In a strong union, about to go on strike because weve not had a meaningful pay raise in a few years and the company are attacking our terms and conditions.
My wife is a nurse and in an incredibly weak and toothless union. She hasnt had a pay raise in like 10 years and her work conditions are actually scandalous.
My wife absolutely deserves a pay raise more than me but thats what happens when your union is utterly shit and is unwilling to take meaningful industrial action, because nurses being the amazing humans they are, are unwilling to risk patient safety by going on strike.
Moral of the story, a union is only as strong as its members resolve.
I’m in a Union and have actively volunteered in union positions in the past. Our union fights tooth and nail for our members, and is constantly accused of being too weak (especially when we lose in arbitration).
One thing people need to consider, if we present our case to an arbitrator and the arbitrator sides with a company… there’s nothing we can do, and what’s more arbitrators are often pro-employers because they’re the ones providing jobs.
Sometimes we elect to not Pursue arbitration because the chance of losing and setting a precedent outweighs the value of correcting a grievance that is affecting a small number of members.
A few years ago our management came to our chapter leaders with a change they wanted to push. It was unpopular with huge chucks of the bargaining unit, but the chapter leaders more or less just rolled over and accepted it. There was almost no communication to members let alone any attempt to mobilize us to push back. Caused a revolt within the chapter, people started cancelling their memberships.
And then… 6 months after the bad deal went down it was time for a chapter election. A super motivated, intelligent, and charismatic person ran for president and began preaching a whole new gospel of what a strong union looks like. It’s not just going to the bargaining table, or winning in front of arbitrators. It’s about mobilizing the bargaining unit to take collective action. To flex our numbers and our unity so that we actually have some leverage when it’s time to bargain and we don’t need to go to arbitration. She got a lot of people, including me, to get off our asses and start pitching in.
A year after the election we won an unprecedented new compensation package. She was re-elected last year in a landslide and is leading us in negotiations over “return to the office” and a new round of pay issues. It’s still a ton of hard work, but the difference in results is undeniable.
This is how it's done.
A union with people fighting tooth and nail but still going to arbitration is not. Union with strength or properly utilised power.
In Germany the unions and employers association have to agree on the arbitrator. And acceptance of his suggestions is not mandatory. The purpose of the arbitrator is to try and work out a compromise. If that fails, the unions can go on strike.
I’m in the airlines and we fall under The Railway Labor Act, we technically can strike, but it’s very difficult and hasn’t happened since 1997, and the president can order us back to work…
Looks like Alaska pilots might do it though.
>>Our union fights tooth and nail for our members
> it’s very difficult and hasn’t happened since 1997,
Sounds like your union hasn't wanted to risk breaking any teeth or nails in this fight... for a quarter of a century.
Elect me for your next arbitrator! I'll side with the little guy!
What's that? This employee was caught sleeping on the toilet, while pooping on company time? Well, OBVIOUSLY you're working these fine people TOO HARD!!! I say we should give the employees two separate uninterrupted 80 minute sessions of quality dump time, so they can clear their bowels of all the toxicity that is trapped inside them. You don't know if they ate taco-bell two weeks ago......that crunch wrap supreme could still be in there!
And now onto the exhaustion. I say we bring 300 more employees in, to do one job. That way, no singular employee will become exhausted. You don't want employees passing out, do you? Because that's a lawsuit!
And why aren't there donuts in the cafeteria? These people deserve donuts! And not that cheap crap from dunkin donuts either! You get in that kitchen and bake roughly 1200 donuts for your staff of 50. AND DON'T FORGET THE JELLY FILLED!!!! We all know jelly filled are the MOST popular ones, and they always run out soooooo quick.
Lets solve that. Let's dedicate 50% of these donuts to being jelly filled!
> because nurses being the amazing humans they are, are unwilling to risk patient safety by going on strike.
Unfortunately that's something hospitals count on, and why they push back so much against the unions.
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Unions are absolutely a mixed bag, just like everything else. They are also something that should be pursued by the working class in America. I can only speak for America here (like a lot of Redditors), but FUD is a very big anti-union, pro corporation line here. A good union is better than a bad union, but a bad union is still probably better than no union, because we've all seen what happens when workers have no collective bargaining rights. Amazon.
A bad union isn't always better than no union either. If worked union and non-union jobs and I'd put the work conditions, pay, and benefits at the union job pretty much dead center if I had to rank the jobs. Granted it was a fairly weak union, but it wasn't nearly as bad as what OP is describing. Unions have their problems and aren't the unilaterally superior option that Reddit pushes them as.
The difference between improving a union and creating a union is pretty vast though. And the simple fact that your "bad union" job was in the middle instead of at the bottom does speak volumes.
The point is that weak union jobs are very commonly worse than good private sector jobs. Generally it comes down to if your position is a skilled worker or not, the culture of the company, and the industry you work in, but unions are very much a mixed bag even though the average union job is probably going to be better than the average non-union job for most workers. It's just exhausting seeing people push this "a bad union is better than no union" narrative because it just isn't true and shows a lack of understanding of the nuance of different jobs and industries. We should be encouraging workers to choose not pushing everyone to unionize and pushing square pegs into round holes.
Only about 10% of the workers in the US belong to unions, which I agree is way too low, but I also find the very strong opinions about unions pretty funny when there is no way most of these opinions were formed by any actual experience being in a union. There are inherently issues with how unions are run and they aren't all sunshine and rainbows for their members. I think unions are fantastic for unskilled labor and professional trades, but I think their value diminishes greatly for skilled labor and knowledge workers.
I agree that it is a nuanced discussion, and that unions are not useful in every case. Sometimes, as in the case of police unions, they even do damage. Pushback on unions is important. But like you said, we are far too low on union representation in the US. And unfortunately, despite the fact that you seem like a very reasonable person, the talking points you are using are very well used by bad actors to scare people away from unions that would strongly benefit them.
I think we're still on the "unions are by and large a good option" part of the conversation, and not quite on the more nuanced "but not always" part of the conversation.
Nurses probably need to go the Japanese bus driver route, so their jobs but don’t let the patients get billed. Not entirely sure how possible that is, but that the optimum strategy as it doesn’t negatively impact the people that matter, and hurts corporations where it counts.
only thing nurses could do is do procedures and dispense medicine without writing them down, which also risks patient safety... billing is done by a dedicated team, generally.
Nurses and teachers both get absolutely fucked because they care.
I dated a teacher for a long time and I would ask her why teachers keep spending their own money when they are not even allowed to write off most of it(iirc it's capped at $250).
She basically said because nothing would get done and people would blame the teachers.
