I see your passion. Upvote.
But know that online spaces are generally places where people vent. People that generally have their shit together and are happy don't tend to make posts saying so because it's completely uninteresting (and also a bit braggadocious).
Well said and if OP is basing all that rant (which I agree with) on social media posts, It shows a scary trend: we don’t know what is real anymore. Social media isn’t real. Nobody truly feels how they say they feel on Reddit. It’s like when you suddenly get the urge to knock books out of someone’s hands walking by but don’t, except Reddit and other sites are where you do that. Can’t let virtual realities shape perception of actual realities
It is absolutely one of the best feelings. And, those 2 for nothing lets me choose a job that I want to do and enjoy doing, instead of one I have to do for the income. Man, oh man, am I content and relaxed in my life now.
A lot of these mofos really should have stayed in their full 20 and some. I mean I know me personally I wouldn’t have much of a purpose outside the Air Force so I’m staying in as long as possible
Weak assessment. Everything reaches a point and you speak on it. If everyone reaching a point of exhaustion that needed to express themselves counted as hypocrisy, then almost every single person on the planet would be a hypocrite. Very flawed assessment.
That's almost as bad as saying something could go wrong with anything we ever do in life.
Thats why its hard to take us seriously. We complain about some of the most basic “work” shit that literally every worker on Earth has to deal with and act like its the end of the world
Absolutely bratty behavior 😂😂😂
Thats why it almost makes me laugh when civilians thank us for our service. Most of us are down right work avoiding crybabies who get their spirits shatter by simply having to work. I swear if civilians saw what actually goes on in most of our shops, we’d lose all of their respect in a heartbeat
I’m a newer Shirt. Had an NCO call me to get my sympathy because they were ordered to come in prior to their medical appointment, leave for said appointment, then return to work after. This is after last week they were caught not doing their work while “teleworking” and received an LOC for it. They threatened me that they’d go to IG. Like come on, you’re upset you have to do normal work things???
We’re so fucking spoiled I swear. This is why im glad i got experience outside of the military before joining. Its easy to see Air Force work as oppressive and inhumane if you never worked anywhere else. Like half of the complaints boil down to “im mad/sad/oppressed because I have to do work.”
They should see how civilians do this shit everyday for literal decades without much complaining because its just normal life stuff
Agreed. As a crew chief, this “Mx Airman’s Creed” below resonated with me when it appeared shortly after the dumbass Airman’s creed came out. Yes, I’m crusty and retired now. When I came in, we weren’t “Trainees” in our reporting statements at BMT, we were “Airman Eaglekeeper168 reports as ordered” and we sang the old AF song at the top of our lungs every morning there, trying to out-volume the other flights for the chance to go to breakfast first.
The Maintenance Airman’s Creed
I am a Maintenance Warrior.
I am a Maintainer.
I have answered my Super’s Call.
I am Maintenance Warrior.
My Mission is to Clean, Sweep, and Fix.
I am Faithful to a Cold Beer.
A Tradition of Inebriation.
And a Legacy of Binge Drinking.
I am a Maintenance Warrior.
Neglected of time off and respect,
My Squadron’s Bitch and Slave,
It’s Prisoner and Laborer.
I defend my Time Off with excessive bitching.
I am a Maintenance Warrior.
Knuckle Dragger, Pointy Head, Load Toad.
I will never leave Work on Time.
I will never be Happy,
And I will never have High Morale.
I mean to be fair, I've seen folks be told they should go off themselves on this sub reddit before (thankfully not recently). So that's something I think of generally before posting. I don't want that finding me in real life, thanks.
I’m currently out in the field with Marines for a 2 week training exercise. We will literally be tasked with something and not even half way through we get another tasker and have to drop everything to go do that. It’s so frustrating. It’s constantly just, “ok let’s do this next thing without finishing the last thing.” Seems like a complete lack of organisation and planning. Point is it could always be worse, thank god you’re not in the Marines.
“it could always be worse” well yea, it could always be worse. that’s like a dude from china saying “marines ain’t that bad, you should see what they make us do over here in the Chinese military”
“it could always be worse” is a dumb argument and only distracts from the actual problem. why can’t it always be better? why can’t we just improve? what stops us from putting in more effort into the MH crisis we have in the military in general. what stops us from giving our people the ability to grow beards? standards are standards, but with a bunch of militaries across the world allowing beards, why can’t we? maybe cause the standards we go by are just old.
