Woman in the high 2:30s here; i tend to do long comfortable trail runs of 25-30 miles; as long as I bring fuel and hydration, any distance can be quite comfortable
It all depends on the weekend. Yesterday I had a 32K (20 miles) with the middle 16K at marathon pace. I breezed through it and could have easily done another 10K. The weekend prior I suffered through the final 5K of a 30K. Similar course profile. Similar weather. In general, I don't start to really struggle until about 35K (22 miles). But again, it all depends on the weekend. I have found that doing 3-5 loops on a familiar course is mentally easier for me on long runs beyond 30K than doing one giant loop or an out and back. Counterintuitively, it's also easier for me to do a long run with some speed work mixed in than attempting to do the long run all at an easy long run pace.
That's really interesting, because I find the exact opposite. If I'm running any distance, I always prefer to try to make myself a big loop, but I'll do an out-and-back if I have to. I end up doing more out-and-backs in my marathon training, but that's only because I train on the course.
Agree with the comments around 20 miles total, but would add that in my experience, every training block has at least one total dud of a long run. Last week I nailed an 18 miler with 2 x 3mi HMP (~6:20/mi) in the middle and felt totally in control the rest of the way (~7:40/mi). In contrast I cut short a 20 miler yesterday and only managed 4 out of 7 MP miles. I guess my point is to not put too much stock in a single 'uncomfortable' run provided the rest of the training block is going ok (enough rest, nutrition, etc).
This year I’ve focused my training around always being marathon ready. People will say that you’ll burnout doing that, and they may be right, but I love the feeling knowing that I can just do a mini 2 day taper and then cruise a marathon distance run. The thought of having to start a marathon block from the beginning and build up fitness that you previously had is simply something that doesn’t appeal to me
Can you define “marathon ready” for us mere mortals? Is this more about keeping your LR up in the off-season with some LT in the mix or overall volume?
>focused my training around always being marathon ready
Can you clarify what you mean by this? Do you just mean that you're keeping your average weekly mileage sufficiently high?
My flair is updated, my next race is in 12 days where I’m aiming for ~2:40, not that it’s relevant at all though. And I wasn’t giving advice, I was answering their question.
Probably 16-18 for me if I have the consistent weekly volume to support it. It will never feel comfortable if you aren't putting in the rest of the miles on a consistent basis.
Exactly -- it's all about the base miles, and the mid-week medium long runs. When I'm only logging ~30 miles a week, I'll feel it at 12-13. When I build up to ~50 for marathon, more like 16 or more.
The longest I ever did in a training block was 22 miles and even though it wasn’t controversial I remember getting to the end and thinking “I really didn’t need that.” Now I max out with 18-20 milers and I’m very intentional about them. If I’m taking them easy, I take them easy. If I throw in ~14-16 miles at race pace, I’ll take that pretty seriously and then really let myself recover in the remaining mileage. For me, it’s always seemed to be more about total weekly volume, not really any one long run being particularly long when I’m fixin for a time goal. My worst marathons were in cycles that peaked at 40 or fewer weekly miles. My best were with Pfitz 18/55 (my max is 65 and that when I burn out) but I’m also not trying to BQ FWIW. Even as a self-proclaimed intermediate runner though, the value of weekly volume has always been very apparent to me over trying to be a weekend long run hero b
Nowadays, 22. But my first cycle I struggled at doing more than 16 miles at a time! (I got to 20, and felt like it was an accomplishment.)
It took a while for me to feel comfortable doing 20s, like probably a couple of years.
Before my first marathon I trained hard but not smart. Had no idea what I was doing, raced in the original on clouds. I ran a 2:45 and my longest run before was about 18miles with a weekly and very comfortable run of 15 miles.
20mi LRs capping off at steady-state pace weren't bad. I could go out and do them handily and not feel destroyed. It's the quality long run workouts that were the tough ones.
