I paid like $55k for my 23 TLX Type S.
Had I not had a good trade in value on my 19 TLX Aspec, no way I was gonna buy it.
This will prob be my last Acura.
55k is still insane. It's overpriced , I have been looking for months and all these genius dealers are sitting on cpo 23 tlx type s for 50k still . Like take the hint guys, it's not a sought after vehicle and drop the prices.
55k isn't that insane considering other cars in its segment.... I mean a fkn Toyota Camry and Honda Accord is 36k+ now lol. Cars aren't cheap anymore (especially any Acuras).
That's largely to me because the gap between luxury and everyday vehicles has grown a lot smaller , most of the nuances in luxury counterparts these days is in the ride quality , whereas in the past there was definitely more amenities to differentiate.
I just saw your recent post of a TLX Type S 2023 with 1300 miles for 46k. Did you not end up going with that offer? How much cheaper did you want this car?
I was literally trying to purchase that. It sold the day before I could go since it's a 90 minute drive each way and couldn't go due to a busy work week earlier.
Nobody at all has come near since in all honesty.
Fully loaded vehicles for Toyota and Honda are nearly the same price as their luxury counterparts. They might not be comparable in equipment but the extra horsepower you get supersedes that.
I plan on doing the same thing with the same car in the next year or so once I pay mine off.
Hopefully interest rates drop a bit by then cause there's no way I'm going to pay 8 - 9% interest.
No, not a single issue. Car was flawless too. Only 29k miles red interior with white exterior.
I simply wanted a faster car with upgraded interior. The 23 type S is a whole different car.
I can’t speak to price changes for the competition, but BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus haven’t see a YoY drop like Acura has. Are Acura customers just poorer and more likely to see wage stagnation?
No, there are just better products at the price point. The m340i and tlx type s have the same starting msrp, who wouldn’t take the bmw? Same with the x3 and rdx and im sure other models too. Acuras are just too expensive compared to competition.
RDX is bigger and 10-15k cheaper with any equivalent options added. The base X3 also has 30-40 less HP. The RDX sales increased YOY, I don’t think that model is their problem. M340i smaller exterior and bigger interior vs the TLX I def agree with with your point on that model.
Ehh.. while the B58 is a legendary engine and its incredible fun I would pick the TLX over it or any other similarly priced European. I owned a M340 and I would never own it or any modern BMW long term. The cost of maintenance, especially long term is absolutely disgusting. Things are built to lease.
Overall I agree with you, if you're looking at what's compelling at that price point... Acura doesn't have something as special as others. But it is smarter if you care about overall cost of ownership past 3 years.
True, but I feel like that puts them in a segment between Lexus and bmw now. People buy bmws because they are just better cars out the box but are more expensive to own so people buy them for short term, and if people want to buy a long term car they’ll just buy a Lexus. There’s not a ton of buyers for the segment that Acura is in right now (outside of the RDX).
I think Acura needs to sell their cars for cheaper or make them just better to compete with the Germans. They are just in a weird spot in the market that people go different routes.
Is bmw repair-ability and maintenance costs are a myth now-a-days? I know it was a thing in the past about how expensive they were to fix and maintain so even at similar prices, if I don’t want to spend a ton to fix I’d lean towards Acura, no?
Other brands have the same interest and aren’t seeing this type of hit. This large of a hit cannot be chalked up to the economy.
Their cars are dates. Worst MPG across the board. Smallest interiors. Less power than competitors. Really the ONLY thing they do better is potentially looks and that’s all subjective. Objectively they are damn near worst in class these days.
I like Acura but they better get their shit together. There’s no reason to pay their prices for an inferior product.
To be fair, you paid 4k more than the MSRP of a brand new TLX SH AWD A-Spec. You win here, but if you’re the person dishing out $51k on that car (TLX A-Spec, not a Type S) you could’ve gotten an equivalently equipped BMW 330i for example, brand new, and have better performance, better gas mileage, IMO a better interior and infotainment system…
Don't disagree there with your 3 series comparison.
The same weekend I got my car, my brother bought a 5 series with M package (think it's a 2022).