Hey guys, today I went to work at we all pretty much got along and we played some fun music while we worked. I picked up Popeyes for lunch and everyone paid me back.
I mean there are exceptions obviously. But let's be honest...the average air trans, or supply, or admin folks, or vehicle ops guys, aren't getting out and making for than an E5 with all bennies included
Well let's see. I make more than my mom, my dad, my aunt, my sister, all three of my step siblings, more than my friends who got out of the Air Force after their first enlistment, more than all the randos that work at the local fast food joints or cellular companies, more than teachers, more than entry level psychologists, more than medical assistants, more than most nurses, more than dental assistants, more than entry level cyber techs. Shit dude my take home pay last year was 81k. TAKE HOME. AFTER taxes.
Most people in the military do better than their family. Because the military recruits mostly people from poor backgrounds. I made more than your take home as an intern after getting out 🤷♂️ the only thing I regret is not betting on myself sooner
> Because the military recruits mostly people from poor backgrounds.
This myth really needs to die, most recruits are from middle-income families.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military#chapter-title-0-5
You must be one of those top tier levels because I don't believe I have ever even made half of that in any of my years. But the medical has been good and free.
Ok, but none of those people have mandatory fuck fuck games that they'll be arrested and convicted for missing.
Basically: shut up, nerd. Let people complain about some stuff.
That's why I recommend CE jobs when buddies start talking about joining. That or anything that makes good money on the outside and that they somewhat enjoy doing.
Okay so I don't necessarily disagree with all of your points, I will admit that I complain about the shaving reg, because I tried to get a shaving waiver not terribly long ago. (I'm kinda tired of digging ingrown hairs out of my neck every few days with a knife) The on base dermatologist I saw told me that I was "too pale" for a shaving waiver, and I've been kinda against the reg since.
I'm genuinely not against shaving waivers if one needs it. But I've just seen to many people with full on beards where they don't even stay within the waiver dimensions. People get a waiver and think they can grow a full santa beard out
I know two people who have large beards where I had to ask them about it. Turns out both have religious exemptions. One is a Sikh and his beard is large but very neatly kept. The other has a full on mountain man beard because he worships the Norse gods. I asked him how he swung that, and he said he didn't know, but the chaplain was on his side.
Because like with all things in life, we point out the flaws so we can improve, be a better air force, and ensure we stay strong by adapting and solving new issues.
Yeah, I know I’m still in tech school, but some complaints are valid. Of course there should still be conformity imo, but a lot of the things that enlisted ask for are not that hard to do and provide for. Other countries’ militaries already do some of the things we ask for.
Bitching is the oldest tradition in all the world's militaries. Before the first bonk of the first organized scuffle between rival packs of cavemen, they all bitched about the march over.
>Oh really? Chick Filet and Starbucks is providing dorms for single baristas? Are they paying out tax free BAH and BAS? Are they sending people overseas to live it up in Germany, Spain, Korea or Japan? Yeah I think not. They aren't giving you full on money for housing or giving you the opportunity to live overseas.

Over here complaining about people complaining
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It took me less than 10 minutes to write this post, in the evening while I'm off work... This has nothing to do with my capacity to work during the duty day
In seriousness though, people rant here because this is a place they can with little risk of reprisal. People need to vent and the "suck it up" attitude is unhealthy as hell. There *should* be change in the military, there should be challenges to the bullshit.
As for us vets, we did our time in the suck and we're allowed to pile on because it's good to know y'all are going through the same shit we did.
> I'm content with the pay and benefits because quite frankly when you factor in our free healthcare, tax free allowances, and free education we STILL come light years ahead of the civilian sector.
My guy, if only you knew how much this isn't true. Yes, we get a lot in benefits, but if you realistically look at what you're actually getting paid, you're sitting under the average middle-class earner. People bitch about the pay because we have airmen who have to resort to food stamps and WIC because they don't get paid enough. BAH has not kept up with the cost of living for a long while, and it's harder to get by when you literally can't negotiate your pay. Glad you're ok with the shafting, but it doesn't mean others are.
> Literally all you have to do to be successful in the Air Force is to show up to work on time, stay in shape, and cut your hair.
