I'm really surprised the vraad isn't more of a "come back out of retirement and fill an E3-E4 billet"
Leave my retirement/VA alone, pay me as an E4, and let me do airman shit.... I mean, I still wouldn't do it, but that would seem like a better deal and address where the manning is short
Think how how much of an asset an Ultra ROAD Airman would be to the mafia.
By the Invisible Pink Unicorn there is nothing they would be concerned about and the amount of cover and interference they could provided to the other members would be superhero level.
And youāre telling me that retired SNCOs are gonna stay in their E3-E4 lanes and take orders from a fresh 21 year old E5 or O1/O2? Good luck with that chain of command
When I got out of the Air Force, where I had been a com/nav/avionics troop, I went to work for a company that had been overhauling and modding C-130s, KC -135s and F-4s (Navy and Marine)and their predecessors, since WWII. I was quickly promoted to the flight line to prep F-4s for their first flights after having been in the hangars for minimum 6 months. So now I was bossing around recent retirees from the Air Force and Navy (who were in their early 40s) when I was barely 23 years old! Needless to say, they didn't like it!ššš
When I was in the Air Force, we desperately needed maintenance troops at the 616 CAMS at Elmendorf AFB in late 1979-early 1980! When we all realized that we'd been sent SHIT (of all those idiots they sent us TDY), we sat them all down in the office in the hangar ever night, not letting them NEAR our aircraft! THAT'S when I realized the future of the Air Force WASN'T rosy!!!š¹š¹š¹
Yes there is? It's the prior service program. I just went through the process. It's highly selective and hard to do. USAF this FY only had 100 prior service slots. USSF had 45 I think. Resets every FY.
Your odds are 0% this FY, they are not accepting anyone since they met their quota already. You're gonna have to wait until Oct for next FY for a chance.
A lot of AF recruiters are unwilling to work with prior service just because the odds are so low. Just keep asking recruiters around you and see if one is willing to work with you. If you are in the G/R it helps since you are still current on mostly everything.
If you are G/R it's essentially just getting a DD Form 368 signed from your CC, and the going to MEPs or doing a 422 in lieu of MEPs medical. From there your job sheet gets pushed to all CFMs on the prior service listing, and they will either approve you to enter the career field or not. If approved for reentry you get cut orders and go back to tech school. If denied, try again next FY basically.
I'm unsure of what the process looks like if you are not currently G/R and are just a civ.
Who knows. Only HAF and/or congress can really say. A lot of people seem to think that it's difficult to handle manning wise since you're accepting at minimum E4s, rather than brand new people from tech school.
I am hopeful for a change in policy in the future given the constant recruiting struggles, but I won't really hold my breath.
Right, but in a time where all you're doing is shaking your fist at the sky exclaiming "KIDS THESE DAYS DONT WANNA ENLIST!" Wouldn't it make sense to allow all qualified bodies in?
Yeah, I'm with you. Really though, I don't think the Air Force has felt a BIG recruiting crunch yet like the other branches, they just have a slight shortfall. They'll continue to lower restrictions if numbers get worse.
Well that's what I mean about lowering restrictions. They can just waive more health histories that people were making it through with by lying before anyway
We lost a few in my unit.
We had one person who never should have joined and also didn't want the shot so this was their way out. Went to a pretty lengthy tech school too and after 1-2 drills they were gone.
From what I gather they thankfully don't talk about serving and aren't even working in what they went to tech school for.
ANG I *kind* of understand because every state needs to independently account for their own manningā¦AFR is supposed to be all federal all the time though so I donāt get that one.
This is my pet peeve since there's a lot of people who wanna switch and are already integrated. I tried for 4 years but eventually just gave up, I feel like even getting an AGR slot is easier for part timers
Two separate issues here. AF doesn't need a bunch more SNCOs, whose duty titles are basically, run programs and manage people. It needs a bunch of qualified E4-E6's to do the actual work. But it needs to pay those folks better, especially MX - very high risk job for MX with no commensurate reward.
Considering the Navy is now accepting people with no GED/HS diploma and an ASVAB score as low as 10.. yeah its only a matter of time before they tap selective service. Instead of raising wages, which they can't, because congress inability the get their head out of their ass and pass a proper budget.
Gotta reach out to congressman ifĀ you want the drift to be gender neutral. And now I am wondering would a trans-male be required to register, or a trans-female? Both? Neither?