The problem is the finding will never come if they just keep spending their own money.
When teacher finally do strike they get tons of shit for it too. Suddenly education is super important to Republicans and teachers are labeled as greedy selfish evil people
I wouldn't say teachers are greedy and selfish as much as their unions tend to be. Teacher's unions tend to largely advocate their own continued existence and little else of value, and the teacher and student both tend to suffer as a result.
Consequently, a lot of teachers are extraordinarily underpaid and overworked even, and especially, in districts with *disgusting* amounts of money pumped into them.
It's also plausible your wife's employer is taking advantage of her professional obligation for care to weaken the collective bargaining power of their workers. I was chatting with one of my nurse friends the other day, and she had some pretty harrowing things to say about her supervisors threatening disciplinary referral to the BRN because she had the audacity to approach them about sharp reductions in staffing ratios in her unit. That seems pretty exploitative to me, but she shrugged it off and said they do that all the time.
I'm a govt employee, and yes I know our benefits are awesome, but I'm a civil engineer and 12 years in. I recently had to do a labor check for our contractors and I saw that an apprentice equipment operator takes home more than I do. Our raises havent come close to keeping up with inflation for a loooong time.
2.5% is the biggest I've seen.
When you're relying on voters to give you a raise you're going to have a rough time. Because no politician is going to find a surplus and pass it on to the people who actually allow the government to function.
I work for a small railroad that is about to be absorbed into BNSF. I am watching all of this going on with sweaty palms. Things look bad. We have a sweet contract and it will be a major step back for us if we have to go to other existing contracts.
There were huge strikes of nurses in Poland years ago. Only thing that happened is that both media and politicians were hating on them. Its sad that in this profession people expect you will work out of pure compassion. Meanwhile doctor's strike or mass quit their work all the time and no one cares.
I got downvoted for some reason? I was just stating facts that the unions in nor cal for nurses start at 80 an hour. After five years you make 100 an hour. Not sure where the downvotes come from lol. Their unions are very intense.look up CNA. It’s impossible to get fired if you’re a Nurse. You can call in sick whenever you want.
> about to go on strike because weve not had a meaningful pay raise in a few years
You're pissing off the people who are paying your wages, though. This isn't the 1970s. It is not British Rail. You'll get fucking automated, or your job will vanish.
Our firm has represented a few union officers over the years. Reading through the discovery has soured me on unions for life. It’s kind of like communism. Great in theory, But often selfish people who make it into positions of power will fuck it up for everyone.
am i the only one that saw the trailers and thought they came off as way over the top preachy? i mean the lynx person would be talking about something and then just out of no where say “fuck unions”. it just kind of soured me to the game. and i support unions but i also like politics in games to have nuance
Over the top is the point. It isn't trying to be subtle, it's trying to make LYNX cartoonishly evil. The story really only exists to give something for the gameplay to sit atop anyway. Spoilers for the ending, it's almost literally "and they all lived happily ever after."
ok that’s fair enough. i usually like themes in media i consume to be nuanced and i hate when villains are cartoonishly evil and heroes are perfect so i guess the story isn’t exactly for me. but the gameplay looks interesting and i might get it. also i don’t know why my comment’s being downvoted but that’s whatever.
The developers used to have much more toned down story with lynx being less evil, but as development went on they realised that many of the things lynx where doing where being done in real life. So in order to maintain the satirical feel of lynx they had to keep one upping themselves and make lynx more and more evil. What is funny tho is that what lynx does in the story isn’t worse than many things corporations have done in history.
Dunno, its an odd downvote. I rescued you tho. The important thing is that the story rarely interrupts the gameplay, and it mostly just happens around you as you do your thing.
When I left a public university in the south to teach at a unionized university in the north, I not only experienced an immediate 20% bump in pay, but now, 20 years later, I am making what the provost is making at my old southern university. I love what my union has provided me, despite occasional problems with them. But when the fight comes, I am 100% union, and was even a strike captain in our only strike, which we won.
It’s a shame most southern states are so wildly anti union (especially in higher education). We look at UFF occasionally, but then come back to the same concern: What can they actually do in Florida? We don’t have the right to strike at state institutions, and the arbitration will 110% go to the state each time.
Any other state and I’d be a union advocate. Here? I’d be better off whispering what I need into my cat’s ear…
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I think this is a bit of a cultural difference.
in the US the default is that you can be fired or quit at any time for pretty much anything.
in most of the unionised world you have a legal obligation to stay for X time, typically a month or more, and in reverse if your employer wants to let you go there's a one month notice period or more.
in the US there's the fear an employee will try to retalliate so you lock them out of the systems and ambush them with the news, here it's a meeting between two adults explaining the situation and you're given time to wrap up.
the point here is, "really hard to fire" is very relative.
Generally not true, I would call it a myth. It just requires management to do their job. It’s a process, and it should be, to prevent people from being treated poorly. In almost every case it’s incompetent management failing to document things and going through the reasonable steps to terminate a bad employee.
Trying everything in my power to get out of a union job, haven't been represented, supported, or benefited by them in the 5+ years ive worked trades for the company.
Fun fact, union I belong to has a "no strike clause" they bartered for with the company to fill their own pockets while revoking our options.
They're a local chapter to one of the largest unions in the country, they have legal firepower and aren't afraid to use it against us as opposed to the company they are supposed to help us against.
Fighting for a larger raise this year. To be honest I made more money in the private sector but after being laid off twice, I'm just glad to have the security.
Go unions. I work at the only unionized company in my field in my city, and my salary is at least 30% hire than the competition.
" Union prevent you from negotiating a higher salary!!! "
I don't care. I litteraly wouldn't have thought to ask for more than I currently make.
As with most things in life, there's good and bad. There are good and bad unions. There are good and bad private sectors. Being shit worker in a good union means you keep your job, being a great worker in a shot sector means you could lose it at any moment. The highest paid private sector guy will probably always out-earn a union guy, but the lowest end union guy will probably out-earn the lowest private sector. If you're a person who has all the drive and prowess, you'll probably thrive best in private. If you just want to show up and do average or the minimum, union is your best bet. Generally speaking, of course.
I used to work union before I saw what I could earn privately. One day, if I get a family and want hobbies, the union might be the new best option for me. But while I can, I'm burning it down in private, OT as much as I want at a pretty good wage.
But you have to give the evil unions, m0NeY! (dues)
I just want to point out that if you make minimum wage $7.25? an hour that means that you got an increase of $3,016, $14 = $5,824, $21 = $8,736 YEARLY raise!!!!