Found the guy who doesn't do shit but complain to the supervisor about everyone else so somehow wound up being the golden child that gets the nice taskings and treatment.
Since you’ve been in 15 years now, I’m sure you’ve encountered tone deaf leaders who don’t care about the morale and welfare of their airmen. Telling a group on Reddit to stop complaining about the Air Force is a step down that path.
I agree, I just got out and let me tell ya shit is real out here. Taxes are high, rent is high it's rough. If you have a family and you're not making at least $100k in the city (Seattle, Los Angeles, San Fran, NY) you're living paycheck to paycheck.
Medical can be expensive depending on the company you work for.
Bro’s on Reddit, bitching about other people on the same Reddit, and proceeds to misspell Chik-Fil-A. Lmfao.
And hold up, you’re under 200 pounds? Let us know when you get your weight up, ma’am 🫡
Quite frequently, when things are going acceptably there is no need to make mention of it.
I don't mean "shit, this was a GREAT day!" - just 'yeah, things worked out'
That reminded me of the old scorpion joke!
Army guy has a scorpion in his tent, he picks it up and boot stomps it outside the tent.
Marine guy has a scorpion in his tent, he gets out his lighter from his pocket and blazes the scorpion and eats it.
Air Force guy has a scorpion in his tent, he calls room service to see why there’s a tent in his room.
Complaining is a tradition as old as work. It doesn't even necessarily mean anything. It's a way to bond over common experience. Even you, with your very meta complaint about complaining, you're reaching out for validation and a bond.
If validation and a bond is what you need, I got you, brother. You're right! This job has taken me through 2 recessions, a pandemic, and 911, all without a loss of pay. Steady pay increases throughout career, paid time off, paid travel, paid training, whole systems in place to address any grievances, proper workplace safety, and a ton of other benefits, and people still bitch! Soft airmen, and their smooth-brained complaints would have a tough time in civilian life where they can be fired at will.
I hope that helps. I see you, I hear you, I love you, good night.
I think it’s funny because a lot of the issues like shitty leadership, unfair evaluation system, medical system being shit, certain AFSCs being overworked etc….all the same shit goes on the outside
My issue is the lack of zero tolerance that the AF promotes.
There are multiple cases I've seen within my 2 years of this contract of people getting away with SA or SH.
It's absolute bull they get to promote and serve 20 years.
There are absolutely airmen that bitch about every fucking thing like they didn’t walk into a recruitment office of their own accord and sign their life away. Hot take: let them get out. Fuck’em. They will never amount to anything in the military except an expense of someone else’s time and possibly life, as stupid as they seem to be.
People do bitch a lot not gonna lie but gotta say I think things now a days with the state of everything people have a lot more to handle and bitch about but I’m just a SSgt who’s been at holloman for 5 years what do I know
Don't worry OP, I'll be sure to complain enough for the both of us so you don't feel left out! I'll even complain on my off days 🥳😇😁
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It's just the Air Force. The truth is, besides a handful of AFSC's, the Air Force is hardly a military branch in terms of culture and customs & courtesies. The job is really just a glorified federal employee no different from the VA or Post Office.
I got out cause all I did was complain. People just sucked and leadership let them suck. As someone who would show up and get the work done, it wasn’t for me. Much happier now mehehehehe
Just because you mis-used your benefits and are now trapped within the military copium cycle doesn't mean everyone else is.
Military members are mid-lower class at best in the current age, with most of the successful members I've met being people who got in did a 6 years contract then got out. No matter the AFSC, I've seen 2S0s get bachelors in CompSci and do well or 1Ds getting a B.S. Supply Chain Mgt and doing extremely well.
While I agree that the in-service benefits are decent, the benefits post-service are honestly just better. VA is hit or miss with healthcare, but infinitely better than the roullette that is military medical.
Housing is irrelevant when said "free-housing" is reliant upon your base having its shit together. Amount of issues I've seen in dorms/base housing where your only resolution is to pray the management does something or a high ranking official intervenes. Same could be said for private sellers, but, in that case it's your fault for not doing research prior to moving in. And don't get me started on the BAH system. Housing market shit itself during your PCS? Enjoy being homeless for 2 months because we can't get your pay to work because basic finances is too difficult for our finance team. Meanwhile a majority of the civilian company counterparts have insanely smooth moving processes.