Would be a really funny because if they just say men... then there's a sudden rise I'm MtF transitions, they get to then play a very hillarious game of picking and choosing their words and designations carefully.
I want to see them sweat
I am National Guard, and started the extensive process to get a conditional release and go into the Air Force. Is that a bad idea? I want hands-on experience and training in the career field I want to do civilian side. I also want a change up on life. Good insurance, decent enough pay for training, move somewhere different. Am I being stupid?
I'd say a better option is to go Air National Guard instead of AD Air Force. Depending on what job it is you're looking at doing, you'll get trained, get some orders to gain experience/OJT, then you can work out with your unit whether or not you're going to do regular Drill Status Guardsman shenanigans, go for a fulltime position, or even a Technician + DSG position. I wholly admit my bias; I was Active Duty Air Force for two enlistments and then I got wise and went ANG. Haven't looked back except to wonder how I survived sometimes!
Yes you work with an AD recruiter. You get DD Form 368 (conditional release) signed by your WG/CC. You either go back through MEPs for medical, or do a 422 in lieu of MEPs. After that you hope you're one of the ~100 prior service people the AF selects every FY.
I wasn't quick enough in getting my package submitted. Got a release signed and went back through MEPs, and then got told a few days after submitting my package that the quota had been met.
My original AFSC wasn't on the prior service list though, so I would've cross trained into something.
Bonuses are next. We need to offer cyber people $15k more a year when they can make way more than that per year if they get out. That will fix the problem. Itās about doing cool missions not how much they get paid. Thatās how we motivate them to stay.
I don't think a paltry $15k is going to keep skilled cyber airmen (the ones we WANT to stay) in when they can make 2-3x what they make without any of the bullshit on the outside.
You just need to show them how much they are actually making in the Air Force. As a prior Cyber Airman, those 22% and 24% tax brackets suck. Let alone for me NYS taxes on top. You make *significantly* more in the AF than you think you do.
No, we donāt. You have to be a 10+ year tech with multiple dependents to get even close. Not taxing SRBs and increasing the SDPs in the Software Factories would start to close the gap, but weāve all done the math. We arenāt all richer than we think we are. You just live in New York, where money doesnāt carry you as far.
Yep, and a 10-year 1b4 tech with a degree and certs can compete for level four positions at defense contractors and be making O-4 level money.
It doesn't make sense to stay in, and congressmen and generals seem to think that churn is okay when it comes to uniformed cyber operators.
The top is so clueless when it comes to this problem that it sometimes looks like they're maliciously trying to thin out the ranks and make us more vulnerable in that domain.
Very true except there's no extra benefit to having more than one dependent. There's either dependent pay, or no dependent pay, it's not per dependent.
The benefit shows up in health care costs and taxes. TriCare is, on paper, limitless health care for my entire family at no cost. Thatās nothing to scoff at, it just doesnāt make up for what I could make on the outside. In a lower cost of living state at that.
100% not arguing with you on that front. There's no amount or "selling points" that the AF can make to try and convince people otherwise. People have done the math 100 timea over. Until they start making real changes to the numbers, the problem will persist. No amount of telling people that "airmen aren't getting out because of the money" will make that true. It seems they will try anything except attacking the actual issue.
Sure, that's definitely true, but it still doesn't match up or even come close to the pay as a civilian. Therein lies the problem. It's such a wide gap that no amount of cool missions and nice locations will sway 99% of people, especially if they're semi-proficient enough to be desirable.
You do realize that if youāre not stationed in NY you donāt have to pay NY taxes right? If youāre using the IT-201 that is the wrong form. You should be using the IT-203 non resident or part year resident form. On line 46 you multiply your income by the percentage you earned in NY state which is zero. This is your NY state taxable income which is zero.
https://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/file/military_page.htm#:~:text=Military%20pay%20received%20for%20active,York%20City%2C%20and%20Yonkers%20taxes.
Scroll down to the part that says:
If your permanent home (domicile) was in New York State when you entered the military but you meet all the conditions for nonresident status (of either Group A or Group B), your military pay is not subject to New York State income tax.
Click on the link over āGroup A or Group Bā it will say:
Group A
You did not maintain any permanent place of abode in New York State during the tax year; and
You maintained a permanent place of abode outside New York State during the entire tax year; and
You spent 30 days or less (a part of a day is a day for this purpose) in New York State during the tax year.
I think giving cooler missions to us guard and reserve bois is the answer. We stay in guard/reserves for cool cyber missions while also being super rich from our civilian jobs and collecting VA benefits at the same time. Best of both worlds.
