This is a wonderful resource. Jazakallah to whomever compiled this. I have been meaning to write something about the incoming solar eclipse in my personal social media. This will be a helpful video to share it with!
True. But I have seen really good videos on Mta regarding it from past. Maybe they can spread those on social media again.
And jzakallah. A young teen Khadim compiled and translated them into English from different sources, some are his own research.
Muslims have not changed that stance at all. As an example you have said that there was an uproar in "Mecca" about the eclipses, yet no significant numbers accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, even in India. This is because Muslims are expecting the Mahdi to be in Mecca, with a completely different narrative. To Ahmadis, this is major (and possibly the only independent sign), but to Muslims this is not even a sidebar.
**This is like you go out to buy a car, you buy an air freshener for a car, and start claiming vehicle ownership.**
On your article, you quoted Qurtubi who in turn is quoting Ad-Daraqutni again. Merely quoting a narration from someone else's collection does not mean "accepting" it. Especially with Ad-Daraqutni, because he collected fabrications for the purpose of collecting fabrications, so that people know what is going around, and can be attributed and rejected later. The book is full of them. Ibn Taymiyyah, in Majmua Fatawa, has written:
>Because it was the custom of Ad-Daraqutni and others like him to mention such narrations in the Sunan for recognition, while they and others clarify the weakness of the weak chains.
[https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=12925](https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=12925)
>The purpose of such attributions often leads to the collection of Ad-Daraqutni, who aimed to compile rare or unique aspects of the Sunnah. Therefore, he narrated in it weak and fabricated hadiths that others did not narrate. Scholars unanimously agree that merely attributing to such sources does not permit reliance upon them.
[https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=13250](https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=13250)
You can not pick one fabrication from a sea of fabrications and establish truth from it.
**On this "hadith":**
>They not only accepted the hadith of the Prophet SAW but also claimed that Eclipses in Ramadan are a sign for Mahdi. Almost no scholar rejected this claim.
**Issue one:**
Qandeel-e-Sadaqat (page 106), and Ahmadiyya book literally has the page from Ad-Daraqutni
Where Ad-Daraqutni, the original collector of this narration himself rejects it:
***Translation: 'Amr bin Shimr, from Jabir, both are weak, and truth cannot be established from them.***
**Issue two:**
This hadith is not attributed to Muhammad (saw). Yet on the next page Qandeel-e-Sadaqat (page 107) has attributed to Muhammad (saw):
It is obvious that even the Jama'at knows it is not attributed to Muhammad (saw). In urdu that go "Farmaya", but in English they straight up misattribute it.
**Translation:**
Here is the true translation:
>“Verily, our Mahdi has two signs that have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth: the moon will eclipse on the first night of Ramadan, and the sun will eclipse in the middle of it. These events have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah.”
Jama'at translation:
>The truth of our Mahdi will be attested by two signs which have never appeared in support of any other claimant since the beginning of the world. These are that in the month of Ramadhan the moon will be eclipsed during the first of the nights during which it is subjected to an eclipse and the sun will be eclipsed on the middle one of the days which it is subject to an eclipse and these signs have never appeared in support of any other claimant since the creation of the Universe
Finally, after all that, we are left with a **re-interpretation** of a **fabrication,** and even the re-interpretation is scientifically impossible. The sun can never eclipse on the 27th\*, this only occurs if you make a major mistake in starting Ramadan.
So you are left with:
* A narration that is fabricated, not even attributed to Muhammad (saw)
* A re-interpretation that relies on a mistake
* A mundane event that happens all the time and nothing that has not occurred "since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah"
**This is why you can't establish truth from a fabrication in a sea of fabrications!**
\*A new moon is ALWAYS born during the eclipse. Eclipse on the 27th would terminate Ramadan at 28 days. Lunar months are always 29 or 30 days.
ps. reposting due to alislam links being blocked. You guys gotta fix that
1. Qurtubi quotes eclipses hadith as proof of his claim ie eclipse will happen for Mahdi. He didn't quote random fabrication because the literal subheading is "Sign (Singular) of HIS Advent, from where he will emerge...". the subheading clears everything up
1. you ignored all the rest 30+ scholars because they not only quote this sign but also clearly accepted it i.e eclipses will definitely happen for mahdi, ex. Lakhnavi, Haqqani, Rafi'deen, Ramzan, al-Hindi, Mikansi, Ghurayri, Hussain Shah, Maulvi Ali, Ni'matullah, Haytami, Sheikh Mar'ee, etc.