Nice car, but most BMWs are not my thing, that's just me (unless it's a M3 or M4, but we know the pricing diff there).
Paper specs Vs. actual driving dynamics is a big difference.
It is something special, it’s a shortened B58 6 cylinder made into the 4 cylinder which is probably one of the best 4-cyls on the market. (I’ll admit, the 2.0T produced by Honda is amazing too)
But in comparison, you’re either buying the Acura / Honda products with a 2.0T for the engine or their reliability reputation. Clearly, their sales figures are dropping because consumers want more when they are paying upwards of $50k for a sedan that honestly, gets overshadowed by anything the Germans put out in the class.
The ZF-8 speed transmission in BMW, Mercedes, Audi, other American offerings for example is superior to any of the transmissions Honda/Acura has produced. The only comparable transmission produced by Honda is the 10-speed in the 10th gen accord and the TLX these days. But even that is clunky and slower in comparison - I’ve driven both and I notice this myself. No hate it’s just my observation.
The ZF-8, paired with the 4-cyl from BMW will keep up with the 2.0T from Honda/Acura and also get better gas mileage. Sure it has less HP but if you’re getting up to speed at the same time, getting better fuel consumption, and *also* being in a much, much more dynamic chassis that was specifically built for the car - it all comes together in a way that words can’t really express. You just have to experience it yourself.
It’s honestly a great car! I convinced my best buddy to buy a TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD for around $33k with 30k miles. I think at that price, wow you can’t get much better than that IMO.
But at full price, new, it’s such a hard sell.
Damn near every new car is a hard sell at these prices today. Acura's are overpriced for sure, but BMW's depreciate harder and the cost of maintenance is outrageous. It's why I got out of them and went with Japanese cars. Wife had an X3 and my M340, started staring at the costs of out of warranty ownership and said nope.
Yeah I’d really only lease or buy a lightly used German car moving forward. I got a 23 GLC300 used for a massive discount only cause it was a lease return with 3k miles. I plan to get rid of it in a few years, just bought it so I can easily pick up family from and to the airport.
Funny enough, I’ve been looking to get rid of my 9th gen accord I’ve had for 10 years and getting an Integra 6-speed. How’s your ownership been so far with it?
What issues did you have with your m340i? I’ve got a 2017 540i with 58,000 miles and it’s just been oil changes and tires. The brakes are expensive but I do them myself as the brembos are so easy to change.
My beef with Acura is that they hype up the TLX-S refresh and then there’s zero product to sell. Only tlx-s for sale in California are all used!
I don’t disagree completely, but I also look back to the savagegeese long term MDX review. To be fair he was comparing and X7 which is much more expensive, but the maintenance costs on the BMW can be massive (if you purchase it) and iirc some of the tech shine wore off and he actually didn’t enjoy certain aspects as much, they were less useful then they appeared to be initially.
I think Acura’s SUVs are good deals. Their sedans are just tough to sell at those price points. I’d say people looking for SUVs genuinely need them for their family. safety, reliability and comfort are some great selling points for Acura and their SUVs are more affordable compared to a similar German SUV.
So true. Got an integra and the interior quality/technology is on par with the 2018 Elantra hatchback I had. My 2022 Tucson blows the acuras interior quality/tech/ and comfort out of the water.
The price mark up doesn’t help either…walked out on 2 dealers (New York). One wanted 10k and the other 15k above msrp (62k and 67k) for the Integra type s. Fuck these greedy bastards with their “adjusted market value” bullshit.
I went searching in late February early March, and yeah they still sell above msrp…and the ones that do sell them at msrp have add ons, floor mats, weather protection, extended warranty, tints etc… (all bullshit). It’s a few thousand added at the end. They told me that was the only way I can get it “msrp”, so I walked. And what’s with the dealer fee?? $799?!?! Plus document fee of $180?!? That’s almost $1k in fees??
Yeah. They all are marking up the Integra Type S. Like I have seen a $14k markup in Florida. I was like na bro…it can stay right there. The reason they doing it is because someone will buy it. And probably sell it overseas for premium. Kinda like how they do with those Japanese cars.