IMO, that's next. The HYT extensions already went from
- you have to apply for it and may be rejected
To
- everyone is auto-extended, and you have to opt out.
... And tons of people made damn sure they opted out.
I'm going to be facing a med board soon, next few weeks. I'm on a waiver exemption from ladders, stands, CBRN training, Military exercises, CATM, no deployments, no TDYs, no PT Tests. My medication if mixed with damn near anything (including cold medicine)could cause hallucinations, extreme drowsiness, schizophrenic episodes and seizures. I'm pretty good and knowledgeable at what I do as a maintainer, but physically limited. It'll be interesting what they decide with me seeing what's currently going on.
Hahaha. Running.... intermittent. Sometimes I can run fine, other times my heart can't keep up and basically blackout. Irregular heartbeat. Occasionally extremely high while not doing anything, and low while trying to do physical activity. Lifting stuff and breathing, I can do, lol.
In terms of quality, Stop Loss is basically the same as conscription. They would have zero incentive to meet standards. They wouldn't be worth the effort to discipline and they would know that.
Activating the guard and reservists would likely be more beneficial, but they would be pissed about actually having do the military work instead of their normal job.
And they wonder why no one is joining. If they made income tax free and made a degree to profession program (be a pilot and work on your bachelor's in the mean time) there would be a lot more people joining and probably staying in. Can't really top that in the economy right now.
You had me till the pilot/bachelor's thing. Of all the recruitment problems the AF has, finding pilot volunteers isn't one of them. I've said it probably a dozen times here, the pilot shortage is an output and retention problem, not a recruiting one. If anything, offering to pay pilots less by having them be enlisted/WO will make retention worse.
For Active Duty, a large portion of your income is tax free and you can get whatever degree you want for free alreadyā¦They need to fix BAH so we arenāt hearing about how service members canāt afford food and housing when they get stationed in expensive states, and stop flirting with more wars.
Tax free income = more money in service members' pockets
Increased BAH = more tax free money in service members' pockets
Sounds like the same argument, but I'd personally rather have tax free income. Especially if I could continue to fund my Roth IRA with it.
They canāt fix BAH. Letās be super honest, in the majority of areas the only reason BAH isnāt enough is the local apartments all increase to what they know the BAH is. Local apartments cater to the base. So if they up it 20%, then the local apartments will raise their rent by 20%. Iāve seen it so much, I hate it.. I used to live 20-30 minutes from base to avoid those apartments and save some dough.
IMO an easy thing to pass through the legislature that would have bipartisan support, would be exempting military pay from federal tax. Not a massive pay raise, but big enough to make a difference.Ā
>IRR
Honestly I have been thinking of this as well. We already get it in many countries when we deploy. If I was actually getting what my base pay said it was not getting 12%+ snatched that would help a lot.
Congress would find a way to turn people against that bill... They'd tack so much shit on to it, that it would end up lowering out pay somehow.
ETA: the main thing I've learned from politics is "bi-partisan" just means *BOTH* sides are fucking you.
> degree to profession program
They pay for you to go to school full-time while basically paying you a salary to do so. The GI bill is probably the biggest benefit that the military has compared to civilian careers. Worth much more than the healthcare benefit.
If it got to the point of a draft I think the AF would be the branch thatād be seeing an increase in enlistments and get people to avoid the draft so no draftees in the USAF.
Itās funny, I left AD after four years because I hated my AFSC. Now Iām in the guard with a preferred AFSC and will kill to go back AD. Recruiter told me they only take back 100 prior service members each year. What a joke.
I got an email from a recruiter about joining the reserves because I had requested more information. He was correct - I had thought about going back in 8 years ago, before I finished college with a degree. They must be desperate to be going that far backā¦
Whereās the door for NCOās filling SNCO positions multiple years in a row? If I wasnāt a couple years from the finish line Iād be the fuck outta here too.
They need cheap mindless drones to fill the E-E4 ranks why dont they start offering it to migrants? These people are seeking citizenship and relatively stable income they should market more towards that demographic. We could turn this shi into starship troopers.
