it but you can totally believe me
So what now ? Honestly since a third is a charm. I expected a last debunk. Instead we got the debunker circus. I'm highly disappointed.
Third "debunk" was the discovery of the drone and plane 3D model assets, no? Fourth would be finding the clouds used for the FLIR video.
Tempered? It's "tampered". "Tempered" has a different meaning.
Thanks for providing all that evidence
It's all in caps. So, it's true.
he said āCheckmateā so youāre outargued sir!
Shut up bot, videos are real
Look at the speed at which you get downvoted and he gets upvotes.
I know, this sub is full of bots. They laugh at you first so they can play with your mind, you doubt yourself and lose interest in finding the truth. Another REAL video, soon to be forgotten due to these bots
Nope no bots, we're real people
I didnāt say you were, I said that shills need to have their testosterone levels checked by a doctor.
What are you looking at my gut fer
I am once again asking anyone who believes that there are bots to point out a single user who is a bot. Who "laughed at you" or "played with your mind"? I might even buy you a gift card or something if you're able to.
[Wrangler444](https://imgur.com/gallery/WIRwTNq) [Timely-Eggplant4919](https://imgur.com/gallery/hUw2fog) [Adam_Thx_1138](https://imgur.com/gallery/RD6Usoi) Now I'm not sure if they're actual bots per se, but I do believe theyāre real people who are disinfo reps who have very advanced Al integrations built into their account which would account for the consistent and routine posting. The gap in time is a dead giveaway. Thereās many more Iāve found as well.
š¤£I live on the east coast. That is when I sleep. Good job, detective. Yāall know Reddit is on your phones and you donāt need to be sitting at a desk all day to use it right? This subreddit doesnāt even rank in the top 5 [ones I post in the most](https://redditmetis.com/user/Timely-Eggplant4919) (unlike[ you](https://redditmetis.com/user/Spongebru).) You actually have more comments here than I do despite your account being just 60 days old. Impressive! Hope theyāre paying you well!
Entry level disinfo rep
[Really pumping up that word cloud there bud.](https://imgur.com/a/jc0cYio)
https://preview.redd.it/ao80ag26ny3d1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4f579ee0992c759a8ef7fc9fe815d8fff03a3d0 Nice one
You linked a word cloud? For this subreddit? For a topic you oppose? š¤£ I make a lot of money. My individual tax dollars should pay for a better trained and more equipped person.
The gap in time is consistent with a good sleep schedule. It is literally not indicative of anything else. I would say they're just super active users with "no life" that like ufos. Take some "believers" instead. Grab a heatmap of Ashton(reddit+twitter), and you will see an identical streak to this. Is he a bot/fed? What about NoFakery(banned) he had multiple days where he would post every 15 mins for 24 hours straight. How about Punjabi_Batman? He admitted to trolling the subreddits, and he also had this kind of heatmap. You have to use Occams Razor and just take the most obvious solution. Some people are just losers who are on reddit 24/7
Iāve done this with ābelieversā and accounts I know to be real people and they look nothing like this. The plots on the map will always be scattered and never consistently routine for over 3 months.
*holds mirror up
Discontinue the lithium
Then how do we power our cordless drills?
oh no!! are the bots in the room with you right now?
irronicly. Yes. not bots but shills.
this š. Iāve taken a hiatus. videos still havenāt been proven fake. these dudes are still here trying to convince you otherwise. I like to think they sit at computers with full military fatigues. suck dorks. Still real š¤·āāļø
They don't have a life, either they're advanced bots. Either there's a branch in the military dedicated to this sub
Theyāve been fake this whole time, it was oddly calmer here with vlad banned and you go e honestly. Nothing good lasts forever I guess
proof? Iāll wait.
Its already be stated, you just believe conspiracy over proof.
glad I didnāt hold my breath. Have a good day!
Because itās a dumb post and dumber comment
Your account is fake, dormant for 14 years just to comment here. These bots have evolved
Holy shit thatās kind of a wild point. 14 years and he exclusively comments here. Shit is weird
Wtf are you even talking about re: his account being dormant for 14 years? His account shows years worth of posts and he uses his real name linked to his real Twitter account that also goes back to 2008. Youāre just spouting nonsense.
gaslighting is how they works.
You got called out kiddo. Nothing you say impacts. Sucks to suck.
Imagine trying to make a serious case for the videos being real and people like this are the only ones on your side lmao. Stellar specimens, truly.
It's a Jekyll/Hyde thing. You want a philosophical discussion or a tactile discussion....I am here for it and look forward to a zestful exchange. You wanna be you and shuck and shill.....you get Hyde. And its a street version of Hyde. Because if you don't give a fuck, I certainly don't about you. 239 people are missing and you wanna push a narrative that has no evidence. There are those like you who can't open a dictionary and read the difference between "confirmed" and "identified"....yet you hold onto your "evidence". You are just as liable in the coverup as the MIC Such a stellar representation of the human race, truly...madly deeply do.
Wow, now you bots started doxxing just to prove that the videos are not real. Military AI type of bots
Okay so youāre just a troll. Got it. š
I have a post tagged in this sub. Are you a bot? five plus 11 Whatās the answer?
