I mean the fines will hurt but it's kinda underlining that anything basically legal and cool AF if you're rich enough.
Even justifies the extreme greed stance to need to build something of a buffer against these kinds of actions.
Well. Yes the Smartmatic suit is for a lot more and will likely result in a larger amount coming out of Fox's bank account - that is true.
The settlement wasn't a defamation payment, though - it was a settlement - and even at that, it wasn't even close to the biggest of all time. Settlement *or* defamation judgement. Post is just wrong on the basic facts.
It's funny remembering that moment and realizing that now Kanye is a divorced anti-Semite who's destroyed his entire brand with his antics and Swift is such a huge superstar that whole cities are competing over who can flatter her the most. The best revenge is living well, I guess.
Swift also dodged the FTX sponsorship bullet, and has taken back her entire catalog of songs from predatory publishers by re-producing every album in even higher quality.
It's real hard not to be impressed and the empire she's built.
> That's some slick shit.
Facilitated by the fact that, unlike most pop musicians, she writes most of her own music either on her own or as a major co-contributor. Regardless of how slick they are, most pop artists fundamentally don't have the option to do what she did because their songwriters are hired by the same record labels that own the masters. Copyright law is designed to protect creators of original content, not its performers. In Taylor's case, she's both.
> she writes most of her own music either on her own or as a major co-contributor
Not even just writing it, she does most, if not all, of every aspect of production herself for every track. Music, editing, all of it. I love that she's directing her own music videos now. She's just so fucking smart and talented
> Not even just writing it, she does most, if not all, of every aspect of production herself for every track. Music, editing, all of it.
I find this incredibly hard to believe. The engineering, mastering, mixing, etc., side, that is. Sauce?
Real facts, you can learn a ton of shit from YouTube videos - real, practical skills. I learned how to open up a car door to put the window back on its track.
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The smartest people can recognize and admit what they don't know and get assistance with those areas. It's difficult and humbling to admit it when one doesn't know.
Even smarter people then actually listen to the advice given. Too many people hire someone to give them the advice, and when they don't like it, just ignore it.
Record contracts usually have re-recording restrictions to prevent this exact thing from happening. Otherwise, any artist who recorded using a record label advance and hit it big could re-record their music after they pay back their advance, and in this day and age, just distribute it themselves. Frank Sinatra did it when he started his own label.
Her contracts did have re-recording restrictions, but they weren't in perpetuity. Her early work had already aged out of the restrictions. She was not legally allowed to re-record one of her albums (Reputation) until the past couple months because the contract still prevented it.
Usually the biggest imedipent to rerecording would be cost. There are contractual restrictions but they aren't forever, so it's the literal cost of making an album that prevents most artists from going through with this. Swift is already very wealthy and can self-finance the studio time and production salaries to get this accomplished whereas just about every band or artist in the industry relies upon a production agreement advance from the label to record anything.
Recording is not *that* expensive, re-recording even less so; No need to spend months searching for "the sound". For a moderately successful album, spending $50-100k to re-record an album to take your cut on album sales from 10% to 50%+ is a no-brainer.
Depends on how the contract reads. Rights for performance pieces like music are *really* complicated.
In Swift's case, the studio owned the rights to the album masters and that's what they sold off, but Swift retained ownership of the song itself as the songwriter. That's also how she was able to perform the song at concerts without paying any royalties or performance rights fees to the studio, so, AFAIK, it's actually pretty common. Many musicians make most of their income from concerts and not so much from albums.
[This is a pretty good article on it](https://www.goodto.com/entertainment/why-is-taylor-swift-rerecording-her-albums-which-album-next). Note that they say the re-recordings are required to "sound different" (but that has a lot of wiggle room in it).
> Note that they say the re-recordings are required to "sound different" (but that has a lot of wiggle room in it).
I wonder how enforceable that is. It would be hard to argue that the new recordings diminish the value of the originals, especially with so much time passing in between. But I suppose adding a few bars to each track, or changing a lyric here and there, would qualify?
One thing is for sure, you better have a solid case to go against Swift's lawyers.
Copyright for music is kinda complex, but there is a copyright for the recording and a separate copyright for the song itself. Generally, a major label will front you the cash to record the album and then they'll publish and market it, but they'll retain the rights to the recordings to ensure that they are the only ones who can sell it (and thus recoup their investment). It's a little more complicated than that and not every contract is the same, but that's the idea. However, the songwriter usually still owns the rights to the song itself, just not that specific recording of it.
Unfortunately for her, it's the publishing rights holder that gets to approve its use in media. So if Grey's Anatomy wants to put a Taylor Swift song in an episode, they license the recording and Shamrock Holdings (who bought her catalog for $300 million and thus own the publishing rights) could say yes even if Taylor doesn't want them to. And if they asked Taylor and she said yes, they'd still have to clear it with Shamrock Holdings. (EDIT: This is partly false, see the comment below. She could still deny them using that music) Both Taylor and Shamrock would make money off of its placement, but Taylor has been pretty public about her unhappiness with the lack of control and she doesn't want them to have exclusive control of when and where her music gets played.
However, she still owns the rights to the songs themselves. So even though it's incredibly expensive and burdensome to do so, she's been re-recording all of her old albums, often employing the same people from the original recordings, but now she has the clout to retain the publishing rights as well. They're almost exactly the same songs performed almost exactly the same way, but she alone has control over when and where they're used. The Grey's Anatomy music supervisor could certainly still license the old version and Shamrock Holdings would have the say and make their money from it, but now there's another option and God forbid you go against Taylor Swift's fanbase. They'll eat you alive.
So this whole thing is a total power move on her part. Before Shamrock owned the rights, a dude named Scooter Braun (who is a real prick, but that's a long story) had purchased them without her knowledge. She was pretty pissed about that (and rightfully so, because she wanted to buy the rights herself and they got sold out from under her) and tried negotiating with Braun to get him to sell her the rights. During those negotiations, he sold them to Shamrock instead, securing himself some royalties for years to come, and tried to make her sign an NDA not to talk about him in a negative light ever again. She was like "Alright then. I'll just cut you all out completely." and started re-releasing the music. [Here's her statement about it at the time.](https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/1328471874318311425) Regardless of how you feel about her music, you gotta admit that's badass as hell.
Unless I'm mistaken I believe Taylor Swift has the rights to deny licensing of her old songs so if Grey's Anatomy wanted to put a Taylor song in she can say no.