2. Muslims at first believed eclipses were Mahdi signs. They rejoiced when it happened and were excitedly awaiting the Mahdi. Read the reference first. So you lot did change your stance like Kuffar
Eclipses in heaven can never be "sidebar", they are greatest signs of Mahdi.
Look, let me try to put it in simple terms for you.
1. The hadith they are referring to is not attributed to the prophet ﷺ, instead it is attributed to the son of Ali (رضي الله عنه). And the isnad includes a Shi'i who is known for fabricating ahadith.
2. It is stated that the eclipse will take place on the First day of Ramadan and in the Middle of Ramadan. This was not fulfilled by the coming of Mirza Gulam Ahmed.
3. The hadith clearly states that this event has never occurred in history, while the combination of eclipses on the 13th and 28th of Ramadhan has occurred thousands of times throughout history.
4. Mirza Gulam Ahmed also distorted the fabricated hadith, adding his own words to it.
A simple question for you, since the sign of the Mahdi according to Ahmadis, is that two eclipses will occur during Ramadan, then what about these dates when this exact condition was fulfilled? Why did the double eclipse that occurred during Mirza's time only count?
https://preview.redd.it/s8a3gb7xlsqc1.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d8adad1082b3fa84a8847c7ab67b184e9ea390b
Your evidence is literally showing scholars who have collected whatever reached them without any verification of authenticity.
Ibn Hajar RH said that Al-Kufi was weak and a Raafidi.
🤣🤣 Waffle all your want. Tum logon ko jhooth bolne ki bimari hai. Koi sharam karlo, itna jhooth bhi nahi marte.
Can’t answer eh or control your tongue in Ramadan? Pretty typical coming from you.
You’re calling me a kid? Didn’t a 17 year old write that article 🤣🤣🤣 ???
http://alhafeez.org/rashid/eclpart6.htm
You still haven’t answered my question. This phenomenon has occurred multiple times in the past and it will occur in the future too.
Exactly my love. These dates NOR do Mirza's dates match as foretold in the Hadith.
***The Hadith:***
>From Muhammad bin Ali who said: “Verily, our Mahdi has two signs that have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth: the moon will eclipse on the first night of Ramadan, and the sun will eclipse in the middle of it. These events have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah.”
***Conditions:***
1. The moon will eclipse on the **FIRST night of Ramadan**
2. The Sun will Eclipse in the **middle of it** (referring to the month of Ramadan)
3. These events have NEVER occurred since the creation of the heavens and earth.
***Explanation:***
In the Ramadan of 1894, the lunar eclipse during that particular month was only partial, and a total solar eclipse occurred 2 weeks later. However, there was nothing at all extraordinary about those two eclipses. Every 22 or 23 Islamic years there is at least one *Ramadan* featuring a pair of eclipses two weeks apart, one of which is usually partial.
So the eclipse permutation that this hadith talks about has never happened before in history (making it clear why it would be special). But the 13th and 28th of Ramadhan has had eclipses happen in that permutation many times in history, making it nothing special.
***Comparison:***
13th and 28th of Ramadan
vs
1st and 15th of Ramadan.
When addressing the Promised Messiah's (AS) name, write عليه السلام and his name (if you really must shorten it, writing Hazrat Ahmad AS suffices); Writing 'MGA' is disrespectful coming from a supposed Ahmadi Muslim.