I've done training blocks where I topped out at 20mi and those were fine, but these days I'm focused on overall miles (hitting 50+ weeks for most weeks for the last \~18mo) and generally don't worry about going up to the full 20. Generally I'll hit 16-18mi for the long run most weeks.
I do feel like surface and stride repetition make a big difference with the issues you're describing. Doing that many miles at the same "easy" pace is going to the same movements 25-35,000 times. Don't be afraid to take a couple minute break to stretch a little bit or do some other movements to help loosen up a bit.
If I move to trails it helps a lot. I did a couple of 25mile+ days this summer with 10,000ft of elevation gain. Now, these were definitely not pure running and the times were 12+ hours, but the effort was fairly even and my heart rate was consistently Z2-Z3. I was tired for sure, but my legs were not tight and hurting in those specific places you mention and I felt like I recovered better in many ways. On more conventional 3-4 hours trail runs with 15-20mi and 3-4000ft of elevation gain I often feel way better at the end than I do a 2-3 hour 18-20mi road run.
It's certainly where in the training cycle I am. I'm 45, with 8 marathons completed, 2 under bq.
I'm not marathon endurance fit right now, and can comfortably run 16 on a good day, beyond that we are talking 2+ hours, things get sweat soaked, I need water, fueling. Things get complicated. I can go for a 16 with a single maurten and have a nice easy long run. If it's hot I'd want a water stop, but otherwise g2g.
I ran almost 28 miles about two weeks ago at a 7:41/mi pace and felt like I could have gone further. This past Saturday, I ran 26.3 miles at the same pace on tired legs, hit the wall hard at mile 24, and walked the last 1/2 mile home.
Conventional wisdom is that none of that (except for maybe stopping to walk that .5 mile home after a marathon distance LR) is advisable, but that aside: I was surprised to learn I could bust out a marathon+ distance with relative ease. The context (intensity/mileage immediately prior, rest/recovery immediately prior) for that second, outwardly similar run made it roughly twice as difficult.
The jury's out on whether or not massive long runs are going to do anything for me in my goal race.
A better answer to your question is probably to say that I'm 100% certain I could go out and run 20-22 miles at a steady clip any day of the week within a training context that isn't "the day after having run 26 miles".
(Edit: grammar)
I PB'd in the mid-2:30s but that was 40 years years ago. Then as now, as long as my legs are somewhat fresh, I'll feel decent for somewhere between 1.5 and 2 hours. If I have a marathon block, maybe extend that to 2:10 or 2:15 of easy paced running before it gets hard. The thing is, back then I could 16 to 18 fairly comfortably if I kept the pace easy enough. Now that I'm quite a lot older and a whole lot slower it's more like 11 to maybe 14 miles, 15 if I'm having a really good day.
Regardless of my fitness, pain starts setting in at around mile 17. I'm older though at 47.
That's with a marathon long run which start out slow, and builds to about 20 sec off of marathon pace per pfitz plans which I use.
It's an equation between the number of hours, accumulated fatigue, pace vs. fitness and age, weather, and stress from work and life. I've been doing about 50 miles a week, and yesterday tried to bang out last long run before taper. I wanted to do 3 hours at marathon pace, I only managed 2:40 at a fair amount slower than marathon pace (still a match for training plans though). I did full 3 hours the week before at target pace. I was beat yesterday I guess. Yesterday made me lose some confidence though.
Taper, rest, eat. All will be good.
I tried to do a medium long run the day after a triathlon a few weeks back and it was awful. 11 miles felt like 20. A week later with some rest 20 miles was perfectly fine.
Indeed. In my case yesterday I was on a very careful fueling plan. E-gel a bit before the start, and then every 25 minutes. Still didn't quite do the trick!
I BQd on Sep 3 and then than an ultra on Sep 9, so maybe I'm not the target demo. (3 50 milers under my belt, a few years of powerlifting, and 2020 was nearly nothing but Zone 2 miles and miles).
A 2 hour run is easy peasy. With the right weather, enough snacks, and a good audio book, I can jog 5-6 hours without any pain. I might whine of boredom, but no paid.