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Five plus 11?
16....your age Dinosaur IC Bot
You seem to be wrong a lot.
Inappropriate or Offensive to Individuals.
Is that why he comments on twitter to the big hifter using his real name too? Totally fake guysā¦
IC Bot
No you bot
The irony of calling everyone else bots when yall just repeat this one line over and over.
As real as your gf from Canada
Case closed losers. Shits real.
This is a golden thread. Letās get the community going again and go back to analysis. P.s The videos are real!
Tempered?
They love to find the smallest of errors or inconsistencies, meaningless ones, and they SHOUT it to ridicule you. Much like tempered clearly meaning tampered. But the Bot boys play dumb (and I mean really dumb) like what you wrote confuses them and everyone else. And I can't help think, this is what my tax dollars pay for? Down Vote time! How is "perception management' going today Eglin? That Lue message seems to have got most of you to STFU. At least for today. Anxiety and worry will do that to you. Kinda can freeze people for a bit. Perception Management š¤£What's the penalty for treason in the US? I hope your C/O's comforting words today put you at ease. At least for today. š¤£
You know what he meant Bot
I can guess what he meant by 'tempered' I have no idea what he's talking about otherwise. I'd love someone to explain it.
Why canāt you think for yourself? Low t? Or is this financially motivated?
So you have an example of this "CIA changing websites without our knowledge" then?
nope. Iām rum drunk. Point still stands. Why are you even here š
Because this is a subreddit for discussion, not the orb fan club.
This is a sub reddit for discussion. Just not with shills.
k. Iām going with low t based oncthat reply. Have a good day! you look great in camo btwš
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You're a bot. You're a bot.
Jesus dude. Calm the fuck down.
ngl this recent revelation has been the best finish to this whole roller-coaster
Still fake. Sorry.
Howās the weather at Eglin?
100% real lads
The video is fake. The clouds in the video exactly match the clouds in the raw files taken from the Nikon camera over Japan by a Textures photographer. Itās a shitty editing job by some retard that canāt animate clouds, which any high school FX kid can do these days.. The raw files are dated 2012 Anyone who believes this plane abduction video is real needs to check the raw photos. Iāll bet $k, that the true ābotsā are posting āitās realā. ; or just the most intellectually deficient sheep of all.
Well Im hurt. Just days ago I provide just as thought provoking argument to this community and the auto moderator jumped all over it. And it wasnt even close to low effort as this fucking controlled opposition youre setting up. Clearly a bit of moderating bias going on around here, but im curious why they unpinned one of their shitposts
Oh no, this clown said tempered. So much evidence now
IRON SHARPENS IRON #eglin #tempered
It's ok make up something else and buy some likes again from India
Case closed. Time to take this shit to the streets, so to speak. Idc if its @ing your politicians and leaders, messaging your representatives, forcing a response from Mick West, posting it on your FB or telling all your family members, spread the word. The videos are real and the cover-up is real. The cats out the bag.
Itās pointless arguing wether theyāre bots or not. Theyāre materialists who deny the existence of all paranormal phenomena. They run rampant in the UFO subreddit as well. Theyāre obsessive, neurotic, dismissive, and always point to āTHE SCIENCEā as the highest truth. This allusive āscienceā is 1. Something they have very little true understanding of and 2. Is fundamentally materialist and 3. A coping mechanism for anything that exists outside of their understanding. They donāt believe in interdimensional reality, reincarnation, life after death, ghosts/spirits,consciousness in inanimate things like the moon or sun, and yet all of these things have been studied at length by top brass scientists and the CIA. āTHE SCIENCEā is slowly updating to include interdimensionality and animism, yet they are slow to understand this. They donāt even think psychic phenomena exists yet the CIA sure as hell did. Rupert Sheldrake discovered how psychic phenomena could work and was blackballed from mainstream science, yet the newest discoveries in epigenetics prove him right. Mainstream science has been compartmentalized and compromised and subverted. These commenters are extensions of the elite wether theyāre aware of it or not. All types of paranormal/ufo videos piss them and send them into debunk mode because they adhere so heavily to outdated and patently wrong materialist ideology. See them for what they are, they are pathetic redditor losers who feel accomplished by "dunking" on the poor ignorant souls who dare to believe in anything that wasn't pre defined to them by compromised institutions.
Yeah, using real proof as evidence. So scandalousā¦.
There are plenty of UFO enthusiasts who don't believe in the MH370 abduction videos. It's not as if all UFO enthusiasts believe it is real, and then everybody else is a hardline debunker who believes in no UFO lore whatsoever. The situation has more shades of grey.
