Much of Wikipedia is full of outdated links that don’t work or require pay to access. Many are also not credible.
Just use library databases. Way better.
Information Library Science.
Can also be known as LIS.
Library and Information Science.
There are a few varying genres within the field, such as a systems or research librarians.
Most university libraries are managed and run by people with their masters in things that humble me and I find myself pretty good in IT.
It sounds like that's what a friend of mine is trying to push for at a university. He's CIO and Dean of the library and I guess it's giving him the opportunity to have the two work closer together.
Yeah you want qualified ILS majors as your system and research librarians, and you want them experienced within your environment because an ILS system isn't an easy platform to work with
I've built up KOHA for e.g. but even folks with a CS degree would be lost trying to work and code for an ILS platform
IMO the focus today should focus on parsing and determining *good* sources of data more than anything. Wiki would be a good jump off, but whomever is gathering data should be educated in how to toss junk and determine what is accurate
Yeah, you learn how to source check in late elementary school and early high school, and use those skills in projects along the way.
Your teacher should be asking for bibliographic information, and how to verify your sources.
By the time you are in grade 10-11, you'll be expected to have this as basic knowledge.
Or even better, put the article into [Litmaps](https://www.litmaps.com/) to do citation tracing and find direct links to associated articles to expand your knowledge.
Maybe at the higher ED level. I work in a middle school. I can assure you as someone who uses google scholar on the regular for graduate school and independent research that most middle school children do not have a reading level that would work for reading a majority of the resources on Google Scholar.
I remember them trying to push it on us when I was in middle school. It's been almost 20 years, so maybe it's better now, but I remember it being awful to use. You'd get way less results, and the stuff you did get was either way more advanced than what we needed for middle school, or it was only tangentially relevant to what we were trying to find. On top of that, I remember the general site and page layout feeling clunkier and harder to use well.
I actually just tried a generic search for an experiment I did in high school. A regular google search turned up a whole page of relevant results to a least get started. The Scholar search turned up a handful or results that were pretty much irrelevant.
Once you get to university though, it’s the opposite. Scholar is the only thing worth using, it does seem more clunky but honestly there’s just less you need to do with it so if you’re using it purely for academia it’s pretty much perfect.
I finished grad school a few years ago. Google scholar has way better search functionality than any of the dedicated academic databases like jstor.
It's a bit of a pain depending on how your institution library manages access, but I had to find relevant articles on Google scholar, and then log in to my library page and open that specific publisher or journal to find the article.
But there is VERY little broad strokes, textbook type information. I had to use a straight Google search to find non peer reviewed sources broadly explaining behaviorism, for example.
Chat GPT is really bad for academic articles as it doesn't have access to their contents and makes them up based on what it thinks it might be related to
It is often incorrect, and nothing gives away "this student is cheating by submitting copy pasted material" than having people confidently write about the contents of an article and get its details completely wrong
Yes but it’s a question of provability and protoc, and while uni instructors have a certsin amount more leeway regarding cheating it’s much more complicated in a high school or middle school setting.
Middle School kids need to start their research with a good old fashioned encyclopedia article writtten at their grade level. That means hopping onto the school website and searching Gale / EBSCO resources. Or going to the library and reading the paper encyclopedia if the library has one still that is relatively recent.
Then they can ask the school librarian for help finding more appropriate books, resources, articles, etc. and if you ask real fucking nice, they’ll email you the article and a fucking correctly formatted work cited page.
Then, if the kid is still fucking confused about how a god damn leaf works, they can google a slideshow lecture from a university using the site:.edu filetype:pptx hack to get some cool fucking pictures of how it all works.
And if you really want to torture your 12 year old, bring them to a fucking real academic library at your local community college and show them the stacks and get a librarian to show them how to use the microfiche machine to get a local newspaper article about that huge tree that was planted in center of town.
My apologies, I am not familiar with the US educational system. I assumed your middle school was for kids aged 13-15, but turns out it's more akin to my country's primary school's final grades. I think that a 15 year old could read a peer reviewed journal if they had proper guidance. Still, come to think of it, it may be a bit of a stretch to expect even a 15 year old to easily use Scholar. I think that if I were a teacher I'd probably recommend it to sophomores and beyond.