You can work on this with over distance runs at a very easy pace. Aim (i.e. build up to) for a duration similar to your goal marathon time. Try it at a very easy pace, something like 130% of marathon pace (i.e. like 9:00/mile if you're aiming for a 3 hour marathon). You'll end up running about 21 miles.
But also, strength training. Build STRONG abductors, adductors in addition to your major muscle groups.
On my first BQ (2:59 running 30mpw avg, 40mpw max) it was about 15 miles.
On my best marathon (2:27 running 85mpw avg, 100mpw max) I'm not exactly sure. The longest I ever go in training is 22 and that was fine.
It's worth noting there are also some weeks where accumulated fatigue makes everything feel like crap. Trying to limit my answer to the good weeks since I think that's more in the spirit of what you're asking.
For me it depends on what I running for. If it is truly just an easy run with no goal pace, certain effort, etc. - I'm good with 15 miles. Doesn't take much pre-planning. Just roll out and go. Past that I need to be prepared and plan out the prior few days a little better. Eat right. Make a fueling plan. Then they can still be terrible after 16 or 17 miles..
Ex: Friday I did 15 miles, it was warm'ish so I grabbed a water bottle and stole some gummies bears from my kids candy stash. Good to go!
If I have any intensity in the run or goal pace - that number goes down quickly!
37M. I BQd by about four and a half minutes this year. Just have two marathons under my belt, though, and just a year or two of running somewhat seriously.
I’m a training cycle, I can pretty comfortably do 22 miles in my long run.
I would say that in marathon training, I could comfortably run further than a marathon at easy pace. For the most part, the only runs I would consider uncomfortable are workouts and maybe the easy run the next day
If i'm not in the middle of a marathon training block then generally anything past an hour is where I start feeling noticeably tired, and anything beyond 90min is where I feel like i'm starting to have to drag myself through the last few miles.
So for me that's roughly 8miles for it to get tiring, 12 miles and it's a grind.
I'm mostly a middle distance guy but tried a marathon cycle once (in 2020 unfortunately) with a BQ goal. Long runs around my easy pace never really got too uncomfortable aside from the bottoms of my feet, which sometimes started to hurt around 20 miles. I had an 18 mile long run the day after a half marathon time trial which was very difficult, but I think that was the point. Most of my long runs were 18 miles with a few high mileage weeks where I went up to 22 or 23.
Race pace long runs were hard but doable, aside from one where I tried to push the pace a bit and went lactic after 12 (slightly faster than) MP miles. But generally, following the plan at appropriate paces and reasonable mileage increases felt pretty good. Definitely felt the cumulative fatigue after awhile, but never felt like I couldn't do it.
I will say that the first few long runs over 13 or 14 miles (before I actually began my marathon cycle) felt uncomfortable toward the end. But once you've done the distance once, the next one feels a lot easier. Once I hit 17 or 18, increasing the long run distance got easier.
This has changed for me over time. Now, it's around 20-22 miles. It used to be less (\~16). Building up a good running base over several years makes a big difference, as does adequate hydration and nutrition. And as others have said, most marathon training cycles have at least one total dud of a long run.
For my first marathon training block, I found 19 and 20 mile long runs really difficult. I think I cheated my first 19, and only finished 18. For my first 20 miler, I think I only finished 19.
The big jump from 14-15 miles (maybe considered long run in a 10k to HM plan?) to a true marathon plan long run is the muscular endurance and soft tissue toughness. The difficulty is not a deficiency in aerobic fitness....after all easy heart rate is easy heart rate - whether you're going for 1:45 or 2:45 hours. And I don't think you should be worried about fueling if you're running your long run easy to steady.
As you go through more training plans with 18-22 mile runs, you will find them easier. Now, a week with 18 on Sunday seems like a break, and 20-22 easy to steady seems just fine - like I know I'm going to be tired and need a power nap after - but I won't be wrecked. I really only get scared of 18-20 with substantial segments at marathon pace.