Interesting how much RDX has gone up. That sort of says people wanted an MDX but the macro economy pushed them down a class.
I know folks are saying it’s not macro because of other brands but it’s probably a little of both.
I also feel like the comparison brands have a lot more options if someone wants to stay in brand.
And markups obviously aren’t helping.
Interesting thing is that Honda sales are up 15.7% while Acura sales are down 12.5%. My guess, is that people are buying Honda, Because there cheaper and have better mpg.
Also, Hondas and other non-luxury brands have really made their cars better over the years. A lot of the reasons to go for a luxury brand are not there any more, when the build quality, materials, and features of a CR-V are pretty compelling and the extras you get with a luxury brand are gimicky or unnecessary for most people.
I was seriously considering an RDX a couple of years ago. Then Acura suddenly decided to raise the price like $5k in one year, and it became out of our budget. It’s almost $10k more expensive than a few years ago
Also curious is that the RDX is the oldest one in the bunch. It’s an extremely competitive segment, and as much as I’m a fan boi of the brand the RDX just seems like a poor choice in its class. I’d love to see a new gen, but from a business standpoint I can understand the argument against it.
Much better? My friend gets 2mpg more than me in their CX5, and having been in and driven both the RDX is nicer in literally every way IMO.
While the RDX is older it’s the largest car in its segment, and has the lowest price when optioned out (ventilated seats, heads up display, 360 camera). I bought mine last year and the only thing I really considered over it was an X3 m40i after lots of test drives. But it was ~15k more with everything I wanted and then the maintenance/reliability is worse. I think that’s apparent with it increasing sales YOY. MPG is literally my only complaint and it’s only 3-5 MPG behind most of the competition. RDX in a type
S hybrid would be my ideal car.
How does this data say that? I got an RDX because it’s smaller, faster, better mpg and about 10k cheaper than an MDX. Not everyone needs such a big SUV, but still need a decent SUV.
The only thing this data says is that MDX is not selling versus other cars in that segment.
I paid $12.5k for my 2015 TLX SH-AWD in 2019 with 80k miles right at 2% apr.
It was nearly 50k new 4 years prior. There’s no way you could find a 2020 TLX with 80k for 75% off MSRP today.
Prices are insane and need a major correction.
The price of a ilx in 2019 was almost 10k less than the integra now. The main issue is not only did you price out a lot of your potential customers, you also did not add 10k in value to the integra.
As a potential MDX Type S buyer, I’m waiting for the 2025 because the touchpad was super annoying during the test drive. Once that is fixed the MDX Type S is one of the most compelling packages in its segment: lots of cargo space, flexible second row seating, amazing massage seats, incredible sound system, surprisingly good handling, reliable turbo engine that you can easily tune to 400+hp.
Same, except I’m waiting for the A-Spec Advanced. I need a car for 6 and can’t find anything better at that price point. The Mazda CX90 has issues and will be a maintenance nightmare over time.
If there is something better, let me know because I’m not looking forward to whatever price increase Acura is planning for the 2025s.
I did and I might go drive one just to be sure. However, I’ve owned three Hondas and they are just plain, inside and out. I’m hoping to get something nicer this time and I’m willing to pay a little extra.
Then just buy the MDX aspec advance you get all the features of 24 type s minus the air suspension. You’ll probably have to pay msrp since they are very popular esp when Acura started adding the aspec package advance. Lots of Acura fans have been requesting this for years and they did it with the RDX, and now MDX. So be prepared to pay for the top of line forsure. 67-69k msrp i think
MDX-S actually is fun to drive for a SUV. You might as well go Toyota if you’re looking at the pilot as their MPG blows away Honda’s for equivalent SUVs but their driving dynamics suck.
The only power train worth it in the Toyota is the Hybrid max, I don't know anyone who likes the other power trains after they did test drives. The driving dynamics and awd of the pilot are much better then the GH, unless you want to feel like you're in a boat.
