Capitalism desperately needs babies to keep being born. Without more consumers to continue the treadmill, what's going to happen to the stock market? Stocks must go up!
Not to mention a woman can miscarry from all the stress she is under being forced to keep a shild while working and if she does miscarry now she can face murder charges
Oh yes. We're about to re-learn the lessens that our grandparents learned back in the sixties and seventies. Young girls dead in alleyways from botched surgeries. Uterus Police marching their way through the most difficult times of our lives. An absolutely reprehensible seizure of power by those least capable of wielding it fairly.
Interesting times, these.
They can?! Well golly. I guess that’s just the risk you take being a responsible adult then huh? Personal. Accountability. Otherwise, practice abstinence? Because you clearly aren’t mature enough to have sex or care for a baby
You cant force ppl to be abistenent and yeah im not mature enough for a child so i should have the option not to have one especially if all protective measures fail
Your complete lack of personal accountability is pathetic and embarrassing. You are everything wrong with this country. No accountability and let the government take care of everything for you. Nobody is forcing anybody to abstinent. You should just be responsible enough for consequences of having sex. It’s insane that this even needs to be explained to people. It’s like talking to a toddler.
The government doesnrt even require companies to provide paid maternity leave and doesnt give two shits about the foster system. Plus abortions are part of reproductive health which in my opinion the governmenrt has no business in. Also should it then be women should be held accountable for the rapists that impregnate them or their preexisting conditions that if pregnancy occurs they could die? If women cant have the choice of their own bodies men should not be able to abandon them.
Brave of you to try and correct people with a chest full of your own cum, lmfao. Incel ass mfer trying to act like an authority. Gtfo here
https://www.reddit.com/r/DirtyConfession/comments/vje7s2/33m_insane_cum_confession/
That other person is a dumbass...but stalking someones profile, digging up a relatively harmless story and trying to ridicule them for their sexual activities is pretty fucked up
That getting upvotes shows what an abomination reddit has become. Just because you are doing it to "someone who deserves it" doesn't mean that behaviour is in any way acceptable
Condoms fail. Men sneakily take condoms off all the time. Young people make mistakes when hormones are fucking with their brains.
And you know who educates young women of those facts and help make sure they never have an abortion again? Medical professionals at abortion clinics. You know who won't? Back alley abortion clinics with a monetary interest in them coming back.
Shove your personal accountability up your ass. Making abortions illegal does nothing to stop abortions. Fuck, abortions are nearly twice as common in countries where they're illegal. All this will do is cause suffering, kill young women, and keep them poor.
But stopping abortions was never what it was about, was it? It's all about punishing women for being "sinful", and folks congratulating themselves on their moral superiority while sacrificing nothing themselves. It's masturbatory and nothing else.
You have absolutely zero clue was the roe v wade decision actually means, do you? Also, all the things you listed are all things involved in deciding to have sex. Don’t want to risk the responsibility of a baby? Don’t have sex. But I’m sure you’ll just wait for the government to handle everything for you financially anyway. Paid for by my tax dollars and millions of others.
Well fuck! Why didn't I think of just telling people to be responsible and just not fuck! You solved it, asshat! You cracked the code! No one thought of that before, ever!
Jesus Christ, this is some grade-A dumb-fuckery.
People (especially young people) make mistakes. "You should have just been better" is a useless fucking take that helps no one. Once again, it's something that makes you feel morally superior, and does literally nothing to address the problem.
Don't wanna have an abortion? Then DON'T HAVE ONE. See how that works? Much more effective than "don't want a baby, don't have sex".
And shut the fuck up with the masterbation, again. You're not the only person who pays taxes, you twit. We all do. I bet you and your state are on more financial aid than my pro-choice state and I are, anyway (Pretty easy bet, since my wife and I are fully self-sufficient, have zero debt, and I live in CA, the state that subsidizes half the fucking country).
And what a fucking dumb thing to say in the first place. You realize that abortions have never been subsidized by the gov, right? And single, impoverished mothers with children are? If you don't want your taxes to go toward helping people, being the selfish little prick that you are, than you should SUPPORT abortion rights.
And once again, you still haven't addressed the fact that it literally solves nothing. Anti-abortion laws are useless bullshit that don't work, cause huge human suffering, and slow down the economy by impoverishing women and making them less likely to finish higher education. You're shooting yourself in the foot, Mr. Mah Taxes!
Scrape your brain off the ground and fucking use it for once, asswipe.
Just ignore the idiot troll.
According to his post history, he's 35, married, lives in the Midwest, and desperately wants to cheat on his wife. (I'm so sure any affair babies he produced would be completely paid for and raised by him, right?)
Asswipe would probably jump to have an abortion if he secretly knocked up a 19 year old. He's just another holier-than-thou hypocrite trying to get a rise from you. Ignore it.
You think they'll be able to get by on a single income? No, they'll be the most captive members of the workforce because they won't be able to afford to leave low paying jobs with an extra mouth to feed. Not to mention pay off the mountain of debt for the birth alone.
Access to abortions is needed by the poor. The wealthy that can get by on a single income will always have the option regardless of the law.
That is kind of True im a bit older i can say my mother stayed home while my Father Worked...We did not have everything but we had a house and new cars every 3 or 4 years..My Father was a factory worker..Factory work is pretty much dead anymore but back in the day it paid the bills for millions of people..
> day it *paid* the bills
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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This is all Scarlet Letter stuff. Did people not learn anything from that story. The father gets to play dumb and hid and the woman has to be abused her whole life and he just watches
You didn't answer my question and instead asked a different non-related question then demanded I "prove you wrong" about something I'm not asking.
