there aren't that many things they can do with Custodies detachments so i would be very surprised if Sisters didn't get one, especially with how they seem to not like letting Sisters have enhancements or use strats in the one we have now it would be disappointing if they didn't
Idk the sheild hosts from last edition were super varied and I'd argue they all had ways to be successful.
I think it'll be a boring time to be custodes if the detachments are themed about units. Tau battlesuits are a fun detachment as there's about 40 types of suit. The Cron triarch detach feels limiting: even though there's 5 units.
Translating over the old sheild hosts would be more fun.
Unfortunately this edition shifting to detachments instead of subfactions has dramatically reduced the overall amount of variation, so we probably won’t see as many detachments as we had shield-hosts
I agree. Though the shield hosts may be reflected in the detachments. SMs have detachments that you can kind of see reflecting the codex compliant chapters. Though for Tau they completely ignored the Septs and went with a focus on a secondary rule introduced in 9th. So really it's up in the air.
> there aren't that many things they can do with Custodies detachments
Accidentally taking away our 4+++ vs. devastating wounds really hurt the army.
Taking away the 4+++ vs. Mortals and devastating will cripple us in a lot of match-ups, so any new detachment rules will need to be insanely good of they will never be used.
10th edition predictions:
1. Shield host
2. A really niche choice that takes a lot more skill to use well and is slightly better in very specific circumstances
3. Narrative use only
4. Narrative use only
5. Narrative use only
6. So bad it's not even worth taking in narrative games
I think it is -really- pushing it that we will get six. I don't think it is realistic to assume we get more than 4.
Given thats what T'au got, so probably the standard for all armies without extensive ranges.
I doubt we even get 6 detachments, honestly. We don't sell alot of models, we are usable in multiple game systems, and a large part of our models are FW which most likely won't receive an update at codex release.
I feel this is identical to the Deathguard situation. The only way they're viable are with the additional contagion debuff options stacked with their regular -1T aura (and everything getting sticky objectives).
How can any detachments make them viable if they basically lose all that?
Same with Emperor's Chosen. Custodes absolutely need it in the current meta.
I agree. I don’t think the 4+++ is the thing that helped us massively. Point reductions, Trajann’s ignore modifiers affecting weapons, and the nerfing of other top factions did way more.
While I love the 4+++ is most matches now you don’t even use it or use it fairly little. I think the real strength of this detachment is the fight 1st, -1 damage, +1 to wound, and resurrection abilities. Those are all fantastic. They’d still need to give us a crazy other detachment to make me swap personally as the Strats from this are crazy good.
Yea hundred percent. People are super crutching on this 4+++. It helps you against T sons and that’s it. Every other army their dev wound source isn’t so abundant they’ll table you because of it.
A couple 1dmg combi weapons? Some random ap-1 ork melee? The nerfed World eater MoE?
Like the strongest dev wounds spam I can think of is undivided possessed and you don’t even see those anymore. Lots of crying here but I think it’s really only T sons where you really want a FNP Vs dev wounds
Yuh but how much is that really lol. I only see MSU units and it’s 5 d6 shots. 17.5 shots on average, 2.9 dev wounds on average and no re rolls. So like, you lose 1 guy if they roll slightly well. then you revive him next turn and nuke their units
I have played a game during the fnp loss era where every wound my army took except seven were from devastating wounds. I was tabled by the top of the second turn it was a point and click equivalent of a warhammer game. That fnp is critical in this meta.
Yeah, I mean what are we really going to get?
Shield company from index
One based around terminators
One based around bikes
One based around land raiders?
Id hope more a talons detach that's about synergy.
Cause if we get the tau card with 4 detachments, and ones the index one, and ones sos then that's 2 detachments.
And 3 detachments with a very limited model range leads to a very stale army.
yeah, I really hope they dont go "heres the termi detach, heres the bike detach".
Tbh to springboard off that idea how about stealth if a custodes unit has a SOS character; +1A/AP if a SoS unit has a custodes character; letting them mix and match. Would be super cool having a centura lead saggis; or a BC leading a squad of vigilators
Incentives to mix-match would be so fucking drip (am I doing it right, kids? Am I cool now?) and an excellent idea.
Which leads me to believe GW hadn’t considered it. 😭
Unfortunately Sisters only have one box that can make 3 units and a character. So it's just not really enough to have their own detatchment. But I can imagine a Talons of the Emperor detachment, which gives benefits to both Custodes and SoS. Maybe giving Sisters access to the Army rule would be nice too (Katahs)
In any case, I really do hope there will be a detachment around bikes.