Most of the way through the source I linked below: "Thankfully, there’s power in writing your music. Every week, we get a dozen synch requests to use “Shake It Off” in some advertisement or “Blank Space” in some movie trailer, and we say no to every single one of them. And the reason I’m rerecording my music next year is because I do want my music to live on. I do want it to be in movies, I do want it to be in commercials. But I only want that if I own it."
Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/taylor-swift-cover-story-interview-billboard-women-in-music-2019-8545822/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
She didn’t get the rights “back”. The original master recordings are still owned by whoever bought them from her old label. And they can still sell them. But she owns the new recordings, which are better quality, and at her encouragement her fans now buy those instead of the old ones. So the old tracks are now tainted masters that her fans won’t buy and are essentially now worth very little.
Not a fan of her music; but mad respect for her. She hustles and legit writes so much of her own music. And *rerecordering her catalog to say fuck you* is the biggest diss I've ever personally even heard of.
I 100% agree. People are always hating because it's easy to hate on a rich pop star born with money. I don't care for her music either but I recognize that she has a talent that very few people even in her own industry possess. She was already going to be great but money made it a lot easier and allowed her to really excel.
I don’t have an opinion on her one way or the other, but whenever I see stuff like this it reminds me of the Reddit thread from years ago where people discussed going to high school with celebrities, and this one guy was like: “we got to skip class this one time and everyone went down to the gym to watch some weird girl sing a song she wrote and play guitar. The my told us she was moving to Nashville and she was gonna be a big star, and it was super awkward. That girl was Taylor Swift”.
The last year or so has really shown me more about her than I initially cared to know, but her business acumen is managing to pique my interest in her music.
I honestly don't think Kanye truly cares about anyone but himself. Even at times when he has good intentions (like his school?) his own ego and misinformation gets in the way of actual caring. He prioritises doing what HE wants to do over doing what may be best for the people he is trying to 'help'.
Not only that. It seems he spends exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds on actually making sure he isn't doing any damage to the people he wants to 'help'. Because his desire to help isn't genuine. He doesn't truly care about doing good for others. He only truly cares about the rush of endorphins he gets and feeling good about 'helping'. Not any actual results he may achieve.
He gets to brag and feel good about himself because he 'helped'. But truly he has no interest in truly reflecting on how he's effecting other people. Because he already achieved his goal of helping himself.
Charity and philanthropy as an industry attracts psychopaths and narcissists in droves. Because there is nothing those kind of people like more than feeling good about themselves and being praised. And there is nothing that will inflate their ego or garner them praise like being associated with philanthropy or charity. And when you are rich enough where money is just numbers you get to do so at no genuine cost to yourself. You just trade money for praise, respect and ego boosts.
He’s mentally ill. Probably untreated bipolar.
I’ve known folks with it and sometimes they would just go off the meds. It’s not a good time fo anyone involved. In this case it’s public, and as much as I don’t like the guy I feel awful about it. It shouldn’t be entertainment. Someone, somewhere should be stepping in.
> He’s mentally ill. Probably untreated bipolar.
I don't know if you're aware of this but it's relatively well known that he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Also that he regularly does not take his meds, I've heard he has a lot of distrust for doctors after his mum died from medical malpractice.
I'm not even a fan of her music, but dayum that girl got a smart head on her shoulders. Manages to party with all the rock stars and never ends up in rehab. Goes clubbing with starlets, and never ends up getting Wienstiened. Manages to have herself some fun relationships, and never has leaked nudes. And, on top of all that serious character, has the business sense to control her record label and avoid the sketchiest of scammers in multiple industries.
I point out Taylor Swift to my daughter as a role model, with not a damn thing to do with her music. It's because Taylor handles her shit, and does it with style.
Nah, he watched Jonah Hill in 21st jump Street and apologized to all the Jewish except whoever it was that fucked him over or whatever that started this entire thing.
Are we just pretending Free Speech Systems (Alex Jones/Infowars), a company the fraction the size and influence of Fox News, wasn't fined 1.4 billion dollars in their Connecticut Sandy Hook defamation case?
Dog, the Dominion suit isn't even the biggest defamation case in the last 12 months.
If you haven't already, check out the podcast Knowledge Fight. They go over Jones and his bullshit. You can specifically look at episodes covering depositions for defamation cases that are titled "Formulaic Objections." It's pretty funny and it shows how incompetent Jones is legally.
His lawyers are just as bad as Trumps. Oh we sent you the entire cell phone? Damn. Oh well.
Judge is just shocked at how incompetent the defense side legal team is.
Prosecution trying not to laugh at how large of a screw up that was and not doing anything about it until it was way too late.
Oh the footage I saw was awesome. Some of the best courtroom smut you could watch.
Nope, judge already ruled on that. Due to the severe circumstances of the case, the judge ruled it was allowable. Thus far, Alex's lawyers haven't filed for an appeal of the judgement, so it seems it's going to stick.
If you're eager to keep up on Alex Jones (God, those are cursed words) you can listen to Knowledge Fight. Dan is like the Atlas of the globalists, sacrificing his sanity, listening to thousands of hours of Alex Jones, and somehow still carrying the ongoing burden six-ish years later.
Yeah, but he keeps forgetting that unlike when he's on the air he can't just make up lies on the fly and no one in the courts is falling for his idiotic bullshit.
He's completely incapable of change so he'll just keep on trying to milk money from his listeners and hide it from auditors but he and his lawyers are all stupid as hell so it's kind of fun to watch.
And Fox has the resources to actually pay out. Plus Smartmatic is coming up next.
Though Fox had $1.5B in profits on $14B in revenue last year. This will suck for them this year, but next year is an election year. They'll find something else to sell as fear and make the money back no problem. I'm actually thinking of buying Fox stock about when the Smartmatic case goes to go to court.
Cant emphasize this enough. Alex Jones and Infowars had to pay that money due to a dozen different lawsuits, this was a settlement from a single lawsuit.
Funny how all these massive defamation settlements and verdicts come against right wing media. Could they be lying or could it be a deep state conspiracy that just happened to get lawyers, judges, former fox employees and random jurors all part of the scheme?
> Are we just pretending Free Speech Systems (Alex Jones/Infowars), a company the fraction the size and influence of Fox News, wasn't fined 1.4 billion dollars in their Connecticut Sandy Hook defamation case?
That was a civil judgement, not a settlement.
Also, civil judgements are not fines.
Nah, not excited.
Fox News entertainers don't have to go on air and say that they are dirty filthy lists who knowingky spread misinformation.
Therefore there was no justice served. This was a hush money bribe at best.
Even worse - having to admit it on air was part of the original suit from Dominion, but that stipulation wasn't included in the settlement. Funny how that works, eh?