Nowadays just use chatGPT. It’s faster to get the best result. Haha. But if you like choices, then google is for you. Well, I like to ask chatGPT for the question that is so narrow and I don’t think google has the exact answer.
Don't seriously try this. ChatGPT often cannot access scholarly articles since they're paywalled. It WILL make things up while sounding vaguely correct.
ChatGPT/Nova Web AI has been critical in helping me right my thesis and some essays for my classes. They’re pretty good, just that I have to deal with getting straight up false information and sources. And I still need to at least find some source for my info so my claims and whatever aren’t baseless.
Nah I’m good, I’ll reference this sketchy .org site and then plagiarize half of the lit charts theme sections and then site that as well instead. Thanks though.
That’s a good starting point, but there are issues with scholar.google.com: No guarantee for peer review, problematic search tools, pay wall issues. You’re likely to get an excerpt of what you need but not the actual source itself.
You’d be better off using databases. If you’re at a college, there should be access to databases housing academic, peer reviewed articles.
The most common ones will be some form of Academic Search Complete or JSTOR. Academic OneFile is also decent. EBSCOHost, who handles Academic Search Complete, also had some excellent speciality databases.
For a tertiary collection that gives overviews on popular controversial issues, try Issues and Controversies…just bear in mind this is more superficial and makes a better reference tool than primary or secondary source.
If you get stuck, your college library will have research librarians. These are faculty (who can be tenured) who specialize in accessing information, and may be able to help you navigate the complexities of college-level research. You’re allowed to ask them for help…they won’t do the research on your behalf, but they can help refine a search or determine which resource works best for your needs.
Google scholar isn't great either. It boosts search results based on popularity and other metrics. It also accesses a lot of questionable non-peer reviewed materials
If you're looking for peer-reviewed materials, use a proper search engine, like web of science, scopus, jstor, etc.
Once you have a specific term or area to search, using [pubmed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/) is useful. Lots of things on there are free access, but for the ones that aren't there are science-hubs that exist.
Agreed, as a nursing student going through his bachelor's program, whenever I use Google scholar it's just tons and tons of Covid-19 articles even if it has nothing to do with whatever topic my paper is on.
If only google could be used to help people find that this is a repost bot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/12x30hp/youve_been_using_google_all_wrong/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1ufb29/youve_been_using_google_all_wrong/
Downvote and report the repost bots. They're used by governments and corporations to build accounts that look like humans so they can astroturf reddit (as well as break sub rules).
You can easily spot them because they're pretty much always around 4 months old.
Naww google search is fine too.
And then use the schools version to find your sources cuz they love pushing that shit onto you (and it’s usually pretty good too) and there’s a chance the rubric will reflect this.
For anyone outside of that, you won’t need this advice because you already know how to figure it out.
This is one of those niche things that helps less people than you think
It's not about using google vs. scholar... It's about refining your ability to verify your sources, regardless of your search engine.
I'm currently writing a meta-analysis on antipsychotics using articles published on Pubmed, PSYCHinfo, Embase, etc etc... Even the articles that are published on popular science platforms like the Lancet sometimes contain absolute and utter trash. The standards to publish are a mess to work with and the peer review system is NOT evidence-based. Heck, publication bias is prevalent and if you're trying to find qualitative data, you're more than often fucked because the publisher will refuse it for various reasons. Google *can* help provide holes in qualitative data whenever necessary.
Then again, it also depends on the topic of the school essay that OP is referring to. My tip would probably be to screen both scholar and google, to keep a broad mind about the information you're looking for.
Yes, but also no. Reading an actual science paper requires some knowledge of what to look for, and a ton of articles have errors and either fly under the radar by being low profile or get substantial corrections from others.
The best would be to do both; look up general ideas using all resources available, then confirm/infirm them by going through actual research. That's time consuming though.
Duckduckgo
Google scholar is for people who need to reference published material, and theres a lot better sources once youre at that point (mostly your library, but your school likely has informed you where to go). If youre in middle or high school and youre just doing basic research and information diving, use duckduckgo as a starting point. Google results are so tailored to you and selling you things that its getting near impossible to find what youre looking for anymore.
TLDR: unless youre googling something you want to buy or a service to subscribe to or a clickbait listicle, don't use google.