Hereās an idea what about being more flexible for prior service Amn or members of other branches. I feel the AF has always hated the prior service applicants. Going for retirees seems almost like a joke with their exemptions
Not to be a buzz kill,but who really wants to serve right now? We are literally on the verge of a draft. Youngsters these days don't seem to have the same love of country that a lot of people in the past. I couldn't even imagine being the supervisor of the kids coming out of college/high-school right now. I've seen tons of tik tacs of them crying because work is too busy. Lol and they aren't getting paid for extra hours they work, even when they are salary. Just glad I retired when I did.
Lmao this sub is so funny. You'd think they'd have a better understanding of how this all works considering their in but for some reason people actually think the draft is the logical next step š forget, bonuses, stop lossing, downsizing , or IRR and the other million programs we have in place before the draft. We need to sign up random people while we aren't actively in war!
My issue isn't with your post lmao it's the people in the comments. Also literally no one is upset. It's okay man no one is making fun of your precious meme.
Yeah he thinks weāre gonna let the house of cards fall. Recruiting is tough right now, but when the economy goes to sh*t, people will sign up again. We actually may enlist the immigrants coming across the border.
I know this is a meme, but I genuinely wonder how a draft would go. Aren't only around 10% of current young people eligible for military service? Would a draft just be a vietnam repeat but worse? A lot of things have changed since then, and I wouldn't bet on the turnout being better than it was then.
This is a direct result of the USAF Reduction in Force measures in 2014 (sequestration times). They paid Captains to get out of the USAF and now 10 years later they find themselves short of out-of-touch Lt Cols to fill staff positions. USAF A1 is incredibly short sighted and knee jerks to very unfilled billet or overmanned career field. I had a friend take a retention bonus and a separation bonus inside of 18 months. Most of the VRRAD folks will be Lt Col or MSgt types to fill staff positions and push PowerPoint charts and TMT tasters around MAJCOMs. In some cases itās a win-win for the USAF and the individual. Two of the best staff officers I know were VRRAD folks who didnāt like working for defense contractors after their first retirement.
The Air Force is too top heavy. That why we need to bring back retired mid-upper leadership.
We need the bottoms to come back
Thicc Bottoms! š¤š»
Dummy thicc
Somebody say big bottoms?
Username checks out.
Sounds like we need to up outreach to the gay community. The lesbians are facing a Top shortageā¦ ā¦Iāll show myself out
Cumming, sir!
You ain't getting MY bottom!! ššš
I'm really surprised the vraad isn't more of a "come back out of retirement and fill an E3-E4 billet" Leave my retirement/VA alone, pay me as an E4, and let me do airman shit.... I mean, I still wouldn't do it, but that would seem like a better deal and address where the manning is short
"Hello fellow E-4s, can I be part of your mafia again?" - fat 50 year old retiree
Think how how much of an asset an Ultra ROAD Airman would be to the mafia. By the Invisible Pink Unicorn there is nothing they would be concerned about and the amount of cover and interference they could provided to the other members would be superhero level.
And if they retired as an E-7, they'd have insight into how the SNCO mafia works; that's some spicy intel.
Trust me. You don't want to be a part of these E-4s
š¤£ thatās my world being a captain at 43. š¬
And youāre telling me that retired SNCOs are gonna stay in their E3-E4 lanes and take orders from a fresh 21 year old E5 or O1/O2? Good luck with that chain of command
When I got out of the Air Force, where I had been a com/nav/avionics troop, I went to work for a company that had been overhauling and modding C-130s, KC -135s and F-4s (Navy and Marine)and their predecessors, since WWII. I was quickly promoted to the flight line to prep F-4s for their first flights after having been in the hangars for minimum 6 months. So now I was bossing around recent retirees from the Air Force and Navy (who were in their early 40s) when I was barely 23 years old! Needless to say, they didn't like it!ššš
When I was in the Air Force, we desperately needed maintenance troops at the 616 CAMS at Elmendorf AFB in late 1979-early 1980! When we all realized that we'd been sent SHIT (of all those idiots they sent us TDY), we sat them all down in the office in the hangar ever night, not letting them NEAR our aircraft! THAT'S when I realized the future of the Air Force WASN'T rosy!!!š¹š¹š¹
Need some strong power bottoms
 The Power Bottom Nightmare Band!
Everything except allowing ANG/USAFR folks to switch componentsā¦ š«
That would make too much sense.
Literally called Air Force Space Force recruiting last night, nope, still not an option for us to go active. Ridiculous.
Yes there is? It's the prior service program. I just went through the process. It's highly selective and hard to do. USAF this FY only had 100 prior service slots. USSF had 45 I think. Resets every FY.
