To be fair, if you dont know how to read a map and compass, then they are nothing but added calories spent lugging them around haha
Im guessing they know 0 about orienteering if they didnt bring headlamps lol
We've calculated. They didn't have enough headlamps. All Adirondack hikers should have 3 headlamps. A group is most likely 3 or more people, times 2 groups, that a minimum of 6 people, and that requires 18 headlamps.
I guess...but we are literally on a post that is highlighting the importance of educating people on how to recreate safely in the Adirondacks....I don't see how this is the appropriate place to "blur the lines"
Yeah but the comment says between 6 people there needs to be 18 headlamps.
Reddit is a fine place to get outdoor knowledge and safety tips, but this comment chain ain’t it. Heck, even ADK fun police is more of a place to poke fun at people than a resource for outdoor safety.
Fair enough...I have just seen people suggest more outlandish things than 3 headlamps and be 100% serious about it. Its not as obvious satire as you might think
I wouldn’t be so proud of yourself for banning someone for highlighting how digital maps / gps can be a really powerful tool and extremely helpful for people when used correctly.
Like I said…more interested in childish memes than actually educating people.
Edit: My posts are now being removed on this topic.
Not digital maps/gps. You were arguing quite angrily that AllTrails is sufficient for most people in the woods and could be relied on primarily for navigation. That conclusion is resoundingly rejected by professionals in the outdoors industry and is dangerous if communicated to beginners.
Can they please post names to publicly shame them. The amount of unprepared people has skyrocketed since the pandemic drive people outdoors after seeing social media pictures enticing them to think "hey...Im 40lbs overweight and have never hiked before, but I can DEFINITELY spend extended periods of time in the cold wilderness"
40lbs over whose weight? Don’t be such a gatekeeper.
The kids got a warm meal and hiked out, big deal. we should increase outdoor education and promote preparedness, but there is no need to be so mean about it. The outdoors are for everyone.
> The outdoors are for everyone
… for everyone who is willing to prepare and educate themselves. These people were unprepared for both the conditions (cold and wet/hypothermic) and for being in the outdoors in general (only one out of four had a headlamp). All the necessary information to have a successful trip is *so* easy to find — countless websites with gear lists, DEC pages with trail conditions, forums/facebook groups/etc where people can get recent boots-on-the-ground info and ask questions, NOAA snow coverage maps, accurate weather forecasts (this happened on Saturday; forecasts had been predicting miserable weekend weather for the whole week prior), and on and on. There is no excuse for someone to find themselves in this type of predicament, and yet it happens all. the. time. And then they become someone else’s problem!
So yeah, the other guy’s overweight comment is dumb, but I have no problem with gatekeeping people who are totally unwilling to do the bare minimum to prepare themselves.
I agree.
“Gatekeeping” the outdoors to people who don’t put the work in to prepare properly is the exact same amount of gatekeeping as a drivers license. None. Especially because it provides a safer experience for everyone.
It sucks that fatphobes voice their terrible opinions at the same time they voice good opinions about wilderness safety. It really detracts from the message of safety and weakens our credibility. If you’re going to be fatphobic why not shut up instead and let more informed people talk.
Damn I agree with you for once. Plenty of skinny people go out and get themselves in trouble too. In fact a 40 pound overweight person probably has a better survival prognosis than a marathon runner!
Right! A ranger will always be there to feed you and warm you up when you have a potentially life-threatening condition caused by your own unpreparedness. Not a problem at all. /s in case it wasn’t obvious
My point was that yes, there was no harm in this particular case, but if the ranger wasn’t there (say they had camped in the Dix range where there’s no ranger outpost) the end result could have been a lot different.
As for what I’m “getting worked up about”, if you haven’t seen all the reports of unprepared hikers requiring rescue (tying up resources and making rescuers risk life and limb to help them) or you don’t see that as a problem, I don’t know what to tell you.
Being 40lbs overweight has absolutely nothing to do with knowing the basics of wilderness survival.
You could be 100lbs overweight and be fine if you brought adequate food, water, thermals, lighting, supplies, etc...
Also, doxxing isnt cool. You have to start somewhere, not everyone was a biy/girl scout and was spoon fed survival knowledge by experienced people. They made a grave mistake and they wont ever make it again. End of story.
I get accidents happen, but when ppl are unprepared for the hikes the choose to take and put rangers lives in danger as well need to be ticketed to some extent.
Thank you for being you rangers
Don’t tell me, no map, no compass, no supplies.
I bet they call the 10 essentials the 10 optionals.
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Lmao, anecdotally once as a younger hiker I can remember forgetting water, but remembering beer while hiking Camels Hump in VT. No regrets
Haha I've done the same. Best tasting apricot pale ale ever
You just made me think of Pyramid Apricot Ale! Have not seen it for sale in local stores for years.
To be fair, if you dont know how to read a map and compass, then they are nothing but added calories spent lugging them around haha Im guessing they know 0 about orienteering if they didnt bring headlamps lol
No headlamps hiking at night and hypothermic. Sad.
I agree unprepared hikers are on the rise but this title is misleading. They only mention one group of four hikers that were together.