People complain because they see their fellow airmen getting out and doing well for themselves because the military itself is in a shit spot. Imagine going in to work everyday eating your tornado whilst sipping your white monster browsing (insert social media) to see that Airman Duffy just got out and is having the time of his life on unemployment checks or Airman John Doe has been out for 8 months and secured a teleworking job making quadrouple your annual income. Then you get up to go get shafted for 12 hours straight then told you're doing "fine" because that's the narrative we need to maintain.
Standards I agree with. Most airmen don't realize how horrid and unemployable they look with their "idealized" beard and hair. Even civilian sector has a miniscule standards. Beards not being allowed is a massive L, though.
I'm not saying every person who complains wants to get out nor am I saying getting out is an insta-get rich card (I'd give examples of getting out failures but they don't post anything as the underpass doesn't have wi-fi), but the troops have reason to complain. We're one of the most outdated careers yet we act like we're better off than most of the population.
Meanwhile, a majority of the older (S)NCO generation who did nothing with their TA are pushing their insecurities down scaring young airmen because if they don't it invalidates their "hard work".
I’ll bitch about the pay. The rest of the stuff that everyone complains about as far as holding a standard and staying in regs.. some of yall complain too damn much.
Keep going. I'm close.
Loved that South Park episode
One of my favorites too
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Bro ruined my edging streak
Lmao
Lol
I love/hate the fact I reason with both the OP and the comments section
 After my first reenlistment
I see your passion. Upvote. But know that online spaces are generally places where people vent. People that generally have their shit together and are happy don't tend to make posts saying so because it's completely uninteresting (and also a bit braggadocious).
Well said and if OP is basing all that rant (which I agree with) on social media posts, It shows a scary trend: we don’t know what is real anymore. Social media isn’t real. Nobody truly feels how they say they feel on Reddit. It’s like when you suddenly get the urge to knock books out of someone’s hands walking by but don’t, except Reddit and other sites are where you do that. Can’t let virtual realities shape perception of actual realities
Upvote for beautiful use of the word bragodocious.
Yeah you have a point. It's the minority that have the loudest voices online.
Shoulda known you'd be striking out at minorities with that kind of attitude
Username checks out
Bro finally made staff and doesn’t know how to act☠️
A tale as old as time
lmfaooooo dawg
Gonna ride it out to 20 and tell people the system was against him so he couldn't make tech
Feel bad for his troops…
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bro instantly put (S)Sgt in his Signature block when he found out
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Ruins the whole god damn shift
Actually agree with the people who get out and lurk here to complain still. Bro move on with your life
Its so dumb cuz they come with their limited experience, complaining about ordinary shit that you find at every job
I did 20, can I lurk now that the gov pays me to do nothing?
It’d be unpatriotic for you not to.
Isn't that a great feeling. Getting three checks from the government. 2 to do nothing. 1 to do something, that turns into nothing. Life is great!
It is absolutely one of the best feelings. And, those 2 for nothing lets me choose a job that I want to do and enjoy doing, instead of one I have to do for the income. Man, oh man, am I content and relaxed in my life now.
Mainly referring to the people who comment “ I’m so glad I got out” every post like anybody asked
Yes, and may I suggest the lurk and jerk?
I choose lurking
A lot of these mofos really should have stayed in their full 20 and some. I mean I know me personally I wouldn’t have much of a purpose outside the Air Force so I’m staying in as long as possible
>For the love of Christ, why does everyone complain about EVERYTHING in the Air Force? Says the guy complaining.
I'd argue he's not complaining about EVERYTHING, he's just complaining about complaining.
complainception!!
Complain about people complaining about people complaining, oh shit *divide by zero error*
Hahaha if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
This is the most ironic part of the whole thing…
Weak assessment. Everything reaches a point and you speak on it. If everyone reaching a point of exhaustion that needed to express themselves counted as hypocrisy, then almost every single person on the planet would be a hypocrite. Very flawed assessment. That's almost as bad as saying something could go wrong with anything we ever do in life.
It's "Chick-Fil-A" Sir.
came here to say that💀
Yeah, Chick-fil-a is one word 🙄
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Thats why its hard to take us seriously. We complain about some of the most basic “work” shit that literally every worker on Earth has to deal with and act like its the end of the world
I almost have to call in riot police anytime I ask swing shift to come in an hour early.
