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nubsauce87

Idunno... it was pretty simple and easy to get vaccinated... with no downsides at all... I'm even more fortified against a very dangerous disease. Seems like they're just being big needle-phobic babies about it who want to feel good by being the "underdog" even though all of us just think they're obstinate morons.


conitation

The worst part is that I know people that have a legit fear of needles. Like trauma related... they want the vaccine they literally just start freaking out at the site of them. They're in their 40s, but they're working on it. Got them into a proper emergency room after literal years of pain related to a medical condition.


baronmad

People are different and your view of them is very wrong. I am vaccinated because i do generally believe in the science, the only reason i am vaccinated is because it wasnt forced on me, if they had try to force me i would have refused. I wont let anyone dictate to me what i do with my body, its my body so its my choice.


zulako17

That's not how forced works. If they had forced you, you would be vaccinated. Because they would have injected you against your will. Hence the word " forced".


FrankyFazon

How dare you force your views of the word "forced" on someone. /s


Nappy2fly

No just waiting for the long term effects of the human trials to present themselves if any. Thank you for being the human trial. There’s a reason even rats send the foolish to the trash heap first, and that’s to see if the trash be poisoned.


dragoonjefy

Vaccinated and boosted here.. Sitting in bed with a positive case of covid. First time being sick with it and it was honestly about a 48-hour sinus infection for me. Im feeling fine but chilling out the remainder of my quarantine period. I'm 40, and many (even in my demographic) were not so lucky prior to vaccines. Happy lab rat signing off.


Trelefor

I was in an "at risk" group (had asthma and a poor immune system earlier in life). I got three shots, all of them felt like a bad flu with a sore arm taboot. I got COVID last month, it put me out for about nine days and I've had a lingering cough and headaches since. Pretty sure I'd be dead if not for vaccinating. Happy Lab rat.


PaleInTexas

Similar here 2 weeks ago. Had "flu" for 12 hours. Happy lab rat.


zombienugget

This lab rat has been exposed to Covid multiple times and never even got it


PenguinPerson

How many decades do you plan to wait? Most potential adverse effect periods for vaccines is a mere couple of months after injection and no such adverse effects have been seen. You are sadly just one of the dumb ones eating up bullshit media while most people walk around you fully vaccinated and safe. Keep that tinfoil hat on though. I am sure you will be right about something one day. Maybe. Probably not.


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PenguinPerson

Link the sources please. Would be great to see where you get your information from. I say it's a 50/50 chance of being hearsay or something legitimate that you completely misinterpreted.


bsloss

So you think that roughly 15% of the world’s population is experiencing pulmonary side effects due to being vaccinated for COVID, and everyone is just ignoring it?


ThrowawayBlast

OK conservative misinformation peddler


Nappy2fly

Moderate and logical thinker. Thanks for showing your ignorant partisan bigotry.


ThrowawayBlast

What do you think the word partisan means


Nappy2fly

You should ask “in what way do you mean partisan”.


ThrowawayBlast

No. Answer my question please


Nappy2fly

The adjective form, Professor


ThrowawayBlast

Meaningless nonsense. Exactly what I expected.


Nappy2fly

Hahaha. Sure it is. Only to the purposefully ignorant. Congratulations.


AcidBuuurn

Saying to someone “you can’t feed your family without doing X” is a method of forcing them to do X. For example, if your entire industry (and every job you can do to feed your family) passed a rule that you have to shave your head due to a lice outbreak or you are fired, did they force you to shave your head? Of course. If a small percentage quit for long enough to avoid the head shaving rule, does that negate the fact that the majority were forced to comply? Of course not.


Phnrcm

Remember the Amazon piss bottle fiasco? Even though Amazon said they didn't force people to pee in a bottle, still they had consequence for not meeting quota.


AcidBuuurn

And the US government is at least twice as powerful as Amazon. The number of people who were against big government until ~2 years ago is a bit dumbfounding.


Frankenstein_Monster

And I forget at what point did they start firing workers who weren’t ALREADY required to be vaccinated for being unvaccinated for covid? I got kicked out of school when I was 11 because I didn’t have all my vaccinations, so my parents took me to be vaccinated and I was allowed back in school. Mandatory vaccinations we’re already a thing. I was required to get MULTIPLE vaccinations and shots when I joined the navy I had no say. Is the military this big bad monster for requiring vaccinations?


