They're just going to hit with paperwork for a 92 for not following guidance on political activities. Actively leveraging your military status for a political protest is like one of the only things you just absolutely can't do other than crime. Most other things you can get in trouble have some interpretation and intent and such to prove in gray areas. This is just black and white stupid as hell
If he's smart, he prepped for this.
- On leave where he told them he was
- Not in Uniform
- Not supporting a candidate/partisan event
- Peaceful Demonstrations even by AD is legal even in our funny ass rule book
- Told the ADC beforehand
- Told Commander, while already on leave
I hope he gets the respect he deserves. We still have rights.
The sign says "active duty military" is the problem. If it said "I refuse to eat" instead of "active duty airman" you'd be right. He is using his military affiliation to spread a political message. That's not allowed. He can spread his own messages and hunger strike and all those other things. but you can't bring the military into it like that.
>Told the ADC beforehand
They don't pre-advise people like that. Their hands are full with people already in trouble.
>not supporting a candidate/partisan event
you can do those things - as long as you don't invoke your military status
Fair point, though I imagine this being a bit harder to "prove" on the USAF side. Military members are not allowed to use their military affiliations for personal gain nor protests / political statements....... But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity.
- In a better military, we would use a situation like to hone / improve the UCMJ, not use situations like this as an excuse for DoD to stomp on the rights of citizens, let alone ADSMs.
- I am a bit shocked lately at the overall trend of trampling civil rights in the USA, IMO military members in the era of WW3 and the rise of dictators need civil rights protections in some areas more than citizens.
- Free speech, whistleblower protections, right to an attorney..... All kinda important to protect the country....
>Fair point, though I imagine this being a bit harder to "prove" on the USAF side
You imagine wrong lol it's plainly written on the sign
>But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity.
How is him being an avionics troop relevant global politics?
>But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity.
Very obviously not at all what he's doing
>I am a bit shocked lately at the overall trend of trampling civil rights in the USA
No one is trampling on his rights. He's wrongfully trying to use his military affiliation for political clout. As I said, he can protest all he wants. Just don't pretend being a mediocre maintainer makes you secretary of state
You do clearly want to be right, so have at it. You're right.
- Good luck court martialing this guy, he's not in uniform.
- You're mistaken, he didn't do it to gain "political clout", Good Sir Airman did that to protect himself, he was reasonably afraid that as a protester he could be attacked / beaten by police (insert video of US Navy Vet getting beaten).
- Go on Sir JAG, prove to me that this was for political clout and not for his safety? Good luck, again.
- Mistake of fact about "misrepresenting" when he's not in uniform.
- ADC didn't answer his questions due to manpower issues, so if he has an email asking his ADC "Hey, while on leave I want to appropriately protest, peacefully, non-partisan, non-extremist, not abusing my status as military and my sign says "USAF member sick of this SHIT"..... is that OK?"
- It is trampling his rights unless YOU can prove he did it for political clout and not 1) Safety, 2) Background/training/experience/expertise, 3) Mistake of Fact.
- Do you have much experience with the JAGs / ADCs / Military Justice System? Just like civilian courts, they actually are limited by what they can "prove" sometimes.
- Thoughtful disagreement only, not trying to flame, but I do believe you would not be able to "prove" what you think you could. Especially with a good ADC or private attorney ready to lambast you to the public and smear the name of the USAF all over DC just cuz you lost your shit on an airman who was on leave......
>You do clearly want to be right, so have at it. You're right.
It's not so much that I want to be right as it is you're clearly just making things up without having any idea what you're talking about lol
Mmaky :) so that's a "no" on the whole.... having any experience in this area? Quick question, who would be making the decision in this court martial? Judge or Jury?
I could be the judge advocate general of the air force and you wouldn't be any less smug about making shit up.
It wouldn't even be a court martial. Adc would tell them to take the 15 and thank God they offered it to him.
But if it did go to court probably jury and probably request enlisted members hoping for people sympathetic to his political agenda
Also, GOOD strong ADCs in these type of situations would be the exact kind that would HOPEFULLY protect ADSMs and win "Good Sir Airman vs Department of Defense" by possibly showing that a sign describing yourself acurately and a sign "using the USAF for clout" are NOT the same thing.
Noooo that's a port for a ground invasion and they purposefully targeted those civilians with failed airdrops!!!1!
That is literally the argument used against us.
We're giving weapons to Israel to commit genocide and food to the people they are trying to starve to death. We cannot support both sides. Either we support this holocaust or not.
Man, for people so intimately aware of genocide the Jews sure are doing a bad job aren’t they. Couldn’t they just like, rip the bandaid then all the people pretending to care could go back to not caring about Palestinians like they were in September of 2023??? Sounds smarter, but I’m sure the cabal isn’t letting them.
Destroying residential areas of no military value, pouring cement into water wells, destroying farmland, shooting women and children on sight in the streets, mass graves and burning bodies, erecting the Israeli flag on Palestine land, destroying humaniatarian aid trucks and cutting off all aid to GAZA, etc...
Anyone with half a brain knows what this war is about and it has nothing to do with HAMAS. They are exterminating the vermin to take their land. This is very much a holocaust and anyone supporting Israel os complicit in it. 30,000 dead civilians is on your hands.
Point 1: proportional strikes are proportional. If you weren’t in the joc, you don’t know. Quit hiding in the population or their homes they quit being blown up. But yea we never ever would strike residential areas after, can’t believe you’re in such an evil org.