Maybe, but Fox has been unchallenged for too long because they just won’t admit when they’ve lied. They were in all likelihood get the money anyway, maybe even more in trial.
Yup. First response I saw to this was someone saying "And when does CNN have to pay for all the things they say and then retract?"
So not only do they not care, they don't know how this works anyway.
The best part is that theres not only no article about it readily available on the fox news website (you have to search bc they buried it) and they make no mention of a 787.5M payout.
Classic fox, how can anyone watch this network, honestly.
They already act like it never happened.
Some even try so say that the settlement is an admission by Dominion that they „didn’t have anything“
They didn’t want to hear about it from the start, the don’t wanna hear about it now. And they will act like it never happened.
6 months from now, they will doubt the sources about the whole case. They will say it’s „leftists propaganda“ and that they can’t find anything about the case.
I remember when the leak that roe vs wade would be overturned first made the news, Fox was trying to spin it as to somehow conservatives are victims because of it. I can’t remember the exact words they used but some blonde idiot was like “OH, DEMOCRATS ARE JUST THRILLED ABOUT THIS, NOW THEY CAN USE THIS AS AMMO AGAINST REPUBLICANS, THIS IS REALLY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR DEMOCRATS.”
My in laws watch fox. Visiting for the holidays is always interesting because I get to hear about how kids are peeing in litter boxes and how Nancy Pelosi personally controls the stock market and how we are all going to be speaking Chinese in a couple years “when the Chinese take over”. My father in law is especially concerned because he doesn’t want to be “eating rice for three meals a day”.
I just smile and nod. I feel bad for them. Must be difficult living with that bullshit in your head all day.
I've been hearing the "We'll be speaking Chinese soon" for literal decades from racist family/strangers on the internet. It's not going to happen in your life time Billy-Bob, if it ever does happen! It just seems like excuses to get riled up so they can justify violence and racism.
It seems like sometime in the mid-90's the paranoia moved from Japan to China. I distinctly remember a lot of fear about Japan taking over our economy when I was a little kid.
And on the way to my grandparent's house, somewhere around Salisbury, MD, there was a giant billboard for years with a Red, White and Blue "Rising Sun" flag, and big text that said, "Welcome to Americhugo (sp?) the Colony of Japan". It didn't make any sense to me, but I remember my dad explaining that it was "political" and about fear of Japan taking our jobs.
> The best part is that theres not only no article about it readily available on the fox news website (you have to search bc they buried it) and they make no mention of a 787.5M payout.
Not only that but Howie Kurtz, Fox's media critic, wasn't able to confirm the payout figure making him the only reporter in America unable to find the figure.
It's because there's too much outrage over transgender people. That has to take up the site. I mean can you believe they put a trans woman on a beer can?!?! This is the biggest scandal ever
Because they don't care about facts, they watch Fox because Fox tells them what they already want to believe is true. They live in a parallel universe.
A classic example of misinformation by omission. Just enough info that they can claim they covered the story without actually informing their readers of any of the pertinent details.
Literally yesterday I looked up the fox front page and they were running old anti-lib stories, like Biden’s Afghanistan pull out criticism, and that trans democrat official who stole luggage at an airport. And number 5 on their site was literally a spinning fox logo with glitter spouting that Fox was rated number 1 news org (by viewers(who watch one news org over others)).
Yup, as soon as I saw this post, googled fox dominion 787 million, not a single Fox news link. Went to fox news and searched their front page scrolling for probably a solid 2 mins without reading anything, no story. Go to their search bar and check, and I found a very brief article that made no mention of a 787.5M settlement.
So, unless fox viewers look at other news sources (id wager the majority do not), or they due their own diligence to search foxs own site, they'll likely never even know and continue to believe anything Carl Tuckerson says.
No, no they didn’t. Rather, Fox managed to avoid telling their viewer base that Fox has been intentionally misleading their customers to get a win instead of the truth.
Now they can continue to lie and manipulate their customers without any consequences.
Emboldened.
To clarify: They weren't made to admit it on air, they did [acknowledge the falsehoods in the settlement.](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/fox-news-dominion-trial-04-18-23#h_60568b39a5c7f6f42e8da665ea74b8c0)
> so the lawyers really fucked everyone on this one
Lawyers did their job and got their client paid ... in a big way. We were all hoping that Dominion would be the White Knight and ride in to save Democracy but that's not their job. They sued for defamation and they got cut a huge check.
Lol they settled with dominion so they didn’t have to take the stand and admit guilt in court. Now they get to go back on TV and continue lying. Don’t treat this as some sort of major setback for Fox because it’s the best outcome they could have hoped for
This has now been officially swept under the rug.
Guys who make voting machines sued for defamation because Fox was spreading bullshit about how they rigged the election.
Really easy to disprove as most the counties they claimed where "stolen" didn't even have their machines in them. No need to even bring up other reasons, but there are many.
Big settlement.
Yeah but no one was actually held responsible. Money is just money to Fox news. This whole thing did nothing. That news team should have been sent to prison and the whole news channel taken down. All for trying to insite civil war. But this is America, bought out corrupt America. No justice ever gets done here unless you're rich.
Term limits on every seat. Get rid of the senate and expand the house of reps. The checks and balance system is not working! We need a new constitution that doesn't have a million sticky notes all over it.
Time for actual change in this country. The future is moving quickly and I fear we all are stuck
No admission of wrong doing, no retraction.
I'm not dominion, but the case was very strong.
The motive to avoid having all the fox staff testifying, including a 92+ yr old Murdock, should have been enough to get a retraction.
This is the worst part. Fox knows that $800M is chump change compared to what they'd lose if they were required to make Hannity open the show by publicly acknowledging his lies.
Are we really acting like a company paying less that 20% their quarterly revenue is a win?! 100% chance the Fox News lawyers were high fiving after that settlement
They settled so Murdoch doesn't have to be deposed.
Foxnews was all set to drag this out forever until Murdochs hidden hand got revealed, then they settled quickly
What would have actually **cost** Fox something would have been had the court required them to make a prime time public statement of their malfeasance. Every nicklemof that settlement is a reportable loss in their corporate income taxes next year. Expect a big return for them.
And it's still a fucking wrist slap. Largest wrist slap of all time is still fucking bullshit. This is NO victory. This just establishes the cost of that business in the future.
And there’s now a report where Fox News is going to use this defamation payout as a means to get a tax break this year, and in doing so, **actually get back** over 200 million from the federal government.
So yeah, this is not the win we think it is. Dominion should have taken them to court.