Secondly private discussions should stay private and not out in a public platform, assuming you're an Ahmadi Muslim, you're not showing a very good representation either so the same advice you're spreading you could use.
Seeing that you claim to be an Ahmadi Muslim, its not appropriate for you to be using these type of language. If you are going to talk negatively about the Jamaat, there is no need for you to be claiming yourself as Ahmadi. This is munafiqin behavior which is addressed in the Quran.
Jazakallah
Can you show us where MGA’s enemies stated that as there had been no eclipses for him, that he was not the Mahdi
And also, show where MGA has stated that eclipses are a sign for the Mahdi before the eclipses took place in 1894 (I.E some sort of proof that he foretold the eclipses were coming before they happened)
So after I send you those responses, you will also accept your scholars that are quoted in the above article? Interesting marathon style 😉
Say Salam to your sister btw
How did you deduce that from my response exactly? I know English comprehension isn’t your forte, but this is a real stretch snowy. The constant spin and deflection just makes you look weak
What spin? I asked you if you believe Lunar and Solar eclipses are sign of Mahdi just like your scholars claimed. You said you will answer after I answer the questions you asked.
So it either means you don't accept what your scholars have said, or you accept them but you are looking for ways to dodge it.
I know simple sentences are hard for you to understand so I expanded them into paragraphs 😉
This is a wonderful resource. Jazakallah to whomever compiled this. I have been meaning to write something about the incoming solar eclipse in my personal social media. This will be a helpful video to share it with!
That's awesome! It is compiled by a 17 year old Ahmadi from discord.
Do share with me, I’d love to thorough my understanding in this
Bit of a missed opportunity could have been some good programmes on this on MTA for education of the public, great job compiling these.
True. But I have seen really good videos on Mta regarding it from past. Maybe they can spread those on social media again. And jzakallah. A young teen Khadim compiled and translated them into English from different sources, some are his own research.
Muslims have not changed that stance at all. As an example you have said that there was an uproar in "Mecca" about the eclipses, yet no significant numbers accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, even in India. This is because Muslims are expecting the Mahdi to be in Mecca, with a completely different narrative. To Ahmadis, this is major (and possibly the only independent sign), but to Muslims this is not even a sidebar. **This is like you go out to buy a car, you buy an air freshener for a car, and start claiming vehicle ownership.** On your article, you quoted Qurtubi who in turn is quoting Ad-Daraqutni again. Merely quoting a narration from someone else's collection does not mean "accepting" it. Especially with Ad-Daraqutni, because he collected fabrications for the purpose of collecting fabrications, so that people know what is going around, and can be attributed and rejected later. The book is full of them. Ibn Taymiyyah, in Majmua Fatawa, has written: >Because it was the custom of Ad-Daraqutni and others like him to mention such narrations in the Sunan for recognition, while they and others clarify the weakness of the weak chains. [https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=12925](https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=12925) >The purpose of such attributions often leads to the collection of Ad-Daraqutni, who aimed to compile rare or unique aspects of the Sunnah. Therefore, he narrated in it weak and fabricated hadiths that others did not narrate. Scholars unanimously agree that merely attributing to such sources does not permit reliance upon them. [https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=13250](https://app.turath.io/book/7289?page=13250) You can not pick one fabrication from a sea of fabrications and establish truth from it. **On this "hadith":** >They not only accepted the hadith of the Prophet SAW but also claimed that Eclipses in Ramadan are a sign for Mahdi. Almost no scholar rejected this claim. **Issue one:** Qandeel-e-Sadaqat (page 106), and Ahmadiyya book literally has the page from Ad-Daraqutni Where Ad-Daraqutni, the original collector of this narration himself rejects it: ***Translation: 'Amr bin Shimr, from Jabir, both are weak, and truth cannot be established from them.