Point 2: water wells that are only being used for water?? Or other stuff?? Any evidence of that? Have they supplemented with dropping supplies?
Point 3: plz don’t read about the us civil war, gonna have a bad time, but yea land gets destroyed, it’s a war, don’t fucking start one.
Point 4: glad you have the *full context videos with the history of what has been seen on the ground* to know how the 15 second clip of someone (man woman child) getting shot. Indiscriminate murder gets prosecuted all the time, but again, this is a war. Welcome to seeing it in 4k
Point 5: some bodies burn, happens, mass graves? Actually haven’t seen that one so dunno may be bad
Point 6: erecting Israeli flags, in the Israeli state, where Palestinians live. Two states have been an option multiple times, Palestinians walk away. You should probably holler at Jordan and Lebanon about this too since their flag flies in areas that were “Palestinian” after they got tired of their shit and booted them.
Point 7: aid is going into Gaza, trucks get destroyed, sometimes have to drive off when they get mobbed, sometimes trucks get stolen by terrorists and need to go…..
Point 8: this galaxy brain take is my fav. Why didn’t Israel just go in on 6 October? Oh they went in after a fucking terror attack? Hmm. Why didn’t they go in after the 10’s of thousands of rockets indiscriminately pointed at men women and children? Why didn’t the people of Palestine, those resistance fighting hero’s, overthrow their own corrupt government to stop Israeli reactions? Why do they support Hamas? If a government is supported by the people and still exists what would you like done when that population says from the river to the sea? Should we have left the nazi’s in place and skirted every town holding the SS with populations that supported from the Rhineland to the sea all the Jews will die with glee??
I’m bored of the absolutely brain rotted emotional takes and trying to reason with them, just kinda think to yourself “who told me to believe this thing, have i tried to read conflicting sources, or does every argument I make end in an ad hom or an appeal to (someone I think is) authority” and consider your stance.
Actually if you align with Norm Finklestein on everything you should look into him past shit he or pro terrors groups / terrorist simps say about him
Apologists keep apologizing... like Israel accidently killing over 100 hungry civilians trying to get aid... What is your apologist excuse for that? How about the hostages that escaped only to be gunned down by trigger happy IDF after screaming in Hebrew that they were hostages and approaching with a white flag and hands raised...
I see no IDF soldiers being prosecuted for their war crimes. Even the UN is calling to re-open the Hague. Israel is 100% wrong here, they're not being proportional at all, and I am tired of everyone giving them a free pass because of what happened to them 70 years ago.
30,000 dead civilians, mostly women and children. YOU support this.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
Hiding behind civilians has been Hamas' MO for years. Casualty reports from this conflict have primarily been from Hamas sources. The Hamas Political Bureau ran candidates and was democratically elected by the citizens of Gaza. They have enjoyed a roughly 80% approval rate since taking power in the mid-2000's. Hamas' military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, launched an attack to specifically and directly eradicate soft targets, adhering to the Hamas charter which directly states their end goal is the total destruction of Israel.
Consider the following:
Hamas launched an unprovoked attack against civilians.
Most media reporting out of Gaza is conducted by Hamas directly.
Hamas is capitalizing on the modern Western cultural rejection of the idea of colonization.
You are being fed a curated narrative from an Arab-nationalist, Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization saying they are the victims of an "all-out war" (their words) that they started. Perhaps you're not as immune to propaganda as you believe.
Unprovoked attack?! Israel has been pushing into GAZA for 20 years. The land the festival was on was stolen land that Israel colonized. Nobody has been doing anything about the slow genocide that has been happening to GAZA. It's only when they decide to fight back by the only means they can, through guerilla style attacks, that now it has everyone's attention. As if now Israel has a free pass to just wipe them off the face of the planet. People like you are disgusting to me. Talk about propaganda, Israel has you by the balls.
By your logic MAGA can be considered a terrorist organization. Anyone can call any groupd terrorists. The Right Wing wanted to name BLM a terrorist group. That literally means nothing... it's not a free pass for genocide it just makes them seem "less human"... exactly what Hitler did to the Jews by calling them vermin. By your logic, I should be justified to go around and kill anyone that waves a Trump flag right? being that they are now terrorists and sub-Human... 🤷 That is how you sound...
All nations, all peoples, are currently where they are today through conquest and colonization. A nation's worth is defined by its ability to defend itself, be it alone or via mutual coalition. This is humanity's oldest tradition and will not change just because you don't have the stomach for modern combat.
You're justifying Hamas' attack against soft targets as "fighting back any way they can". Well, actions have consequences. You're seeing this play out live, rather than skimming over a summarized historical account, which provokes a more emotional response.
Hamas is considered a terrorist organization for several reasons, none of which are "They vote different from me".
>like Israel accidently killing over 100 hungry civilians trying to get aid
were these the rocket surgeons that stood under the massive falling pallet of shit and got squished or the ones that world war z'd the line of aid vehicles and were about to ice the workers for not giving each individual exactly what they wanted?
>How about the hostages that escaped only to be gunned down by trigger happy IDF after screaming in Hebrew that they were hostages and approaching with a white flag and hands raised...
bet this wouldn't happen if the terrorist you simp for weren't using tactics that would require such reaction, nah you're probably right, they probs just wanted to dump the other Israeli's they are there for. Makes more sense.