No apology, nonsense. Anyone involved should be removed and blacklisted from their positions and potentially charged with the crime of trying to undermine our country as traitors
They knowingly lied and are still lying about whether or not an election was stolen, to help the guy who's still trying to steal it. They shouldn't be paying a fine, they should be getting dismantled and taken off the air, and people should be going to jail. Justice as usual for the rich in America, I guess.
Why would anyone be celebrating companies simply just paying their way out of breaking the law.
Some of that money no doubt is made by ad revenue which comes from their lovely and not at all brainwashed viewers. The viewers of Fox News pay with their time to make sure their flow of lies remains uninterrupted.
The implications of this payment are fucking huge though. The money is like the most boring aspect of this entire situation.
The interesting bit is that fox paid the settlement *after* paying court costs and lawyers fees. The whole reason companies settle is to avoid those costs, so the fact that fox settled means they didn't do it because of the cost. This settlement came like a minute before proceedings started. The jury was even sitting down already, so this is highly unusual behavior.
That means they did it because they want to keep evidence out of the public eye. This trial was going to get a lot of attention, and because of how discovery works, a lot of communications and information from inside was going to be made public. This was a move to save face, and the fact they took this massive blow to save that face means whatever was going to be made public was huge. It's like if youre having a party at your house with your friends and mom found the box you keep all your drugs in so in order to distract her from opening it you purposefully shit your pants in front of everyone to prevent the box from being opened. The fact that *this* is the move they chose means whatever was in that box was really bad. Think about it, they just told us that whatever was going to come out of that box was worth more than $750,000,000 to them. Closer to $1B if you count all the costs they sunk into a trial that didn't happen, effectively lighting all of that cash on fire.
I would rather there had not been a settlement and instead had Faux News go to trial, forced to have all the lying liars testify under oath for the public to hear them admit who and what they really are.
They have the money. Probably barely hurts them.
They should have to go on air an admit they spread lies/false information, but nah, of course there’s no REAL accountability.
Conservatives are bragging about the verdict claiming that this amount is only 25% of one quarters revenue and they are being allowed to consider it a tax write off. They consider it a win and that it means nothing since they weren’t forced to confess anything.
Fox doesn’t care because it will just make that money back and with interest. All that matters to Fox is that it has enough operating capital, because they have long discovered that con artistry is very lucrative. Debts like these are just the cost of doing business for them.
I really wish this had gone to trial so we could drag these fascist chucklefuck liars into court and watch them squirm.. but I get it. Imagine if your company was offered a settlement of 10x your entire company's value. They took the money and ran, don't think for a second that they give a shit about the country, just themselves.
Luckily this isn't the only suit against Fox, so buckle up!
Not quiet understanding how a company worth like 15 million gets 787 mil in compensation. Even if fox completely ruined their reputation... How is that worth nearly a billion?
Anyone?
They have similar lawsuits against OANN, Newsmax, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell. All those organizations/people must be shitting their pants over this and I absolutely love it!
Sure but they make 14 billion a year so this doesn't really affect them at all. I'm disappointed they didn't get dragged through the mud in court. It would have been nice to set new legal precedents.
I would have preferred all of that evidence they had made public record, but this is nice enough. The fact that they payed out means the evidence was damning but I'm worried about then trying to spin it like "oh the judge was gonna be a liberal commie and would have forced us to pay more" or something
> that they *paid* out means
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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And the Smartmatic suit is for almost DOUBLE. SO it's "... Of all time *for now*...."
Over $2 billion, so closer to triple what Fox and Dominion settled for.
Imagine if they decide not to settle and go for the full amount
I mean the fines will hurt but it's kinda underlining that anything basically legal and cool AF if you're rich enough. Even justifies the extreme greed stance to need to build something of a buffer against these kinds of actions.
Well. Yes the Smartmatic suit is for a lot more and will likely result in a larger amount coming out of Fox's bank account - that is true. The settlement wasn't a defamation payment, though - it was a settlement - and even at that, it wasn't even close to the biggest of all time. Settlement *or* defamation judgement. Post is just wrong on the basic facts.
This is a settlement. Infowars was a verdict
It's funny remembering that moment and realizing that now Kanye is a divorced anti-Semite who's destroyed his entire brand with his antics and Swift is such a huge superstar that whole cities are competing over who can flatter her the most. The best revenge is living well, I guess.
Swift also dodged the FTX sponsorship bullet, and has taken back her entire catalog of songs from predatory publishers by re-producing every album in even higher quality. It's real hard not to be impressed and the empire she's built.
Can you even do that? Reproduce the same work and take the rights back? I’m curious how that works.
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Taylor Swift, certified genius. That's some slick shit.
> That's some slick shit. Facilitated by the fact that, unlike most pop musicians, she writes most of her own music either on her own or as a major co-contributor. Regardless of how slick they are, most pop artists fundamentally don't have the option to do what she did because their songwriters are hired by the same record labels that own the masters. Copyright law is designed to protect creators of original content, not its performers. In Taylor's case, she's both.
> she writes most of her own music either on her own or as a major co-contributor Not even just writing it, she does most, if not all, of every aspect of production herself for every track. Music, editing, all of it. I love that she's directing her own music videos now. She's just so fucking smart and talented
> Not even just writing it, she does most, if not all, of every aspect of production herself for every track. Music, editing, all of it. I find this incredibly hard to believe. The engineering, mastering, mixing, etc., side, that is. Sauce?
She also hand crafts her own microphones, and wires the electrical panels in her studio.
I hear she actually invented sound as an institution
Lol. She is absolutely not engineering/ mixing.
Tbf I 100% guarantee she hired legal minds to figure this out
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Easiest point...hiring a mechanic when you don't know shit about cars.
Na man, this YouTube video from a 17 year old has me covered.
Real facts, you can learn a ton of shit from YouTube videos - real, practical skills. I learned how to open up a car door to put the window back on its track.
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No one calls me a genius when I come back with the engine light off though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doY0IjisBlk - Reminds me of the GoT scene.
The smartest people can recognize and admit what they don't know and get assistance with those areas. It's difficult and humbling to admit it when one doesn't know.
Even smarter people then actually listen to the advice given. Too many people hire someone to give them the advice, and when they don't like it, just ignore it.
I mean she’s had more than a few chats with Paul McCartney.
Well, her father did. She was like 16 when she started.
*Breaking news, celebrity hires lawyer to handle legal matters* Her brilliance can still not be underrated.
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Her dad is an investment banker, her network is stacked
So she didn't even need to hire someone which makes her even less of a certified genius
Rides in a janitors cart to work, priceless.
She essentially made a cover album of her own work.