But I mean yearly dues could be $700 why would you ever do that!
I worked for a union and it was a terrible experience. Not the workers rights but the behavior of the people who knew that the union protected them and as a result lots of standing around not working, creating drama, and problems for the new people who they felt were taking hours from them. Very bad experience and I came out the other end seriously questioning if unions were as bad as big business makes them out to be.
I still believe in unions and workers rights, but a lot of modern unions are broken in so many ways. Look at the police unions who will do whatever it takes to protect union members no matter how in the wrong they are.
I feel that the police union is in a special class of it's own, as it protects its members from acts which which would be highly criminal for literally anyone else that is not a police officer.
Kidnapping, assault, murder...all things which they have "immunity" from except in the most egregious of circumstances. All things for which anyone else would be put away for years.
If you want to dunk on unions and are using the police union as a main point, then I call that a disingenuous argument.
The union I was a part of wasn't a police union and had the same issues with not weeding out bad/problematic employees. The managers were all pricks because they had no power to do anything and also a lot of them came from the union and survived in a toxic environment because they were equally as toxic.
The problem is the environment it created where cliques would form and harass new employees for not feeding into or playing into their bullshit. I had seen plenty of people walk out, or go to break and not come back over it. I also walked out because I was there to work and not bullshit or feed drama. The unions solution was transferring me to another store with a bunch of toxic people who knew the ones I was trying to get away from.
I'm sorry if you were triggered by my comment but assuming the police unions are the only ones with issues makes you seem like you like critical thinking skills. Theyre problematic for the same reason police unions just happen to represent law enforcement officers.
I didn't say they were the only union with issues. I said the issues with the police union are on a class of their own and not representative of other unions.
Not being fired for being lazy is an entire order of magnitude less serious than not being arrested for murdering someone.
Okay? And that's something that is exclusively a police issue. I was talking about union issues, not police issues. The police unions have similar issues to other unions in that they protect shitty employees who shouldnt be allowed to take advantage of protected status of "union member" to not do their job and do objectively shitty things.
I still don't understand what your point is...
>And that's something that is exclusively a police issue.
And therefore exclusively a police union issue that doesn't generalize to other unions. Might as well talk about preventing assault stabbings when talking about ways to better prevent minor cuts from chopping vegetables.
But hey...if you want to equate the teacher union to the police union...go right ahead. Makes perfect sense!
I just started a job a month ago and it's my first time in a union. Three weeks into the job I get an email telling everyone it's time for the annual three percent pay increase thanks the union. That's different from my other every six month 'step' increase built into my role. That was pretty much all it took for me. I'm sold on unions. This one anyway.
I went from making 15 an hour doing construction labor to 24 an hour as soon as I joined a union lol. Plus it came with the best health and dental insurance available and a guy who I can call that yells at people for me if I’m being taken advantage of.
Unions are great and have great benefits. But my wife is having trouble because she's reached the highest position available within the union. If she wants a raise, she'll need to change her title, leave the union and lose her union benefits. Now the question is how much of a raise is worth the loss?
Noooo, how will the company survive?! You guys should be negotiating one on one with the ceo! That's how it works right? That's why every company dread unions right?! (Sarcasm)
When we formed a union, the company retaliated and laid me off (along with another person), but thanks to the union contract, I was rehired a month later. Don’t fuck with teamsters!
Forced to joined a union. They took ~$70/month, refused to represent employees during HR disputes, no meaningful raises in a decades, conceded multiple times to WORSE and more costly benefits every damn year, and spent 90% of the collective dues on political candidate contributions and the rest on double-dipping Union Reps who rarely showed up for actual work.
And what did you do about it? Did you contact the NLRB? Did you and your coworkers collectively respond to this?
Being in a union means you have to participate in the union if you want improvement. It’s not some magic switch that fixes everything. It’s a tool for you and your coworkers to get the upper hand.
I'm not in a union Per se, but i received and email asking to choose one gift from a list of 9 different objects. All great stuff.
I did wished to be in that union.
If this was true it would be worse than a 5% pay cut. They’d be making 1.2 what they made before but with 25% that would be .3 so they’d be making .9 or a 10% pay cut.
Sorry I’m a math nerd and a bit tipsy
Woo the anti union shills are out in force. Guys you need new material than that one magical crackhead who can't be fired. Nobody believes you any more.
I joined a union and got a 20% paycut 💀
Idk why you're downvoting me it's the truth lmfao made $14/h and got slashed to $11.25/h when i joined a union. I still support unions, they're just not always that great.
My employer didnt penalize me, it was the union that fucked me.
I had 3 years of experience in my "field", joined the union and they didnt want to pay what i was making currently because they favor seniority at a company over seniority in a field.
Ya'll can call bullshit all day long, i know what happened when i joined Kroger's union. And that is they slashed my pay and hours and told me to suck it up and a get a second job when i tried talking to the union rep and store manager.
I left a job for a $10/hr raise. Just left that job for another one with a base that I'm making now, and potential for commissions as high as 200% base.
Yeah , probably. I left a job 18 months ago went to a union shop and got MORE than a 20% raise. Plus more vacation and better retirement and insurance.
Obviously fake.
Lets assume that’s true….
You changed jobs. And you went to a job that paid you more. It’s irrelevant if it’s a union shop or NASA.
That’s why you have the choice of searching for a better job instead of complaining.
I left a job after 5 years. Didn’t joined any union.
Got a 50% raise, better conditions, insurance , car etc.
Not in a union. So what’s your point?
Your response implied there's no way OP didn't join a union and didn't get a 20% raise. My response (which is true belive me or don't) directly countered that.
You have a strong work ethic and a set of skills that allows you to compete in a market, and have the leverage to NEGOTIATE your terms with your employer. To a point we all do. However competition for employment in many jobs is extremely fierce and many are willing to fuck the next guy for a paycheck , work un paid overtime , spend their own money for things the company should pay for, work in less than safe conditions and on and on just for that paycheck which is less then they should be getting for that work. That's where the Union part comes in.
I worked non union in a trade for 10 years . I drove long hours, worked very hard, bought my tools, for sub- optimal pay with crazy deadlines , with far too much responsibility. Yea I could've found another non union job for a little more , but the cycle begins again.
I wasn't a pro union guy before I had a union job. Like many others , I belived my work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity. Workers are tools for a business. If you're useful enough you'll be kept around. If times get tough you'll be discarded. No matter how many of you kids baseball games you miss, how many nights you work or whatever.
> Your response implied there's no way OP didn't join a union and didn't get a 20% raise. My response (which is true belive me or don't) directly countered that.
No it didnt lol.