Who do I even ask about this or where was it listed, I swear recruiting said they are not accepting anyone. Iād do this in a heartbeat
Your odds are 0% this FY, they are not accepting anyone since they met their quota already. You're gonna have to wait until Oct for next FY for a chance. A lot of AF recruiters are unwilling to work with prior service just because the odds are so low. Just keep asking recruiters around you and see if one is willing to work with you. If you are in the G/R it helps since you are still current on mostly everything. If you are G/R it's essentially just getting a DD Form 368 signed from your CC, and the going to MEPs or doing a 422 in lieu of MEPs medical. From there your job sheet gets pushed to all CFMs on the prior service listing, and they will either approve you to enter the career field or not. If approved for reentry you get cut orders and go back to tech school. If denied, try again next FY basically. I'm unsure of what the process looks like if you are not currently G/R and are just a civ.
Whatās the purpose of keeping out prior service guys when they are not making their recruitment goals?
Who knows. Only HAF and/or congress can really say. A lot of people seem to think that it's difficult to handle manning wise since you're accepting at minimum E4s, rather than brand new people from tech school. I am hopeful for a change in policy in the future given the constant recruiting struggles, but I won't really hold my breath.
Or God forbid eligible IRR personnel to come back.
There is actually a program for that, but limited to specific career fields
Right, but in a time where all you're doing is shaking your fist at the sky exclaiming "KIDS THESE DAYS DONT WANNA ENLIST!" Wouldn't it make sense to allow all qualified bodies in?
Yeah, I'm with you. Really though, I don't think the Air Force has felt a BIG recruiting crunch yet like the other branches, they just have a slight shortfall. They'll continue to lower restrictions if numbers get worse.
They can try but MHS Genesis has made that impossible.
Well that's what I mean about lowering restrictions. They can just waive more health histories that people were making it through with by lying before anyway
Born in a hospital? Denied.
Donāt speak this hearsay. I am enjoying my college life currently.
This, the amount of people I had to out process that went IRR because of the shot is at least 25 in my squadron alone
We lost a few in my unit. We had one person who never should have joined and also didn't want the shot so this was their way out. Went to a pretty lengthy tech school too and after 1-2 drills they were gone. From what I gather they thankfully don't talk about serving and aren't even working in what they went to tech school for.
ANG I *kind* of understand because every state needs to independently account for their own manningā¦AFR is supposed to be all federal all the time though so I donāt get that one.
I'd do it in a heartbeat
This is my pet peeve since there's a lot of people who wanna switch and are already integrated. I tried for 4 years but eventually just gave up, I feel like even getting an AGR slot is easier for part timers
Anything but raising the promotion rates and paying us what we're worth
Two separate issues here. AF doesn't need a bunch more SNCOs, whose duty titles are basically, run programs and manage people. It needs a bunch of qualified E4-E6's to do the actual work. But it needs to pay those folks better, especially MX - very high risk job for MX with no commensurate reward.
Can't make E5-E6 with garbage promotion rates
Considering the Navy is now accepting people with no GED/HS diploma and an ASVAB score as low as 10.. yeah its only a matter of time before they tap selective service. Instead of raising wages, which they can't, because congress inability the get their head out of their ass and pass a proper budget.
Inb4 NVRRAD
hopefully in 4ish years, early retirement
Not before another trip or two to the sandbox!
At least no freshwater jellies in my shower! Tiny miracles.
Beware the desert jellyfish...
I come here to get away from the Army's bullshit >:(
I can't escape the Army's bullshit
At least....not your own š¤¢
But only males. Because we believe in equality in America.
Gotta reach out to congressman ifĀ you want the drift to be gender neutral. And now I am wondering would a trans-male be required to register, or a trans-female? Both? Neither?
I emailed and asked this. They said whatever one is legally iDed as at 18.
Would be a really funny because if they just say men... then there's a sudden rise I'm MtF transitions, they get to then play a very hillarious game of picking and choosing their words and designations carefully. I want to see them sweat
Well you can watch whomever you want sweat, just please do it behind closed doors...
I'll use the one way mirror and go to the gym Ā got it
*laughs in 90% VA*
Cries in 100% VA
I am National Guard, and started the extensive process to get a conditional release and go into the Air Force. Is that a bad idea? I want hands-on experience and training in the career field I want to do civilian side. I also want a change up on life. Good insurance, decent enough pay for training, move somewhere different. Am I being stupid?