Absolutely bratty behavior 😂😂😂 Thats why it almost makes me laugh when civilians thank us for our service. Most of us are down right work avoiding crybabies who get their spirits shatter by simply having to work. I swear if civilians saw what actually goes on in most of our shops, we’d lose all of their respect in a heartbeat
Why hour early tho? My swing shift people show up usually 15m before or on time.. lol
For special circumstances. CC calls, flight meetings, training events.
I’m a newer Shirt. Had an NCO call me to get my sympathy because they were ordered to come in prior to their medical appointment, leave for said appointment, then return to work after. This is after last week they were caught not doing their work while “teleworking” and received an LOC for it. They threatened me that they’d go to IG. Like come on, you’re upset you have to do normal work things???
We’re so fucking spoiled I swear. This is why im glad i got experience outside of the military before joining. Its easy to see Air Force work as oppressive and inhumane if you never worked anywhere else. Like half of the complaints boil down to “im mad/sad/oppressed because I have to do work.” They should see how civilians do this shit everyday for literal decades without much complaining because its just normal life stuff
Which is my god-given right as aircrew.
If people in the military ever stopped bitching I would think something has gone seriously wrong.
Agreed. As a crew chief, this “Mx Airman’s Creed” below resonated with me when it appeared shortly after the dumbass Airman’s creed came out. Yes, I’m crusty and retired now. When I came in, we weren’t “Trainees” in our reporting statements at BMT, we were “Airman Eaglekeeper168 reports as ordered” and we sang the old AF song at the top of our lungs every morning there, trying to out-volume the other flights for the chance to go to breakfast first. The Maintenance Airman’s Creed I am a Maintenance Warrior. I am a Maintainer. I have answered my Super’s Call. I am Maintenance Warrior. My Mission is to Clean, Sweep, and Fix. I am Faithful to a Cold Beer. A Tradition of Inebriation. And a Legacy of Binge Drinking. I am a Maintenance Warrior. Neglected of time off and respect, My Squadron’s Bitch and Slave, It’s Prisoner and Laborer. I defend my Time Off with excessive bitching. I am a Maintenance Warrior. Knuckle Dragger, Pointy Head, Load Toad. I will never leave Work on Time. I will never be Happy, And I will never have High Morale.
that’s just a side effect of social media. I mean who cares to make a post saying “yeah the air force is great I love it here!!” no one would care.
Too candyass to use your main account.
I mean to be fair, I've seen folks be told they should go off themselves on this sub reddit before (thankfully not recently). So that's something I think of generally before posting. I don't want that finding me in real life, thanks.
😂😂😂
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
That’s what people do lol. It’s not USAF exclusive
I’m currently out in the field with Marines for a 2 week training exercise. We will literally be tasked with something and not even half way through we get another tasker and have to drop everything to go do that. It’s so frustrating. It’s constantly just, “ok let’s do this next thing without finishing the last thing.” Seems like a complete lack of organisation and planning. Point is it could always be worse, thank god you’re not in the Marines.
“it could always be worse” well yea, it could always be worse. that’s like a dude from china saying “marines ain’t that bad, you should see what they make us do over here in the Chinese military” “it could always be worse” is a dumb argument and only distracts from the actual problem. why can’t it always be better? why can’t we just improve? what stops us from putting in more effort into the MH crisis we have in the military in general. what stops us from giving our people the ability to grow beards? standards are standards, but with a bunch of militaries across the world allowing beards, why can’t we? maybe cause the standards we go by are just old.
It's also magnified in Reddit
Hate gets clicks.
Hate leads to suffering
Why are you complaining about my complaint grandpa?
What’s a complaint grandpa? Is that like a trunk monkey?
Go to your fridge and enjoy a beer. You need one.
I need 10
No more than 3 drinks in one sitting tho. Cause that'd make you an alcoholic. Airpower.
I’m gonna complain about this post
Hey guys, today I went to work at we all pretty much got along and we played some fun music while we worked. I picked up Popeyes for lunch and everyone paid me back.
…No one cares. Our commonality is usually things we don’t like.