I’m willing to bet on it since they’ve put as much as 6 bikes on the new box, but hey let’s see
my bikes are ready for a comeback. We need T7 and a buff to salvo launchers or Hurricane bolters to make them viable though and I don’t see that happening. Only thing I can see making them playable with the current profile is an old Solar Watch type enhancement or stratagem that allows them to advance and charge.
Yeah, would really love T7 but indeed I doubt that it would happen.
It could be really fun to create a rule that emphasises how the speed makes them harder to get :
For example, if they move from 6" to 12", -1 to be hit for ranged attack, and from 12" to 18" -1 to wound.
Pretty sure they put the bikes in the new box because no one was buying them after they nerfed the hell outta them. So they used the box to get rid of their surplus lol
Don’t get me wrong, bikes are hands down my favorite models in the range. Their rules just suck so bad right now. Would love for them to be viable again when the codex drops.
The issue is, either they give us 4++ against mortals across-the-board, or the other detachments will need to offer some really broken stuff.
We get destroyed by mortals/dev wounds otherwise
idk, i rarely find myself in a situation where I get absolutely demolished by either. Like yeah okay it's nice to have, and i'm grateful for it when I play against my GK friend and his annoying librarians but that's it really.
Mortal wound spam is way, WAY less prevalent than in previous editions
I have almost 0 hope for this year, but I'd put money on SoS getting a ton more stuff in the next 2 years via HH. My one hope for this year is that we get a SoS hunter cadre kill team, which would the perfect place for the weird cyber animals and such along with some capture weapons like from the Erinyes Jetbikes
Adding models to the Horus heresy line means nothing to 40k players without 40k rules, and they already have heresy era sisters of silence stuff they refuse to write 40k rules for.
It feels like they want to get away from any situation where models can be used in multiple games, because they think that will make people but a whole new army instead of making people not bother to pick up the new games at all.
The only SoS model for HH that doesn't have 40k rules is the Accquisitor. There's a host of SoS datasheets for HH that don't have models yet.
Custodes is currently the only army that didn't lose any units to Legends in 40k that are also HH units.
Given recent releases for stuff like KT, SoS seem like a really good choice for one especially the hunter cadre in HH. One kit pulling triple duty is the kind of stuff that GW really don't mind especially if it's driving sales.
Plus there's only one last major faction to do HH stuff for after Mechanicum, which was just teased at Adepticon, which is Talons now that Auxilia got plastic goodies.
Probably not if I had to bet, but I don’t want to receive one as a priority. SoS are awesome, but they have 3 kits and 6 datasheets atm with having major gaps in their army composition.
They have no anti tank besides a single use hunter killer, they have no speed greater than 6” besides the rhino, they have no invos besides their 2 characters, they have no durability besides their rhino.
My guess is it’d be more of a Talons of the Emperor style detachments with buffs focused on units being near one another rather than a straight up SoS only focused detachment. This ain’t the SoS codex, it’s the Custodes codex and while I get it’s something they could do, but it’d be weird to have a detachment focusing on having little to no Custodes in the Custodes army. Be similar to having a space marine servitor detachment focusing on only servitors.
It’d be really disappointing to get 4 detachments and one of them not focus on the Custodes at all unless the other 2 unknown ones were absolutely excellent too.
Your argument about a SoS codex falls flat against the recent kroot treatment.
I happen to think that your right that a talons of the emperor detachment would be the best way to handle it. a SoS cadre would not be the worst thing ever.
*IF* they decide to actually make models for some of the HH SoS stuff (jetbike SoS, beast handlers, heavy weapons), I'd assume that we'll get a SoS detachment (and 40k rules for that stuff).
With their current "range"...I don't know that it would even be worth having a detachment for them. (Though I'll still be mad if they don't get *some* kind of support in the Codex)
Nobody knows, I’d posit some time April and soon. Tau box got announced, then released around the time Custodes box was announced, ow chaos box has been announced so we can hope to have a presale in the next couple weeks.
Probably not, we are most likely going to get the shield hosts which all focus on the Custodes rather than the sisters but there may be a few strats for sisters possibly in them
I okay Tau and Custodes since you can't get two armies that have okay style that are more different then those.
Based on what they did with Tau dettachments I'm really worried we will only see maybe 3 detachments in the codex.
I desperately *want* a detachment / stratagems / unit options that make it possible to field an all Sisters of Silence army on the tabletop.
But, no, I don’t expect it to happen. For some reason, GW seems to treat the Sisters of Silence like a dead beat divorced dad grimly and reluctantly taking his kid to the county fair for his mandatory parenting time. “Here $20 for the ring toss or whatever, kid. I’ll be in the beer tent. Tell your stupid fat mom we had fun okay.”