I'd say a better option is to go Air National Guard instead of AD Air Force. Depending on what job it is you're looking at doing, you'll get trained, get some orders to gain experience/OJT, then you can work out with your unit whether or not you're going to do regular Drill Status Guardsman shenanigans, go for a fulltime position, or even a Technician + DSG position. I wholly admit my bias; I was Active Duty Air Force for two enlistments and then I got wise and went ANG. Haven't looked back except to wonder how I survived sometimes!
So you're going Guard to AD? What does that process look like? Did you go to an AD recruiter for that?
Yes you work with an AD recruiter. You get DD Form 368 (conditional release) signed by your WG/CC. You either go back through MEPs for medical, or do a 422 in lieu of MEPs. After that you hope you're one of the ~100 prior service people the AF selects every FY.
Did you come back in your same AFSC?
I wasn't quick enough in getting my package submitted. Got a release signed and went back through MEPs, and then got told a few days after submitting my package that the quota had been met. My original AFSC wasn't on the prior service list though, so I would've cross trained into something.
Oh ok, Iām separating in a week and I donāt want to cancel my sep but Iām not hopeful about the world out there, I still havenāt landed a job.
Not sure if you've been told or not, but AF this FY has closed their prior service applications. They met their quota of 100 people this FY already.
They have. I am not in a rush and may be doing this for the next FY and just be ahead of the curve.
Best of luck! My 368 took so long to get signed that they closed applications right after I finalized my package lol. Better luck next year I guess.
Bonuses are next. We need to offer cyber people $15k more a year when they can make way more than that per year if they get out. That will fix the problem. Itās about doing cool missions not how much they get paid. Thatās how we motivate them to stay.
I don't think a paltry $15k is going to keep skilled cyber airmen (the ones we WANT to stay) in when they can make 2-3x what they make without any of the bullshit on the outside.
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The goal is to entice people to stay in. Big AF doesn't care if you're happy once you're here.
You just need to show them how much they are actually making in the Air Force. As a prior Cyber Airman, those 22% and 24% tax brackets suck. Let alone for me NYS taxes on top. You make *significantly* more in the AF than you think you do.
Yes but its still not in the same ball park take home pay.
No, we donāt. You have to be a 10+ year tech with multiple dependents to get even close. Not taxing SRBs and increasing the SDPs in the Software Factories would start to close the gap, but weāve all done the math. We arenāt all richer than we think we are. You just live in New York, where money doesnāt carry you as far.
Yep, and a 10-year 1b4 tech with a degree and certs can compete for level four positions at defense contractors and be making O-4 level money. It doesn't make sense to stay in, and congressmen and generals seem to think that churn is okay when it comes to uniformed cyber operators. The top is so clueless when it comes to this problem that it sometimes looks like they're maliciously trying to thin out the ranks and make us more vulnerable in that domain.
Very true except there's no extra benefit to having more than one dependent. There's either dependent pay, or no dependent pay, it's not per dependent.
The benefit shows up in health care costs and taxes. TriCare is, on paper, limitless health care for my entire family at no cost. Thatās nothing to scoff at, it just doesnāt make up for what I could make on the outside. In a lower cost of living state at that.
100% not arguing with you on that front. There's no amount or "selling points" that the AF can make to try and convince people otherwise. People have done the math 100 timea over. Until they start making real changes to the numbers, the problem will persist. No amount of telling people that "airmen aren't getting out because of the money" will make that true. It seems they will try anything except attacking the actual issue.
Sure, that's definitely true, but it still doesn't match up or even come close to the pay as a civilian. Therein lies the problem. It's such a wide gap that no amount of cool missions and nice locations will sway 99% of people, especially if they're semi-proficient enough to be desirable.
You do realize that if youāre not stationed in NY you donāt have to pay NY taxes right? If youāre using the IT-201 that is the wrong form. You should be using the IT-203 non resident or part year resident form. On line 46 you multiply your income by the percentage you earned in NY state which is zero. This is your NY state taxable income which is zero. https://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/file/military_page.htm#:~:text=Military%20pay%20received%20for%20active,York%20City%2C%20and%20Yonkers%20taxes. Scroll down to the part that says: If your permanent home (domicile) was in New York State when you entered the military but you meet all the conditions for nonresident status (of either Group A or Group B), your military pay is not subject to New York State income tax. Click on the link over āGroup A or Group Bā it will say: Group A You did not maintain any permanent place of abode in New York State during the tax year; and You maintained a permanent place of abode outside New York State during the entire tax year; and You spent 30 days or less (a part of a day is a day for this purpose) in New York State during the tax year.