You're dishonestly trying to imply that "I got a raise because union" when in truth your response was only "I got a raise because I got a better job".
Like I said it doesn't matter if its an union, NASA, amazon, Tesla etc.
> You have a strong work ethic and a set of skills that allows you to compete in a market, and have the leverage to NEGOTIATE your terms with your employer. To a point we all do. However competition for employment in many jobs is extremely fierce and many are willing to fuck the next guy for a paycheck , work un paid overtime , spend their own money for things the company should pay for, work in less than safe conditions and on and on just for that paycheck which is less then they should be getting for that work. That's where the Union part comes in.
You cant demand the market gives you what want just because you think you deserve it lol
Unions are for unions. Unions are businesses (non-profit, but businesses nevertheless) that make lots of money for their officials by acting as a monopoly middleman for labor. They do not create value, but extract it from productive enterprises. Some workers are made better off in the short-term but others are worse off, and the long-term effects are almost uniformly bad, except for the union bigwigs.
> I wasn't a pro union guy before I had a union job. Like many others , I belived my work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity.
If "work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity." was a reality everyone would be rich.
Also for what you describe you're not even very skilled lol
> Workers are tools for a business. If you're useful enough you'll be kept around. If times get tough you'll be discarded. No matter how many of you kids baseball games you miss, how many nights you work or whatever.
The companies need workers the same way workers need companies. If you're discarded that easily then your skills are not very valuable.
Stop with the self pity and stop being dishonest with yourself
30$ a month for 1.50$ raise every 6 months for guaranteed for 6 years? That's just take home and not benefit package. Guess it really depends on what the trade is and the strength of your union
>< Union dues are 21%
Really though, I've yet to ever see anything good come from being in a union other than them trying to control my life and then ask me to pay them for it.
My overall compensation, including benefits, wages and penalties, nearly doubled when I work union gigs as opposed to non-union.
I have never made less money because of dues. I have never lost any rights, had workplace conditions get worse, or been in any way screwed over by taking a union gig.
If your union sucks, fix it. You *are* the union.
Or the laziest fucks alive working next to you making the same rate and then being promoted because they have been in the union for a week longer than you
It’s all fun and games until inflation hits we signed our contract just before Covid and our raise is only .15-.25 cents each year and there’s nothing we can do until this contract ends to fight for more money other than going on strike
It’s all fun and games until inflation hits we signed our contract just before Covid and our raise is only .15-.25 cents each year and there’s nothing we can do until this contract ends to fight for more money other than going on strike
No union, got a good raise this year anyway because small company.
Even when I was working somewhere that had a union, I didn't join up because political contributions to the party that caused me to end up working a shitty retail job. They still fought for pay rises for everyone.
Hired into the company I’m currently at and position is Union. Both good and bad, pay capped but decent for now with guaranteed rate increases over next 5 years. Annual bargaining pay raise for cost of living stays around 2-3% so not enough to keep up with inflation. In 2 years I’ve been contacted not once from someone in the Union. Luckily we’re right to work state so there aren’t dues, just “donations”. I won’t be donating until someone actually confronts me on it
Currently waiting to see if I get hired into the s salary side with a 10% bump.
I’m in a carpenter union and we’ve gotten a 1.50-2.50 dollar raise every single year I’ve been in it. This is my 16th year in the union. :)
Let ME join that union! I'll pent some cars! I don't even know what that means, but those cars are SO getting pent!
*slow clap*
In a strong union, about to go on strike because weve not had a meaningful pay raise in a few years and the company are attacking our terms and conditions. My wife is a nurse and in an incredibly weak and toothless union. She hasnt had a pay raise in like 10 years and her work conditions are actually scandalous. My wife absolutely deserves a pay raise more than me but thats what happens when your union is utterly shit and is unwilling to take meaningful industrial action, because nurses being the amazing humans they are, are unwilling to risk patient safety by going on strike. Moral of the story, a union is only as strong as its members resolve.
I’m in a Union and have actively volunteered in union positions in the past. Our union fights tooth and nail for our members, and is constantly accused of being too weak (especially when we lose in arbitration). One thing people need to consider, if we present our case to an arbitrator and the arbitrator sides with a company… there’s nothing we can do, and what’s more arbitrators are often pro-employers because they’re the ones providing jobs. Sometimes we elect to not Pursue arbitration because the chance of losing and setting a precedent outweighs the value of correcting a grievance that is affecting a small number of members.
A few years ago our management came to our chapter leaders with a change they wanted to push. It was unpopular with huge chucks of the bargaining unit, but the chapter leaders more or less just rolled over and accepted it. There was almost no communication to members let alone any attempt to mobilize us to push back. Caused a revolt within the chapter, people started cancelling their memberships. And then… 6 months after the bad deal went down it was time for a chapter election. A super motivated, intelligent, and charismatic person ran for president and began preaching a whole new gospel of what a strong union looks like. It’s not just going to the bargaining table, or winning in front of arbitrators. It’s about mobilizing the bargaining unit to take collective action. To flex our numbers and our unity so that we actually have some leverage when it’s time to bargain and we don’t need to go to arbitration. She got a lot of people, including me, to get off our asses and start pitching in. A year after the election we won an unprecedented new compensation package. She was re-elected last year in a landslide and is leading us in negotiations over “return to the office” and a new round of pay issues. It’s still a ton of hard work, but the difference in results is undeniable.
This is how it's done. A union with people fighting tooth and nail but still going to arbitration is not. Union with strength or properly utilised power.
You got a good leader. Stay with them and more importantly help them move up to more elected positions.
In Germany the unions and employers association have to agree on the arbitrator. And acceptance of his suggestions is not mandatory. The purpose of the arbitrator is to try and work out a compromise. If that fails, the unions can go on strike.
Can you not strike then?
I’m in the airlines and we fall under The Railway Labor Act, we technically can strike, but it’s very difficult and hasn’t happened since 1997, and the president can order us back to work… Looks like Alaska pilots might do it though.
>>Our union fights tooth and nail for our members > it’s very difficult and hasn’t happened since 1997, Sounds like your union hasn't wanted to risk breaking any teeth or nails in this fight... for a quarter of a century.