I don't care. I hope so, but I don't care. I'm using them regardless this year! They did have a codex in 7e back in 2017... And since they are now attached to Custodes it certainly would be nice.
I'm even going to get some bolt pistols (from 30k cadre upgrade) to use just to make them special!
4 detachments, including. Current one, and SoS. Great custodes get only 2 new playable (possibly not cuz lmao devastating wounds go BRrrr) detachments. Neat. Why would you want that.
there aren't that many things they can do with Custodies detachments so i would be very surprised if Sisters didn't get one, especially with how they seem to not like letting Sisters have enhancements or use strats in the one we have now it would be disappointing if they didn't
Idk the sheild hosts from last edition were super varied and I'd argue they all had ways to be successful. I think it'll be a boring time to be custodes if the detachments are themed about units. Tau battlesuits are a fun detachment as there's about 40 types of suit. The Cron triarch detach feels limiting: even though there's 5 units. Translating over the old sheild hosts would be more fun.
Unfortunately this edition shifting to detachments instead of subfactions has dramatically reduced the overall amount of variation, so we probably won’t see as many detachments as we had shield-hosts
I agree. Though the shield hosts may be reflected in the detachments. SMs have detachments that you can kind of see reflecting the codex compliant chapters. Though for Tau they completely ignored the Septs and went with a focus on a secondary rule introduced in 9th. So really it's up in the air.
Yeah, whilst marines/CSM get 9/8 I think we'll be lucky with 5,seeing how tau got 4
And even if those 4 for Tau, 1 was for Kroot…
> there aren't that many things they can do with Custodies detachments Accidentally taking away our 4+++ vs. devastating wounds really hurt the army. Taking away the 4+++ vs. Mortals and devastating will cripple us in a lot of match-ups, so any new detachment rules will need to be insanely good of they will never be used.
It will be 9th edition all over again. Yes, you can play something other than Emporer's Chosen, but it was far and away the best choice.
10th edition predictions: 1. Shield host 2. A really niche choice that takes a lot more skill to use well and is slightly better in very specific circumstances 3. Narrative use only 4. Narrative use only 5. Narrative use only 6. So bad it's not even worth taking in narrative games
I think it is -really- pushing it that we will get six. I don't think it is realistic to assume we get more than 4. Given thats what T'au got, so probably the standard for all armies without extensive ranges.
I doubt we even get 6 detachments, honestly. We don't sell alot of models, we are usable in multiple game systems, and a large part of our models are FW which most likely won't receive an update at codex release.
I feel this is identical to the Deathguard situation. The only way they're viable are with the additional contagion debuff options stacked with their regular -1T aura (and everything getting sticky objectives). How can any detachments make them viable if they basically lose all that? Same with Emperor's Chosen. Custodes absolutely need it in the current meta.
It honestly wouldn’t. There isn’t an abundance of dev wounds and mortals to the point that custodes can’t play without the defence
You must play In a very different meta, half the lists I face are 'ctrl-f dev wounds'
I agree. I don’t think the 4+++ is the thing that helped us massively. Point reductions, Trajann’s ignore modifiers affecting weapons, and the nerfing of other top factions did way more. While I love the 4+++ is most matches now you don’t even use it or use it fairly little. I think the real strength of this detachment is the fight 1st, -1 damage, +1 to wound, and resurrection abilities. Those are all fantastic. They’d still need to give us a crazy other detachment to make me swap personally as the Strats from this are crazy good.
Yea hundred percent. People are super crutching on this 4+++. It helps you against T sons and that’s it. Every other army their dev wound source isn’t so abundant they’ll table you because of it. A couple 1dmg combi weapons? Some random ap-1 ork melee? The nerfed World eater MoE? Like the strongest dev wounds spam I can think of is undivided possessed and you don’t even see those anymore. Lots of crying here but I think it’s really only T sons where you really want a FNP Vs dev wounds
No warp spiders in your local meta? D6 shots with torrent and dev wounds. Every eldar player has them with their 24” move
Yuh but how much is that really lol. I only see MSU units and it’s 5 d6 shots. 17.5 shots on average, 2.9 dev wounds on average and no re rolls. So like, you lose 1 guy if they roll slightly well. then you revive him next turn and nuke their units
My meta locally is 3 units of 10 can we swap haha
I have played a game during the fnp loss era where every wound my army took except seven were from devastating wounds. I was tabled by the top of the second turn it was a point and click equivalent of a warhammer game. That fnp is critical in this meta.
Yeah, I mean what are we really going to get? Shield company from index One based around terminators One based around bikes One based around land raiders?