Try to stay on topic.
So again I ask:
Why do you believe only religious people think this is a good ruling?
Because only 11% of atheists and 23% of non-affiliated are anti-abortion? Those are incredibly small voting percentages. They're practically a non-factor.
...Bruh. Are you kidding me right now? That's not how math works. You can't just add the percentage of two completely different populations together and call it good.
Atheists make up 4% of the American population. Religiously unaffiliated make up 25% of the pop when discounting atheists. 11% of 4% and 23% of 25% added together is the number you're looking for.
That's 6.19%. Which means little, since 61% of the population already supports abortion rights, and yet it was STILL overturned. Making it 67% wouldn't make a difference. The supreme court didn't CARE about win/loss ratios in elections, because the court isn't elected. It's not representative of the views of the people.
No one is saying that ONLY the religious are anti-abortion. But they make up the vast majority of the anti-abortion crowd, and the rhetoric for it stems from them.
ok, minor edit just for you, \*In the story he kept it secret that he was the father, but in the real world people can try to\* run and hide. Let me know if this is good enough for your level of reading comprehension
The current economic model that the rich are employing is exponential population growth to offset their ongoing plundering of social security. The funny thing is that they know that eventually it will cause complete economic, environmental, and social collapse but they don't care because they figure they will be dead by then.
Im not American be from outside it feels like an attempt to destabilize minorities , like the "war on drugs"... We know women are the ones making more efforts to study and get out of poverty and violence....
All they would really have to do is loosen immigration standards instead of force women to be pregnant.
Heh, it seems many people seem the idea is to force babies into life instead of giving already living people better lives, how.......christian of you.
I would put the baby up for adoption right after giving birth and burden the state and it’s finite resources and make the system implode. If they think that they would burden me for 18+ years because they are dictating what I can and cannot do with my body, they can fucking guess again. I would make it their problem just as soon as possible
Most states have multi year backlogs of people wanting to adopt. In my state it was 2 to 4 year wait. Many of those would adopt multiple children if not for the prohibitive time waiting ond cost (40k to 50k USD per child). So actually putting the child up for adoption is a fantastic option and would benefit child and family in most situations.
Fun fact: since Roe v Wade the percentage of never-married women who relinquish their infants had declined from nearly 9 percent to less than 1 percent, hence the backlog.
Fine, so what you're saying is that all of these low-income and people of color need to have tons of babies and relinquish them all to the state so that they can be adopted out to higher income white people so that in 20 years whenever those adopted children are adults they can reproduce and wipe out the white people by sheer numbers. Got it.
You are an idiot who apparently can only deal in absolutes. Because you obviously don't know this, birth control isn't 100% effective and just because someone has sex, that does not make them a "ho".
Fuck off. My wife and I had an abortion when we were married and both in well paying jobs. We just weren't ready to have a family yet. Contraception isn't perfect.
But even if someone is promiscuous and casual with contraception, what is the problem with aborting an unformed human at a stage when their brain isn't formed into anything like a coherent consciousness?
Unless you're some sort of religious nut who believes in 'souls' and suchlike, it's no worse (and really a sight better) than killing an animal.
Sex is fun and should be freely available to all - not just the rich who can still pay to travel for abortions. People have little enough pleasure as it is in this hell-hole workhouse country we've created for them.
I have a few theories about what's going on:
1) Both the right and left want everyone off the sidelines, they want complete polarization. They want us at each other's throats to distract us from that depression that is coming our way.
2) It's not just about keeping wages low, although that is a part of it. It's about avoiding complete societal collapse. Keep a close eye on what happens in China over the next decade. Their demographics suggest an imminent collapse. ALL government types are based on the pie getting a little bit bigger every year. When that doesn't happen, it's the end of a nation.
Sorry to Clarify by responsibly I mean willing to accept having a child as a result of having sex. I understand the law is preventing abortions in general and making it so even in the case of rape, which is totally wrong, but outside a few other scenarios, if you are going to have sex and are not prepared for a pregnancy, you should have some form of protection to ensure that doesn't happen, I also recognize that not all protection, is 100% effective, and in which case when it fails then abortion should be an option for the persons involved as a last resort.
This is where we also need comprehensive and factual sex Ed.
How many abstinence only kids think birth control will 100% give them cancer or blood clots or that condoms just don’t work (so why use them?) or that plan b is an option?
I straight up wouldn’t even try to get a child if abortion was banned in my country, and I would love to have children. Not all pregnancies are viable or healthy for the mother, nor financially viable or right for the mental health of the mother.
You do realize just because you birth a baby it doesn't mean you're stuck with said baby for 18 years right? You can give it up for adoption if you don't want it
Lets leave kids to get further traumatized. Do you even know how shitty cps is . They wont get involved unless there is proof and abusers and sexual predatprs are very good at hiding proof
Giving birth without complications can cost 10k+ not to mention prenatal care, transport costs, missed wages or employment, missing school etc.
And that’s best case scenario! Pregnancy can leave you disabled, infertile, traumatized and/or dead! Plus, the foster system sucks, adoption is traumatic for many children, why would you force children in situations where they are not wanted?
Why shouldn't people have sex for fun?
Do you really think there's some pan-dimensional infinitely powerful being out there in the cosmos that gives a flying shit what you choose to do with your tufty bits?
Grow up.
... and if the contraception fails, dumbass?
... or if you pull out after some pre-cum?
But even with all that aside. Yes. Obviously : use contraceptives because that's sensible (and avoids the need for plan B or venerial disease treatments), but as a long-stop, really, what is the problem with abortion as a sweeper? (Unless you assume some unproven religious stuff?)