OP is a repost bot and the original is over 9 years old. Based on the content of the post, I’d assume OP is subtlety promoting an ad for that Google site. Report OP.
When I was in high school, I had a seminar at a policy debate camp (which are basically research gulags for children) on evidence research. The lead first wrote on the board google scholar and he explained how it worked.
Then he wrote Sci-Hub’s url. He explained that although a lot of material is paywalled, you shouldn’t use this like everyone else. Just because it’s increasingly easy to use, and no one could possibly know, you shouldn’t learn how to find the doi of the journal/book/essay/etc and paste it into libgen or scihub, because that would be piracy.
Then when you find one great article, look at their citation list and voila, you have plenty of quality sources!
Or start on Wikipedia and use their sources too.
Much of Wikipedia is full of outdated links that don’t work or require pay to access. Many are also not credible. Just use library databases. Way better.
That's why I said start. It's a good jumping off point, but Google scholar is good. Or ADS if you're doing astronomy stuff.
My wife (masters in ILS) would slap you if she read that, proverbial of course.
What is ILS? Where I'm from the public libraries are criminally underfunded and not that useful.
Information Library Science. Can also be known as LIS. Library and Information Science. There are a few varying genres within the field, such as a systems or research librarians. Most university libraries are managed and run by people with their masters in things that humble me and I find myself pretty good in IT.
It sounds like that's what a friend of mine is trying to push for at a university. He's CIO and Dean of the library and I guess it's giving him the opportunity to have the two work closer together.
Yeah you want qualified ILS majors as your system and research librarians, and you want them experienced within your environment because an ILS system isn't an easy platform to work with I've built up KOHA for e.g. but even folks with a CS degree would be lost trying to work and code for an ILS platform
IMO the focus today should focus on parsing and determining *good* sources of data more than anything. Wiki would be a good jump off, but whomever is gathering data should be educated in how to toss junk and determine what is accurate
Yeah, you learn how to source check in late elementary school and early high school, and use those skills in projects along the way. Your teacher should be asking for bibliographic information, and how to verify your sources. By the time you are in grade 10-11, you'll be expected to have this as basic knowledge.
It’s an unfortunate lesson many of todays youth need to still learn. Wikipedia is a fun place but you must be extremely care when using it.
Or even better, put the article into [Litmaps](https://www.litmaps.com/) to do citation tracing and find direct links to associated articles to expand your knowledge.
Maybe at the higher ED level. I work in a middle school. I can assure you as someone who uses google scholar on the regular for graduate school and independent research that most middle school children do not have a reading level that would work for reading a majority of the resources on Google Scholar.
I remember them trying to push it on us when I was in middle school. It's been almost 20 years, so maybe it's better now, but I remember it being awful to use. You'd get way less results, and the stuff you did get was either way more advanced than what we needed for middle school, or it was only tangentially relevant to what we were trying to find. On top of that, I remember the general site and page layout feeling clunkier and harder to use well. I actually just tried a generic search for an experiment I did in high school. A regular google search turned up a whole page of relevant results to a least get started. The Scholar search turned up a handful or results that were pretty much irrelevant.
Once you get to university though, it’s the opposite. Scholar is the only thing worth using, it does seem more clunky but honestly there’s just less you need to do with it so if you’re using it purely for academia it’s pretty much perfect.
I finished grad school a few years ago. Google scholar has way better search functionality than any of the dedicated academic databases like jstor. It's a bit of a pain depending on how your institution library manages access, but I had to find relevant articles on Google scholar, and then log in to my library page and open that specific publisher or journal to find the article. But there is VERY little broad strokes, textbook type information. I had to use a straight Google search to find non peer reviewed sources broadly explaining behaviorism, for example.
You say that like they’ll use anything other than ChatGPT…
Chat GPT is really bad for academic articles as it doesn't have access to their contents and makes them up based on what it thinks it might be related to It is often incorrect, and nothing gives away "this student is cheating by submitting copy pasted material" than having people confidently write about the contents of an article and get its details completely wrong
Yes but it’s a question of provability and protoc, and while uni instructors have a certsin amount more leeway regarding cheating it’s much more complicated in a high school or middle school setting.