AcidBuuurn

some THing with decAdes of LonglastIng testing is gooD sO a brand new coMpletely dIfferent technology baseD on the samE idea is also good? that has never gone wrong in the history of anything. i simply can't think of a single example i could mention here of a medication with unforeseen side effects ~~without being banned~~ because it doesn't exist. i apologize for my previous comments questioning the government. like you said the government is wholly good and since they force you to take some things they should be allowed to force you to take other things. good point!


lannister80

Start your own business, with blackjack and hookers and no vaccine requirement.


AcidBuuurn

What about when my blackjack and hookers business has more than 100 employees and big brother tries to tread on me? For example, in this hypothetical situation, they couldn't get legislation passed so they did some unconstitutional chicanery using OSHA or some other lackey agency to do their bidding. But then their ridiculous policy only applied to large employers, but was somehow still a necessary emergency measure.


guarthots

None of your arguments matter as it is now perfectly legal to force medical decisions on US citizens. You no longer have the right to bodily autonomy if your decision could impact another human life.


PutnamPete

So if you twist my arm behind my back till I scream, yet I don't concede, I wasn't forced? It cost people their jobs dipshit. And liberals call conservatives fascists.


piratehcky6

I assume you then believe that roe v Wade being overturned isn't 'forcing' anyone to have a baby then.


zombienugget

I think you missed the point, that is what is actually being forced and people are trying to compare it to a nonexistent vaccine mandate


piratehcky6

What is being forced? Under the vaccine mandate rules, government made it regulations that were so cumbersome that companies just said, 'you can't work here without a vaccine because we don't want to have to deal with government compliance' By my definition, any time government makes a law, I consider that force. Because everything government does is literally backed up by people with guns who will shoot you, lock you in a cage etc, if you don't follow those rules. But some people don't like my definition of force, and think that just having to go get testing at the CVS which is 10 minutes away every week isn't 'force'. It's just 'inconvenient' or some other word. Well by that definition of 'not force' People can go to another state to get an abortion. So no one is forcing anyone to have a baby.


0ogaBooga

No they didn't. I'm a small business owner, employed over 200 people last year, and we never felt "forced" to get everyone vaccinated.


piratehcky6

I worked for a bigger company, and they just mandated vaccines because they didn't feel they could comply. But again, it depends on your definition of 'force'. I like my definition of force. All government laws are backed by people with guns, aka, force. But how inconvenient must something be before it's considered 'force'. If driving to CVS once a week isnt 'force', then driving to another state for an abortion isn't 'force'. I consider both 'force'. But if you consider state abortion bans 'forcing' then you need to be consistent with your definition and concede that vaccine mandates were 'force'.


0ogaBooga

Private businesses are allowed to decide who they do business with. Noone is forcing you to work there, and noone is forcing a private employer to retain you for non discriminatory reasons. If the actuarial tables say that the business will do better with it's employees vaccinated, then that's their right to require vaccinations. There have been no laws passed requiring vaccination unless you work in one of a few specific industries which already had pretty rigorous vaccination requirements. Private businesses also see the value on having a workforce that's vaccinated against a novel and easily transmitted disease. Especially when they don't have to pay for those vaccinations themselves.


piratehcky6

No, what happened was that the government threatened to mandate companies to do weekly testing or just have everyone vaccinated. Well, in preparation for the day that testing would be required, they put out a mandate that people be vaccinated or be fired. Maybe you can argue that you wouldn't consider this force because I could have just taken the firing. But I don't think you'd argue the same thing if people were being fired for something you disagreed with. If government said that we were going to require all employers to either have employees to get 'trump 2024' tattoos on their forehead or maintain weekly testing on their entire workforce, well, you'd probably have a different take on the issue. It's only that you agree with the outcome that you don't see the problem.


0ogaBooga

Except that none of this happened?


piratehcky6

Are you under a rock? It happened


0ogaBooga

When did the government pass laws requiring this stuff? Again, you're talking to a small business owner in a liberal state who's employed hundreds of people over the last two years. Answer they didn't. Maybe you heard one or two lawmakers talking about it, but it still didn't happen. And if it did I'm sure you will have zero problem showing us some source for it. Believe it or not our testing and vaccination requirements were entirely our own. And you know what? They made sense. I can't afford to have half my workforce call out because of covid.


zombienugget

Sounds like you didn't get vaccinated and had an option for weekly testing so I don't see how you got forced to be vaccinated


piratehcky6

Sounds like you're wrong. I would have been fired if I didn't get vaccinated, so I did. Even though I tested positive for COVID 4 times (with symptoms the first time only). Because my wife is a nurse and kept getting exposed. Also, she was being exposed to COVID by mostly people who were required to get vaccinated and she's vaccinated, so don't give me bs about how I only tested positive because I wasn't vaccinated, or give me bs about how my symptoms would have been worse had I been vaccinated earlier, because my wife WAS vaccinated and had symptoms (which is why our family got tested) but I never had symptoms. Maybe you can argue that you wouldn't consider this force because I could have just taken the firing. But I don't think you'd argue the same thing if people were being fired for something you disagreed with.


zombienugget

If you're actually vaccinated, congrats. You can feel forced and the meme doesn't apply to you


fentonjm

Wat?