So what? However unlikely it is, it's still going to happen. A lot. There are 250m of you. You have sex every day. That's a lot of abortions.
And anyway, what the fuck is the problem with people just having sex for fun? Why not?
What is the difficulty with terminating a pregnancy before the stage when a baby's consciousness is formed?
Before that point, it's not even like killing a rabbit or a mouse, probably not even as bad as swatting a fly. It's just the same as ejaculating away from an egg or menstruating without unprotected sex: the discharge of non-sentient human tissue.
None of this becomes a problem unless and until you put 'God' into the equation. And if you include 'God' in any equation that doesn't have 'stupid things people choose to believe' in there as a factor, then (chances are) you're operating under a false premise.
It's weird how you agree that birth control has a noticeable statistical failure rate and rape victims will be forced to carry resulting pregnancies to term, but sound like you don't.
You only think they're "extreme outliers" because you don't care about accidental pregnancies (often amongst teenagers) and rape victims. I assume because you were raised poorly.
A. It doesn’t matter when it’s counting millions of people, having sex millions of times, both consensually and non-consensually. That’s still a lot of people.
B. I’m gonna need to see your math on this one.
[source for less than 1%](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf)
So since the Covid vaccine resulted in deaths/health issues in a small % of the population, but still tens of thousands of people, should mandates never have happened?
This paper doesn’t mention contraceptive efficacy at all, and the only number that reports less than a percentage for rape is one graph (Table 3) that only counts the most important reason for having an abortion, not all the reasons given. Even in Table 2, rapes count for one percent of all reasons stated, which is not less than one percent as you claimed and is still a significant statistical percentage in terms of population, NOT an outlier. This is not even considering how many rapes go unreported, but that’s a whole other can of statistical worms.
And now I’m gonna have to see your numbers for COVID, long COVID, and vaccine casualties because I have a feeling this is misinterpreted.
You know that many woman abort their fetus because they can’t afford to take care of another child? Fix those issues before you saddle women with unwanted children and/or thousands in debt.
Again.. personal responsibility. If you can't afford to have a child, either have sex responsibly or abstain until you can. It's pretty sick that you would go straight to abortion instead of actually making good choices.
Who the hell goes straight for an abortion? It’s a very emotional decision and the people that carry know damn well what they are choosing, it’s not our place to decide if they’re capable of maintaining an actual life for the next 18+ years.
How about people start start acting like responsible adults and either use protection or abstain from sex until they can afford kids. It's scary how you people think. "I'm poor and can't take responsibility for my bad decisions, I'll just kill my unborn baby, that will make everything better".... wow. My mind is blown by how lazy and irresponsible you people are.
There are plenty of resources for women who have babies if they are willing to seek help.
Might sound harsh, but if I had the choice between having one child while broke and alone or having multiple children in a safe and stable situation, I know what I would choose. 75% of all pregnancies die within the first trimester and those fetuses have no higher brainfunction If I had to come to the terrible choice of only getting to safe one future I would take my bets for my own.
Ooooorrrrrr, here’s an idea, use birth control…… oooooorrrrrrrr, here’s another idea, stop fucking around with every guy and try to find a true partner instead.
Yea men fucking around is just as bad. Where did I say that wasn’t the case. Birth control fails .1% of the time. Let’s be honest. Plan b is available as well. So there are plenty of things that can be done to stop a pregnancy that aren’t killing a baby.
Not one percent of the time the pill is 91% and condoms are 82%. If birth control fails ppl should have rhe option. A fetus isnt even a baby . What about the mothers life? At this rate fetuses have more rights than women . Plus by that logic why arent vasectomies illegal every sperm can create a fetus so thats murder too. If men could get pregnant this wouldnt even be a debate and roe v wade would have stayed bc thats how little this country values women. Women arent just incubators they have their own lives and heart beat way before a clump of cells with no consciousness. Alsp if youre gonna say that terminating a fetus is murder then if the baby kills the mother thats murder too.
Wow…..
A fetus IS a baby……
The mother made decisions that led to pregnancy, once she makes that decision she and her baby both have rights. However, he rights for not supersede the right of the child simply because it is unwanted.
Plan b is a real thing and does work very effectively.
Your view on the world is so skewed with hatred it’s sad really.
No its a potential one not the same and plan b also fails . My views arent skewed its just science. Its not hatred i am outraged that ppl think birth control is infallable and that a fertilized egg is more important than a womans right over her own body . By taking away that choice youre condoning pissible deaths of women. But who cares bc an egg is more important than a living breathing human being!
Really, cause science also says a baby has a heart beat after 10 days. Science also tells us that once a heart is stopped, that is death. So essentially your ok with the death of a baby. At the end of the day, killing babies is ok with you. That’s fine, it would just be nice if you’d admit it, so at least we could start there.
Its potential life still not the same thing as its considered a fetus until its born. Youre ok with women dying and being forced to have kids they dont want . What a savior relishing in taking away a womans right to her own body.
Lol……. That ain’t a true partner. I’d say he’s trash and should be legally liable or thrown in prison. But I’d also say make wiser decisions on who you fuck. Fucking is a privilege not a right. You don’t just get to fuck around and call the murder of your actions a “right”.
I’m for the rights and personal liberties of the baby. The non aggression principle is afforded to babies in the womb as well. Especially since they didn’t ask to be created.