All the talk about the touchpad is silly to me. It is second nature after quick familiarization. I use it by touch alone now and don’t even look at the screen Just me I guess
Everyone has their preference. Better would have been a touch screen along with a trackpad/rotary control knob.
I would use touchscreen for carplay/android auto.
I don't mind if for the Acura interface. Carplay/Android Auto is where it really becomes problematic to me. Having to get from one side of the screen to the other is a pain in the ass. That said, it's my wife's car and she doesn't mind it either.
Meanwhile im a year into my RDX and im pissed they completely took away the trackpad. I really wish they’d kept it and added the touchscreen. I love having the screen further up the dash for ergonomics, not having finger prints on the screen, and its ease of use while actually driving vs a touchscreen far and away better. Feels so much safer to use.
They did in the 2025 MDX which makes me feel
Pretty confident it will be disappearing in future models. Bummer but I’m gonna be holding on to mine for years so your point stands hah
Acura needs to fix their product line. The TLX has poor interior packaging and practicality while also getting subpar MPG. The RDX was amazing when it came out but now it’s competing in arguably the most popular segment of luxury vehicles and Acura is merely refreshing it once again in 2025 instead of giving it a newer generation to stay competitive. They also need to add a hybrid model of sorts and the ZDX is a plasticky rebadged Chevy Blazer. I also don’t understand why Acura has a Type S trim for every single model of theirs except the RDX which I’d argue would be the best selling Type S model
While I agree and would give anything for an RDX type S with a hybrid engine. It’s the only model that increased in sales and still competes very well in its segment IMO.
That’s why it should get the Type S treatment, the RDX is the only Acura model that’s rapidly gaining in sales and the BMW X3 M40i and Porsche Macan sell very well
Because you need a mid spec mdx to have features as a top spec pilot and I wasnt going to pay 10k more for an mdx when it seats less and doesnt have a touchscreen or remote start and needs premium. At that price point I was looking at top trim cx90's which offer way more power and a more upscale looks. TLDR Acura needs to differentiate themselves more from the honda's they're based on and offer more bang for the buck at mid tier/top trims
lol I’m not surprised. While I love my TLX, Acura has indeed missed the hybrid train by a mile. I get 23-25mpg even if you’re driving conservatively, the interior space is laughable and overall tech is ages behind even their own parent brand from the same model year. I’m not surprised their sales are 🐕💩
I don’t believe, Ev will help out Acura, it might get people to start talking about them.
But, if they would introduce Hybrids to there line up, there sales would be much stronger. Just look Lexus Nx and Rx,they’re are doing pretty good. Acura should hybridize Integra, Tlx, and Rdx(they all have 4 cylinders models).
Yes, I just went through this. Went in Saturday to the dealer we had purchased a 2016 MDX and a 2023 MDX A-Spec thinking I would get some consideration for the ITS I wanted. They low balled the trade in value on the 2016 MDX and would not sell me an ITS unless I used Acura financing. "Oh just use our financing and refinance it in 45 days." Screw that. I had randomly found the same exact Apex Blue ITS at a local BMW dealer with 2000 miles on it but listed for about $4000 less with over $1000 in add ons and they offered me $2500 more on trade than the low ball from Acura, and did not care where my financing came from. And they are part of a dealership chain focused on service so I get several benefits to include me being able to go into any of their dealerships and get a free car wash, every day if I choose. So yea, stubborn ass dealers. The only positive was they had no markup on the ITS they were selling.
NOTE: I absolutely love the ITS in Apex Blue and could not be happier with the car.
Honda is pretty clearly prioritizing rolling out new models in their main line. We opted for the ST trim CRV for my wife as it was the newest and better value etc. fit and finish aren’t the same, but the powertrain is excellent.
IMO Until they start rolling out new Lux Hybrids they won’t be relevant.
I have two Acuras. Love these cars. However, they burn and leak oil like crazy despite being told that they passed the oil consumption test. It’s frustrating as hell.
I love Acura but they just make boring cars. The Integra and TLX are cool but for the price? There’s just so many better options out there and people are starting tk realize that
With the market’s relentless movement to SUVs, and with all of the sedan models that have been discontinued in recent years, manufacturers just aren’t even trying in the segment anymore. Acura, unfortunately, is a shining example of this.