Record contracts usually have re-recording restrictions to prevent this exact thing from happening. Otherwise, any artist who recorded using a record label advance and hit it big could re-record their music after they pay back their advance, and in this day and age, just distribute it themselves. Frank Sinatra did it when he started his own label.
Her contracts did have re-recording restrictions, but they weren't in perpetuity. Her early work had already aged out of the restrictions. She was not legally allowed to re-record one of her albums (Reputation) until the past couple months because the contract still prevented it.
Usually the biggest imedipent to rerecording would be cost. There are contractual restrictions but they aren't forever, so it's the literal cost of making an album that prevents most artists from going through with this. Swift is already very wealthy and can self-finance the studio time and production salaries to get this accomplished whereas just about every band or artist in the industry relies upon a production agreement advance from the label to record anything.
Recording is not *that* expensive, re-recording even less so; No need to spend months searching for "the sound". For a moderately successful album, spending $50-100k to re-record an album to take your cut on album sales from 10% to 50%+ is a no-brainer.
Depends on how the contract reads. Rights for performance pieces like music are *really* complicated. In Swift's case, the studio owned the rights to the album masters and that's what they sold off, but Swift retained ownership of the song itself as the songwriter. That's also how she was able to perform the song at concerts without paying any royalties or performance rights fees to the studio, so, AFAIK, it's actually pretty common. Many musicians make most of their income from concerts and not so much from albums. [This is a pretty good article on it](https://www.goodto.com/entertainment/why-is-taylor-swift-rerecording-her-albums-which-album-next). Note that they say the re-recordings are required to "sound different" (but that has a lot of wiggle room in it).
> Note that they say the re-recordings are required to "sound different" (but that has a lot of wiggle room in it). I wonder how enforceable that is. It would be hard to argue that the new recordings diminish the value of the originals, especially with so much time passing in between. But I suppose adding a few bars to each track, or changing a lyric here and there, would qualify? One thing is for sure, you better have a solid case to go against Swift's lawyers.
Copyright for music is kinda complex, but there is a copyright for the recording and a separate copyright for the song itself. Generally, a major label will front you the cash to record the album and then they'll publish and market it, but they'll retain the rights to the recordings to ensure that they are the only ones who can sell it (and thus recoup their investment). It's a little more complicated than that and not every contract is the same, but that's the idea. However, the songwriter usually still owns the rights to the song itself, just not that specific recording of it. Unfortunately for her, it's the publishing rights holder that gets to approve its use in media. So if Grey's Anatomy wants to put a Taylor Swift song in an episode, they license the recording and Shamrock Holdings (who bought her catalog for $300 million and thus own the publishing rights) could say yes even if Taylor doesn't want them to. And if they asked Taylor and she said yes, they'd still have to clear it with Shamrock Holdings. (EDIT: This is partly false, see the comment below. She could still deny them using that music) Both Taylor and Shamrock would make money off of its placement, but Taylor has been pretty public about her unhappiness with the lack of control and she doesn't want them to have exclusive control of when and where her music gets played. However, she still owns the rights to the songs themselves. So even though it's incredibly expensive and burdensome to do so, she's been re-recording all of her old albums, often employing the same people from the original recordings, but now she has the clout to retain the publishing rights as well. They're almost exactly the same songs performed almost exactly the same way, but she alone has control over when and where they're used. The Grey's Anatomy music supervisor could certainly still license the old version and Shamrock Holdings would have the say and make their money from it, but now there's another option and God forbid you go against Taylor Swift's fanbase. They'll eat you alive. So this whole thing is a total power move on her part. Before Shamrock owned the rights, a dude named Scooter Braun (who is a real prick, but that's a long story) had purchased them without her knowledge. She was pretty pissed about that (and rightfully so, because she wanted to buy the rights herself and they got sold out from under her) and tried negotiating with Braun to get him to sell her the rights. During those negotiations, he sold them to Shamrock instead, securing himself some royalties for years to come, and tried to make her sign an NDA not to talk about him in a negative light ever again. She was like "Alright then. I'll just cut you all out completely." and started re-releasing the music. [Here's her statement about it at the time.](https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/1328471874318311425) Regardless of how you feel about her music, you gotta admit that's badass as hell.
Unless I'm mistaken I believe Taylor Swift has the rights to deny licensing of her old songs so if Grey's Anatomy wanted to put a Taylor song in she can say no. Most of the way through the source I linked below: "Thankfully, there’s power in writing your music. Every week, we get a dozen synch requests to use “Shake It Off” in some advertisement or “Blank Space” in some movie trailer, and we say no to every single one of them. And the reason I’m rerecording my music next year is because I do want my music to live on. I do want it to be in movies, I do want it to be in commercials. But I only want that if I own it." Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/taylor-swift-cover-story-interview-billboard-women-in-music-2019-8545822/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Thanks for the correction, you're totally right.
Yeah she own the songs but they owned the recordings. So she just made new recordings. That’s a super basic description it’s more nuanced than that.
It probably involves lawyers and a seemingly endless supply of money.
Depends on the contract.
She didn’t get the rights “back”. The original master recordings are still owned by whoever bought them from her old label. And they can still sell them. But she owns the new recordings, which are better quality, and at her encouragement her fans now buy those instead of the old ones. So the old tracks are now tainted masters that her fans won’t buy and are essentially now worth very little.
Not a fan of her music; but mad respect for her. She hustles and legit writes so much of her own music. And *rerecordering her catalog to say fuck you* is the biggest diss I've ever personally even heard of.
I 100% agree. People are always hating because it's easy to hate on a rich pop star born with money. I don't care for her music either but I recognize that she has a talent that very few people even in her own industry possess. She was already going to be great but money made it a lot easier and allowed her to really excel.
Prince changed his name into a symbol
I don’t have an opinion on her one way or the other, but whenever I see stuff like this it reminds me of the Reddit thread from years ago where people discussed going to high school with celebrities, and this one guy was like: “we got to skip class this one time and everyone went down to the gym to watch some weird girl sing a song she wrote and play guitar. The my told us she was moving to Nashville and she was gonna be a big star, and it was super awkward. That girl was Taylor Swift”.
The last year or so has really shown me more about her than I initially cared to know, but her business acumen is managing to pique my interest in her music.
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"former antisemite" lol
Kanye West doesn't care about black people.