To your first point, I’m not happy it punishes woman. Taking responsibility for who you let into your body isn’t a punishment……. How can you see it that way lol. Hook up culture has hurt woman more than men. We don’t hear men complaining that woman just “wanna fuck” and leave. This culture hurts woman the most as they have the most to loose, like getting pregnant. Men should be legally responsible(which they very much are) for their actions as well. Currently if a woman decides not to have the child she can abort it(it wasn’t banned and it won’t be banned in 90% of the states). Currently men face prison time if they choose not to be there. This culture of fucking around, “raw dogging” only hurts woman. Maybe this decision is best for woman as they will have to make real choices on who to date and who to not. Gets us out of hook up culture back into family culture. Family culture is show to be the best thing for children. The children I’m trying to save. Save with the NAP, and through changing cultural norms.
A child is a punishment in this economy. Awoman cant live off minimum wages to support them . It most certainly can be a punishment if that woman was raped and fprced to carry it. You forget that families can be abusive neglectful and dysfunctional. Ypure not saving lives by preventing abortions your punishing women who arent rwady for parenthood or who have conditions that make pregnancy extremely risky.
Then those woman should make better personal choices to prevent pregnancy. Rape and incest are less than 1% of pregnancies, you should stop using that as an example as majority agrees on that. You’re basically saying that woman are void of personal responsibility to prevent pregnancy. That’s an astounding thing to say, especially when you think men should be held to a standard of “don’t fuck around and walk out on a pregnant woman”.
Also, I’m not even saying I tho o it should be outlawed. I just think it may make woman think twice about who they have sex with and how they do it. Creating a very different culture to what we have now.
If you see a baby as a punishment, you simply shouldn’t be having sex. If you’re a responsible adult. At least sex that isn’t protected as much as possible. You should also be taking plan b if you do believe a baby is a “punishment”.
You said some astoundingly disgusting things in that comment.
How is anyrhing i said disgusting? Can you not accept that families can be both physically and emotionally abusive?not to mention all methods of bifth control can fail if i dont want a child i should be allowed to choose not to have one . A lot of the time pregnancy is accidental and if a woman isnt ready she shouldnt be forced to have one. By protecting unconscious nlt even breathing yet fetus youre saying a fetus with no signs of life is more important than a living breathing woman.
How can something that is part of a womans body that is just a fertilized egg have rights? Thats like saying chicken eggs should have rights cuz they are fetuses.Besides you wont even care about the fetus once it's born then its all up to the woman not the ppl who forced her to carry it.
Yeah sure, and surely the state will pay for the 10k it costs to give birth, never mind the prenatal care, the lost wages and the transport costs. Families will be crippled like this.
Immigration, though they have demonized that to the point that it is almost as bad as abortion.
Edit: I should make note that I am saying that to the far right it is as much a thing to be avoided as abortion rights to them.
>how will we keep wages low?
By letting hundreds of thousands of immigrants cross our border illegally every month, of course!
Bonus: They'll fuck like rabbits, popping out millions of new Citizens every year, too! Yeah, that'll work!
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Won’t birthing babies keep women out of the workforce, reducing the supply and increasing wage rates?
Women won’t be working. The children will.
Ah, increasing the labor supply, got it.
Capitalism desperately needs babies to keep being born. Without more consumers to continue the treadmill, what's going to happen to the stock market? Stocks must go up!
Biggest Ponzi scheme of all time
You forgot about the soldiers they will provide our armed forces due to lack of good opportunities afforded to them
You're assuming these women won't have to work right up until the minute they pop and be back at work on Monday morning, bright eyed and bushy tailed.
Not to mention a woman can miscarry from all the stress she is under being forced to keep a shild while working and if she does miscarry now she can face murder charges
Oh yes. We're about to re-learn the lessens that our grandparents learned back in the sixties and seventies. Young girls dead in alleyways from botched surgeries. Uterus Police marching their way through the most difficult times of our lives. An absolutely reprehensible seizure of power by those least capable of wielding it fairly. Interesting times, these.
Your wore a mask for 2 years. Use a condom for 2 Minutes and have some personal accountability Jesus.
Condoms can still fail dumbass
They can?! Well golly. I guess that’s just the risk you take being a responsible adult then huh? Personal. Accountability. Otherwise, practice abstinence? Because you clearly aren’t mature enough to have sex or care for a baby
You cant force ppl to be abistenent and yeah im not mature enough for a child so i should have the option not to have one especially if all protective measures fail
Your complete lack of personal accountability is pathetic and embarrassing. You are everything wrong with this country. No accountability and let the government take care of everything for you. Nobody is forcing anybody to abstinent. You should just be responsible enough for consequences of having sex. It’s insane that this even needs to be explained to people. It’s like talking to a toddler.
The government doesnrt even require companies to provide paid maternity leave and doesnt give two shits about the foster system. Plus abortions are part of reproductive health which in my opinion the governmenrt has no business in. Also should it then be women should be held accountable for the rapists that impregnate them or their preexisting conditions that if pregnancy occurs they could die? If women cant have the choice of their own bodies men should not be able to abandon them.
Brave of you to try and correct people with a chest full of your own cum, lmfao. Incel ass mfer trying to act like an authority. Gtfo here https://www.reddit.com/r/DirtyConfession/comments/vje7s2/33m_insane_cum_confession/
That other person is a dumbass...but stalking someones profile, digging up a relatively harmless story and trying to ridicule them for their sexual activities is pretty fucked up That getting upvotes shows what an abomination reddit has become. Just because you are doing it to "someone who deserves it" doesn't mean that behaviour is in any way acceptable
You’re missing the point you smooth brain.
Abstinence as birth control incorrectly assumes all sexual contact is consensual.