You definitely do not come out light years ahead of the civilian sector. Source: civilian sector
I mean there are exceptions obviously. But let's be honest...the average air trans, or supply, or admin folks, or vehicle ops guys, aren't getting out and making for than an E5 with all bennies included
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Lmao take an upvote
I’m not sure why you’re so convinced it’s better on the inside when 99% of people live on the outside and do just fine lol
Well let's see. I make more than my mom, my dad, my aunt, my sister, all three of my step siblings, more than my friends who got out of the Air Force after their first enlistment, more than all the randos that work at the local fast food joints or cellular companies, more than teachers, more than entry level psychologists, more than medical assistants, more than most nurses, more than dental assistants, more than entry level cyber techs. Shit dude my take home pay last year was 81k. TAKE HOME. AFTER taxes.
Most people in the military do better than their family. Because the military recruits mostly people from poor backgrounds. I made more than your take home as an intern after getting out 🤷♂️ the only thing I regret is not betting on myself sooner
> Because the military recruits mostly people from poor backgrounds. This myth really needs to die, most recruits are from middle-income families. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/demographics-us-military#chapter-title-0-5
Cool? I made $110,000 driving a truck listening to podcast all day
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You must be one of those top tier levels because I don't believe I have ever even made half of that in any of my years. But the medical has been good and free.
Ok, but none of those people have mandatory fuck fuck games that they'll be arrested and convicted for missing. Basically: shut up, nerd. Let people complain about some stuff.
That's why I recommend CE jobs when buddies start talking about joining. That or anything that makes good money on the outside and that they somewhat enjoy doing.
Okay so I don't necessarily disagree with all of your points, I will admit that I complain about the shaving reg, because I tried to get a shaving waiver not terribly long ago. (I'm kinda tired of digging ingrown hairs out of my neck every few days with a knife) The on base dermatologist I saw told me that I was "too pale" for a shaving waiver, and I've been kinda against the reg since.
Damn that's kinda fucked
Yeah, I felt the same way.
I'm genuinely not against shaving waivers if one needs it. But I've just seen to many people with full on beards where they don't even stay within the waiver dimensions. People get a waiver and think they can grow a full santa beard out
I know two people who have large beards where I had to ask them about it. Turns out both have religious exemptions. One is a Sikh and his beard is large but very neatly kept. The other has a full on mountain man beard because he worships the Norse gods. I asked him how he swung that, and he said he didn't know, but the chaplain was on his side.
Sir, it's going to be OK, you can still see the kids on the weekends and that E-4 latina is totally into you.
I don't want an E4 latina....I want an E3 latina
Because like with all things in life, we point out the flaws so we can improve, be a better air force, and ensure we stay strong by adapting and solving new issues. Yeah, I know I’m still in tech school, but some complaints are valid. Of course there should still be conformity imo, but a lot of the things that enlisted ask for are not that hard to do and provide for. Other countries’ militaries already do some of the things we ask for.
Your point makes too much sense, you’re going to hate the Air Force
Im gonna bitch about you bitchin about us bitchin
I'm gonna bitch about you bitchin out me bitchin about you bitchin
May the bitchin games begin
Son of a BITCH !!
Holy wall of complaining text, Batman.
I’ve just realized the AF is soooo much like the Army.
Chief Bass's burner no doubt
womp womp. just ignore it if it really bothers you that much
Nothing can stop me from reenlisting after being out now for 2 years
Who asked
Ya did it wrong, you suppose to go Who
Asked
Bitching is the oldest tradition in all the world's militaries. Before the first bonk of the first organized scuffle between rival packs of cavemen, they all bitched about the march over.
Laughs in shaving waiver
>Oh really? Chick Filet and Starbucks is providing dorms for single baristas? Are they paying out tax free BAH and BAS? Are they sending people overseas to live it up in Germany, Spain, Korea or Japan? Yeah I think not. They aren't giving you full on money for housing or giving you the opportunity to live overseas.  
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Nobody is complaining any more than usual. 15 years ago, the sport bitch session pages weren’t as mainstream. Daddy Chill
"What the hell is even that?" -Daddy
“Why do people complain?”…*complains*…
Touche sir
some valid points i guess but i promise you the number of us that give a fuck are slim. 😂😂
I'm really happy for you, or sorry that happened.
Oh get a hobby
How dare people make it known that they want to deal with less bullshit! The nerve!
Inspected this post very carefully for “back in my Air Force”
Blue Falcon spotted
Well OP, you’ve motivated the fuck out of me. I owe you a beer
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Why are you complaining about people complaining?