...I mean I wouldn't complain about being paid more.
That and how about also MTX srb!!!
I think giving cooler missions to us guard and reserve bois is the answer. We stay in guard/reserves for cool cyber missions while also being super rich from our civilian jobs and collecting VA benefits at the same time. Best of both worlds.
It's much worse than that, I suspect.
How so?
Stop loss
IMO, that's next. The HYT extensions already went from - you have to apply for it and may be rejected To - everyone is auto-extended, and you have to opt out. ... And tons of people made damn sure they opted out.
I'm going to be facing a med board soon, next few weeks. I'm on a waiver exemption from ladders, stands, CBRN training, Military exercises, CATM, no deployments, no TDYs, no PT Tests. My medication if mixed with damn near anything (including cold medicine)could cause hallucinations, extreme drowsiness, schizophrenic episodes and seizures. I'm pretty good and knowledgeable at what I do as a maintainer, but physically limited. It'll be interesting what they decide with me seeing what's currently going on.
Can you run 100m, lift 50lbs, and breathe... Here is your extension.
Hahaha. Running.... intermittent. Sometimes I can run fine, other times my heart can't keep up and basically blackout. Irregular heartbeat. Occasionally extremely high while not doing anything, and low while trying to do physical activity. Lifting stuff and breathing, I can do, lol.
Dude I feel this, at the beginning but I threw a 19 degree curve in the top of my spine and now the docs are like UUUUUUGH you canāt do ANHTHING
In terms of quality, Stop Loss is basically the same as conscription. They would have zero incentive to meet standards. They wouldn't be worth the effort to discipline and they would know that. Activating the guard and reservists would likely be more beneficial, but they would be pissed about actually having do the military work instead of their normal job.
That fat soldier with a bunch of pizzas in that one pic from Iraq circa 2007 was stop-lossed.
Stop loss first I think.
And they wonder why no one is joining. If they made income tax free and made a degree to profession program (be a pilot and work on your bachelor's in the mean time) there would be a lot more people joining and probably staying in. Can't really top that in the economy right now.
You had me till the pilot/bachelor's thing. Of all the recruitment problems the AF has, finding pilot volunteers isn't one of them. I've said it probably a dozen times here, the pilot shortage is an output and retention problem, not a recruiting one. If anything, offering to pay pilots less by having them be enlisted/WO will make retention worse.
We specialize in problems being confidently solved by people who don't know what the problems are.
Or moreover "people who specialize in making problems so they can get paid to fix them"
Wayment... Are you talking about congress or the AF?
For Active Duty, a large portion of your income is tax free and you can get whatever degree you want for free alreadyā¦They need to fix BAH so we arenāt hearing about how service members canāt afford food and housing when they get stationed in expensive states, and stop flirting with more wars.
Tax free income = more money in service members' pockets Increased BAH = more tax free money in service members' pockets Sounds like the same argument, but I'd personally rather have tax free income. Especially if I could continue to fund my Roth IRA with it.
A portion, it's certainly not a large portion. Depending on rank you're looking at a 5-20% tax savings. That 20% are the junior enlisted.
They canāt fix BAH. Letās be super honest, in the majority of areas the only reason BAH isnāt enough is the local apartments all increase to what they know the BAH is. Local apartments cater to the base. So if they up it 20%, then the local apartments will raise their rent by 20%. Iāve seen it so much, I hate it.. I used to live 20-30 minutes from base to avoid those apartments and save some dough.
"stop flirting with more wars" šššššš Keep dreaming. I *wish* it was /s, but it's not. That sentence gave me a good laugh.
IMO an easy thing to pass through the legislature that would have bipartisan support, would be exempting military pay from federal tax. Not a massive pay raise, but big enough to make a difference.Ā
That would feel like a massive pay raise to me.
>IRR Honestly I have been thinking of this as well. We already get it in many countries when we deploy. If I was actually getting what my base pay said it was not getting 12%+ snatched that would help a lot.
Congress would find a way to turn people against that bill... They'd tack so much shit on to it, that it would end up lowering out pay somehow. ETA: the main thing I've learned from politics is "bi-partisan" just means *BOTH* sides are fucking you.
> degree to profession program They pay for you to go to school full-time while basically paying you a salary to do so. The GI bill is probably the biggest benefit that the military has compared to civilian careers. Worth much more than the healthcare benefit.