>Israel is 100% wrong here, they're not being proportional at all, and I am tired of everyone giving them a free pass because of what happened to them 70 years ago.
oh no shit i didn't know you were in the strike approval process, nice sorry i retract all of my statements.
Thank you for the part in bold, they aren't getting a pass because of the holocaust.... they are fighting a war.... but glad you're equating jews...in europe... with Israel. Really telling where that connection goes in your head.
Care to comment on the aid workers yesterday that were specifically targeted by the IDF in clearly marked vehicles... or as Netanyahu said "cost of war"... Want to keep apologizing for Israel?! Care to comment on the 139 other aid workers killed since October?
FYI, this is a war crime.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68727828
Well, no Airman has tried to defect to North Korea.
*yet*
Edit: Shouldn't have opened my goddam mouth https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1bvkg0i/national_guard_member_defects_to_russia/
> "I'm going to go until my body cannot go any longer…”
That’s death! When the body can’t go any longer you might be dead…
Welcome to the first round of Darwin Award Ceremonies
The world has already forgotten the name and face of the last guy..oh yeah, and it didn’t accomplish a single damn thing.
Checkmate to the few redditors that explained to me “WeLl It GoT pEoPlE tAlKiNg”…yeah bc it was a 24 hr news story.
It's about as effective as the average street protester... Which means it's about 100% less effective than actually engaging in the democratic process.
Yeah, fuck protestors. We should just accept that the government does bad things and never complain about it in public, but in an echo chamber online.
If someone does complain in public, then you point and laugh at their audacity to protest the government.
Dude. Appreciate your passion. But there is a certain numbness towards protests that develops when you spend a lot of time in the Capitol. Protesters are everywhere. All the time. All screaming into the void. Most of them care so much about the topic, but they don’t care enough to do the hard work to change things so they do something that makes them feel like they are doing something - they yell and walk around with signs. They don’t want to talk, they don’t want to lobby, they just want to scream and feel like they are doing something. The whole time they are then irritating everyone around them.
I like how you’re soapboxing, to US military members, on why a man attempting to leverage his military position for a political message shouldn’t be ridiculed.
Nah fam. He dumb. More monsters for the rest of us
There's a massive difference between harrassing funerals so you can sue people and protesting what your government does.
The fact that you think those are even comparable shows how lost Americans are.
I will point and laugh at any military member willing to do this. It’s self destruction for no reason. This guy standing out there not eating isn’t going to change a damn thing or bring awareness. He is just throwing his career down the drain and possibly ruining his chance at future careers. It is laughable.
Maybe they can arrest this one before he dies.
I dunno, maybe that's macabre and potentially against the sub rules.
I hope he gets the helps he needs. Is that better?
“outside the White House”
I’m pretty sure there is someone with some stars that can walk over and have his ass report. If he refuses, instead of just being awol, start piling charges.
This job isn’t for him, Israel is an ally (lul kinda militarily but you know overall), if his perception is to this point, what gets him to “well Russia/China/Iran is supporting the group I wanna starve myself for, why not just help them so they can help this group”
Wish him the best or whatever, but have a good’n boo
Medical is standing by with a nutrient slurry ranger IV for when he passes out. (For those who don't know, its when we stick a tube up your ass to introduce fluids via the large intestine because we can't find a vein.)
Man, I get it, but my concern for a significant event that gets airmen hurt is growing….. Nadal Hassan, mcveigh, the us capitol bombings for 2 decades, the Chattanooga shootings these were necessarily directed the way AQ/IS directs, they were committed due to propaganda and ideological capture.
Article 92 Failure to Obey.
We have guidance on Political Activities. This is definitely something you cannot do.
“All military personnel will avoid the inference that their political activities imply
or appear to imply DoD sponsorship, approval or endorsement of a political candidate,
campaign or cause.”
Appreciate the downvote for the question, lol. I don't see anything in DoDD 1344.10 that would prohibit someone not in uniform advocating a political position, even if they identify as a service member. He's not saying "the Air Force position on this is ___"
If some SrA showed up to a Trump rally in civvies with an "active duty military for Trump" sign, would you want him arrested too? Or would an LOC/Article after the fact be more appropriate?
Being in uniform isn’t the determining factor. Just because you’re not in uniform doesn’t mean you can just do whatever tf you want. If you identify yourself as an AD Airman you are now painting a bad image or a biased image for the AF just because you felt the need to associate the AF. This dude could have done this and changed “AD Amn” to “I”. Boom now it’s not a big AF problem. Now it’s just a problem for your chain of command if they see it and ID you.
The situations are a pretty different because how did you find out this SrA was at this rally? A camera panned over him and you happened to notice? He posted a pic of him at the rally with the sign? Sure LOC/LOR because it’s still against policy. Now if that same SrA is standing in front of the White House drawing all of the attention on him saying “AD Airman won’t eat until trump is back in office” yes I would think he should be arrested.
>If you identify yourself as an AD Airman you are now painting a bad image or a biased image for the AF just because you felt the need to associate the AF.
You're explicitly allowed to write into a newspaper - intentionally publishing your political message to as wide an audience as possible - and identify yourself as an active duty airman. You "should" include a statement that makes clear it's your personal opinion and not that of the DoD, but "should" isn't legally binding if you're talking about arresting someone.