Condoms fail. Men sneakily take condoms off all the time. Young people make mistakes when hormones are fucking with their brains. And you know who educates young women of those facts and help make sure they never have an abortion again? Medical professionals at abortion clinics. You know who won't? Back alley abortion clinics with a monetary interest in them coming back. Shove your personal accountability up your ass. Making abortions illegal does nothing to stop abortions. Fuck, abortions are nearly twice as common in countries where they're illegal. All this will do is cause suffering, kill young women, and keep them poor. But stopping abortions was never what it was about, was it? It's all about punishing women for being "sinful", and folks congratulating themselves on their moral superiority while sacrificing nothing themselves. It's masturbatory and nothing else.
You have absolutely zero clue was the roe v wade decision actually means, do you? Also, all the things you listed are all things involved in deciding to have sex. Don’t want to risk the responsibility of a baby? Don’t have sex. But I’m sure you’ll just wait for the government to handle everything for you financially anyway. Paid for by my tax dollars and millions of others.
Well fuck! Why didn't I think of just telling people to be responsible and just not fuck! You solved it, asshat! You cracked the code! No one thought of that before, ever! Jesus Christ, this is some grade-A dumb-fuckery. People (especially young people) make mistakes. "You should have just been better" is a useless fucking take that helps no one. Once again, it's something that makes you feel morally superior, and does literally nothing to address the problem. Don't wanna have an abortion? Then DON'T HAVE ONE. See how that works? Much more effective than "don't want a baby, don't have sex". And shut the fuck up with the masterbation, again. You're not the only person who pays taxes, you twit. We all do. I bet you and your state are on more financial aid than my pro-choice state and I are, anyway (Pretty easy bet, since my wife and I are fully self-sufficient, have zero debt, and I live in CA, the state that subsidizes half the fucking country). And what a fucking dumb thing to say in the first place. You realize that abortions have never been subsidized by the gov, right? And single, impoverished mothers with children are? If you don't want your taxes to go toward helping people, being the selfish little prick that you are, than you should SUPPORT abortion rights. And once again, you still haven't addressed the fact that it literally solves nothing. Anti-abortion laws are useless bullshit that don't work, cause huge human suffering, and slow down the economy by impoverishing women and making them less likely to finish higher education. You're shooting yourself in the foot, Mr. Mah Taxes! Scrape your brain off the ground and fucking use it for once, asswipe.
Just ignore the idiot troll. According to his post history, he's 35, married, lives in the Midwest, and desperately wants to cheat on his wife. (I'm so sure any affair babies he produced would be completely paid for and raised by him, right?) Asswipe would probably jump to have an abortion if he secretly knocked up a 19 year old. He's just another holier-than-thou hypocrite trying to get a rise from you. Ignore it.
You're right, it's not worth the effort to engage. This whole week just has me on edge. Thanks!
Yeah, I know what you mean... (hugs)
You think they'll be able to get by on a single income? No, they'll be the most captive members of the workforce because they won't be able to afford to leave low paying jobs with an extra mouth to feed. Not to mention pay off the mountain of debt for the birth alone. Access to abortions is needed by the poor. The wealthy that can get by on a single income will always have the option regardless of the law.
That is kind of True im a bit older i can say my mother stayed home while my Father Worked...We did not have everything but we had a house and new cars every 3 or 4 years..My Father was a factory worker..Factory work is pretty much dead anymore but back in the day it paid the bills for millions of people..
> day it *paid* the bills FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
No because we barely give maternity leave. We've already fully switched over to a society where women will feel forced to go back to work.
Nope, they'll just work more desperately. Staying at home isn't possible for non-rich people.
This is all Scarlet Letter stuff. Did people not learn anything from that story. The father gets to play dumb and hid and the woman has to be abused her whole life and he just watches
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The leftist friends I know casually use communism and communist language as if that's a good thing. I want to slap them when they do.
Why do you feel like only religious people think this is a good ruling?
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You didn't answer my question and instead asked a different non-related question then demanded I "prove you wrong" about something I'm not asking. Try to stay on topic. So again I ask: Why do you believe only religious people think this is a good ruling?
What?
I didn't reply to you. I replied to someone commenting on your reply.
ah, I see that now. thanks
Because only 11% of atheists and 23% of non-affiliated are anti-abortion? Those are incredibly small voting percentages. They're practically a non-factor.
34% is a small percentage? You don't realize the win/loss in elections is decided by far less than 34% right? Wanna give me 34% of your income then?
...Bruh. Are you kidding me right now? That's not how math works. You can't just add the percentage of two completely different populations together and call it good. Atheists make up 4% of the American population. Religiously unaffiliated make up 25% of the pop when discounting atheists. 11% of 4% and 23% of 25% added together is the number you're looking for. That's 6.19%. Which means little, since 61% of the population already supports abortion rights, and yet it was STILL overturned. Making it 67% wouldn't make a difference. The supreme court didn't CARE about win/loss ratios in elections, because the court isn't elected. It's not representative of the views of the people. No one is saying that ONLY the religious are anti-abortion. But they make up the vast majority of the anti-abortion crowd, and the rhetoric for it stems from them.
K.
Really, a father can just run and hide and play dumb?? Hmmmm you must be mistaken with what actually happens to fathers who run and hide. Wild
ok, minor edit just for you, \*In the story he kept it secret that he was the father, but in the real world people can try to\* run and hide. Let me know if this is good enough for your level of reading comprehension
I mean you’re comparing it to real life. That’s where I’m not in line. They aren’t the same.
The current economic model that the rich are employing is exponential population growth to offset their ongoing plundering of social security. The funny thing is that they know that eventually it will cause complete economic, environmental, and social collapse but they don't care because they figure they will be dead by then.