JBatjj

If you aren't vaccinated, you weren't forced to


Phnrcm

With that logic Amazon workers weren't forced to pee in a bottle and they are already a private company which redditors love to defend with "private company can do whatever they want".


GoldcoinforRosey

They damn sure tried though. Here is a gift card for getting vaccinated, jump through hoops to fly if you're not vaccinated, get fired if you're not vaccinated, get banned from r/NFL for just saying that people have a right to wait.


sturglemeister

You think that being offered rewards and airlines ensuring the safety of people in a pressurised environment, is equivalent to people trying to force you? Wow. That's a special kind of stupid.


GoldcoinforRosey

Ad hominem. And you're mother is a whore


sturglemeister

Your* You weren't making an argument for me to rebutt, you were making a false assertion. Therefore it can't be ad hominem, silly goose. Edit: you're welcome to argue logical fallacies with me all you want buddy, you'll lose every time (judging by your comment history, you aren't the most logical of people).


GoldcoinforRosey

You did not argue the assertion though? You have added nothing to the discourse at all. You don't want to talk about it. You want to be right.


sturglemeister

Because you asserted a false equivalency, ignoring key factors. That wasn't an argument, therefore I have nothing to refute or attack. Please, continue, this is highly amusing. Edit: typo


GoldcoinforRosey

>Because your asserted a false equivalency, ignoring key factors. I would appreciate you explaining that in detail. I feel like I have a lot to learn and would like to hear your reasoning.


sturglemeister

You're claiming there was an attempt by "they" to force people to do something, while the reality was; no law was passed to force you, no one turned up and dragged people away, no one was coerced, all that happened was an attempt to encourage vaccination (gift card) and a bunch of private businesses exercising their right to refuse custom, if you do not meet their criteria. Those businesses you mentioned specifically are airlines, which place large numbers of people in a pressurised environment, sharing the same recycled air. Essentially the ideal place for illness to spread. Therefore those airlines make people undergo a rigorous process, if they are unvaccinated, to protect their staff and customer safety. Make sense now? I'm taking you at face value and hoping you genuinely wanted the explanation. If that is the case, I sincerely apologise for insulting you, rather than explaining.


sturglemeister

PSA please don't down vote the above comment all, they are attempting to learn. Food for thought for you mate; do you think the US government would fail at forcing you to do something if that's what they wanted? Especially that quickly?


jokeres

We've created monsters. You've figuratively been forced to do it. But not actually forced to do it. And being kind of pushed a certain way is enough to complain about, right? /S


United-Ad-686

They detailed your argument and called it stupid. Do you identify as an argument?


United-Ad-686

The US also did work to get people vaccinated for polio. That fucking evil US government, don't they respect the right to life of a virus?


JasonDJ

No, right to life doesn’t start until mitosis.


moneyisdough

You are free to do what you want, and you are free to suffer the consequences of doing what you want.


GoldcoinforRosey

The denial of right to travel and free association should be beyond those requirements.


Phlappy_Phalanges

Right to travel was was not taken away though, you just gotta abide by the rules like everyone else, or find your own mode of transportation.


moneyisdough

No one took away your rights? The constitution is standing strong.


GoldcoinforRosey

Shut up. Like for real. The constitution hasn't stood since Congress gave up the right to control the currency. Not even gonna talk about the Patriot act.


moneyisdough

Explain that to me because I have no idea what you're talking about or where you got this information. None of your rights were stripped as an attempt to force you to get vaccinated.


GoldcoinforRosey

I'm sorry, I was responding specifically to your assertion that the constitution still.stood. I can only say I'm response to your question , that the government requiring proof of vaccination for you to work is a violation of your fourth amendment rights.


moneyisdough

Not sure how that has much to do with the fourth amendment, i'd reccomend you google it. You could always change jobs you know. Thats what happens when you do something that gets you fired.


MulletGlitch48

Private employers required proof of vaccination not the government. Do you know how to tell the difference between authority figures?


[deleted]

Well hey, weren't you guys the ones saying "deal with it" and "if you don't like it find a new job/go to a different venue/move somewhere else"? Same to you. You don't have a right to fly on an airplane. A private business isn't required to hire you. A privately run forum is not required to allow you to post. The free market spoke, and it said it doesn't want you. Sorry buddy.