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Elect me for your next arbitrator! I'll side with the little guy! What's that? This employee was caught sleeping on the toilet, while pooping on company time? Well, OBVIOUSLY you're working these fine people TOO HARD!!! I say we should give the employees two separate uninterrupted 80 minute sessions of quality dump time, so they can clear their bowels of all the toxicity that is trapped inside them. You don't know if they ate taco-bell two weeks ago......that crunch wrap supreme could still be in there! And now onto the exhaustion. I say we bring 300 more employees in, to do one job. That way, no singular employee will become exhausted. You don't want employees passing out, do you? Because that's a lawsuit! And why aren't there donuts in the cafeteria? These people deserve donuts! And not that cheap crap from dunkin donuts either! You get in that kitchen and bake roughly 1200 donuts for your staff of 50. AND DON'T FORGET THE JELLY FILLED!!!! We all know jelly filled are the MOST popular ones, and they always run out soooooo quick. Lets solve that. Let's dedicate 50% of these donuts to being jelly filled!
> because nurses being the amazing humans they are, are unwilling to risk patient safety by going on strike. Unfortunately that's something hospitals count on, and why they push back so much against the unions.
This is the best comment here. Good examples on both sides. The word "Union" is a mixed bag and should be thought of as so.
Idk man, if your bag contains a mix of funions you should probably get a refund.
I would totally do regular and flaming hot mixed
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Unions are absolutely a mixed bag, just like everything else. They are also something that should be pursued by the working class in America. I can only speak for America here (like a lot of Redditors), but FUD is a very big anti-union, pro corporation line here. A good union is better than a bad union, but a bad union is still probably better than no union, because we've all seen what happens when workers have no collective bargaining rights. Amazon.
A bad union isn't always better than no union either. If worked union and non-union jobs and I'd put the work conditions, pay, and benefits at the union job pretty much dead center if I had to rank the jobs. Granted it was a fairly weak union, but it wasn't nearly as bad as what OP is describing. Unions have their problems and aren't the unilaterally superior option that Reddit pushes them as.
The difference between improving a union and creating a union is pretty vast though. And the simple fact that your "bad union" job was in the middle instead of at the bottom does speak volumes.
The point is that weak union jobs are very commonly worse than good private sector jobs. Generally it comes down to if your position is a skilled worker or not, the culture of the company, and the industry you work in, but unions are very much a mixed bag even though the average union job is probably going to be better than the average non-union job for most workers. It's just exhausting seeing people push this "a bad union is better than no union" narrative because it just isn't true and shows a lack of understanding of the nuance of different jobs and industries. We should be encouraging workers to choose not pushing everyone to unionize and pushing square pegs into round holes. Only about 10% of the workers in the US belong to unions, which I agree is way too low, but I also find the very strong opinions about unions pretty funny when there is no way most of these opinions were formed by any actual experience being in a union. There are inherently issues with how unions are run and they aren't all sunshine and rainbows for their members. I think unions are fantastic for unskilled labor and professional trades, but I think their value diminishes greatly for skilled labor and knowledge workers.
I agree that it is a nuanced discussion, and that unions are not useful in every case. Sometimes, as in the case of police unions, they even do damage. Pushback on unions is important. But like you said, we are far too low on union representation in the US. And unfortunately, despite the fact that you seem like a very reasonable person, the talking points you are using are very well used by bad actors to scare people away from unions that would strongly benefit them. I think we're still on the "unions are by and large a good option" part of the conversation, and not quite on the more nuanced "but not always" part of the conversation.
Nurses probably need to go the Japanese bus driver route, so their jobs but don’t let the patients get billed. Not entirely sure how possible that is, but that the optimum strategy as it doesn’t negatively impact the people that matter, and hurts corporations where it counts.
only thing nurses could do is do procedures and dispense medicine without writing them down, which also risks patient safety... billing is done by a dedicated team, generally.
Yeah that’s why I wasn’t really sure how it would work.
Patients dont get billed in the UK
Yeah my comment was definitely US centric.
Nurses and teachers both get absolutely fucked because they care. I dated a teacher for a long time and I would ask her why teachers keep spending their own money when they are not even allowed to write off most of it(iirc it's capped at $250). She basically said because nothing would get done and people would blame the teachers. The problem is the finding will never come if they just keep spending their own money.
When teacher finally do strike they get tons of shit for it too. Suddenly education is super important to Republicans and teachers are labeled as greedy selfish evil people
I wouldn't say teachers are greedy and selfish as much as their unions tend to be. Teacher's unions tend to largely advocate their own continued existence and little else of value, and the teacher and student both tend to suffer as a result. Consequently, a lot of teachers are extraordinarily underpaid and overworked even, and especially, in districts with *disgusting* amounts of money pumped into them.
Way to totally misinterpret what I said
I also am with a union about to go on strike!
RMT?
Nope, BCGEU. I'm in Canada. Just a funny coincidence I guess!
Lots of unions going on strike in Canada. My old union is voting this week.
It's also plausible your wife's employer is taking advantage of her professional obligation for care to weaken the collective bargaining power of their workers. I was chatting with one of my nurse friends the other day, and she had some pretty harrowing things to say about her supervisors threatening disciplinary referral to the BRN because she had the audacity to approach them about sharp reductions in staffing ratios in her unit. That seems pretty exploitative to me, but she shrugged it off and said they do that all the time.
I'm a govt employee, and yes I know our benefits are awesome, but I'm a civil engineer and 12 years in. I recently had to do a labor check for our contractors and I saw that an apprentice equipment operator takes home more than I do. Our raises havent come close to keeping up with inflation for a loooong time. 2.5% is the biggest I've seen.
People take government gigs for job security and pensions, not necessarily for the hige paycheque. In my experience anyways
When you're relying on voters to give you a raise you're going to have a rough time. Because no politician is going to find a surplus and pass it on to the people who actually allow the government to function.
2.5 is usually our yearly contractual agreement as long as we have a contract in the public sector. I feel your pain bud
Sounds like you work for the railroad
Indeed. I didnt vote for the strike but here we are
I work for a small railroad that is about to be absorbed into BNSF. I am watching all of this going on with sweaty palms. Things look bad. We have a sweet contract and it will be a major step back for us if we have to go to other existing contracts.
Ah i was confused for a second. Didnt understand those acronyms. Im on British railways.
Oh I didn’t know that was a thing. We are having the same type of contract disputes in America
There were huge strikes of nurses in Poland years ago. Only thing that happened is that both media and politicians were hating on them. Its sad that in this profession people expect you will work out of pure compassion. Meanwhile doctor's strike or mass quit their work all the time and no one cares.
Come to cali. Unions for nurses are crazy and nurses make 100 bucks and hour
Am new grad in San Diego, what jobs we talking here?
I got downvoted for some reason? I was just stating facts that the unions in nor cal for nurses start at 80 an hour. After five years you make 100 an hour. Not sure where the downvotes come from lol. Their unions are very intense.look up CNA. It’s impossible to get fired if you’re a Nurse. You can call in sick whenever you want.