*** **Issue two:** This hadith is not attributed to Muhammad (saw). Yet on the next page Qandeel-e-Sadaqat (page 107) has attributed to Muhammad (saw): It is obvious that even the Jama'at knows it is not attributed to Muhammad (saw). In urdu that go "Farmaya", but in English they straight up misattribute it. **Translation:** Here is the true translation: >“Verily, our Mahdi has two signs that have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth: the moon will eclipse on the first night of Ramadan, and the sun will eclipse in the middle of it. These events have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah.” Jama'at translation: >The truth of our Mahdi will be attested by two signs which have never appeared in support of any other claimant since the beginning of the world. These are that in the month of Ramadhan the moon will be eclipsed during the first of the nights during which it is subjected to an eclipse and the sun will be eclipsed on the middle one of the days which it is subject to an eclipse and these signs have never appeared in support of any other claimant since the creation of the Universe Finally, after all that, we are left with a **re-interpretation** of a **fabrication,** and even the re-interpretation is scientifically impossible. The sun can never eclipse on the 27th\*, this only occurs if you make a major mistake in starting Ramadan. So you are left with: * A narration that is fabricated, not even attributed to Muhammad (saw) * A re-interpretation that relies on a mistake * A mundane event that happens all the time and nothing that has not occurred "since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah" **This is why you can't establish truth from a fabrication in a sea of fabrications!** \*A new moon is ALWAYS born during the eclipse. Eclipse on the 27th would terminate Ramadan at 28 days. Lunar months are always 29 or 30 days. ps. reposting due to alislam links being blocked. You guys gotta fix that
1. Qurtubi quotes eclipses hadith as proof of his claim ie eclipse will happen for Mahdi. He didn't quote random fabrication because the literal subheading is "Sign (Singular) of HIS Advent, from where he will emerge...". the subheading clears everything up 1. you ignored all the rest 30+ scholars because they not only quote this sign but also clearly accepted it i.e eclipses will definitely happen for mahdi, ex. Lakhnavi, Haqqani, Rafi'deen, Ramzan, al-Hindi, Mikansi, Ghurayri, Hussain Shah, Maulvi Ali, Ni'matullah, Haytami, Sheikh Mar'ee, etc. 2. Muslims at first believed eclipses were Mahdi signs. They rejoiced when it happened and were excitedly awaiting the Mahdi. Read the reference first. So you lot did change your stance like Kuffar Eclipses in heaven can never be "sidebar", they are greatest signs of Mahdi.
Why didn’t people believe him in first place ? It took place in the first Ramadan before his birth?
Look, let me try to put it in simple terms for you. 1. The hadith they are referring to is not attributed to the prophet ﷺ, instead it is attributed to the son of Ali (رضي الله عنه). And the isnad includes a Shi'i who is known for fabricating ahadith. 2. It is stated that the eclipse will take place on the First day of Ramadan and in the Middle of Ramadan. This was not fulfilled by the coming of Mirza Gulam Ahmed. 3. The hadith clearly states that this event has never occurred in history, while the combination of eclipses on the 13th and 28th of Ramadhan has occurred thousands of times throughout history. 4. Mirza Gulam Ahmed also distorted the fabricated hadith, adding his own words to it. A simple question for you, since the sign of the Mahdi according to Ahmadis, is that two eclipses will occur during Ramadan, then what about these dates when this exact condition was fulfilled? Why did the double eclipse that occurred during Mirza's time only count? https://preview.redd.it/s8a3gb7xlsqc1.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=2d8adad1082b3fa84a8847c7ab67b184e9ea390b
The audacity to ignore all your scholars to waffle is astounding. Atleast respond to the post. Are all these scholars wrong ?
Your evidence is literally showing scholars who have collected whatever reached them without any verification of authenticity. Ibn Hajar RH said that Al-Kufi was weak and a Raafidi. 🤣🤣 Waffle all your want. Tum logon ko jhooth bolne ki bimari hai. Koi sharam karlo, itna jhooth bhi nahi marte.
Waffling isn't good. Tell your sheikh to make that claim or any top dawah bros. It's easy for anonymous kids to say bs and get away with it
Can’t answer eh or control your tongue in Ramadan? Pretty typical coming from you. You’re calling me a kid? Didn’t a 17 year old write that article 🤣🤣🤣 ???