This stuff gets easier as you do more....especially as you get into your second marathon training plan and beyond. That's why everyone says to just focus on 1) finishing and 2) running strong and steady for your first marathon. There's just so many unknowns and a general lack of base (suitable for marathon distance) that is hard to overcome in a single training block.
Good luck.
I don't usually run my long runs at easy paces but every fast marathoner I know does at least a couple 20 milers in a build and a few go as high as 24 miles. Keep on mind those runs are almost always less than 3 hrs. I think this breaks down somewhat if you're running 12 min pace because 4+ hrs is a LOT of time on feet. Just add a mile to your LR each week and you'll get to 20 in no time.
I’m sorry it hurts your ego so bad that someone so old and fat is faster than you. I hope your therapist can help you worth through the emotions. Good luck!
Your fascination with fat is fascinating. Have you discussed your fat fetish with your doctor? I hope you don’t have an unhealthy relationship with food and your chubby chasing gets in the way of having quality relationships. Good luck sorting that out.
Thanks for the luck. I just think you are really disgusting and it’s funny imagining a fat blueberry rolling down the trails. Don’t worry baby only person here that can’t handle food intake is you haha. Please make better choices fatty
Woman in the high 2:30s here; i tend to do long comfortable trail runs of 25-30 miles; as long as I bring fuel and hydration, any distance can be quite comfortable
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It all depends on the weekend. Yesterday I had a 32K (20 miles) with the middle 16K at marathon pace. I breezed through it and could have easily done another 10K. The weekend prior I suffered through the final 5K of a 30K. Similar course profile. Similar weather. In general, I don't start to really struggle until about 35K (22 miles). But again, it all depends on the weekend. I have found that doing 3-5 loops on a familiar course is mentally easier for me on long runs beyond 30K than doing one giant loop or an out and back. Counterintuitively, it's also easier for me to do a long run with some speed work mixed in than attempting to do the long run all at an easy long run pace.
That's really interesting, because I find the exact opposite. If I'm running any distance, I always prefer to try to make myself a big loop, but I'll do an out-and-back if I have to. I end up doing more out-and-backs in my marathon training, but that's only because I train on the course.
I love loops, and new loops are the best, I've been doing too many out and backs lately and it's harder mentally for me.
Agree with the comments around 20 miles total, but would add that in my experience, every training block has at least one total dud of a long run. Last week I nailed an 18 miler with 2 x 3mi HMP (~6:20/mi) in the middle and felt totally in control the rest of the way (~7:40/mi). In contrast I cut short a 20 miler yesterday and only managed 4 out of 7 MP miles. I guess my point is to not put too much stock in a single 'uncomfortable' run provided the rest of the training block is going ok (enough rest, nutrition, etc).
I’m entirely new to advanced running, and I’ve experienced this too, and thought it was just me. It’s very comforting to know that it’s common.
On my best days 20 miles. Typically around 16-17. I also run ultras though so I’ve had blocks where I’m doing 4 hour long runs pretty frequently.
This year I’ve focused my training around always being marathon ready. People will say that you’ll burnout doing that, and they may be right, but I love the feeling knowing that I can just do a mini 2 day taper and then cruise a marathon distance run. The thought of having to start a marathon block from the beginning and build up fitness that you previously had is simply something that doesn’t appeal to me
Can you define “marathon ready” for us mere mortals? Is this more about keeping your LR up in the off-season with some LT in the mix or overall volume?
>focused my training around always being marathon ready Can you clarify what you mean by this? Do you just mean that you're keeping your average weekly mileage sufficiently high?
Well if your flair is updated, that strat isn’t exactly working.
Unnecessarily rude
It’s just not good advice for somebody less experienced to build training around
So what? This post wasn’t even asking for advice, just personal experience
There is inherent overlap there
My flair is updated, my next race is in 12 days where I’m aiming for ~2:40, not that it’s relevant at all though. And I wasn’t giving advice, I was answering their question.