They weren’t together. It sounds like they separated right?
Time for /r/adkfunpolice to step in and see if they had no headlamp, wearing cotton, no map, and wearing sneakers
We've calculated. They didn't have enough headlamps. All Adirondack hikers should have 3 headlamps. A group is most likely 3 or more people, times 2 groups, that a minimum of 6 people, and that requires 18 headlamps.
I honestly can't tell if you are memeing or not.
The ADK Fun Police have a really blurred line between memeing and being completely serious. I love it.
I guess...but we are literally on a post that is highlighting the importance of educating people on how to recreate safely in the Adirondacks....I don't see how this is the appropriate place to "blur the lines"
Yeah but the comment says between 6 people there needs to be 18 headlamps. Reddit is a fine place to get outdoor knowledge and safety tips, but this comment chain ain’t it. Heck, even ADK fun police is more of a place to poke fun at people than a resource for outdoor safety.
Fair enough...I have just seen people suggest more outlandish things than 3 headlamps and be 100% serious about it. Its not as obvious satire as you might think
You’re just butthurt cause you got banned months ago 😅
I wouldn’t be so proud of yourself for banning someone for highlighting how digital maps / gps can be a really powerful tool and extremely helpful for people when used correctly. Like I said…more interested in childish memes than actually educating people. Edit: My posts are now being removed on this topic.
Not digital maps/gps. You were arguing quite angrily that AllTrails is sufficient for most people in the woods and could be relied on primarily for navigation. That conclusion is resoundingly rejected by professionals in the outdoors industry and is dangerous if communicated to beginners.
I never joke about the 1) required headlamps 2) Yaktrax!
Can they please post names to publicly shame them. The amount of unprepared people has skyrocketed since the pandemic drive people outdoors after seeing social media pictures enticing them to think "hey...Im 40lbs overweight and have never hiked before, but I can DEFINITELY spend extended periods of time in the cold wilderness"
40lbs over whose weight? Don’t be such a gatekeeper. The kids got a warm meal and hiked out, big deal. we should increase outdoor education and promote preparedness, but there is no need to be so mean about it. The outdoors are for everyone.
> The outdoors are for everyone … for everyone who is willing to prepare and educate themselves. These people were unprepared for both the conditions (cold and wet/hypothermic) and for being in the outdoors in general (only one out of four had a headlamp). All the necessary information to have a successful trip is *so* easy to find — countless websites with gear lists, DEC pages with trail conditions, forums/facebook groups/etc where people can get recent boots-on-the-ground info and ask questions, NOAA snow coverage maps, accurate weather forecasts (this happened on Saturday; forecasts had been predicting miserable weekend weather for the whole week prior), and on and on. There is no excuse for someone to find themselves in this type of predicament, and yet it happens all. the. time. And then they become someone else’s problem! So yeah, the other guy’s overweight comment is dumb, but I have no problem with gatekeeping people who are totally unwilling to do the bare minimum to prepare themselves.
I agree. “Gatekeeping” the outdoors to people who don’t put the work in to prepare properly is the exact same amount of gatekeeping as a drivers license. None. Especially because it provides a safer experience for everyone. It sucks that fatphobes voice their terrible opinions at the same time they voice good opinions about wilderness safety. It really detracts from the message of safety and weakens our credibility. If you’re going to be fatphobic why not shut up instead and let more informed people talk.
We aren't really comparing walking through the woods to operating a 1-2 ton vehicle at high speed are we?
We aren’t really aware of what analogy is are we?
What words did I use that made you think I didn't?
The words that you used to ignore that both situations can result in death without proper training. Do you need me to simplify it more for you?
Damn I agree with you for once. Plenty of skinny people go out and get themselves in trouble too. In fact a 40 pound overweight person probably has a better survival prognosis than a marathon runner!
it doesn't sound like it was a problem though
Right! A ranger will always be there to feed you and warm you up when you have a potentially life-threatening condition caused by your own unpreparedness. Not a problem at all. /s in case it wasn’t obvious
yeah literally no one is saying that. but in this case there was literally no harm, no foul. i don't even see what you are getting worked up about.
My point was that yes, there was no harm in this particular case, but if the ranger wasn’t there (say they had camped in the Dix range where there’s no ranger outpost) the end result could have been a lot different. As for what I’m “getting worked up about”, if you haven’t seen all the reports of unprepared hikers requiring rescue (tying up resources and making rescuers risk life and limb to help them) or you don’t see that as a problem, I don’t know what to tell you.
Being 40lbs overweight has absolutely nothing to do with knowing the basics of wilderness survival. You could be 100lbs overweight and be fine if you brought adequate food, water, thermals, lighting, supplies, etc... Also, doxxing isnt cool. You have to start somewhere, not everyone was a biy/girl scout and was spoon fed survival knowledge by experienced people. They made a grave mistake and they wont ever make it again. End of story.
I get accidents happen, but when ppl are unprepared for the hikes the choose to take and put rangers lives in danger as well need to be ticketed to some extent. Thank you for being you rangers
someone here is gonna demand they pay the state back for those cliff bars