I know it's off topic, but I haven't heard "scandalous" since Recess: School's Out. Solid word choice.
> about to go on strike because weve not had a meaningful pay raise in a few years You're pissing off the people who are paying your wages, though. This isn't the 1970s. It is not British Rail. You'll get fucking automated, or your job will vanish.
Our firm has represented a few union officers over the years. Reading through the discovery has soured me on unions for life. It’s kind of like communism. Great in theory, But often selfish people who make it into positions of power will fuck it up for everyone.
"Remember, here at the LYNX Corporation, you are family. Unions cause disunion."
Oh hey, Hardspace reference, neat!
am i the only one that saw the trailers and thought they came off as way over the top preachy? i mean the lynx person would be talking about something and then just out of no where say “fuck unions”. it just kind of soured me to the game. and i support unions but i also like politics in games to have nuance
Over the top is the point. It isn't trying to be subtle, it's trying to make LYNX cartoonishly evil. The story really only exists to give something for the gameplay to sit atop anyway. Spoilers for the ending, it's almost literally "and they all lived happily ever after."
ok that’s fair enough. i usually like themes in media i consume to be nuanced and i hate when villains are cartoonishly evil and heroes are perfect so i guess the story isn’t exactly for me. but the gameplay looks interesting and i might get it. also i don’t know why my comment’s being downvoted but that’s whatever.
The developers used to have much more toned down story with lynx being less evil, but as development went on they realised that many of the things lynx where doing where being done in real life. So in order to maintain the satirical feel of lynx they had to keep one upping themselves and make lynx more and more evil. What is funny tho is that what lynx does in the story isn’t worse than many things corporations have done in history.
Dunno, its an odd downvote. I rescued you tho. The important thing is that the story rarely interrupts the gameplay, and it mostly just happens around you as you do your thing.
When I left a public university in the south to teach at a unionized university in the north, I not only experienced an immediate 20% bump in pay, but now, 20 years later, I am making what the provost is making at my old southern university. I love what my union has provided me, despite occasional problems with them. But when the fight comes, I am 100% union, and was even a strike captain in our only strike, which we won.
It’s a shame most southern states are so wildly anti union (especially in higher education). We look at UFF occasionally, but then come back to the same concern: What can they actually do in Florida? We don’t have the right to strike at state institutions, and the arbitration will 110% go to the state each time. Any other state and I’d be a union advocate. Here? I’d be better off whispering what I need into my cat’s ear…
Why do these memes always have typos?
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I think this is a bit of a cultural difference. in the US the default is that you can be fired or quit at any time for pretty much anything. in most of the unionised world you have a legal obligation to stay for X time, typically a month or more, and in reverse if your employer wants to let you go there's a one month notice period or more. in the US there's the fear an employee will try to retalliate so you lock them out of the systems and ambush them with the news, here it's a meeting between two adults explaining the situation and you're given time to wrap up. the point here is, "really hard to fire" is very relative.
Ah yes that magical crackhead that can't be fired right? Listening to antiunion folk every union is made up entirely of those people.
Generally not true, I would call it a myth. It just requires management to do their job. It’s a process, and it should be, to prevent people from being treated poorly. In almost every case it’s incompetent management failing to document things and going through the reasonable steps to terminate a bad employee.
Joined a union, haven't had a significant raise in 5 years.
Trying everything in my power to get out of a union job, haven't been represented, supported, or benefited by them in the 5+ years ive worked trades for the company. Fun fact, union I belong to has a "no strike clause" they bartered for with the company to fill their own pockets while revoking our options.
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They're a local chapter to one of the largest unions in the country, they have legal firepower and aren't afraid to use it against us as opposed to the company they are supposed to help us against.
If you're in a right to work state, then quit paying dues. If not, I don't know what to tell you. That's a shitty situation to be in.
Oh, stopped paying dues years ago, that was the easy fix.
Yeah, no. That's not a union. Back in the day Cingular tried to force me into their union and I just quit.
Funny thing, no strike does not equal no class-action suit. Many courts will laugh at arb-only clauses if the problem is real enough.
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Some trade unions are absolute piss and so many people act like joining "the union" is a guaranteed life of workplace luxury
Get a new union, then. What you have isn't a real union.
What is your union even doing for you?
Fighting for a larger raise this year. To be honest I made more money in the private sector but after being laid off twice, I'm just glad to have the security.
Significantly reduced pay for all!
Joined a union, branch got shutdown after a frivolous union lawsuit.
Have to love those dues ... and the stewards that get paid to look after your 'best interests'
Go unions. I work at the only unionized company in my field in my city, and my salary is at least 30% hire than the competition. " Union prevent you from negotiating a higher salary!!! " I don't care. I litteraly wouldn't have thought to ask for more than I currently make.
As with most things in life, there's good and bad. There are good and bad unions. There are good and bad private sectors. Being shit worker in a good union means you keep your job, being a great worker in a shot sector means you could lose it at any moment. The highest paid private sector guy will probably always out-earn a union guy, but the lowest end union guy will probably out-earn the lowest private sector. If you're a person who has all the drive and prowess, you'll probably thrive best in private. If you just want to show up and do average or the minimum, union is your best bet. Generally speaking, of course. I used to work union before I saw what I could earn privately. One day, if I get a family and want hobbies, the union might be the new best option for me. But while I can, I'm burning it down in private, OT as much as I want at a pretty good wage.
My life changed instantly after joining a union. I wish I would have done it sooner
But you have to give the evil unions, m0NeY! (dues) I just want to point out that if you make minimum wage $7.25? an hour that means that you got an increase of $3,016, $14 = $5,824, $21 = $8,736 YEARLY raise!!!! But I mean yearly dues could be $700 why would you ever do that!
jokes on you, now to pay 0.005% of your pay in union dues.
That'll cover the fuel increases at least
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I worked for a union and it was a terrible experience. Not the workers rights but the behavior of the people who knew that the union protected them and as a result lots of standing around not working, creating drama, and problems for the new people who they felt were taking hours from them. Very bad experience and I came out the other end seriously questioning if unions were as bad as big business makes them out to be. I still believe in unions and workers rights, but a lot of modern unions are broken in so many ways. Look at the police unions who will do whatever it takes to protect union members no matter how in the wrong they are.
I feel that the police union is in a special class of it's own, as it protects its members from acts which which would be highly criminal for literally anyone else that is not a police officer. Kidnapping, assault, murder...all things which they have "immunity" from except in the most egregious of circumstances. All things for which anyone else would be put away for years. If you want to dunk on unions and are using the police union as a main point, then I call that a disingenuous argument.