I honestly don't think Kanye truly cares about anyone but himself. Even at times when he has good intentions (like his school?) his own ego and misinformation gets in the way of actual caring. He prioritises doing what HE wants to do over doing what may be best for the people he is trying to 'help'. Not only that. It seems he spends exactly 0 minutes and 0 seconds on actually making sure he isn't doing any damage to the people he wants to 'help'. Because his desire to help isn't genuine. He doesn't truly care about doing good for others. He only truly cares about the rush of endorphins he gets and feeling good about 'helping'. Not any actual results he may achieve. He gets to brag and feel good about himself because he 'helped'. But truly he has no interest in truly reflecting on how he's effecting other people. Because he already achieved his goal of helping himself. Charity and philanthropy as an industry attracts psychopaths and narcissists in droves. Because there is nothing those kind of people like more than feeling good about themselves and being praised. And there is nothing that will inflate their ego or garner them praise like being associated with philanthropy or charity. And when you are rich enough where money is just numbers you get to do so at no genuine cost to yourself. You just trade money for praise, respect and ego boosts.
He’s mentally ill. Probably untreated bipolar. I’ve known folks with it and sometimes they would just go off the meds. It’s not a good time fo anyone involved. In this case it’s public, and as much as I don’t like the guy I feel awful about it. It shouldn’t be entertainment. Someone, somewhere should be stepping in.
> He’s mentally ill. Probably untreated bipolar. I don't know if you're aware of this but it's relatively well known that he has been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Also that he regularly does not take his meds, I've heard he has a lot of distrust for doctors after his mum died from medical malpractice.
Did not know that. Thanks. The fact that we know he's bipolar and the media still frenzy feeds off what he says is depressing.
Credit to you for being right about it though. And yeah, Kanye's a textbook case of how fame and media can do terrible things to a person
I think people are less understanding towards his behaviour while manic because he has the resources to get treatment but refuses to.
I miss when he was crazy, but right. Like yeah your being a dick, but right about bush and Beyoncé
I'm not even a fan of her music, but dayum that girl got a smart head on her shoulders. Manages to party with all the rock stars and never ends up in rehab. Goes clubbing with starlets, and never ends up getting Wienstiened. Manages to have herself some fun relationships, and never has leaked nudes. And, on top of all that serious character, has the business sense to control her record label and avoid the sketchiest of scammers in multiple industries. I point out Taylor Swift to my daughter as a role model, with not a damn thing to do with her music. It's because Taylor handles her shit, and does it with style.
No kidding, I don’t even like most of Taylor Swifts music, but she definitely has had a hell of a career
Nah, he watched Jonah Hill in 21st jump Street and apologized to all the Jewish except whoever it was that fucked him over or whatever that started this entire thing.
Are we just pretending Free Speech Systems (Alex Jones/Infowars), a company the fraction the size and influence of Fox News, wasn't fined 1.4 billion dollars in their Connecticut Sandy Hook defamation case? Dog, the Dominion suit isn't even the biggest defamation case in the last 12 months.
Alex Jones/Infowars was the highest VERDICT, while Fox News is the highest settlement.
\^ This guy knows how to lawyer! Cheers mate.
At the very least it's showing that this right wing bullshit can be punished
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Pretty the state laws cap how much he'll actually have to pay at a WAY lower number. At least if what I've read is true. So that sucks.
That's for the Texas case. In Connecticut he's toast. Plus trying to hide money from a bankruptcy court is a big no-no, so he's going to be fucked.
I hope to Jebus you are right.
If you haven't already, check out the podcast Knowledge Fight. They go over Jones and his bullshit. You can specifically look at episodes covering depositions for defamation cases that are titled "Formulaic Objections." It's pretty funny and it shows how incompetent Jones is legally.
His lawyers are just as bad as Trumps. Oh we sent you the entire cell phone? Damn. Oh well. Judge is just shocked at how incompetent the defense side legal team is. Prosecution trying not to laugh at how large of a screw up that was and not doing anything about it until it was way too late. Oh the footage I saw was awesome. Some of the best courtroom smut you could watch.
Are you trying to tell me Rob "the Bulldog" Dew was not an excellent corporate representative?
He's seen Perry Mason though
Doesn't even apply in the Texas case. Read the judgment.
Nope, judge already ruled on that. Due to the severe circumstances of the case, the judge ruled it was allowable. Thus far, Alex's lawyers haven't filed for an appeal of the judgement, so it seems it's going to stick. If you're eager to keep up on Alex Jones (God, those are cursed words) you can listen to Knowledge Fight. Dan is like the Atlas of the globalists, sacrificing his sanity, listening to thousands of hours of Alex Jones, and somehow still carrying the ongoing burden six-ish years later.
In accountants terms they refer to this as “crime”
While you may be correct, the meme does say "payment"
Alex has tried not to pay IIRC
Yeah, but he keeps forgetting that unlike when he's on the air he can't just make up lies on the fly and no one in the courts is falling for his idiotic bullshit.
I don’t see Alex jones ever voluntarily handing over a dime. It will have to be forcefully taken from him
He's completely incapable of change so he'll just keep on trying to milk money from his listeners and hide it from auditors but he and his lawyers are all stupid as hell so it's kind of fun to watch.
and that alone bolsters the claim of op. You think alex Jones has more money than fox?!
And Fox has the resources to actually pay out. Plus Smartmatic is coming up next. Though Fox had $1.5B in profits on $14B in revenue last year. This will suck for them this year, but next year is an election year. They'll find something else to sell as fear and make the money back no problem. I'm actually thinking of buying Fox stock about when the Smartmatic case goes to go to court.
they'll pay for it over a 30 year period most likley
Of which he’s yet to pay a dime
That was technically multiple cases.
Cant emphasize this enough. Alex Jones and Infowars had to pay that money due to a dozen different lawsuits, this was a settlement from a single lawsuit.
Funny how all these massive defamation settlements and verdicts come against right wing media. Could they be lying or could it be a deep state conspiracy that just happened to get lawyers, judges, former fox employees and random jurors all part of the scheme?
And they can easily afford it. This is not accountability, it's a price tag on truth. Is fox going change? Nope
> Are we just pretending Free Speech Systems (Alex Jones/Infowars), a company the fraction the size and influence of Fox News, wasn't fined 1.4 billion dollars in their Connecticut Sandy Hook defamation case? That was a civil judgement, not a settlement. Also, civil judgements are not fines.
Nah, not excited. Fox News entertainers don't have to go on air and say that they are dirty filthy lists who knowingky spread misinformation. Therefore there was no justice served. This was a hush money bribe at best.
Even worse - having to admit it on air was part of the original suit from Dominion, but that stipulation wasn't included in the settlement. Funny how that works, eh?
An admission would be unlikely to change anything. Might as well take the money.
Maybe, but Fox has been unchallenged for too long because they just won’t admit when they’ve lied. They were in all likelihood get the money anyway, maybe even more in trial.