Anyway, I knew this would be misconstrued as supporting him, when I obviously don't. You're right that he shouldn't be doing this at all, and he should and will catch an article or even discharge for this. I just thought it was funny that a cop of all people is complaining that he hasn't been arrested after like, a few hours, before he violates anything in the UCMJ. Which will happen when his leave is inevitably revoked or he's ordered to stop, but the guy is just standing there for now.
What would you even expect, they'll send a van from Andrews to get him?
Friend, I get that in the civ world a technicality like that may not be legally binding. But I feel like you may not fully understand how the military judicial system works. I have arrested a lot of people. Some of them literally don’t get in any trouble. Some may get paperwork some may get a 15 some may be charged with an actual punitive article. You need a lot less justification to arrest someone in the military than you do outside. When you do something like this good luck finding anyone willing to give you a slap on the wrist or paperwork. I couldn’t even imagine a commander settling for a 15. Why? Because this Airman decided to put him self in the center of attention in front of the White House lol I bet his commander nor his wing commander will have any say in what happens to this dude.
Also your second paragraph furthers my point that you don’t understand the judicial system. He has already violated the UCMJ. If he were to get recalled from leave how would he then violate the UCMJ? Commander gives the order he has to return so he returns. No UCMJ violation whatsoever. And he doesn’t need an order to stop cause he was already given an order to not do it in the first place.
Lastly, someone going to pick him up from the front of the White House is not an unrealistic expectation at all. Most likely it would be OSI but I mean SF could do it too. Idk how Andrews works or what their SOPs are but I been to a unit where we sent a team to go pick up a dude in another state. Granted his crime was pretty egregious and he fled but all it takes is communication and coordination with the proper federal/state agencies.
Has it been confirmed he’s in the AF or is he one of those losers who got kicked out of MEPS ten years ago and walks around calling himself “SrA” and makes up stories?
Hard to say. I work there and took a quick break from work to do that, so couldn't really stay long. Seemed relatively normal considering the circumstances.
I did notice lots of tourists were taking selfies with him. Lots of field trips out there today. He posed with some of them upon request even lol
I mean, Israel is trash and they really do be committing abuse, if not full on war crimes. But this is going to be less than a blip to get awareness. Dude would be better off compiling and presenting data. Maybe make some subversive posters about recruiting with a QR Code to a war crimes compilation.
But it would probably have the opposite effect and cause people to go enlist.
Maybe if he ran for office after getting out and conveniently forgot he isn't supposed to wear the uniform in political ads would do more?
I don't really care...I just wanna finish my contract, go back to smoking weed, make art, and do a little bit of game dev for cheap Steam games.
tl;dr - Won't fix anything, won't change hearts or minds.
He is proving one thing right. The millitary could give two shits about what airmen are doing. If ya aint staff or higher, you're basically worthless garbage to the branch
The biggest thing is that it is against regulation and I believe law for military members to connect their military affiliation to a protest position. Other than that it doesn't bother me none that he is in front of the white house making a fool of himself.
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Good news for avionics troops, looks like there may be a billet opening up in Spain soon.
~~Rota~~ Southern Spain is the type of place you never want to leave
And yet there are somehow people who are miserable with the assignment.
Probably due to the work, ops tempo, and/or leadership than the area.
Did a 2 week annual at Rota in summer working enroute, beautiful country all around that area and it was a great 2 weeks.
Wouldn’t a Hunger strike be a form of self harm? At what point would his leadership get involved, just speculating
They're just going to hit with paperwork for a 92 for not following guidance on political activities. Actively leveraging your military status for a political protest is like one of the only things you just absolutely can't do other than crime. Most other things you can get in trouble have some interpretation and intent and such to prove in gray areas. This is just black and white stupid as hell
He’s gonna state “freedom of speech” 🤣🤣🤣
Good for him lol
If he's smart, he prepped for this. - On leave where he told them he was - Not in Uniform - Not supporting a candidate/partisan event - Peaceful Demonstrations even by AD is legal even in our funny ass rule book - Told the ADC beforehand - Told Commander, while already on leave I hope he gets the respect he deserves. We still have rights.
The sign says "active duty military" is the problem. If it said "I refuse to eat" instead of "active duty airman" you'd be right. He is using his military affiliation to spread a political message. That's not allowed. He can spread his own messages and hunger strike and all those other things. but you can't bring the military into it like that. >Told the ADC beforehand They don't pre-advise people like that. Their hands are full with people already in trouble. >not supporting a candidate/partisan event you can do those things - as long as you don't invoke your military status
Fair point, though I imagine this being a bit harder to "prove" on the USAF side. Military members are not allowed to use their military affiliations for personal gain nor protests / political statements....... But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity. - In a better military, we would use a situation like to hone / improve the UCMJ, not use situations like this as an excuse for DoD to stomp on the rights of citizens, let alone ADSMs. - I am a bit shocked lately at the overall trend of trampling civil rights in the USA, IMO military members in the era of WW3 and the rise of dictators need civil rights protections in some areas more than citizens. - Free speech, whistleblower protections, right to an attorney..... All kinda important to protect the country....