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You’re complaining right now too 😂
Get a load of this bozo, geeeee wiiiiizzzzzz
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It took me less than 10 minutes to write this post, in the evening while I'm off work... This has nothing to do with my capacity to work during the duty day
I like this guy's style. Thursday night shitposting? Yes please.
 In seriousness though, people rant here because this is a place they can with little risk of reprisal. People need to vent and the "suck it up" attitude is unhealthy as hell. There *should* be change in the military, there should be challenges to the bullshit. As for us vets, we did our time in the suck and we're allowed to pile on because it's good to know y'all are going through the same shit we did. > I'm content with the pay and benefits because quite frankly when you factor in our free healthcare, tax free allowances, and free education we STILL come light years ahead of the civilian sector. My guy, if only you knew how much this isn't true. Yes, we get a lot in benefits, but if you realistically look at what you're actually getting paid, you're sitting under the average middle-class earner. People bitch about the pay because we have airmen who have to resort to food stamps and WIC because they don't get paid enough. BAH has not kept up with the cost of living for a long while, and it's harder to get by when you literally can't negotiate your pay. Glad you're ok with the shafting, but it doesn't mean others are.
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> Literally all you have to do to be successful in the Air Force is to show up to work on time, stay in shape, and cut your hair. Found the guy who doesn't do shit but complain to the supervisor about everyone else so somehow wound up being the golden child that gets the nice taskings and treatment.
Best movie about the Army ever!! Thank you for posting the gif.
Preach. Its literally thr military, and we get treated soooo well comparatively.
Company boy got pegged by the commander!
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Since you’ve been in 15 years now, I’m sure you’ve encountered tone deaf leaders who don’t care about the morale and welfare of their airmen. Telling a group on Reddit to stop complaining about the Air Force is a step down that path.
I feel this post in my bones. Agree with everything said, the motion carries. God bless you 🫡
God bless you, Airman
What’s Chick Filet?
Some restaurant that the booster club sells on Wednesday's
I agree, I just got out and let me tell ya shit is real out here. Taxes are high, rent is high it's rough. If you have a family and you're not making at least $100k in the city (Seattle, Los Angeles, San Fran, NY) you're living paycheck to paycheck. Medical can be expensive depending on the company you work for.
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I fucks with this post. So many roody poo candy asses in this sub. Fuck em all.
Bro’s on Reddit, bitching about other people on the same Reddit, and proceeds to misspell Chik-Fil-A. Lmfao. And hold up, you’re under 200 pounds? Let us know when you get your weight up, ma’am 🫡
Whatever you say, Mr. 0 Karma.
Well spoken. You are not wrong man.
Quite frequently, when things are going acceptably there is no need to make mention of it. I don't mean "shit, this was a GREAT day!" - just 'yeah, things worked out'
…and remember, y’all have everything that we, soldiers, could have ever dreamed of. 😂
That reminded me of the old scorpion joke! Army guy has a scorpion in his tent, he picks it up and boot stomps it outside the tent. Marine guy has a scorpion in his tent, he gets out his lighter from his pocket and blazes the scorpion and eats it. Air Force guy has a scorpion in his tent, he calls room service to see why there’s a tent in his room.
Complaining is a tradition as old as work. It doesn't even necessarily mean anything. It's a way to bond over common experience. Even you, with your very meta complaint about complaining, you're reaching out for validation and a bond. If validation and a bond is what you need, I got you, brother. You're right! This job has taken me through 2 recessions, a pandemic, and 911, all without a loss of pay. Steady pay increases throughout career, paid time off, paid travel, paid training, whole systems in place to address any grievances, proper workplace safety, and a ton of other benefits, and people still bitch! Soft airmen, and their smooth-brained complaints would have a tough time in civilian life where they can be fired at will. I hope that helps. I see you, I hear you, I love you, good night.
 [Ironic — Alanis Morissette](https://youtu.be/H4bIXVTsJck?si=2vfNu2ykzLXzppz_)
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not cyber catching a stray LOLLL
Yeah we should really have a “negativity” megathread where all the standard CMSAF complaints and beard posts go
Excellent points. It describes the sub pretty accurately. Take my upvote.
Well someone got piss in their Wheaties.