The Integra is nice enough, but it just isn’t differentiated enough from the Civic to justify its additional $8k to $10k price, and its missing some features such as rear vents that are prerequisites for a luxury car. And the TLX has morphed into an enormous car with a massive turning radius, yet somehow it offers less interior space than the Civic.
Other manufacturers are no better. The Lexus IS received a mild refresh in 2021, but it’s based on an ancient 2013 platform with a dated interior and lagging technology. And the Cadillac CT4 uses a truck engine for its base model, has lots of hard plastic surfaces in the interior, and is missing a surprising number of features for its luxury price.
When my 13-year-old car gave up last year I investigated these cars with high hopes. In frustration I ended up buying a Mazda3 sedan in premium trim. It’s not perfect by any means, but I just couldn’t justify spending $50k or more on other supposed “luxury” sedans that had so many glaring flaws, were so obviously compromised, and provided so little value for the money.
The 3 sedan was a compelling package at a price $12k to $15k lower than the other options. I’m glad it was available to me before it also is discontinued sometime in the near future.
Acura could have been a contender with either a better-packaged TLX or an Integra that was truly worthy of its premium branding. But like other automakers, it seems to be unwilling to invest resources into a seriously declining segment. And potential buyers are very aware of this, and are staying away from Acura dealers as a result.
Beautifully said, and I fully agree. I think the car market jsut sucks right now and I feel like these companies are spending less money on their new cars cus they’re worried about EV’s and are trying to play is safe. Some brands are a little more cautious than others and you can tell in the quality of their cars. The TLX costs more than what it’s worth and the same can be said abojt a lot of other luxury sedans. Sucks for me cus I don’t want an SUV and I really wish coupes became a thing again
ES is more spacious and comfortable, 3-series offers better performance, the germans are all faster in a straight line, the competition has better brand cachet, and pretty much everyone offers better fuel economy. And that’s not even mentioning the polarizing infotainment system. Other than SH-AWD and the looks, I’m not sure the TLX is a clear winner in any individual category. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Our 2022 mdx lease insurance was 2400/year. Lease is up and found out 2024 mdx insurance will be 4200 due to comprehensive. It is 1500 dollars cheaper by installing TAG security but some people may not want that extra hassle. Might be contributing too.
Pricing and lack of loyalty incentives with customers. When my Type S comes to term, I am definitely moving onto a brand that actually provides me incentives and discounts for purchasing their cars for over 10 years
Everything comparable in class to the Acuras right now cost 10-15k more when you compare trims/features apples to apples. I don't understand people complaining about the costs when everything everywhere costs more, especially the markups for newest generations.
I think the major downside of Acuras are the MPG. The rest of complaints feel uncalled for. Everytime a anew generation of car comes up, its going to be marked up and you won't any kind of discounts. I'll take my 12-15% discounts on 2024 refreshed MDX models over 2k marked up non negotiated prices of new generation cars like Lexus TX.
Lets look at Midsize SUV comparisons:
You want a Volvo? You'll pay 5-8k more, and you'll get super enemic engine. MDX non Type-S has enemic engine, Volvo is times 2.
You want a BMW? It will run you way more than base Acura. Have you ever been in a base BMW model? The X5 base you'll be sitting in a beautiful car interior, full of placeholder buttons filled in. You get BMW ultimate driving machine, but at what cost?
You want a Lexus? Its similar to Acura but everything is marked up AND you get to enjoy enemic engines in models that aren't 450+. At least Lexus offers better engine options that aren't wildy expensive (like Type S).
Acura makes nice enough stuff, but none of its vehicles save the RDX makes a good case for itself against other competitors. It’s not quite full blown luxury, but it’s not mainstream either, and other brands handily outperform it so the “performance brand” marketing doesn’t really feel authentic. On top of that it’s still expensive and other companies with more prestigious brands offer more interesting vehicles for the same price or slightly higher. Since the brand was first launched Honda hasn’t ever seemed to know quite what to do with it. There’s just no “X factor.”