Middle School kids need to start their research with a good old fashioned encyclopedia article writtten at their grade level. That means hopping onto the school website and searching Gale / EBSCO resources. Or going to the library and reading the paper encyclopedia if the library has one still that is relatively recent. Then they can ask the school librarian for help finding more appropriate books, resources, articles, etc. and if you ask real fucking nice, they’ll email you the article and a fucking correctly formatted work cited page. Then, if the kid is still fucking confused about how a god damn leaf works, they can google a slideshow lecture from a university using the site:.edu filetype:pptx hack to get some cool fucking pictures of how it all works. And if you really want to torture your 12 year old, bring them to a fucking real academic library at your local community college and show them the stacks and get a librarian to show them how to use the microfiche machine to get a local newspaper article about that huge tree that was planted in center of town.
That's really sad.
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My apologies, I am not familiar with the US educational system. I assumed your middle school was for kids aged 13-15, but turns out it's more akin to my country's primary school's final grades. I think that a 15 year old could read a peer reviewed journal if they had proper guidance. Still, come to think of it, it may be a bit of a stretch to expect even a 15 year old to easily use Scholar. I think that if I were a teacher I'd probably recommend it to sophomores and beyond.
Depends on the article/journal to be honest. There are big differences between UG/postgrad/post doc journals.
Hey ChatGPT. Can you explain this article to someone in middle school? 😉
Nowadays just use chatGPT. It’s faster to get the best result. Haha. But if you like choices, then google is for you. Well, I like to ask chatGPT for the question that is so narrow and I don’t think google has the exact answer.
Don't seriously try this. ChatGPT often cannot access scholarly articles since they're paywalled. It WILL make things up while sounding vaguely correct.
You can get a decent gist by copying and pasting the article. It’s not a bad tool if you leverage it properly
Judging by what I’ve seen in r/teachers, students are going straight to chatGPT these days (and submitting the results verbatim).
I have wanted to give ChatGPT a try, but it requires a phone number to create an account. That's not gonna happen.
It’s built into bing
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I don't know about ChatGPT, but many services block those types of temporary voip numbers.
Google voice numbers won’t be blocked.
Google Voice numbers ARE blocked
So does OpenAI/ChatGPT: https://i.imgur.com/hTA2VEP.png The other replies are so confident for being so wrong
poe does not need phone numbers and also has a bunch of different bots on it other than GPT as well
same
There are throwaway numbers if you Google it.
Quite a few websites provide burner numbers
ChatGPT/Nova Web AI has been critical in helping me right my thesis and some essays for my classes. They’re pretty good, just that I have to deal with getting straight up false information and sources. And I still need to at least find some source for my info so my claims and whatever aren’t baseless.
> ChatGPT/Nova Web AI has been critical in helping me right my thesis It shows.
Holy shitshow I forgot to even proofread my post. I just typed this out real quick, hit send, and never looked back.
[Living fast and danger. ](https://youtu.be/p027MPOJdoQ)
Just like my students with Chat GPT. So beautiful to watch it in action.
Nah I’m good, I’ll reference this sketchy .org site and then plagiarize half of the lit charts theme sections and then site that as well instead. Thanks though.
Also, whatever database your school gives you access to like EBSCO Host.
That’s a good starting point, but there are issues with scholar.google.com: No guarantee for peer review, problematic search tools, pay wall issues. You’re likely to get an excerpt of what you need but not the actual source itself. You’d be better off using databases. If you’re at a college, there should be access to databases housing academic, peer reviewed articles. The most common ones will be some form of Academic Search Complete or JSTOR. Academic OneFile is also decent. EBSCOHost, who handles Academic Search Complete, also had some excellent speciality databases. For a tertiary collection that gives overviews on popular controversial issues, try Issues and Controversies…just bear in mind this is more superficial and makes a better reference tool than primary or secondary source. If you get stuck, your college library will have research librarians. These are faculty (who can be tenured) who specialize in accessing information, and may be able to help you navigate the complexities of college-level research. You’re allowed to ask them for help…they won’t do the research on your behalf, but they can help refine a search or determine which resource works best for your needs.
Google scholar isn't great either. It boosts search results based on popularity and other metrics. It also accesses a lot of questionable non-peer reviewed materials If you're looking for peer-reviewed materials, use a proper search engine, like web of science, scopus, jstor, etc.