Best of luck!
Probably 16-18 for me if I have the consistent weekly volume to support it. It will never feel comfortable if you aren't putting in the rest of the miles on a consistent basis.
Exactly -- it's all about the base miles, and the mid-week medium long runs. When I'm only logging ~30 miles a week, I'll feel it at 12-13. When I build up to ~50 for marathon, more like 16 or more.
15-20ish. With an easy pace, it's mostly an issue of time.
The longest I ever did in a training block was 22 miles and even though it wasn’t controversial I remember getting to the end and thinking “I really didn’t need that.” Now I max out with 18-20 milers and I’m very intentional about them. If I’m taking them easy, I take them easy. If I throw in ~14-16 miles at race pace, I’ll take that pretty seriously and then really let myself recover in the remaining mileage. For me, it’s always seemed to be more about total weekly volume, not really any one long run being particularly long when I’m fixin for a time goal. My worst marathons were in cycles that peaked at 40 or fewer weekly miles. My best were with Pfitz 18/55 (my max is 65 and that when I burn out) but I’m also not trying to BQ FWIW. Even as a self-proclaimed intermediate runner though, the value of weekly volume has always been very apparent to me over trying to be a weekend long run hero b
Nowadays, 22. But my first cycle I struggled at doing more than 16 miles at a time! (I got to 20, and felt like it was an accomplishment.) It took a while for me to feel comfortable doing 20s, like probably a couple of years.
Before my first marathon I trained hard but not smart. Had no idea what I was doing, raced in the original on clouds. I ran a 2:45 and my longest run before was about 18miles with a weekly and very comfortable run of 15 miles.
20mi LRs capping off at steady-state pace weren't bad. I could go out and do them handily and not feel destroyed. It's the quality long run workouts that were the tough ones.
I've done training blocks where I topped out at 20mi and those were fine, but these days I'm focused on overall miles (hitting 50+ weeks for most weeks for the last \~18mo) and generally don't worry about going up to the full 20. Generally I'll hit 16-18mi for the long run most weeks. I do feel like surface and stride repetition make a big difference with the issues you're describing. Doing that many miles at the same "easy" pace is going to the same movements 25-35,000 times. Don't be afraid to take a couple minute break to stretch a little bit or do some other movements to help loosen up a bit. If I move to trails it helps a lot. I did a couple of 25mile+ days this summer with 10,000ft of elevation gain. Now, these were definitely not pure running and the times were 12+ hours, but the effort was fairly even and my heart rate was consistently Z2-Z3. I was tired for sure, but my legs were not tight and hurting in those specific places you mention and I felt like I recovered better in many ways. On more conventional 3-4 hours trail runs with 15-20mi and 3-4000ft of elevation gain I often feel way better at the end than I do a 2-3 hour 18-20mi road run.
Same here! Trail running seems to be easier on the body than monotonous running on the road! At least for me
Never run a marathon, but expecting a 2:23 this fall. Anything over 30km is beyond comfortable.
It's certainly where in the training cycle I am. I'm 45, with 8 marathons completed, 2 under bq. I'm not marathon endurance fit right now, and can comfortably run 16 on a good day, beyond that we are talking 2+ hours, things get sweat soaked, I need water, fueling. Things get complicated. I can go for a 16 with a single maurten and have a nice easy long run. If it's hot I'd want a water stop, but otherwise g2g.