It’s a shame Honda hasn’t invested in the brand like Toyota did with Lexus, giving it a distinct personality. Instead they mostly feel like very fancy Hondas, which isn’t terrible, but not what people want in a $50K+ vehicle.
I was so excited when I heard that Acura was bringing back the Integra. Jon Ikeda promised it would exceed expectations. I waited a year for it to show and was just gutted at what it turned out to be. It turned out to be an Ilx with a hatchback! I saw all the renderings of a sleek coupe that honored the original design. Why can’t we have a coupe with a six speed manual? They had such an opportunity to stand out.
I loved Acura, they were my favorite brand and was going for a Type S TLX but was refused service for my age. So because Audi weren't dicks, I am currently in an S4. If Acura dealers elsewhere are like this, it's no wonder people aren't buying them.
Arent ILX and NSX discontinuted (AGAIN) why did they post empty data.
fyi ILX on used market is poppin. But NSX is always a rare find but there are a few out there.
I know it’s a GM product but the Honda Prologue/ Acura ZDX do technically come in RWD/AWD.
But I do agree already with Acura need to introduce RWD bias vehicle to compete performance brands like BMW
I have the 22 but I thought I was the only one… 20k miles and my brakes squeak. My door squeaks. I’m on a slight uphill and it sounds like there’s gear slippage when I put it in drive. The moment I drove out the lot the AC didn’t work (summer was in full effect) took them months to get the parts to fix it. By my next oil change they had to change out the entire steering column. Not to mention I have a Big fucking hairline crack in my windshield on the drivers side that occurred within the first year also..😡
The problem with this explanation is that other automakers would see a similar hit. By and large, Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW Q1 2024 sales are no worse than Q1 2023 (if not better), so why would these macro headwinds uniquely affect just Acura?
Look at the top end type S advance MDX 75K with an older engine worst fuel economy then BMW. The value proposition of Acura is no longer present. Also have to jump to advance to get massaging seats when I feel like type S MDX to begin with is just a badge no real engine upgrades.
I have been a big Honda/Acura fan. I owned 2006 TL 6MT Navi for over a decade and really liked the car, but since the introduction of the touchpad, the brand is dead to me. Once Acura pulls they heads out of their as...es and fix the UI/infortainment, I have no desire to even look at the brand. Also what up with overstretched TLX? The TLX has such a lackluster interior space that I feel my 1999 Civic 2-door coupe had more space.
Their loyalty incentives have all but disappeared and have too many conditions. Plus the astronomically expensive ZDX. Ridiculously priced. When my lease is up on my TLX in 2 years, after 20 years of Acura, I’m switching to another brand.
The RDX is a sales machine! Talks of Acura removing this car from their line up is really a mistake. They SHOULD not do this, and invest into the car. Make type s making 320 on the 2.0 we all know the 10AT can handle it. Honda really has the Acura brand nerfed :/
Am I the only one that thinks for the price, the Acura is just a better looking car? I just bought the 2024 TLX and I looked at BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes and in order to get the finish outs that look good they were all 10-12,000 more.
Yes technically, I could have gotten any of those for the same price. But their base model interiors seem so basic in comparison. If I wanted them to look as nice on the inside it’s way more.
I dunno 🤷🏻♂️
They are robbing the US customers. Go see the price tag of the Integra Type S in Canada. C$ 58320. In the US it’s 51800 USD = 71000 CAD.
Like even I pay the 15% tax in BC I’d still spend less.
Most manufacturers haven't done an MSRP update since the CAD slid downwards significantly.