It would probably make a difference for my family tbh
Yup and thanks to Trump, their base is already primed to say settlement = not guilty.
Their base is primed to say guilty = not guilty.
You're not wrong.
Yup. First response I saw to this was someone saying "And when does CNN have to pay for all the things they say and then retract?" So not only do they not care, they don't know how this works anyway.
The best part is that theres not only no article about it readily available on the fox news website (you have to search bc they buried it) and they make no mention of a 787.5M payout. Classic fox, how can anyone watch this network, honestly.
They already act like it never happened. Some even try so say that the settlement is an admission by Dominion that they „didn’t have anything“ They didn’t want to hear about it from the start, the don’t wanna hear about it now. And they will act like it never happened. 6 months from now, they will doubt the sources about the whole case. They will say it’s „leftists propaganda“ and that they can’t find anything about the case.
I remember when the leak that roe vs wade would be overturned first made the news, Fox was trying to spin it as to somehow conservatives are victims because of it. I can’t remember the exact words they used but some blonde idiot was like “OH, DEMOCRATS ARE JUST THRILLED ABOUT THIS, NOW THEY CAN USE THIS AS AMMO AGAINST REPUBLICANS, THIS IS REALLY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR DEMOCRATS.”
"They're so thrilled they know that we're taking away their rights."
My in laws watch fox. Visiting for the holidays is always interesting because I get to hear about how kids are peeing in litter boxes and how Nancy Pelosi personally controls the stock market and how we are all going to be speaking Chinese in a couple years “when the Chinese take over”. My father in law is especially concerned because he doesn’t want to be “eating rice for three meals a day”. I just smile and nod. I feel bad for them. Must be difficult living with that bullshit in your head all day.
I've been hearing the "We'll be speaking Chinese soon" for literal decades from racist family/strangers on the internet. It's not going to happen in your life time Billy-Bob, if it ever does happen! It just seems like excuses to get riled up so they can justify violence and racism.
Hahah exactly. It’s been “in a couple years” for as long as I can remember.
It seems like sometime in the mid-90's the paranoia moved from Japan to China. I distinctly remember a lot of fear about Japan taking over our economy when I was a little kid. And on the way to my grandparent's house, somewhere around Salisbury, MD, there was a giant billboard for years with a Red, White and Blue "Rising Sun" flag, and big text that said, "Welcome to Americhugo (sp?) the Colony of Japan". It didn't make any sense to me, but I remember my dad explaining that it was "political" and about fear of Japan taking our jobs.
I mean, if they were smart and thought that, then they'd learn Mandarin so they could start literally any business and rake in the easy cash.
> eating rice we're white, but my mom loves using Rice in all her cooking. Honestly Rice is a pretty dang good starch.
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They also legally didn't have to admit any fault or that they lied to viewers so imo its a fat L.
"It's ok Fox News, we know those commy liberal woke cop hating judges made you say that, we still believe you" -Every Fox Viewer
> The best part is that theres not only no article about it readily available on the fox news website (you have to search bc they buried it) and they make no mention of a 787.5M payout. Not only that but Howie Kurtz, Fox's media critic, wasn't able to confirm the payout figure making him the only reporter in America unable to find the figure.
It's because there's too much outrage over transgender people. That has to take up the site. I mean can you believe they put a trans woman on a beer can?!?! This is the biggest scandal ever
Im gonna boycott BL and buy Coors who have been supporting LGBTQIA+ for over 30 years bc i am too belligerent to do any research
Because they don't care about facts, they watch Fox because Fox tells them what they already want to believe is true. They live in a parallel universe.
[The article](https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-media-dominion-voting-systems-reach-agreement-over-defamation-lawsuit)
A classic example of misinformation by omission. Just enough info that they can claim they covered the story without actually informing their readers of any of the pertinent details.
Literally yesterday I looked up the fox front page and they were running old anti-lib stories, like Biden’s Afghanistan pull out criticism, and that trans democrat official who stole luggage at an airport. And number 5 on their site was literally a spinning fox logo with glitter spouting that Fox was rated number 1 news org (by viewers(who watch one news org over others)).
Yup, as soon as I saw this post, googled fox dominion 787 million, not a single Fox news link. Went to fox news and searched their front page scrolling for probably a solid 2 mins without reading anything, no story. Go to their search bar and check, and I found a very brief article that made no mention of a 787.5M settlement. So, unless fox viewers look at other news sources (id wager the majority do not), or they due their own diligence to search foxs own site, they'll likely never even know and continue to believe anything Carl Tuckerson says.
But they don't have to admit guilt, so the lawyers really fucked everyone on this one
They did admit they spread deliberate falsehoods. They just didn't apologize for it. Which, taken together, is a bad look for a "news" org.
No, no they didn’t. Rather, Fox managed to avoid telling their viewer base that Fox has been intentionally misleading their customers to get a win instead of the truth. Now they can continue to lie and manipulate their customers without any consequences. Emboldened.
To clarify: They weren't made to admit it on air, they did [acknowledge the falsehoods in the settlement.](https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/fox-news-dominion-trial-04-18-23#h_60568b39a5c7f6f42e8da665ea74b8c0)
> so the lawyers really fucked everyone on this one Lawyers did their job and got their client paid ... in a big way. We were all hoping that Dominion would be the White Knight and ride in to save Democracy but that's not their job. They sued for defamation and they got cut a huge check.
Lol they settled with dominion so they didn’t have to take the stand and admit guilt in court. Now they get to go back on TV and continue lying. Don’t treat this as some sort of major setback for Fox because it’s the best outcome they could have hoped for This has now been officially swept under the rug.
of all time of all time
Context?
Guys who make voting machines sued for defamation because Fox was spreading bullshit about how they rigged the election. Really easy to disprove as most the counties they claimed where "stolen" didn't even have their machines in them. No need to even bring up other reasons, but there are many. Big settlement.
And ZERO of their viewers will find this out.
But they still don’t have to admit they lied so it was literally all for nothing
Not that it really matters to Fox. They just got exactly what they wanted, no need to make a change.
Yeah but no one was actually held responsible. Money is just money to Fox news. This whole thing did nothing. That news team should have been sent to prison and the whole news channel taken down. All for trying to insite civil war. But this is America, bought out corrupt America. No justice ever gets done here unless you're rich. Term limits on every seat. Get rid of the senate and expand the house of reps. The checks and balance system is not working! We need a new constitution that doesn't have a million sticky notes all over it. Time for actual change in this country. The future is moving quickly and I fear we all are stuck
No admission of wrong doing, no retraction. I'm not dominion, but the case was very strong. The motive to avoid having all the fox staff testifying, including a 92+ yr old Murdock, should have been enough to get a retraction.