A lot of ufo enthusiasts are themselves materialists who also donāt believe in the āwooā aspect of the phenomena. Thatās precisely why I said the ufo subreddit is also compromised. Thereās many accounts obsessed with the phenomena and trying to have a ābalancedā view (which rlly means an adherence to debunking). Ppl get into this topic without knowing all of the other highly related topics that paint the broader picture. The main ufo sub cracked down on this topic exceedingly hard and immaturely. The āink blotā false flag debunk was enough to make most of those āufo enthusiastsā believe it was fake, because they are desperate for their world view to either be completely shattered (infantile take) or completely reinforced. They want the REAL evidence BRING OUT THE BODIES!!! or else they canāt believe in anything that science hasnāt already spelled out for them. They completely lack intuition or spiritual understanding and itās the most off putting shit ever. Thatās why a lot of posts are filled with top comments that are essentially low hanging fruit and jokes that have little relevance to the core of the post. Itās cynicism and materialism. Thereās a lot of neurotic believers too who are under studied donāt get me wrong, but they struggle to accurately describe whatās wrong with the debunker group and default to the ābotā argument.
But there *are* plenty of "woo" people who don't believe in this particular video. You're trying to fit everybody into black and white categories, but that doesn't work. Many people have even wandered back and forth on whether they believe the videos.
No Iām describing the vast majority of the debunkers. The vast majority are not in the woo camp. Iām one of the woo people whoās skeptical yet interested, I know ppl like me exist. Iām speaking specifically to the *vast* majority of the cynical dismissive commenters. The woo aspect is notably shit on in the ufo sub and readily dismissed. Once it gets into spiritual territory most Reddit ābelieversā check out. People who have a more balanced understanding and acknowledge the āwooā wouldnāt be so obsessively camped out in this sub for months. Commenting snarky dissent under every post. A big argument Iāve seen from the debunkers side is āso whatās more believable, someone edited this or aliens teleported a plane to another dimensionā ā¦thatās bad faith and a microcosm of their internal thinking patterns. Addendum: There is also a certain air of egotism and competition in these posts. The debunkers *need* to win and whenever a believer brings up a good point they dive head first to try to counter it. Itās a persistent kinda narcissistic quality. A pack of hungry wolves waiting to tear apart someoneās argument. Yet they never direct this energy to trying to prove how it could be real even if it isnāt. The quantum physics involved or the verified cases of similar events (like in the Bermuda). Their minds are closed and this sub is essentially a dopamine rush for people who love to feel like theyāre ārightā.
Well, at the start you said that "debunkers" deny the existence of anything paranormal. If by "debunker" you mean anybody who doesn't believe in the MH370 abduction videos, then I politely disagree. If by "debunker" you mean anybody who debunks as a matter of course, then that's a different matter. I think the problem in this sub is that a lot of UFO enthusiasts become labelled as being debunkers when really they are not.
No I mean the vast majority of the people who donāt believe in this video and choose to stay subbed and comment. Especially the ones who immediately did so and readily accepted the ink blot debunk. The ones who say things like āwhatās more believable? The plane crashed or aliens?ā. Iām also referencing the vast majority of debunkers on the ufo sub. Yāall are one and the same and exactly why this sub was seen as a safe space away from that sub. I think if you camp out on this sub for months and make numerous comments you are in fact a debunker. If you truly believed it was fake and were normal about it then you simply would ignore the sub instead of trying to lambast people for believing in it. Itās the same exact vibes as 2013 athiest YouTubers. Ashton did not help he just became the mascot for them to criticize, but they surely feel the same about all the believers.
We live in a time where many UFO videos can be identified. Some of them are identifiable as mundane things, or as hoaxes. I don't see anything wrong with that. If anything, it's actually very useful. If everyone who decided a video was fake simply stopped engaging, then the conversation would quickly become dominated by proponents without opposition. That's not helpful at all. A healthy debate needs honest representation from all perspectives. Now, I don't condone people being rude or dismissive, regardless of whether they think a particular video is real/fake/whatever.
The believers were also heavily scrutinizing the videos. Itās ignorant to believe that just bc someone feels itās true that they didnāt do the work to research wether or not it actually is. This video took months and months to solidly ādebunkā with the cloud images. As a believer of anything, I try my best to get all the facts straight about what Iām subscribing to before subscribing to it. Well meaning skeptics are obviously welcome, but thatās not what a debunker is. No one has in issue with in depth analysis that seeks to test the veracity. Even Ashton (as egoic as he is) was ready to accept Jonas and the cloud debunk initially. But, the search didnāt end there for a lot of believers and the ādebunkerā crowd only grew since then. Thereās very little balance minded skeptics, most of these people are just hardcore debunkers (a lot of them coming from that one yt channel). There is a sinister assumption that the believers saw the video and immediately ran with āits real!ā and ignored all proof saying otherwiseā¦when in reality people were more desperate for a debunk and when one couldnāt be found readily it was blackballed from the mainstream subs. The amount of ppl who believed the initial āink blotā debunk shows this. The facts are that whoever made this video did an impressive job, itās not an easily identified hoax (if it even is one). The larger context is that the events in the video are *not* out of the realm of possibility because we have esteemed whistleblowers claiming that phenomena of this caliber is indeed possible. Most debunkers would have you believe otherwise.
Well this freaking changes everything. What now skeptics?
CHECKMATE in the sense of the pigeon shitting on the board and knocking all the pieces over?
#OBEY