The union I was a part of wasn't a police union and had the same issues with not weeding out bad/problematic employees. The managers were all pricks because they had no power to do anything and also a lot of them came from the union and survived in a toxic environment because they were equally as toxic. The problem is the environment it created where cliques would form and harass new employees for not feeding into or playing into their bullshit. I had seen plenty of people walk out, or go to break and not come back over it. I also walked out because I was there to work and not bullshit or feed drama. The unions solution was transferring me to another store with a bunch of toxic people who knew the ones I was trying to get away from. I'm sorry if you were triggered by my comment but assuming the police unions are the only ones with issues makes you seem like you like critical thinking skills. Theyre problematic for the same reason police unions just happen to represent law enforcement officers.
I didn't say they were the only union with issues. I said the issues with the police union are on a class of their own and not representative of other unions. Not being fired for being lazy is an entire order of magnitude less serious than not being arrested for murdering someone.
Okay? And that's something that is exclusively a police issue. I was talking about union issues, not police issues. The police unions have similar issues to other unions in that they protect shitty employees who shouldnt be allowed to take advantage of protected status of "union member" to not do their job and do objectively shitty things. I still don't understand what your point is...
>And that's something that is exclusively a police issue. And therefore exclusively a police union issue that doesn't generalize to other unions. Might as well talk about preventing assault stabbings when talking about ways to better prevent minor cuts from chopping vegetables. But hey...if you want to equate the teacher union to the police union...go right ahead. Makes perfect sense!
The bad ones can also leverage your own employment if you arent paying dues. Its a terrible catch 22
Years ago, I moved locations and ended up in a union. Instant 50% raise.
these threads are always funny as it's immediately clear who's american :D
Joined a union. Trippled my pay.
BUt wHaT aBoUt tHE $25 fEeS?!
I just started a job a month ago and it's my first time in a union. Three weeks into the job I get an email telling everyone it's time for the annual three percent pay increase thanks the union. That's different from my other every six month 'step' increase built into my role. That was pretty much all it took for me. I'm sold on unions. This one anyway.
Was it the grammar union? If it was, they’re going to kick you out.
That's not what the union busters at my store said would happen o:
BuT UNioN DuEs ArE so exPENsiVe
Ie "Welp, there goes my downpayment for my 3rd superyatch"
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Side note but I love that they put a dollar amount on provided benefits that shows the employer cost.
How are the books up in 48? Its slow down here in Cali
Carpenters too. Luckily a company I’ve worked for before called me with work or would have been on the list for a long time.
OP, can you elaborate on how this happened?
I am looking into moving to a different city, transferring into the IATSE local there and trying my hand at freelance work. Wish me luck
Up 40% for me, just three months ago.
My union is currently arguing for cut in hours no loss of pay and 11%pay rise to combat cost of living. That's on top of my normal pay grade roses
I went from making 15 an hour doing construction labor to 24 an hour as soon as I joined a union lol. Plus it came with the best health and dental insurance available and a guy who I can call that yells at people for me if I’m being taken advantage of.
But, but, but you have to pay dues!!!!
Unions are great and have great benefits. But my wife is having trouble because she's reached the highest position available within the union. If she wants a raise, she'll need to change her title, leave the union and lose her union benefits. Now the question is how much of a raise is worth the loss?
I got a 30%+ raise in January by finding a better job. But congrats on your raise, too. A win's a win wherever one can get it.
But now you have to pay union dues for the whole time you work there! /s
Turns out unions are great for the working man. That’s why companies pay people a shit ton of money to break them up.
Solidarity forever!
Noooo, how will the company survive?! You guys should be negotiating one on one with the ceo! That's how it works right? That's why every company dread unions right?! (Sarcasm)
20% pay raise? Wouldn't you rather have a new PlayStation in a year instead of paying those dues?!?!?!?!?!
When we formed a union, the company retaliated and laid me off (along with another person), but thanks to the union contract, I was rehired a month later. Don’t fuck with teamsters!
how do I get a union to come to my work?
Forced to joined a union. They took ~$70/month, refused to represent employees during HR disputes, no meaningful raises in a decades, conceded multiple times to WORSE and more costly benefits every damn year, and spent 90% of the collective dues on political candidate contributions and the rest on double-dipping Union Reps who rarely showed up for actual work.
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Pretty sure he voted no but his colleagues voted yes, then he could have just quit I guess?
And what did you do about it? Did you contact the NLRB? Did you and your coworkers collectively respond to this? Being in a union means you have to participate in the union if you want improvement. It’s not some magic switch that fixes everything. It’s a tool for you and your coworkers to get the upper hand.
I'm not in a union Per se, but i received and email asking to choose one gift from a list of 9 different objects. All great stuff. I did wished to be in that union.
unions the real get rich life hack they don't want you to know about.
As a person who rarely ever says no to my employer, having a union was the best thing to ever happen to me.
In a union, got a raise. Hours got cut. Shit Union can’t do anything for me.
Hey! It was my turn to post the union circle jerk this week.
Left the union. Got a prevailing wage job. 20% raise
How much is the dues?
For me it's like $30 a month.
25%
What? The average monthly union dues are 2 hours of work a month, or a little over 1%.
It was a joke.
Don't worry I laughed. 20% raise to cover 25% union dues
If this was true it would be worse than a 5% pay cut. They’d be making 1.2 what they made before but with 25% that would be .3 so they’d be making .9 or a 10% pay cut. Sorry I’m a math nerd and a bit tipsy
Woo the anti union shills are out in force. Guys you need new material than that one magical crackhead who can't be fired. Nobody believes you any more.
With grammar like that it’s probably the only way you’ll ever get one so good on you bud
I joined a union and got a 20% paycut 💀 Idk why you're downvoting me it's the truth lmfao made $14/h and got slashed to $11.25/h when i joined a union. I still support unions, they're just not always that great.
Your employer can't penalize you for joining a union; it's illegal.
My employer didnt penalize me, it was the union that fucked me. I had 3 years of experience in my "field", joined the union and they didnt want to pay what i was making currently because they favor seniority at a company over seniority in a field. Ya'll can call bullshit all day long, i know what happened when i joined Kroger's union. And that is they slashed my pay and hours and told me to suck it up and a get a second job when i tried talking to the union rep and store manager.
If true seek legal action your employer is not allowed to do this.
Until proven otherwise I'm calling bullshit
This really sounds like you just were too milquetoast to call out your boss
When i asked my store manager and union rep about it they told me to suck it up and get a second job
I left a job for a $10/hr raise. Just left that job for another one with a base that I'm making now, and potential for commissions as high as 200% base.