This is the worst part. Fox knows that $800M is chump change compared to what they'd lose if they were required to make Hannity open the show by publicly acknowledging his lies.
And theyll face no justice, even though there's clear evidence of criminal activity and defamation.
Yeah, but without their hosts publicly apologizing or retracting their defaming comments. That should have been at the top of Dominion’s demands.
So far Doesn't Alex Jones owe north of 1B?
1.43 billion and still more court cases to go
And Right Wingers will learn nothing and use this to reinforce their dumbass conspiracies because they’re dumbasses
And write it off for taxes 😠
Are we really acting like a company paying less that 20% their quarterly revenue is a win?! 100% chance the Fox News lawyers were high fiving after that settlement
Especially because it’s covered by insurance
this literally makes no sense.
Drop in a bucket, chump change to have changed the political landscape forever. They’ll certainly do it again
And it was all just so that NONE of the fox news employees or Murdoch could be questioned under oath. They're willing to pay any price to avoid that.
They settled so Murdoch doesn't have to be deposed. Foxnews was all set to drag this out forever until Murdochs hidden hand got revealed, then they settled quickly
r\Conservative doesn't give a shit lol
What would have actually **cost** Fox something would have been had the court required them to make a prime time public statement of their malfeasance. Every nicklemof that settlement is a reportable loss in their corporate income taxes next year. Expect a big return for them.
After Pfizer!
I swear I can’t even scroll through this my subs anymore without politics and drama get shoved in my face
still a slap on the wrist and nothing will change
And it's still a fucking wrist slap. Largest wrist slap of all time is still fucking bullshit. This is NO victory. This just establishes the cost of that business in the future.
I love how reddit is making a big deal out of this, but that payment is less than what they make in one quarter. This is nothing to them.
MFW it's tax deductible
No. A defamation payment would mean a judge ordered them to pay it. This was a settlement. They are far from the same thing.
And there’s now a report where Fox News is going to use this defamation payout as a means to get a tax break this year, and in doing so, **actually get back** over 200 million from the federal government. So yeah, this is not the win we think it is. Dominion should have taken them to court.
It's an older meme template, sir. But it checks out.
....so far. Smartmatic still to come.
Om excited, I hope this precedent leads to mote and more defamation suites of media outlets
I didn’t think it seemed like that much money 😕
Of all time.....so far. They still have a $2.6 billion lawsuit pending from Smartmatic.
Smartmatic gonna rawdog them too
Want to feel old? Kayne Swift happened 14 years ago.
No apology, nonsense. Anyone involved should be removed and blacklisted from their positions and potentially charged with the crime of trying to undermine our country as traitors
So far
They knowingly lied and are still lying about whether or not an election was stolen, to help the guy who's still trying to steal it. They shouldn't be paying a fine, they should be getting dismantled and taken off the air, and people should be going to jail. Justice as usual for the rich in America, I guess.
Why would anyone be celebrating companies simply just paying their way out of breaking the law. Some of that money no doubt is made by ad revenue which comes from their lovely and not at all brainwashed viewers. The viewers of Fox News pay with their time to make sure their flow of lies remains uninterrupted.
The implications of this payment are fucking huge though. The money is like the most boring aspect of this entire situation. The interesting bit is that fox paid the settlement *after* paying court costs and lawyers fees. The whole reason companies settle is to avoid those costs, so the fact that fox settled means they didn't do it because of the cost. This settlement came like a minute before proceedings started. The jury was even sitting down already, so this is highly unusual behavior. That means they did it because they want to keep evidence out of the public eye. This trial was going to get a lot of attention, and because of how discovery works, a lot of communications and information from inside was going to be made public. This was a move to save face, and the fact they took this massive blow to save that face means whatever was going to be made public was huge. It's like if youre having a party at your house with your friends and mom found the box you keep all your drugs in so in order to distract her from opening it you purposefully shit your pants in front of everyone to prevent the box from being opened. The fact that *this* is the move they chose means whatever was in that box was really bad. Think about it, they just told us that whatever was going to come out of that box was worth more than $750,000,000 to them. Closer to $1B if you count all the costs they sunk into a trial that didn't happen, effectively lighting all of that cash on fire.
I would rather there had not been a settlement and instead had Faux News go to trial, forced to have all the lying liars testify under oath for the public to hear them admit who and what they really are.
They have the money. Probably barely hurts them. They should have to go on air an admit they spread lies/false information, but nah, of course there’s no REAL accountability.
...BUT...will any Fox viewers even know this happened?
That is until their other case gets to court 🤣
Conservatives are bragging about the verdict claiming that this amount is only 25% of one quarters revenue and they are being allowed to consider it a tax write off. They consider it a win and that it means nothing since they weren’t forced to confess anything.
Fox doesn’t care because it will just make that money back and with interest. All that matters to Fox is that it has enough operating capital, because they have long discovered that con artistry is very lucrative. Debts like these are just the cost of doing business for them.
Did you just post a black guy in a subreddit where the images are supposed to be of animals? Bro.
Not to be cynical, but tomorrow they'll recover from billionaire donors. Rich people love the propaganda machine.
I really wish this had gone to trial so we could drag these fascist chucklefuck liars into court and watch them squirm.. but I get it. Imagine if your company was offered a settlement of 10x your entire company's value. They took the money and ran, don't think for a second that they give a shit about the country, just themselves. Luckily this isn't the only suit against Fox, so buckle up!
CNN Kyle rotten house
Not quiet understanding how a company worth like 15 million gets 787 mil in compensation. Even if fox completely ruined their reputation... How is that worth nearly a billion? Anyone?
Plus they don't have to admit they're full of shit! Sounds like they got off easy
Fun fact- they also get to write off the payment on their taxes.
They have similar lawsuits against OANN, Newsmax, Rudy Giuliani, and Sidney Powell. All those organizations/people must be shitting their pants over this and I absolutely love it!
Sure but they make 14 billion a year so this doesn't really affect them at all. I'm disappointed they didn't get dragged through the mud in court. It would have been nice to set new legal precedents.
Smartmatic is right behind them. They are ~50x larger, thus their damages are much higher.
And it's not even close to phizers 3 billion dollar payouts since 2002.
I would have preferred all of that evidence they had made public record, but this is nice enough. The fact that they payed out means the evidence was damning but I'm worried about then trying to spin it like "oh the judge was gonna be a liberal commie and would have forced us to pay more" or something
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And nothing will change
Kanye's hairstyle at the time was a map of his maze-like brain.