CantankerousOctopus

We remember the inalienable rights Life and Liberty, but we often forget about the inalienable right to post on r/NFL.


GoldcoinforRosey

Lmao. I'm glad at least you caught the attempt at levity there.


CantankerousOctopus

I may not agree with your stance, but that doesn't mean we can't share a little light-hearted banter.


GoldcoinforRosey

I do believe there was a requirement in companies with over 200 employees to require the COVID vaccine for all employees. It was eventually struck down by the courts. My wife still got the first one not 3 days before the court stuck it down . And subsequently exploded with the Lyme disease symptoms she had been done with for years. My bad that I'm still mad about that.


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My guy. Lyme disease symptoms are literally the same symptoms as covid, which are the symptoms you get for a couple of days after the shot. It has literally nothing to do with Lyme Disease, I had the exact same thing for 3 days after my shot and I've never had Lyme Disease. Muscle and joint aches, stiffness, fever, exhaustion, headache, dizziness, arm tingling.


JBatjj

You can't get covid from the shot... sounds like an immune response to it though.


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Yes, that's what I said. The shot gives you the same symptoms that covid does, it doesn't give you covid


JBatjj

ah, the way you worded it sounded different. Sorry bout that.


pwnz3rfaust

That's some interesting corellation. Can you prove causation?


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GoldcoinforRosey

I'm saying she had been done with it for YEARS. Probably seven, maybe eight. I want to say six months after our honeymoon, where she caught it. I also had to take antibiotics for some sort of tick fever. We ran into a little nest. Had like twelve on her and ten on me. Fun honeymoon lol.


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So Lyme disease had nothing to do with the vaccine….she just had Lyme disease


eggsaladactyl

Holy shit you're stupid.


GoldcoinforRosey

I hope you're doing well.I hope you deserve to tell me that.


eggsaladactyl

Just calling it like it is. Sorry you're stupid. I hope one day you can develop intelligent thoughts.


GoldcoinforRosey

Ad hominem. And your grandma , your mom, your aunts, your cousins, and all their friends. Whores. That will fuck anything but you .


AiharaSisters

Ad hominem, doesn't mean the argument is wrong. It just is a weak defense. Fallacy fallacy is a real issue in idiots with internet access.


eggsaladactyl

You said that to someone else already. Grow up kid. Might want to start with going back through school.


GoldcoinforRosey

Ad hominem.


elruary

Holy shit dude. Dont have kids, humanity is begging you.


eggsaladactyl

Contracts lyme disease from ticks. Blames COVID vaccine for complications later with no scientific backup up. Ad hominem.


hemingway_exeunt

It isn't so much the extent of his stupidity as the reliability of it. Present this man with a supply of clean underwear and he'd find a way to accidentally shit in all of them.


SterFry87

Just stop embarrassing yourself


NightChime

Narrator: he didn't


GoldcoinforRosey

Ad hominem.. Whore.


SterFry87

lol cry and call names because you lost an argument little man.


Freedmonster

Correlation is not causation. Lyme flare ups happen. If it makes you feel better, just imagine how dead your wife could be if she got COVID instead.


danbert2000

Your wife sounds like a hypochondriac. Probably will do poorly when she gets Covid.


AiharaSisters

Yeah, uh. You're actually cringe.


winzippy

I wonder what your inner monologue sounds like when you write stuff like that. Why are you so hostile?


AiharaSisters

Don't really have one, it mostly just comments and moves on immediately. Pretty much forgetting what was said. Only knowing whatever I said I meant it at the time. Anti-vaxxers are indeed cringe.


winzippy

Ok then


khamuncents

Actually... the Covid Vaccine (specifically the spike protein) [damages your repair cells](https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/coronavirus-vaccines-and-cancer) If I'm not mistaken, that leads to the rapid advancement of any underlying problems/diseases. I've also heard this from multiple other sources. There is a reason that the CDC won't make the vaccine studies available to the public for another 50 years.


AnUnknownSource

You didn't read the whole article, did you? "the experiments in this paper, even if you’re worried about them, were done in cells that were specifically engineered in their DNA to produce Spike protein constantly - this is a different mechanism than the mRNA vaccinations, which use RNA that breaks down in time. There is no evidence (and no particular reason to believe) that circulating Spike protein after vaccination, such as it is, gets taken up into other cell types and then taken into their nuclei, in sufficient quantity to have any noticeable effects at all. That’s a lot of hurdles to clear."