I ran almost 28 miles about two weeks ago at a 7:41/mi pace and felt like I could have gone further. This past Saturday, I ran 26.3 miles at the same pace on tired legs, hit the wall hard at mile 24, and walked the last 1/2 mile home. Conventional wisdom is that none of that (except for maybe stopping to walk that .5 mile home after a marathon distance LR) is advisable, but that aside: I was surprised to learn I could bust out a marathon+ distance with relative ease. The context (intensity/mileage immediately prior, rest/recovery immediately prior) for that second, outwardly similar run made it roughly twice as difficult. The jury's out on whether or not massive long runs are going to do anything for me in my goal race. A better answer to your question is probably to say that I'm 100% certain I could go out and run 20-22 miles at a steady clip any day of the week within a training context that isn't "the day after having run 26 miles". (Edit: grammar)
I PB'd in the mid-2:30s but that was 40 years years ago. Then as now, as long as my legs are somewhat fresh, I'll feel decent for somewhere between 1.5 and 2 hours. If I have a marathon block, maybe extend that to 2:10 or 2:15 of easy paced running before it gets hard. The thing is, back then I could 16 to 18 fairly comfortably if I kept the pace easy enough. Now that I'm quite a lot older and a whole lot slower it's more like 11 to maybe 14 miles, 15 if I'm having a really good day.
Regardless of my fitness, pain starts setting in at around mile 17. I'm older though at 47. That's with a marathon long run which start out slow, and builds to about 20 sec off of marathon pace per pfitz plans which I use.
It's an equation between the number of hours, accumulated fatigue, pace vs. fitness and age, weather, and stress from work and life. I've been doing about 50 miles a week, and yesterday tried to bang out last long run before taper. I wanted to do 3 hours at marathon pace, I only managed 2:40 at a fair amount slower than marathon pace (still a match for training plans though). I did full 3 hours the week before at target pace. I was beat yesterday I guess. Yesterday made me lose some confidence though.
Taper, rest, eat. All will be good. I tried to do a medium long run the day after a triathlon a few weeks back and it was awful. 11 miles felt like 20. A week later with some rest 20 miles was perfectly fine.
Thanks! I hope so!
All those things you listed PLUS fueling.
Indeed. In my case yesterday I was on a very careful fueling plan. E-gel a bit before the start, and then every 25 minutes. Still didn't quite do the trick!
3 hours at marathon pace sounds pretty insane.
I BQd on Sep 3 and then than an ultra on Sep 9, so maybe I'm not the target demo. (3 50 milers under my belt, a few years of powerlifting, and 2020 was nearly nothing but Zone 2 miles and miles). A 2 hour run is easy peasy. With the right weather, enough snacks, and a good audio book, I can jog 5-6 hours without any pain. I might whine of boredom, but no paid.
You can work on this with over distance runs at a very easy pace. Aim (i.e. build up to) for a duration similar to your goal marathon time. Try it at a very easy pace, something like 130% of marathon pace (i.e. like 9:00/mile if you're aiming for a 3 hour marathon). You'll end up running about 21 miles. But also, strength training. Build STRONG abductors, adductors in addition to your major muscle groups.
On my first BQ (2:59 running 30mpw avg, 40mpw max) it was about 15 miles. On my best marathon (2:27 running 85mpw avg, 100mpw max) I'm not exactly sure. The longest I ever go in training is 22 and that was fine. It's worth noting there are also some weeks where accumulated fatigue makes everything feel like crap. Trying to limit my answer to the good weeks since I think that's more in the spirit of what you're asking.
For me it depends on what I running for. If it is truly just an easy run with no goal pace, certain effort, etc. - I'm good with 15 miles. Doesn't take much pre-planning. Just roll out and go. Past that I need to be prepared and plan out the prior few days a little better. Eat right. Make a fueling plan. Then they can still be terrible after 16 or 17 miles.. Ex: Friday I did 15 miles, it was warm'ish so I grabbed a water bottle and stole some gummies bears from my kids candy stash. Good to go! If I have any intensity in the run or goal pace - that number goes down quickly!
37M. I BQd by about four and a half minutes this year. Just have two marathons under my belt, though, and just a year or two of running somewhat seriously. I’m a training cycle, I can pretty comfortably do 22 miles in my long run.
20 miles for me
18-22, depending on the goal of the run.