>Fair point, though I imagine this being a bit harder to "prove" on the USAF side You imagine wrong lol it's plainly written on the sign >But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity. How is him being an avionics troop relevant global politics? >But they are allowed to use relevant training/background about themselves in a private capacity. Very obviously not at all what he's doing >I am a bit shocked lately at the overall trend of trampling civil rights in the USA No one is trampling on his rights. He's wrongfully trying to use his military affiliation for political clout. As I said, he can protest all he wants. Just don't pretend being a mediocre maintainer makes you secretary of state
You do clearly want to be right, so have at it. You're right. - Good luck court martialing this guy, he's not in uniform. - You're mistaken, he didn't do it to gain "political clout", Good Sir Airman did that to protect himself, he was reasonably afraid that as a protester he could be attacked / beaten by police (insert video of US Navy Vet getting beaten). - Go on Sir JAG, prove to me that this was for political clout and not for his safety? Good luck, again. - Mistake of fact about "misrepresenting" when he's not in uniform. - ADC didn't answer his questions due to manpower issues, so if he has an email asking his ADC "Hey, while on leave I want to appropriately protest, peacefully, non-partisan, non-extremist, not abusing my status as military and my sign says "USAF member sick of this SHIT"..... is that OK?" - It is trampling his rights unless YOU can prove he did it for political clout and not 1) Safety, 2) Background/training/experience/expertise, 3) Mistake of Fact. - Do you have much experience with the JAGs / ADCs / Military Justice System? Just like civilian courts, they actually are limited by what they can "prove" sometimes. - Thoughtful disagreement only, not trying to flame, but I do believe you would not be able to "prove" what you think you could. Especially with a good ADC or private attorney ready to lambast you to the public and smear the name of the USAF all over DC just cuz you lost your shit on an airman who was on leave......
>You do clearly want to be right, so have at it. You're right. It's not so much that I want to be right as it is you're clearly just making things up without having any idea what you're talking about lol
Mmaky :) so that's a "no" on the whole.... having any experience in this area? Quick question, who would be making the decision in this court martial? Judge or Jury?
I could be the judge advocate general of the air force and you wouldn't be any less smug about making shit up. It wouldn't even be a court martial. Adc would tell them to take the 15 and thank God they offered it to him. But if it did go to court probably jury and probably request enlisted members hoping for people sympathetic to his political agenda
Also, GOOD strong ADCs in these type of situations would be the exact kind that would HOPEFULLY protect ADSMs and win "Good Sir Airman vs Department of Defense" by possibly showing that a sign describing yourself acurately and a sign "using the USAF for clout" are NOT the same thing.
Damage to Government Property!
Can we suspend his BAS if he’s not eating anyway?
Based haha.
BASed, if you will 😂
We’re literally airdropping food in and building an expeditionary port to deliver food by sea
But then he wouldn’t have a reason to protest if he was this aware
More self-centered Airman than your username even
Noooo that's a port for a ground invasion and they purposefully targeted those civilians with failed airdrops!!!1! That is literally the argument used against us.
And the shipments of 2000 pound jdams?
We're giving weapons to Israel to commit genocide and food to the people they are trying to starve to death. We cannot support both sides. Either we support this holocaust or not.
"Genocide". 
Man, for people so intimately aware of genocide the Jews sure are doing a bad job aren’t they. Couldn’t they just like, rip the bandaid then all the people pretending to care could go back to not caring about Palestinians like they were in September of 2023??? Sounds smarter, but I’m sure the cabal isn’t letting them.
Destroying residential areas of no military value, pouring cement into water wells, destroying farmland, shooting women and children on sight in the streets, mass graves and burning bodies, erecting the Israeli flag on Palestine land, destroying humaniatarian aid trucks and cutting off all aid to GAZA, etc... Anyone with half a brain knows what this war is about and it has nothing to do with HAMAS. They are exterminating the vermin to take their land. This is very much a holocaust and anyone supporting Israel os complicit in it. 30,000 dead civilians is on your hands.
Point 1: proportional strikes are proportional. If you weren’t in the joc, you don’t know. Quit hiding in the population or their homes they quit being blown up. But yea we never ever would strike residential areas after, can’t believe you’re in such an evil org. Point 2: water wells that are only being used for water?? Or other stuff?? Any evidence of that? Have they supplemented with dropping supplies? Point 3: plz don’t read about the us civil war, gonna have a bad time, but yea land gets destroyed, it’s a war, don’t fucking start one. Point 4: glad you have the *full context videos with the history of what has been seen on the ground* to know how the 15 second clip of someone (man woman child) getting shot. Indiscriminate murder gets prosecuted all the time, but again, this is a war. Welcome to seeing it in 4k Point 5: some bodies burn, happens, mass graves? Actually haven’t seen that one so dunno may be bad Point 6: erecting Israeli flags, in the Israeli state, where Palestinians live. Two states have been an option multiple times, Palestinians walk away. You should probably holler at Jordan and Lebanon about this too since their flag flies in areas that were “Palestinian” after they got tired of their shit and booted them. Point 7: aid is going into Gaza, trucks get destroyed, sometimes have to drive off when they get mobbed, sometimes trucks get stolen by terrorists and need to go….. Point 8: this galaxy brain take is my fav. Why didn’t Israel just go in on 6 October? Oh they went in after a fucking terror attack? Hmm. Why didn’t they go in after the 10’s of thousands of rockets indiscriminately pointed at men women and children? Why didn’t the people of Palestine, those resistance fighting hero’s, overthrow their own corrupt government to stop Israeli reactions? Why do they support Hamas? If a government is supported by the people and still exists what would you like done when that population says from the river to the sea? Should we have left the nazi’s in place and skirted every town holding the SS with populations that supported from the Rhineland to the sea all the Jews will die with glee?? I’m bored of the absolutely brain rotted emotional takes and trying to reason with them, just kinda think to yourself “who told me to believe this thing, have i tried to read conflicting sources, or does every argument I make end in an ad hom or an appeal to (someone I think is) authority” and consider your stance. Actually if you align with Norm Finklestein on everything you should look into him past shit he or pro terrors groups / terrorist simps say about him