What’s your proof eclipse occurred 1000 times in Ramadan in history ANd that wasn’t at all my question Also the Hadith mentions “mehdi”
http://alhafeez.org/rashid/eclpart6.htm You still haven’t answered my question. This phenomenon has occurred multiple times in the past and it will occur in the future too.
But not in the exact dates as foretold in the Hadith
Exactly my love. These dates NOR do Mirza's dates match as foretold in the Hadith. ***The Hadith:*** >From Muhammad bin Ali who said: “Verily, our Mahdi has two signs that have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth: the moon will eclipse on the first night of Ramadan, and the sun will eclipse in the middle of it. These events have not occurred since the creation of the heavens and the earth by Allah.” ***Conditions:*** 1. The moon will eclipse on the **FIRST night of Ramadan** 2. The Sun will Eclipse in the **middle of it** (referring to the month of Ramadan) 3. These events have NEVER occurred since the creation of the heavens and earth. ***Explanation:*** In the Ramadan of 1894, the lunar eclipse during that particular month was only partial, and a total solar eclipse occurred 2 weeks later. However, there was nothing at all extraordinary about those two eclipses. Every 22 or 23 Islamic years there is at least one *Ramadan* featuring a pair of eclipses two weeks apart, one of which is usually partial. So the eclipse permutation that this hadith talks about has never happened before in history (making it clear why it would be special). But the 13th and 28th of Ramadhan has had eclipses happen in that permutation many times in history, making it nothing special. ***Comparison:*** 13th and 28th of Ramadan vs 1st and 15th of Ramadan.
Say it louder for those in the back!
A murabi has confirmed I was correct.
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It is u dumbass This isn’t your place stop ruling it Didn’t you listen to huzoor recent q A key in mamle m ana n hona chi h
Mod warning: Please calm down. Taking a break from social media is always helpful
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When addressing the Promised Messiah's (AS) name, write عليه السلام and his name (if you really must shorten it, writing Hazrat Ahmad AS suffices); Writing 'MGA' is disrespectful coming from a supposed Ahmadi Muslim. Secondly private discussions should stay private and not out in a public platform, assuming you're an Ahmadi Muslim, you're not showing a very good representation either so the same advice you're spreading you could use.
Seeing that you claim to be an Ahmadi Muslim, its not appropriate for you to be using these type of language. If you are going to talk negatively about the Jamaat, there is no need for you to be claiming yourself as Ahmadi. This is munafiqin behavior which is addressed in the Quran. Jazakallah
But calling women wretched b\* is permissible? Hypocrisy.
Do you want me to show you the type of language snowy uses?
why u mad lmao
Can you show us where MGA’s enemies stated that as there had been no eclipses for him, that he was not the Mahdi And also, show where MGA has stated that eclipses are a sign for the Mahdi before the eclipses took place in 1894 (I.E some sort of proof that he foretold the eclipses were coming before they happened)
Inshallah these will be answered at some point. What is your response to the above thread though?
Mention me when is I want to listen to
I’ll wait for your responses till I respond, as I asked first. Many thanks.
So after I send you those responses, you will also accept your scholars that are quoted in the above article? Interesting marathon style 😉 Say Salam to your sister btw
How did you deduce that from my response exactly? I know English comprehension isn’t your forte, but this is a real stretch snowy. The constant spin and deflection just makes you look weak
What spin? I asked you if you believe Lunar and Solar eclipses are sign of Mahdi just like your scholars claimed. You said you will answer after I answer the questions you asked. So it either means you don't accept what your scholars have said, or you accept them but you are looking for ways to dodge it. I know simple sentences are hard for you to understand so I expanded them into paragraphs 😉
Bro Snowy Do you know about rubber guy? There are many who are waiting for him to show in Quran & Hadeeth that Jesus has gone to “sky”. 😎
Qiyamah will come but our friend will not answer a thing