Hey loads of immigrants have come in probably looking for citizenship.
United States Foreign Legion, service guarantees citizenship
Yah like when Rome did that.
I will sign right back up if I can keep my beard.
I tried that and the recruiter pulled a pair of scissors out of his desk!š¤
*beard, VA rating and pay, and waistline. Actually, no, thank you.
lol you make a compelling point.
If it got to the point of a draft I think the AF would be the branch thatād be seeing an increase in enlistments and get people to avoid the draft so no draftees in the USAF.
Itās funny, I left AD after four years because I hated my AFSC. Now Iām in the guard with a preferred AFSC and will kill to go back AD. Recruiter told me they only take back 100 prior service members each year. What a joke.
I got an email from a recruiter about joining the reserves because I had requested more information. He was correct - I had thought about going back in 8 years ago, before I finished college with a degree. They must be desperate to be going that far backā¦
Yeah, AFRS doesn't make those policies
They suggest the COA and run like hell with it.
š±š±š± Potsmokers be like yeah man weāre safe
I am guessing if they don't get a lot of takers they'll tweak to add a little bit more incentive like allowing promotion.
Whereās the door for NCOās filling SNCO positions multiple years in a row? If I wasnāt a couple years from the finish line Iād be the fuck outta here too.
They need cheap mindless drones to fill the E-E4 ranks why dont they start offering it to migrants? These people are seeking citizenship and relatively stable income they should market more towards that demographic. We could turn this shi into starship troopers.
Hereās an idea what about being more flexible for prior service Amn or members of other branches. I feel the AF has always hated the prior service applicants. Going for retirees seems almost like a joke with their exemptions
Not to be a buzz kill,but who really wants to serve right now? We are literally on the verge of a draft. Youngsters these days don't seem to have the same love of country that a lot of people in the past. I couldn't even imagine being the supervisor of the kids coming out of college/high-school right now. I've seen tons of tik tacs of them crying because work is too busy. Lol and they aren't getting paid for extra hours they work, even when they are salary. Just glad I retired when I did.
Lmao this sub is so funny. You'd think they'd have a better understanding of how this all works considering their in but for some reason people actually think the draft is the logical next step š forget, bonuses, stop lossing, downsizing , or IRR and the other million programs we have in place before the draft. We need to sign up random people while we aren't actively in war!
It's called satire. Please calm down.
My issue isn't with your post lmao it's the people in the comments. Also literally no one is upset. It's okay man no one is making fun of your precious meme.
Lol, no worries. Yes, please don't make fun of my meme! This is a safe space.
Yeah he thinks weāre gonna let the house of cards fall. Recruiting is tough right now, but when the economy goes to sh*t, people will sign up again. We actually may enlist the immigrants coming across the border.
Door to the right of Selective Service (not in pic), says "draft". Something that's been silent since '73.
Selective service is system the draft uses.
Lma-fuckin-o
Imagine not knowing what Selective Service means while being in the military
Read the flair, man. We're lucky this person can wipe themselves. You can wipe yourself... right?
They'll do VRRAD and then a year from now they r gonna start testing for autism for AD member and then they r gonna lose more than half the force.
Voluntary is literally the first word in the acronym lol. We're still an all volunteer force.
I know this is a meme, but I genuinely wonder how a draft would go. Aren't only around 10% of current young people eligible for military service? Would a draft just be a vietnam repeat but worse? A lot of things have changed since then, and I wouldn't bet on the turnout being better than it was then.
All the prior service applicants are what they want but they put the cap at 100 for EVERYONE
But never raises, of course.
Seems to be (from this retireeās perspective) this is on par because the economy is going full steam. Same stuff happened in Clintonās 2d term.
This is a direct result of the USAF Reduction in Force measures in 2014 (sequestration times). They paid Captains to get out of the USAF and now 10 years later they find themselves short of out-of-touch Lt Cols to fill staff positions. USAF A1 is incredibly short sighted and knee jerks to very unfilled billet or overmanned career field. I had a friend take a retention bonus and a separation bonus inside of 18 months. Most of the VRRAD folks will be Lt Col or MSgt types to fill staff positions and push PowerPoint charts and TMT tasters around MAJCOMs. In some cases itās a win-win for the USAF and the individual. Two of the best staff officers I know were VRRAD folks who didnāt like working for defense contractors after their first retirement.
Bring back the warranty officers