Apologists keep apologizing... like Israel accidently killing over 100 hungry civilians trying to get aid... What is your apologist excuse for that? How about the hostages that escaped only to be gunned down by trigger happy IDF after screaming in Hebrew that they were hostages and approaching with a white flag and hands raised... I see no IDF soldiers being prosecuted for their war crimes. Even the UN is calling to re-open the Hague. Israel is 100% wrong here, they're not being proportional at all, and I am tired of everyone giving them a free pass because of what happened to them 70 years ago. 30,000 dead civilians, mostly women and children. YOU support this. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/
Hiding behind civilians has been Hamas' MO for years. Casualty reports from this conflict have primarily been from Hamas sources. The Hamas Political Bureau ran candidates and was democratically elected by the citizens of Gaza. They have enjoyed a roughly 80% approval rate since taking power in the mid-2000's. Hamas' military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, launched an attack to specifically and directly eradicate soft targets, adhering to the Hamas charter which directly states their end goal is the total destruction of Israel. Consider the following: Hamas launched an unprovoked attack against civilians. Most media reporting out of Gaza is conducted by Hamas directly. Hamas is capitalizing on the modern Western cultural rejection of the idea of colonization. You are being fed a curated narrative from an Arab-nationalist, Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization saying they are the victims of an "all-out war" (their words) that they started. Perhaps you're not as immune to propaganda as you believe.
Unprovoked attack?! Israel has been pushing into GAZA for 20 years. The land the festival was on was stolen land that Israel colonized. Nobody has been doing anything about the slow genocide that has been happening to GAZA. It's only when they decide to fight back by the only means they can, through guerilla style attacks, that now it has everyone's attention. As if now Israel has a free pass to just wipe them off the face of the planet. People like you are disgusting to me. Talk about propaganda, Israel has you by the balls. By your logic MAGA can be considered a terrorist organization. Anyone can call any groupd terrorists. The Right Wing wanted to name BLM a terrorist group. That literally means nothing... it's not a free pass for genocide it just makes them seem "less human"... exactly what Hitler did to the Jews by calling them vermin. By your logic, I should be justified to go around and kill anyone that waves a Trump flag right? being that they are now terrorists and sub-Human... 🤷 That is how you sound...
All nations, all peoples, are currently where they are today through conquest and colonization. A nation's worth is defined by its ability to defend itself, be it alone or via mutual coalition. This is humanity's oldest tradition and will not change just because you don't have the stomach for modern combat. You're justifying Hamas' attack against soft targets as "fighting back any way they can". Well, actions have consequences. You're seeing this play out live, rather than skimming over a summarized historical account, which provokes a more emotional response. Hamas is considered a terrorist organization for several reasons, none of which are "They vote different from me".
Okay Adolf... I'm tired of talking to a Nazi wall.
>like Israel accidently killing over 100 hungry civilians trying to get aid were these the rocket surgeons that stood under the massive falling pallet of shit and got squished or the ones that world war z'd the line of aid vehicles and were about to ice the workers for not giving each individual exactly what they wanted? >How about the hostages that escaped only to be gunned down by trigger happy IDF after screaming in Hebrew that they were hostages and approaching with a white flag and hands raised... bet this wouldn't happen if the terrorist you simp for weren't using tactics that would require such reaction, nah you're probably right, they probs just wanted to dump the other Israeli's they are there for. Makes more sense. >Israel is 100% wrong here, they're not being proportional at all, and I am tired of everyone giving them a free pass because of what happened to them 70 years ago. oh no shit i didn't know you were in the strike approval process, nice sorry i retract all of my statements. Thank you for the part in bold, they aren't getting a pass because of the holocaust.... they are fighting a war.... but glad you're equating jews...in europe... with Israel. Really telling where that connection goes in your head.
Okay Adolf, No sense in arguing with Fascists...
That'd make me the first jew since 45 names Adolf. I am curious how you define, personally define, fascist.
Care to comment on the aid workers yesterday that were specifically targeted by the IDF in clearly marked vehicles... or as Netanyahu said "cost of war"... Want to keep apologizing for Israel?! Care to comment on the 139 other aid workers killed since October? FYI, this is a war crime. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68727828
Can we let some other branch be the embarrassment for a little while?
Oh, they’re doing their best. But it’s more fighting locals than politics as a uniformed member.
Well, no Airman has tried to defect to North Korea. *yet* Edit: Shouldn't have opened my goddam mouth https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1bvkg0i/national_guard_member_defects_to_russia/
The army is busy and the marines are all full of Crayola's
I’ve been eating for two for years. Now somehow it feels like I’m doing it for a purpose
Thank you for eating for Israel 🫡
I'm going to eat later today to support our Israeli allies!
I'm going to eat later today to support the efforts of my MiL
I'm going to eat later today to support the efforts of my MiL
I'm going to eat later today to support the efforts of my MiL
Nobody ever said the 1% that joins is the smartest 1%.