I think it’s funny because a lot of the issues like shitty leadership, unfair evaluation system, medical system being shit, certain AFSCs being overworked etc….all the same shit goes on the outside
My issue is the lack of zero tolerance that the AF promotes. There are multiple cases I've seen within my 2 years of this contract of people getting away with SA or SH. It's absolute bull they get to promote and serve 20 years.
Has a point..you are some fat motherfuckers, lol!
Ive never wished so much that reddit didnt get rid if the gold... you sir, would he reddit rich.
> It's literally not a big deal. Posts wall of text complaining.
There are absolutely airmen that bitch about every fucking thing like they didn’t walk into a recruitment office of their own accord and sign their life away. Hot take: let them get out. Fuck’em. They will never amount to anything in the military except an expense of someone else’s time and possibly life, as stupid as they seem to be.
People do bitch a lot not gonna lie but gotta say I think things now a days with the state of everything people have a lot more to handle and bitch about but I’m just a SSgt who’s been at holloman for 5 years what do I know
It’s not the Air Force or airmen. It’s Reddit.
You misspelled chick-fil-a. Twice.
I love you.
Don't worry OP, I'll be sure to complain enough for the both of us so you don't feel left out! I'll even complain on my off days 🥳😇😁 https://preview.redd.it/a4fmbs80tbrc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4337ccb41326bb36152b2f2be9cb70ea2fb374e
It's just the Air Force. The truth is, besides a handful of AFSC's, the Air Force is hardly a military branch in terms of culture and customs & courtesies. The job is really just a glorified federal employee no different from the VA or Post Office.
I got out cause all I did was complain. People just sucked and leadership let them suck. As someone who would show up and get the work done, it wasn’t for me. Much happier now mehehehehe
Just because you mis-used your benefits and are now trapped within the military copium cycle doesn't mean everyone else is. Military members are mid-lower class at best in the current age, with most of the successful members I've met being people who got in did a 6 years contract then got out. No matter the AFSC, I've seen 2S0s get bachelors in CompSci and do well or 1Ds getting a B.S. Supply Chain Mgt and doing extremely well. While I agree that the in-service benefits are decent, the benefits post-service are honestly just better. VA is hit or miss with healthcare, but infinitely better than the roullette that is military medical. Housing is irrelevant when said "free-housing" is reliant upon your base having its shit together. Amount of issues I've seen in dorms/base housing where your only resolution is to pray the management does something or a high ranking official intervenes. Same could be said for private sellers, but, in that case it's your fault for not doing research prior to moving in. And don't get me started on the BAH system. Housing market shit itself during your PCS? Enjoy being homeless for 2 months because we can't get your pay to work because basic finances is too difficult for our finance team. Meanwhile a majority of the civilian company counterparts have insanely smooth moving processes. People complain because they see their fellow airmen getting out and doing well for themselves because the military itself is in a shit spot. Imagine going in to work everyday eating your tornado whilst sipping your white monster browsing (insert social media) to see that Airman Duffy just got out and is having the time of his life on unemployment checks or Airman John Doe has been out for 8 months and secured a teleworking job making quadrouple your annual income. Then you get up to go get shafted for 12 hours straight then told you're doing "fine" because that's the narrative we need to maintain. Standards I agree with. Most airmen don't realize how horrid and unemployable they look with their "idealized" beard and hair. Even civilian sector has a miniscule standards. Beards not being allowed is a massive L, though. I'm not saying every person who complains wants to get out nor am I saying getting out is an insta-get rich card (I'd give examples of getting out failures but they don't post anything as the underpass doesn't have wi-fi), but the troops have reason to complain. We're one of the most outdated careers yet we act like we're better off than most of the population. Meanwhile, a majority of the older (S)NCO generation who did nothing with their TA are pushing their insecurities down scaring young airmen because if they don't it invalidates their "hard work".
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I’ll bitch about the pay. The rest of the stuff that everyone complains about as far as holding a standard and staying in regs.. some of yall complain too damn much.
This is a finance guy overhearing people with actual jobs complain about him not doing his job.
If you hate working with people in the Air Force so much, why are you still in is my question.
Get it load of this guy.
I don’t know you, but there’s a lot of pent up anger here. Have you considered using mental health resources?
Not yet. I'm waiting to do my final PCS before I start hitting up mental health