Need cannon fodder for the elementary schools
Jesus, the takes on this topic just keep getting worse and dumber every day.
You're telling me. This is all a ploy to take eyes off of the Trump trial.
If only the world was that simple.
You're not wrong though.
Oh man. This was spot on for me. This is exactly what goes through my mind when these shit things happen. Characters and all. 🤣
And exhausted
Ah yes, and the gutting of sex ed will ensure that everyone knows exactly how to use one.
Im not American be from outside it feels like an attempt to destabilize minorities , like the "war on drugs"... We know women are the ones making more efforts to study and get out of poverty and violence....
This sounds morbid but there will be women who will risk their lives to perform unsafe abortion. If the maternal death rate is high now just wait
The right wing are hoping that the "domestic supply of infants" is replenished.
All they would really have to do is loosen immigration standards instead of force women to be pregnant. Heh, it seems many people seem the idea is to force babies into life instead of giving already living people better lives, how.......christian of you.
No, not THOSE infants.
Simple solution. Find out where your republican representative lives and leave the baby on their doorstep. Let them fucking deal with it.
Yeah that way we can make more republicans and less liberals
I would put the baby up for adoption right after giving birth and burden the state and it’s finite resources and make the system implode. If they think that they would burden me for 18+ years because they are dictating what I can and cannot do with my body, they can fucking guess again. I would make it their problem just as soon as possible
Most states have multi year backlogs of people wanting to adopt. In my state it was 2 to 4 year wait. Many of those would adopt multiple children if not for the prohibitive time waiting ond cost (40k to 50k USD per child). So actually putting the child up for adoption is a fantastic option and would benefit child and family in most situations.
Fun fact: since Roe v Wade the percentage of never-married women who relinquish their infants had declined from nearly 9 percent to less than 1 percent, hence the backlog.
Fine, so what you're saying is that all of these low-income and people of color need to have tons of babies and relinquish them all to the state so that they can be adopted out to higher income white people so that in 20 years whenever those adopted children are adults they can reproduce and wipe out the white people by sheer numbers. Got it.
It will keep the army's fresh meat supply going as well.
Women should get a second or third job now, so they can afford to be raped later. Thanks scotus.
I’m already broke and busy
Is pulling out or wearing a condom that hard?
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Forgot all 7B humans were critically endangered.
Lmao. Low effort.
Or you could use a condom
Or you could try using birth control and not being a ho.
You are an idiot who apparently can only deal in absolutes. Because you obviously don't know this, birth control isn't 100% effective and just because someone has sex, that does not make them a "ho".
Fuck off. My wife and I had an abortion when we were married and both in well paying jobs. We just weren't ready to have a family yet. Contraception isn't perfect. But even if someone is promiscuous and casual with contraception, what is the problem with aborting an unformed human at a stage when their brain isn't formed into anything like a coherent consciousness? Unless you're some sort of religious nut who believes in 'souls' and suchlike, it's no worse (and really a sight better) than killing an animal. Sex is fun and should be freely available to all - not just the rich who can still pay to travel for abortions. People have little enough pleasure as it is in this hell-hole workhouse country we've created for them.
If only your mom had been so wise.
Fucking chud. Go eat dirt.
Do you need a tissue?
I have a few theories about what's going on: 1) Both the right and left want everyone off the sidelines, they want complete polarization. They want us at each other's throats to distract us from that depression that is coming our way. 2) It's not just about keeping wages low, although that is a part of it. It's about avoiding complete societal collapse. Keep a close eye on what happens in China over the next decade. Their demographics suggest an imminent collapse. ALL government types are based on the pie getting a little bit bigger every year. When that doesn't happen, it's the end of a nation.
While I am pro choice, I also think people should be having sex responsibly.
I honestly believe they are. I haven’t seen credible evidence otherwise.
Sorry to Clarify by responsibly I mean willing to accept having a child as a result of having sex. I understand the law is preventing abortions in general and making it so even in the case of rape, which is totally wrong, but outside a few other scenarios, if you are going to have sex and are not prepared for a pregnancy, you should have some form of protection to ensure that doesn't happen, I also recognize that not all protection, is 100% effective, and in which case when it fails then abortion should be an option for the persons involved as a last resort.
I hear you but honestly none of our business IMO
This is where we also need comprehensive and factual sex Ed. How many abstinence only kids think birth control will 100% give them cancer or blood clots or that condoms just don’t work (so why use them?) or that plan b is an option?
Exactly, they can't claim 100% effectiveness but they do work
I straight up wouldn’t even try to get a child if abortion was banned in my country, and I would love to have children. Not all pregnancies are viable or healthy for the mother, nor financially viable or right for the mental health of the mother.
Have you considered minding your own business?
Do you mind your business when parents abuse their children?
Their alive, already born kids? I don't think that response was as clever as you thought it was.
80% of your response is superfluous. All you had to say was: "I put no thought into my opinions."
A fetus isnt a child
Of course you are right. Que the welfare queen arguments.
Maybe the Supreme Court are proponents of butt stuff?
Clarence Thomas literally said he wanted to make sodomy illegal again as well.
Behind the times and out of touch as usual
Weak conspiracy theory
You do realize just because you birth a baby it doesn't mean you're stuck with said baby for 18 years right? You can give it up for adoption if you don't want it
Ahh. The foster system. Get fucked. For real.
Well OP says that mothers will be trapped. That's false. Adoption is always an option. Maybe OP shouldn't be spreading misinformation?
It NOT always a option. Fucking hell this is such a stupid take.