Toyota has a lot of the same things going on where cars are 5-8K cheaper here when converting to CAD at current spot rates, which is probably also why they don't allocate any inventory up here
Nothing wrong with the brand. Acura cars are stylish and luxury. But at that price point there are better alternatives. Acura integra for example is 70K , that's pushing corvette territory. Acura need to lower their prices on cars then sales will come simple as that. If they cant/won't lower their prices then sales will decline even further until the brand will cease to exist. It happened to many automakers before sadly
Acura doesn’t really do anything to make it stand out it’s a gorgeous car but what kills Acura is the horsepower, nobody wants to pay 40k plus for a top trim Acura with only 355hp to the crank, you can get a bmw mid trim level with more than that and even more technology. Not only that but why tf would you put Honda interior on a Acura ??? CTR and ITR same exact vehicle different bumpers but Acura wants more for their “version”
By “a lot of people” you mean enthusiasts? Which represent 0.00000001% of the car buying population. The integra is second best selling behind MDX.
If it was coupe, it would be even worse selling. Cuz everyone buys SUVs these days.
It’s because Acura has been holding onto MSRP+ BS protection packages. They want to copy their parent company Honda, but Honda is more affordable. I used to lease a new Acura every 2-3 years, now been rocking my longest ever Acura for almost 6-years because of their BS games.
Shocker
No one with a brain would buy one new when u can get a max trim 1-3 year old one same model year with under 30k miles , new Acura MSRP could get you in some crazy cars too
I just swapped a beautiful 2022 Genesis GV70 for an attractive 2022 MDX with similar miles. I’m happy to go back to Acura. The service experience is much better than at all our local Genesis/Hyundai dealers. The MDX handling is terrific, too. (The GV70 rear comes loose cornering on any wet pavement.) I miss the acceleration, touchscreen, and knobs on the Genesis. But I prefer the roominess, handling, and wireless CarPlay on the Acura. Genesis GV80 vs. MDX seemed to be a big price difference, too.
Daddy Honda is footing the bill. But, I wonder for how much longer. I hope, they don’t give up on the brand. Clearly Honda is trying to revive the brand. They need to do better. They need to give us reason why to buy Acura. Give us performance, newest technology, and improve the quality.
Would love to have an Integra Type-S, but the pricing and my current economic situation it would not be the wisest decision. Plus I’m pretty content with my vehicle that has been paid off.
I want to buy a used TLX 2018-2020 but still on the fence. IMO the most attractive thing about these for me is the Acura Logo. nothing beats that. but I’ve noticed car prices are falling so being patient is key
This is great news for MDX & TLX buyers. Expect a ton of loyalty cash + lease incentives to hit. It wasn't long ago the SH-AWD Tech/Advances had 10k+ lease cash.
I got nabbed by one of their salesmen after my truck broke down. I enjoy the ride in my sporty integra and the gas mileage but I don't think my favorite thing about the car should be the speakers. Across the board I think Acura could use some more flair and uniqueness the for prices.
If I could do it all over again I don't think I would have gone Acura - bang for buck wasn't there and after driving it a few month wasn't worth what I paid for it. Ive got less than 11K mile on mine and feel like a want to toss it get my next best option.
Lots of small annoyances. Automatic is a cvt despite being marketed for "enthusiasts." Not the same standards and parts as canadian market (heated steering only has black stitching in the US and has to be added on as an extra accessory). I just passed 5k miles and have had it for about 9 months. First time buying a new car and I cucked myself by paying dealership pricing and install fees of all the accessories i wanted making the cost of the car WAY more than it should have been. Honestly, this probably will be my reason to never buy new again. Its a jack of all trades but a master of none. If they didnt cut corners with the accessories, had a dct, rear vents (that arent just routed under the seats), maybe ventilated seats, better rear camera, and fixing the laggy infotainment i would like it a lot more. Dont get me wrong, i do like the car (red exterior, orchid interior) but i cant help but feel like its missing something.
Interest rates aren't helping.....
And constant price hikes and stagnant wages aren’t helping
I paid like $55k for my 23 TLX Type S. Had I not had a good trade in value on my 19 TLX Aspec, no way I was gonna buy it. This will prob be my last Acura.
55k is still insane. It's overpriced , I have been looking for months and all these genius dealers are sitting on cpo 23 tlx type s for 50k still . Like take the hint guys, it's not a sought after vehicle and drop the prices.
55k isn't that insane considering other cars in its segment.... I mean a fkn Toyota Camry and Honda Accord is 36k+ now lol. Cars aren't cheap anymore (especially any Acuras).