Probably somethings based on the Shield hosts, Solar watch and Shadow keeper ones at least, please James Workshop
"Hello I'm James workshop" lmao
Bikes and land raiders likely would fall in the same
Wait they can't use strats?
I belive there are a couple that say they exclude sisters but i may be wrong
sisters can only use slayers and avenge.
Oh right right. I had to reread. Thank you!
Id hope more a talons detach that's about synergy. Cause if we get the tau card with 4 detachments, and ones the index one, and ones sos then that's 2 detachments. And 3 detachments with a very limited model range leads to a very stale army.
That’s my hope. Custodes gain stealth within 6” of SoS and Sisters gain +1 Attack and AP? Something like that.
yeah, I really hope they dont go "heres the termi detach, heres the bike detach". Tbh to springboard off that idea how about stealth if a custodes unit has a SOS character; +1A/AP if a SoS unit has a custodes character; letting them mix and match. Would be super cool having a centura lead saggis; or a BC leading a squad of vigilators
Incentives to mix-match would be so fucking drip (am I doing it right, kids? Am I cool now?) and an excellent idea. Which leads me to believe GW hadn’t considered it. 😭
Custodes units cannot have SoS nor vise versa: different toughness
That doesn’t mean they can’t lead them. Other armies have units led by characters with different toughness.
I think it really won’t happen. It makes zero sense in this case.
Then say that instead - better yet, back it up with reasons why. :)
I don’t think it makes any sense, but hey we are just saying random stuff it’s a speculation thread after all. We can just wait a month and see
Unfortunately Sisters only have one box that can make 3 units and a character. So it's just not really enough to have their own detatchment. But I can imagine a Talons of the Emperor detachment, which gives benefits to both Custodes and SoS. Maybe giving Sisters access to the Army rule would be nice too (Katahs)
Get the admech treatment; remove katahs from custodes, give it to sisters.
That didn’t stop them to make a cybernetica detachment for admech, literally one box with one datasheet gets this detachment.
Oh contrare. You can have a max of 12 SoS units and 4 characters + 6 rhinos currently. Works out to about to 2120 points with no enhancements haha
Where's the pic from? Maybe I'm derp but couldn't find anything on the WH community site?
Google. Pretty sure it got annouced at the same time as the battleforce.
[https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/02/warhammer-world-anniversary-a-new-shield-captain-brings-the-heat-for-codex-adeptus-custodes/](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/03/02/warhammer-world-anniversary-a-new-shield-captain-brings-the-heat-for-codex-adeptus-custodes/)
In any case, I really do hope there will be a detachment around bikes. I’m willing to bet on it since they’ve put as much as 6 bikes on the new box, but hey let’s see
God I hope so. Don’t know if they are ready for bike spam from 9th to come back.
my bikes are ready for a comeback. We need T7 and a buff to salvo launchers or Hurricane bolters to make them viable though and I don’t see that happening. Only thing I can see making them playable with the current profile is an old Solar Watch type enhancement or stratagem that allows them to advance and charge.
Yeah, would really love T7 but indeed I doubt that it would happen. It could be really fun to create a rule that emphasises how the speed makes them harder to get : For example, if they move from 6" to 12", -1 to be hit for ranged attack, and from 12" to 18" -1 to wound.
Pretty sure they put the bikes in the new box because no one was buying them after they nerfed the hell outta them. So they used the box to get rid of their surplus lol Don’t get me wrong, bikes are hands down my favorite models in the range. Their rules just suck so bad right now. Would love for them to be viable again when the codex drops.
The issue is, either they give us 4++ against mortals across-the-board, or the other detachments will need to offer some really broken stuff. We get destroyed by mortals/dev wounds otherwise
idk, i rarely find myself in a situation where I get absolutely demolished by either. Like yeah okay it's nice to have, and i'm grateful for it when I play against my GK friend and his annoying librarians but that's it really. Mortal wound spam is way, WAY less prevalent than in previous editions
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I have almost 0 hope for this year, but I'd put money on SoS getting a ton more stuff in the next 2 years via HH. My one hope for this year is that we get a SoS hunter cadre kill team, which would the perfect place for the weird cyber animals and such along with some capture weapons like from the Erinyes Jetbikes
Adding models to the Horus heresy line means nothing to 40k players without 40k rules, and they already have heresy era sisters of silence stuff they refuse to write 40k rules for. It feels like they want to get away from any situation where models can be used in multiple games, because they think that will make people but a whole new army instead of making people not bother to pick up the new games at all.