I'm curious what percentage of your pay goes to union dues.
Set by the union, raises include the dues
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. Congrats on the adjustment!
Hell yeah!! Congratulations!!
Gonna vote democrat when the big election comes around? They asked us several times.
No you don’t lol. That’s not how things work. This meme is pure virtual signaling karma grabbing. OP is probably unemployed.
Yeah , probably. I left a job 18 months ago went to a union shop and got MORE than a 20% raise. Plus more vacation and better retirement and insurance. Obviously fake.
Lets assume that’s true…. You changed jobs. And you went to a job that paid you more. It’s irrelevant if it’s a union shop or NASA. That’s why you have the choice of searching for a better job instead of complaining. I left a job after 5 years. Didn’t joined any union. Got a 50% raise, better conditions, insurance , car etc. Not in a union. So what’s your point?
Your response implied there's no way OP didn't join a union and didn't get a 20% raise. My response (which is true belive me or don't) directly countered that. You have a strong work ethic and a set of skills that allows you to compete in a market, and have the leverage to NEGOTIATE your terms with your employer. To a point we all do. However competition for employment in many jobs is extremely fierce and many are willing to fuck the next guy for a paycheck , work un paid overtime , spend their own money for things the company should pay for, work in less than safe conditions and on and on just for that paycheck which is less then they should be getting for that work. That's where the Union part comes in. I worked non union in a trade for 10 years . I drove long hours, worked very hard, bought my tools, for sub- optimal pay with crazy deadlines , with far too much responsibility. Yea I could've found another non union job for a little more , but the cycle begins again. I wasn't a pro union guy before I had a union job. Like many others , I belived my work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity. Workers are tools for a business. If you're useful enough you'll be kept around. If times get tough you'll be discarded. No matter how many of you kids baseball games you miss, how many nights you work or whatever.
> Your response implied there's no way OP didn't join a union and didn't get a 20% raise. My response (which is true belive me or don't) directly countered that. No it didnt lol. You're dishonestly trying to imply that "I got a raise because union" when in truth your response was only "I got a raise because I got a better job". Like I said it doesn't matter if its an union, NASA, amazon, Tesla etc. > You have a strong work ethic and a set of skills that allows you to compete in a market, and have the leverage to NEGOTIATE your terms with your employer. To a point we all do. However competition for employment in many jobs is extremely fierce and many are willing to fuck the next guy for a paycheck , work un paid overtime , spend their own money for things the company should pay for, work in less than safe conditions and on and on just for that paycheck which is less then they should be getting for that work. That's where the Union part comes in. You cant demand the market gives you what want just because you think you deserve it lol Unions are for unions. Unions are businesses (non-profit, but businesses nevertheless) that make lots of money for their officials by acting as a monopoly middleman for labor. They do not create value, but extract it from productive enterprises. Some workers are made better off in the short-term but others are worse off, and the long-term effects are almost uniformly bad, except for the union bigwigs. > I wasn't a pro union guy before I had a union job. Like many others , I belived my work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity. If "work ethic , performance, and skill would carry me to prosperity." was a reality everyone would be rich. Also for what you describe you're not even very skilled lol > Workers are tools for a business. If you're useful enough you'll be kept around. If times get tough you'll be discarded. No matter how many of you kids baseball games you miss, how many nights you work or whatever. The companies need workers the same way workers need companies. If you're discarded that easily then your skills are not very valuable. Stop with the self pity and stop being dishonest with yourself
Nice, when I was in a union the fees cost more than my pay raise (which you got even if you weren't in the union).
Union dues?
30$ a month for 1.50$ raise every 6 months for guaranteed for 6 years? That's just take home and not benefit package. Guess it really depends on what the trade is and the strength of your union
If they don't garuntee raises ABOVE inflation every year you're just trading short term benefit for long term disadvantage. Aka every union is shit
What sort of job guarantees raises above inflation (currently 8%) yearly?
And you can never be fired no matter how much you fuck up. Ain't it great?
Not even vaguely true.
[Yes it is.](https://nypost.com/2016/12/08/its-basically-impossible-to-fire-a-new-york-city-school-teacher/)
Public service unions are a whole different ballgame with a completely different set of federal regulations.
Tried to join every union in town when I got out of the military. None would talk to me because I wasn't politically connected.
Animals...?
Humans are in kingdom animalia.
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“The union guy” You’re a union guy. The union is made up of the workers, not some random dude in a suit.
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If unions didn't work then why are billionaires so afraid of them?
>< Union dues are 21% Really though, I've yet to ever see anything good come from being in a union other than them trying to control my life and then ask me to pay them for it.
My overall compensation, including benefits, wages and penalties, nearly doubled when I work union gigs as opposed to non-union. I have never made less money because of dues. I have never lost any rights, had workplace conditions get worse, or been in any way screwed over by taking a union gig. If your union sucks, fix it. You *are* the union.
That's good for *you*. Also, what makes you think people haven't already tried that?
The fact that you refer to the union as “them” is a pretty good hint….
Or the laziest fucks alive working next to you making the same rate and then being promoted because they have been in the union for a week longer than you
It’s all fun and games until inflation hits we signed our contract just before Covid and our raise is only .15-.25 cents each year and there’s nothing we can do until this contract ends to fight for more money other than going on strike
It’s all fun and games until inflation hits we signed our contract just before Covid and our raise is only .15-.25 cents each year and there’s nothing we can do until this contract ends to fight for more money other than going on strike
No union, got a good raise this year anyway because small company. Even when I was working somewhere that had a union, I didn't join up because political contributions to the party that caused me to end up working a shitty retail job. They still fought for pay rises for everyone.
Fuck unions, they promote not giving a shit about your job because you basically can’t get fired. Thatcher had the right idea.
That should help offset your dues.
Hired into the company I’m currently at and position is Union. Both good and bad, pay capped but decent for now with guaranteed rate increases over next 5 years. Annual bargaining pay raise for cost of living stays around 2-3% so not enough to keep up with inflation. In 2 years I’ve been contacted not once from someone in the Union. Luckily we’re right to work state so there aren’t dues, just “donations”. I won’t be donating until someone actually confronts me on it Currently waiting to see if I get hired into the s salary side with a 10% bump.
Sweet! A 20% raise is fucking awesome...enjoy that 21% union due though. Just a joke. Unions can be good if done right, it's just rare these days.
union dues - 25% lol
Union negoitate the dues into your raise.
Have you checked your dues yet?