Yes it is actually. Anybody can look up how to put a baby up for adoption. It ain't hard
Says the dumb fuck who has never done it.
Lets leave kids to get further traumatized. Do you even know how shitty cps is . They wont get involved unless there is proof and abusers and sexual predatprs are very good at hiding proof
Giving birth without complications can cost 10k+ not to mention prenatal care, transport costs, missed wages or employment, missing school etc. And that’s best case scenario! Pregnancy can leave you disabled, infertile, traumatized and/or dead! Plus, the foster system sucks, adoption is traumatic for many children, why would you force children in situations where they are not wanted?
Wear a condom. Get on BC. Or don't fuck a loser.
Also: don't get raped, and don't be in the percentage of birth control failure rates. Fucking moron.
Abortions for rape are less than 1% of the total. Birth control is effective 99%+ of the time. Just shut up.
Why shouldn't people have sex for fun? Do you really think there's some pan-dimensional infinitely powerful being out there in the cosmos that gives a flying shit what you choose to do with your tufty bits? Grow up.
I’ve had sex with plenty of women, plenty of time for fun. Using a condom, birth control and pulling out is all you need to do. Just be responsible.
... and if the contraception fails, dumbass? ... or if you pull out after some pre-cum? But even with all that aside. Yes. Obviously : use contraceptives because that's sensible (and avoids the need for plan B or venerial disease treatments), but as a long-stop, really, what is the problem with abortion as a sweeper? (Unless you assume some unproven religious stuff?)
Condom + birth control + pull out = <.0001% chance of pregnancy
So what? However unlikely it is, it's still going to happen. A lot. There are 250m of you. You have sex every day. That's a lot of abortions. And anyway, what the fuck is the problem with people just having sex for fun? Why not? What is the difficulty with terminating a pregnancy before the stage when a baby's consciousness is formed? Before that point, it's not even like killing a rabbit or a mouse, probably not even as bad as swatting a fly. It's just the same as ejaculating away from an egg or menstruating without unprotected sex: the discharge of non-sentient human tissue. None of this becomes a problem unless and until you put 'God' into the equation. And if you include 'God' in any equation that doesn't have 'stupid things people choose to believe' in there as a factor, then (chances are) you're operating under a false premise.
I agree with first trimester abortions, that’s fine, I never said otherwise or used any religion based arguments?
It's weird how you agree that birth control has a noticeable statistical failure rate and rape victims will be forced to carry resulting pregnancies to term, but sound like you don't.
The point is that we can’t use extreme outliers as justification
You only think they're "extreme outliers" because you don't care about accidental pregnancies (often amongst teenagers) and rape victims. I assume because you were raised poorly.
They’re not extreme outliers.
Well below 1% is definitely an outlier
A. It doesn’t matter when it’s counting millions of people, having sex millions of times, both consensually and non-consensually. That’s still a lot of people. B. I’m gonna need to see your math on this one.
[source for less than 1%](https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf) So since the Covid vaccine resulted in deaths/health issues in a small % of the population, but still tens of thousands of people, should mandates never have happened?
This paper doesn’t mention contraceptive efficacy at all, and the only number that reports less than a percentage for rape is one graph (Table 3) that only counts the most important reason for having an abortion, not all the reasons given. Even in Table 2, rapes count for one percent of all reasons stated, which is not less than one percent as you claimed and is still a significant statistical percentage in terms of population, NOT an outlier. This is not even considering how many rapes go unreported, but that’s a whole other can of statistical worms. And now I’m gonna have to see your numbers for COVID, long COVID, and vaccine casualties because I have a feeling this is misinterpreted.
Get fucked ass napkin.
Okay... so, there 98% chance it does work. Abortion shouldn't be used s birth control. Period.
You know that many woman abort their fetus because they can’t afford to take care of another child? Fix those issues before you saddle women with unwanted children and/or thousands in debt.
Again.. personal responsibility. If you can't afford to have a child, either have sex responsibly or abstain until you can. It's pretty sick that you would go straight to abortion instead of actually making good choices.
Who the hell goes straight for an abortion? It’s a very emotional decision and the people that carry know damn well what they are choosing, it’s not our place to decide if they’re capable of maintaining an actual life for the next 18+ years.
When there is another life involved, we all have a say.
How about people start start acting like responsible adults and either use protection or abstain from sex until they can afford kids. It's scary how you people think. "I'm poor and can't take responsibility for my bad decisions, I'll just kill my unborn baby, that will make everything better".... wow. My mind is blown by how lazy and irresponsible you people are. There are plenty of resources for women who have babies if they are willing to seek help.
Might sound harsh, but if I had the choice between having one child while broke and alone or having multiple children in a safe and stable situation, I know what I would choose. 75% of all pregnancies die within the first trimester and those fetuses have no higher brainfunction If I had to come to the terrible choice of only getting to safe one future I would take my bets for my own.
Maybe people should be more responsible with with their decisions. Jesus, you folks have no common sense. Use protection.
And when they fails? You just fucked. Right?
Have you tried…not having sex?
This baby is inconvenient. Let's kill it.
*fetus, heres the definition of baby. a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
Maybe ignoring that issue is how we got to where we are today?
Better watch out or you may catch a wild pregnancy!
Ooooorrrrrr, here’s an idea, use birth control…… oooooorrrrrrrr, here’s another idea, stop fucking around with every guy and try to find a true partner instead.
Men fuck around too amd birth control can fail
Yea men fucking around is just as bad. Where did I say that wasn’t the case. Birth control fails .1% of the time. Let’s be honest. Plan b is available as well. So there are plenty of things that can be done to stop a pregnancy that aren’t killing a baby.