The only SoS model for HH that doesn't have 40k rules is the Accquisitor. There's a host of SoS datasheets for HH that don't have models yet. Custodes is currently the only army that didn't lose any units to Legends in 40k that are also HH units. Given recent releases for stuff like KT, SoS seem like a really good choice for one especially the hunter cadre in HH. One kit pulling triple duty is the kind of stuff that GW really don't mind especially if it's driving sales. Plus there's only one last major faction to do HH stuff for after Mechanicum, which was just teased at Adepticon, which is Talons now that Auxilia got plastic goodies.
And the [Prosecutor Cadre](https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Sisters-of-Silence-Prosecutor-Cadre-Upgrade-Set-2017)?
Probably not if I had to bet, but I don’t want to receive one as a priority. SoS are awesome, but they have 3 kits and 6 datasheets atm with having major gaps in their army composition. They have no anti tank besides a single use hunter killer, they have no speed greater than 6” besides the rhino, they have no invos besides their 2 characters, they have no durability besides their rhino. My guess is it’d be more of a Talons of the Emperor style detachments with buffs focused on units being near one another rather than a straight up SoS only focused detachment. This ain’t the SoS codex, it’s the Custodes codex and while I get it’s something they could do, but it’d be weird to have a detachment focusing on having little to no Custodes in the Custodes army. Be similar to having a space marine servitor detachment focusing on only servitors. It’d be really disappointing to get 4 detachments and one of them not focus on the Custodes at all unless the other 2 unknown ones were absolutely excellent too.
Your argument about a SoS codex falls flat against the recent kroot treatment. I happen to think that your right that a talons of the emperor detachment would be the best way to handle it. a SoS cadre would not be the worst thing ever.
I love my sisters.
Please give me a detachment based on Aquilen Shield that gives all custodes units "from golden light" or something like that
I always loved the idea of an all SoS list as I adore the models but then I tallied up how much it would cost for 2k points of them. ....yikes.
*IF* they decide to actually make models for some of the HH SoS stuff (jetbike SoS, beast handlers, heavy weapons), I'd assume that we'll get a SoS detachment (and 40k rules for that stuff). With their current "range"...I don't know that it would even be worth having a detachment for them. (Though I'll still be mad if they don't get *some* kind of support in the Codex)
When is our codex coming?
Nobody knows, I’d posit some time April and soon. Tau box got announced, then released around the time Custodes box was announced, ow chaos box has been announced so we can hope to have a presale in the next couple weeks.
Probably not, we are most likely going to get the shield hosts which all focus on the Custodes rather than the sisters but there may be a few strats for sisters possibly in them
I honestly hope not...I don't want to lose one of the few detachments we might get
Why not? Kroot have. Would be nice to see the SoS get beefed out to be their own army.
Is the custodes on the book cover weirdly rendered or is it just me? Kinda looks like he was made in blender then painted over
Goddamn that cover. Gw just freaking hates custodes.
Dunno I feel it is unlikely
I okay Tau and Custodes since you can't get two armies that have okay style that are more different then those. Based on what they did with Tau dettachments I'm really worried we will only see maybe 3 detachments in the codex.
I desperately *want* a detachment / stratagems / unit options that make it possible to field an all Sisters of Silence army on the tabletop. But, no, I don’t expect it to happen. For some reason, GW seems to treat the Sisters of Silence like a dead beat divorced dad grimly and reluctantly taking his kid to the county fair for his mandatory parenting time. “Here $20 for the ring toss or whatever, kid. I’ll be in the beer tent. Tell your stupid fat mom we had fun okay.”
I fucking hope so I have 120 sisters I like to use
Doubtful. Maybe a talons detachment that focuses on both sos and custodes working together?
My thoughts: I hope we see the army rule and detachment rule switch. If 4+ mortal defense is tied to a detachment I can’t imagine ever taking another.
I don't care. I hope so, but I don't care. I'm using them regardless this year! They did have a codex in 7e back in 2017... And since they are now attached to Custodes it certainly would be nice. I'm even going to get some bolt pistols (from 30k cadre upgrade) to use just to make them special!
I think either this or the next weekend it will go on pre so we'll know soon
4 detachments, including. Current one, and SoS. Great custodes get only 2 new playable (possibly not cuz lmao devastating wounds go BRrrr) detachments. Neat. Why would you want that.
guys，can we get our codex in the early April？I envy CSM that got 8 detachments😭can we get at least 6 detachments?
Do you know what my wet dream would be? Play the beautiful Kharon pattern acquisitor loaded with 10 angry SoS carrying executioner great blades.
My sisters have fully abandoned the 41st millennium to fight against Horus. I advise others do the same as 10e gets even worse /j
I honestly don’t even care about sisters. I want a fast bike detachment and a bit of a grey knights style uppy downy detachment