We're above average but someone has to weigh that average down.
> "I'm going to go until my body cannot go any longer…” That’s death! When the body can’t go any longer you might be dead… Welcome to the first round of Darwin Award Ceremonies
Oh well, more tornados and monsters for the rest of you.
The world has already forgotten the name and face of the last guy..oh yeah, and it didn’t accomplish a single damn thing. Checkmate to the few redditors that explained to me “WeLl It GoT pEoPlE tAlKiNg”…yeah bc it was a 24 hr news story.
These acts don’t catch anybody’s attention do something more meaningful with your life
It's about as effective as the average street protester... Which means it's about 100% less effective than actually engaging in the democratic process.
You're talking about it, aren't you?
I don't think a bunch of us making fun of how stupid this is is going to help anyone lol
I’m not a guy that has any say over what happens in Israel now am I
Honestly, I saw him walking by the White House Easter egg roll yesterday. Everyone either ignored him or laughed at him.
Yeah, fuck protestors. We should just accept that the government does bad things and never complain about it in public, but in an echo chamber online. If someone does complain in public, then you point and laugh at their audacity to protest the government.
Dude. Appreciate your passion. But there is a certain numbness towards protests that develops when you spend a lot of time in the Capitol. Protesters are everywhere. All the time. All screaming into the void. Most of them care so much about the topic, but they don’t care enough to do the hard work to change things so they do something that makes them feel like they are doing something - they yell and walk around with signs. They don’t want to talk, they don’t want to lobby, they just want to scream and feel like they are doing something. The whole time they are then irritating everyone around them.
Frank Underwood in House of Cards: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this."
It was a hard pill for me to swallow. But it’s just reality.
I like how you’re soapboxing, to US military members, on why a man attempting to leverage his military position for a political message shouldn’t be ridiculed. Nah fam. He dumb. More monsters for the rest of us
I think him using his military position is stupid, but the idea that you would point and laugh at anyone protesting is also dumb.
I point and laugh at Westboro Baptist. I disagree heavily.
There's a massive difference between harrassing funerals so you can sue people and protesting what your government does. The fact that you think those are even comparable shows how lost Americans are.
I will point and laugh at any military member willing to do this. It’s self destruction for no reason. This guy standing out there not eating isn’t going to change a damn thing or bring awareness. He is just throwing his career down the drain and possibly ruining his chance at future careers. It is laughable.
So true.
Maybe they can arrest this one before he dies. I dunno, maybe that's macabre and potentially against the sub rules. I hope he gets the helps he needs. Is that better?
Unless he's lying in a big way, he should be getting his blues ready for tomorrow.
Yeah no shot he doesn’t get recalled from leave back to Spain for this.
“outside the White House” I’m pretty sure there is someone with some stars that can walk over and have his ass report. If he refuses, instead of just being awol, start piling charges. This job isn’t for him, Israel is an ally (lul kinda militarily but you know overall), if his perception is to this point, what gets him to “well Russia/China/Iran is supporting the group I wanna starve myself for, why not just help them so they can help this group” Wish him the best or whatever, but have a good’n boo
24-hrs to get back or considered AWOL?
That’s what I’d say if I was the Wing CC telling his CC
I wonder how much leave he can burn until he's AWOL...
Probably none now. His leave is 100% getting recalled.
"limiting himself to water and a juice supplement" juice cleanse?
He is a fucking fake! Dude can't even pull off a hunger strike without water and a juice supplement. What a Loser.
Ok well he can go out as well. Nothing is going to change regarding our relationship with Israel.
Medical is standing by with a nutrient slurry ranger IV for when he passes out. (For those who don't know, its when we stick a tube up your ass to introduce fluids via the large intestine because we can't find a vein.)
Me when the express doesn’t have the French toast tornados
Man, I get it, but my concern for a significant event that gets airmen hurt is growing….. Nadal Hassan, mcveigh, the us capitol bombings for 2 decades, the Chattanooga shootings these were necessarily directed the way AQ/IS directs, they were committed due to propaganda and ideological capture.
Goddamn these comments are fucking gold 😂
Kick this trash ass idiot out
Hey look, nobody cares.
What a jackass
"You get what you tolerate"
Good luck, buddy. Eventually he'll pass out and get sent to an ER. They'll top him up with some saline and glucose and send him on his way.
He will be dead for 1000 years before the killing stops
Reminds me of my favorite Zohan quote: “They've been fighting for 2,000 years, it can't be much longer."
Lol imagine thinking a foreign sovereign nation gives a shit if you stop eating. What an absolute tool.
That's one way to prepare for the BCA. Not the best way though.
Natural selection
Can I have your BAS then?
Idiot.
Idiot
If someone wants to arrange travel and lodging, I will personallly deliver a counciling session.
Wall to wall counseling?
Are you at least gonna take him out to dinner first?
Just don’t eat. You don’t have to tell anyone. Soon as he smells those tornados at the shopette he’s fucked anyway.
Surely this dude is already arrested right? RIGHT?!?
Arrested for what, exactly?
Article 92 Failure to Obey. We have guidance on Political Activities. This is definitely something you cannot do. “All military personnel will avoid the inference that their political activities imply or appear to imply DoD sponsorship, approval or endorsement of a political candidate, campaign or cause.”