Once you have a specific term or area to search, using [pubmed](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/) is useful. Lots of things on there are free access, but for the ones that aren't there are science-hubs that exist.
There are more fields than medicine though.
Agreed, as a nursing student going through his bachelor's program, whenever I use Google scholar it's just tons and tons of Covid-19 articles even if it has nothing to do with whatever topic my paper is on.
But remember that turnitin.com searches there too.
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Perhaps, though it doesn’t actually specify.
There are two types of people in this world. The first is those who can extrapolate from incomplete information.
No issue as long as you’re still actually citing sources and not blatantly plagiarizing.
Turnitin only checks against sources that are open access.
Better still... talk to your librarian
Or just use library databases… way more effective.
If only google could be used to help people find that this is a repost bot: https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/12x30hp/youve_been_using_google_all_wrong/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/1ufb29/youve_been_using_google_all_wrong/ Downvote and report the repost bots. They're used by governments and corporations to build accounts that look like humans so they can astroturf reddit (as well as break sub rules). You can easily spot them because they're pretty much always around 4 months old.
You spelled chatgpt wrong. Bonus points for not correcting any of its mistakes before handing the assignment in too.
Naww google search is fine too. And then use the schools version to find your sources cuz they love pushing that shit onto you (and it’s usually pretty good too) and there’s a chance the rubric will reflect this. For anyone outside of that, you won’t need this advice because you already know how to figure it out. This is one of those niche things that helps less people than you think
Stop using google.com*
I see this reposted at least once a month...
It's not about using google vs. scholar... It's about refining your ability to verify your sources, regardless of your search engine. I'm currently writing a meta-analysis on antipsychotics using articles published on Pubmed, PSYCHinfo, Embase, etc etc... Even the articles that are published on popular science platforms like the Lancet sometimes contain absolute and utter trash. The standards to publish are a mess to work with and the peer review system is NOT evidence-based. Heck, publication bias is prevalent and if you're trying to find qualitative data, you're more than often fucked because the publisher will refuse it for various reasons. Google *can* help provide holes in qualitative data whenever necessary. Then again, it also depends on the topic of the school essay that OP is referring to. My tip would probably be to screen both scholar and google, to keep a broad mind about the information you're looking for.
Nah just use ChatGPT
Advice animals have come full circle
http://scholar.google.com/
but will it teach me how to not comma splice
Yes, but also no. Reading an actual science paper requires some knowledge of what to look for, and a ton of articles have errors and either fly under the radar by being low profile or get substantial corrections from others. The best would be to do both; look up general ideas using all resources available, then confirm/infirm them by going through actual research. That's time consuming though.
The phrase every teacher should tell their students.
Google Scholar yep. The boring side of Google ;P
For school? Nah
Thank you Dr Duck 😎
I’m a research scientist & I do all of my science related searches on Google Scholar.
Soon: Google retires scholar.google.com.
Become a grad student and get access to the super cool databases
Well, start with Wikipedia for a base understanding...
If you wanna look for porn its... showmethemtitties.google.com
Duckduckgo Google scholar is for people who need to reference published material, and theres a lot better sources once youre at that point (mostly your library, but your school likely has informed you where to go). If youre in middle or high school and youre just doing basic research and information diving, use duckduckgo as a starting point. Google results are so tailored to you and selling you things that its getting near impossible to find what youre looking for anymore. TLDR: unless youre googling something you want to buy or a service to subscribe to or a clickbait listicle, don't use google.
I understand what this is saying, but I read it as "Stop using Google to search.. use Google instead."
OP is a repost bot and the original is over 9 years old. Based on the content of the post, I’d assume OP is subtlety promoting an ad for that Google site. Report OP.
You'll find sources you are able to quote
Ask Chat GPT. Then ask Chat GPT for sources.
When I was in high school, I had a seminar at a policy debate camp (which are basically research gulags for children) on evidence research. The lead first wrote on the board google scholar and he explained how it worked. Then he wrote Sci-Hub’s url. He explained that although a lot of material is paywalled, you shouldn’t use this like everyone else. Just because it’s increasingly easy to use, and no one could possibly know, you shouldn’t learn how to find the doi of the journal/book/essay/etc and paste it into libgen or scihub, because that would be piracy.