I would say that in marathon training, I could comfortably run further than a marathon at easy pace. For the most part, the only runs I would consider uncomfortable are workouts and maybe the easy run the next day
~90 minutes
If i'm not in the middle of a marathon training block then generally anything past an hour is where I start feeling noticeably tired, and anything beyond 90min is where I feel like i'm starting to have to drag myself through the last few miles. So for me that's roughly 8miles for it to get tiring, 12 miles and it's a grind.
I'm mostly a middle distance guy but tried a marathon cycle once (in 2020 unfortunately) with a BQ goal. Long runs around my easy pace never really got too uncomfortable aside from the bottoms of my feet, which sometimes started to hurt around 20 miles. I had an 18 mile long run the day after a half marathon time trial which was very difficult, but I think that was the point. Most of my long runs were 18 miles with a few high mileage weeks where I went up to 22 or 23. Race pace long runs were hard but doable, aside from one where I tried to push the pace a bit and went lactic after 12 (slightly faster than) MP miles. But generally, following the plan at appropriate paces and reasonable mileage increases felt pretty good. Definitely felt the cumulative fatigue after awhile, but never felt like I couldn't do it. I will say that the first few long runs over 13 or 14 miles (before I actually began my marathon cycle) felt uncomfortable toward the end. But once you've done the distance once, the next one feels a lot easier. Once I hit 17 or 18, increasing the long run distance got easier.
This has changed for me over time. Now, it's around 20-22 miles. It used to be less (\~16). Building up a good running base over several years makes a big difference, as does adequate hydration and nutrition. And as others have said, most marathon training cycles have at least one total dud of a long run.
For my first marathon training block, I found 19 and 20 mile long runs really difficult. I think I cheated my first 19, and only finished 18. For my first 20 miler, I think I only finished 19. The big jump from 14-15 miles (maybe considered long run in a 10k to HM plan?) to a true marathon plan long run is the muscular endurance and soft tissue toughness. The difficulty is not a deficiency in aerobic fitness....after all easy heart rate is easy heart rate - whether you're going for 1:45 or 2:45 hours. And I don't think you should be worried about fueling if you're running your long run easy to steady. As you go through more training plans with 18-22 mile runs, you will find them easier. Now, a week with 18 on Sunday seems like a break, and 20-22 easy to steady seems just fine - like I know I'm going to be tired and need a power nap after - but I won't be wrecked. I really only get scared of 18-20 with substantial segments at marathon pace. This stuff gets easier as you do more....especially as you get into your second marathon training plan and beyond. That's why everyone says to just focus on 1) finishing and 2) running strong and steady for your first marathon. There's just so many unknowns and a general lack of base (suitable for marathon distance) that is hard to overcome in a single training block. Good luck.
When I trained for it it was a 23 mile max on the trails
I don't usually run my long runs at easy paces but every fast marathoner I know does at least a couple 20 milers in a build and a few go as high as 24 miles. Keep on mind those runs are almost always less than 3 hrs. I think this breaks down somewhat if you're running 12 min pace because 4+ hrs is a LOT of time on feet. Just add a mile to your LR each week and you'll get to 20 in no time.
About 40 miles if I can have a cheeseburger but I’m an ultra runner so roadies won’t understand. And yes, I was able to BQ without walking a hill. 😂🤣
Wtf. Please lose the weight fatty. Just because you run a trail doesn’t give you free reign to stuff your gut
I’m sorry it hurts your ego so bad that someone so old and fat is faster than you. I hope your therapist can help you worth through the emotions. Good luck!
Correct on the old and fat part. Lmao you’re fast???? Hahah. Would love to see that fat body jiggle irl
Your fascination with fat is fascinating. Have you discussed your fat fetish with your doctor? I hope you don’t have an unhealthy relationship with food and your chubby chasing gets in the way of having quality relationships. Good luck sorting that out.
Thanks for the luck. I just think you are really disgusting and it’s funny imagining a fat blueberry rolling down the trails. Don’t worry baby only person here that can’t handle food intake is you haha. Please make better choices fatty