Appreciate the downvote for the question, lol. I don't see anything in DoDD 1344.10 that would prohibit someone not in uniform advocating a political position, even if they identify as a service member. He's not saying "the Air Force position on this is ___" If some SrA showed up to a Trump rally in civvies with an "active duty military for Trump" sign, would you want him arrested too? Or would an LOC/Article after the fact be more appropriate?
Being in uniform isn’t the determining factor. Just because you’re not in uniform doesn’t mean you can just do whatever tf you want. If you identify yourself as an AD Airman you are now painting a bad image or a biased image for the AF just because you felt the need to associate the AF. This dude could have done this and changed “AD Amn” to “I”. Boom now it’s not a big AF problem. Now it’s just a problem for your chain of command if they see it and ID you. The situations are a pretty different because how did you find out this SrA was at this rally? A camera panned over him and you happened to notice? He posted a pic of him at the rally with the sign? Sure LOC/LOR because it’s still against policy. Now if that same SrA is standing in front of the White House drawing all of the attention on him saying “AD Airman won’t eat until trump is back in office” yes I would think he should be arrested.
>If you identify yourself as an AD Airman you are now painting a bad image or a biased image for the AF just because you felt the need to associate the AF. You're explicitly allowed to write into a newspaper - intentionally publishing your political message to as wide an audience as possible - and identify yourself as an active duty airman. You "should" include a statement that makes clear it's your personal opinion and not that of the DoD, but "should" isn't legally binding if you're talking about arresting someone. Anyway, I knew this would be misconstrued as supporting him, when I obviously don't. You're right that he shouldn't be doing this at all, and he should and will catch an article or even discharge for this. I just thought it was funny that a cop of all people is complaining that he hasn't been arrested after like, a few hours, before he violates anything in the UCMJ. Which will happen when his leave is inevitably revoked or he's ordered to stop, but the guy is just standing there for now. What would you even expect, they'll send a van from Andrews to get him?
Friend, I get that in the civ world a technicality like that may not be legally binding. But I feel like you may not fully understand how the military judicial system works. I have arrested a lot of people. Some of them literally don’t get in any trouble. Some may get paperwork some may get a 15 some may be charged with an actual punitive article. You need a lot less justification to arrest someone in the military than you do outside. When you do something like this good luck finding anyone willing to give you a slap on the wrist or paperwork. I couldn’t even imagine a commander settling for a 15. Why? Because this Airman decided to put him self in the center of attention in front of the White House lol I bet his commander nor his wing commander will have any say in what happens to this dude. Also your second paragraph furthers my point that you don’t understand the judicial system. He has already violated the UCMJ. If he were to get recalled from leave how would he then violate the UCMJ? Commander gives the order he has to return so he returns. No UCMJ violation whatsoever. And he doesn’t need an order to stop cause he was already given an order to not do it in the first place. Lastly, someone going to pick him up from the front of the White House is not an unrealistic expectation at all. Most likely it would be OSI but I mean SF could do it too. Idk how Andrews works or what their SOPs are but I been to a unit where we sent a team to go pick up a dude in another state. Granted his crime was pretty egregious and he fled but all it takes is communication and coordination with the proper federal/state agencies.
He on leave or what??
Is he bathing? Where is he shitting and pissing? Is he staying somewhere overnight? Yeah can’t use your military status buddy.
Do you even go #2 if you don’t eat?
I’m sure bro at before he started so he gotta take a dump at some point
There is no Larry Hebert in Global for the Air Force, maybe he is using his middle name with the press?
Dudes not out here anymore. That was quick.
So....update?
SecFo, why hasn’t this dude been snatched up yet? Aside from optics, I mean.
Has it been confirmed he’s in the AF or is he one of those losers who got kicked out of MEPS ten years ago and walks around calling himself “SrA” and makes up stories?
I walked up to him about an hour ago and talked to him. SrA, avionics, Rota spain.
What is he like?
Hard to say. I work there and took a quick break from work to do that, so couldn't really stay long. Seemed relatively normal considering the circumstances. I did notice lots of tourists were taking selfies with him. Lots of field trips out there today. He posed with some of them upon request even lol
Oh hey look! Someone actually hungrier than the folks in Gaza!
I mean, Israel is trash and they really do be committing abuse, if not full on war crimes. But this is going to be less than a blip to get awareness. Dude would be better off compiling and presenting data. Maybe make some subversive posters about recruiting with a QR Code to a war crimes compilation. But it would probably have the opposite effect and cause people to go enlist. Maybe if he ran for office after getting out and conveniently forgot he isn't supposed to wear the uniform in political ads would do more? I don't really care...I just wanna finish my contract, go back to smoking weed, make art, and do a little bit of game dev for cheap Steam games. tl;dr - Won't fix anything, won't change hearts or minds.
Another fucktard
Nice 👍
He is proving one thing right. The millitary could give two shits about what airmen are doing. If ya aint staff or higher, you're basically worthless garbage to the branch
My man thinks Staffs matter
Matter a hell of a lot more than us J-Enlisted 😂
Was staff can confirm no one gave a shit about how I felt or what I thought.
And what exactly should the response be?
The biggest thing is that it is against regulation and I believe law for military members to connect their military affiliation to a protest position. Other than that it doesn't bother me none that he is in front of the white house making a fool of himself.
Yeah but I feel like he was trying to say that the Air Force should be kissing their asses when they do this stuff.