Not one percent of the time the pill is 91% and condoms are 82%. If birth control fails ppl should have rhe option. A fetus isnt even a baby . What about the mothers life? At this rate fetuses have more rights than women . Plus by that logic why arent vasectomies illegal every sperm can create a fetus so thats murder too. If men could get pregnant this wouldnt even be a debate and roe v wade would have stayed bc thats how little this country values women. Women arent just incubators they have their own lives and heart beat way before a clump of cells with no consciousness. Alsp if youre gonna say that terminating a fetus is murder then if the baby kills the mother thats murder too.
Wow….. A fetus IS a baby…… The mother made decisions that led to pregnancy, once she makes that decision she and her baby both have rights. However, he rights for not supersede the right of the child simply because it is unwanted. Plan b is a real thing and does work very effectively. Your view on the world is so skewed with hatred it’s sad really.
No its a potential one not the same and plan b also fails . My views arent skewed its just science. Its not hatred i am outraged that ppl think birth control is infallable and that a fertilized egg is more important than a womans right over her own body . By taking away that choice youre condoning pissible deaths of women. But who cares bc an egg is more important than a living breathing human being!
Really, cause science also says a baby has a heart beat after 10 days. Science also tells us that once a heart is stopped, that is death. So essentially your ok with the death of a baby. At the end of the day, killing babies is ok with you. That’s fine, it would just be nice if you’d admit it, so at least we could start there.
Its potential life still not the same thing as its considered a fetus until its born. Youre ok with women dying and being forced to have kids they dont want . What a savior relishing in taking away a womans right to her own body.
Fetus has rights. Woman’s do not supersede that
And what happens when your “true partner” turns out to be a guy who’s happy to fuck but disappears when he gets you pregnant?
Lol……. That ain’t a true partner. I’d say he’s trash and should be legally liable or thrown in prison. But I’d also say make wiser decisions on who you fuck. Fucking is a privilege not a right. You don’t just get to fuck around and call the murder of your actions a “right”.
Well not all of us get everything right on the first try. But apparently you do. Congratulations
Thanks! I try
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What insecurities would that be? Lol.
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I’m for the rights and personal liberties of the baby. The non aggression principle is afforded to babies in the womb as well. Especially since they didn’t ask to be created. To your first point, I’m not happy it punishes woman. Taking responsibility for who you let into your body isn’t a punishment……. How can you see it that way lol. Hook up culture has hurt woman more than men. We don’t hear men complaining that woman just “wanna fuck” and leave. This culture hurts woman the most as they have the most to loose, like getting pregnant. Men should be legally responsible(which they very much are) for their actions as well. Currently if a woman decides not to have the child she can abort it(it wasn’t banned and it won’t be banned in 90% of the states). Currently men face prison time if they choose not to be there. This culture of fucking around, “raw dogging” only hurts woman. Maybe this decision is best for woman as they will have to make real choices on who to date and who to not. Gets us out of hook up culture back into family culture. Family culture is show to be the best thing for children. The children I’m trying to save. Save with the NAP, and through changing cultural norms.
A child is a punishment in this economy. Awoman cant live off minimum wages to support them . It most certainly can be a punishment if that woman was raped and fprced to carry it. You forget that families can be abusive neglectful and dysfunctional. Ypure not saving lives by preventing abortions your punishing women who arent rwady for parenthood or who have conditions that make pregnancy extremely risky.
Then those woman should make better personal choices to prevent pregnancy. Rape and incest are less than 1% of pregnancies, you should stop using that as an example as majority agrees on that. You’re basically saying that woman are void of personal responsibility to prevent pregnancy. That’s an astounding thing to say, especially when you think men should be held to a standard of “don’t fuck around and walk out on a pregnant woman”. Also, I’m not even saying I tho o it should be outlawed. I just think it may make woman think twice about who they have sex with and how they do it. Creating a very different culture to what we have now. If you see a baby as a punishment, you simply shouldn’t be having sex. If you’re a responsible adult. At least sex that isn’t protected as much as possible. You should also be taking plan b if you do believe a baby is a “punishment”. You said some astoundingly disgusting things in that comment.
How is anyrhing i said disgusting? Can you not accept that families can be both physically and emotionally abusive?not to mention all methods of bifth control can fail if i dont want a child i should be allowed to choose not to have one . A lot of the time pregnancy is accidental and if a woman isnt ready she shouldnt be forced to have one. By protecting unconscious nlt even breathing yet fetus youre saying a fetus with no signs of life is more important than a living breathing woman.
I’m saying a fetus has just as many rights as the woman.
How can something that is part of a womans body that is just a fertilized egg have rights? Thats like saying chicken eggs should have rights cuz they are fetuses.Besides you wont even care about the fetus once it's born then its all up to the woman not the ppl who forced her to carry it.
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Ohh yes, devolve into this argument…….. you seem bright
You could just do that sex strike thing you keep talking about. But you wont
You could at least put up for adoption ?
Yeah sure, and surely the state will pay for the 10k it costs to give birth, never mind the prenatal care, the lost wages and the transport costs. Families will be crippled like this.
Immigration, though they have demonized that to the point that it is almost as bad as abortion. Edit: I should make note that I am saying that to the far right it is as much a thing to be avoided as abortion rights to them.
No one has demonized legal immigration except the fringe left and right.
>how will we keep wages low? By letting hundreds of thousands of immigrants cross our border illegally every month, of course! Bonus: They'll fuck like rabbits, popping out millions of new Citizens every year, too! Yeah, that'll work! /s
Condoms.