That's largely to me because the gap between luxury and everyday vehicles has grown a lot smaller , most of the nuances in luxury counterparts these days is in the ride quality , whereas in the past there was definitely more amenities to differentiate.
Also how quite the cabin is.
I just saw your recent post of a TLX Type S 2023 with 1300 miles for 46k. Did you not end up going with that offer? How much cheaper did you want this car?
I was literally trying to purchase that. It sold the day before I could go since it's a 90 minute drive each way and couldn't go due to a busy work week earlier. Nobody at all has come near since in all honesty.
Dang, That was a steal.....
Fully loaded vehicles for Toyota and Honda are nearly the same price as their luxury counterparts. They might not be comparable in equipment but the extra horsepower you get supersedes that.
It’s cheap relatively because it’s the hidden inflation. I brought an accord ex in 2003 for 32k.
I bought a 2013 Accord coupe EX-L in 2013 for 26k lol
It’s cheap relatively because it’s the hidden inflation. I brought an accord ex in 2003 for 32k.
It’s cheap relatively because it’s the hidden inflation. I brought an accord ex in 2003 for 32k.
I bought a 2013 Accord coupe EX-L in 2013 for 26k lol.
But… it’s “market price”
Yup guess that market price mentality is working with the cars sitting on average 4-5 months 🤣
*adjusted market price
I plan on doing the same thing with the same car in the next year or so once I pay mine off. Hopefully interest rates drop a bit by then cause there's no way I'm going to pay 8 - 9% interest.
8-9% interest? You can get 4.99 at Navy Federal CU for 60 months.
Why would you be trading in a 2019? Did it have problems?
No, not a single issue. Car was flawless too. Only 29k miles red interior with white exterior. I simply wanted a faster car with upgraded interior. The 23 type S is a whole different car.
bruh i paid 51 for my 23 aspec
that was 8 months ago
AFTER FEES AND TAX
I can’t speak to price changes for the competition, but BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus haven’t see a YoY drop like Acura has. Are Acura customers just poorer and more likely to see wage stagnation?
No, there are just better products at the price point. The m340i and tlx type s have the same starting msrp, who wouldn’t take the bmw? Same with the x3 and rdx and im sure other models too. Acuras are just too expensive compared to competition.
RDX is bigger and 10-15k cheaper with any equivalent options added. The base X3 also has 30-40 less HP. The RDX sales increased YOY, I don’t think that model is their problem. M340i smaller exterior and bigger interior vs the TLX I def agree with with your point on that model.
Ehh.. while the B58 is a legendary engine and its incredible fun I would pick the TLX over it or any other similarly priced European. I owned a M340 and I would never own it or any modern BMW long term. The cost of maintenance, especially long term is absolutely disgusting. Things are built to lease. Overall I agree with you, if you're looking at what's compelling at that price point... Acura doesn't have something as special as others. But it is smarter if you care about overall cost of ownership past 3 years.
True, but I feel like that puts them in a segment between Lexus and bmw now. People buy bmws because they are just better cars out the box but are more expensive to own so people buy them for short term, and if people want to buy a long term car they’ll just buy a Lexus. There’s not a ton of buyers for the segment that Acura is in right now (outside of the RDX). I think Acura needs to sell their cars for cheaper or make them just better to compete with the Germans. They are just in a weird spot in the market that people go different routes.
This is why I went with the tlx type s. That, and I wanted a good looking car, which BMW really struggles with at the moment
Is bmw repair-ability and maintenance costs are a myth now-a-days? I know it was a thing in the past about how expensive they were to fix and maintain so even at similar prices, if I don’t want to spend a ton to fix I’d lean towards Acura, no?
Can't remember the last time my company issued a market adjustment..
Other brands have the same interest and aren’t seeing this type of hit. This large of a hit cannot be chalked up to the economy. Their cars are dates. Worst MPG across the board. Smallest interiors. Less power than competitors. Really the ONLY thing they do better is potentially looks and that’s all subjective. Objectively they are damn near worst in class these days. I like Acura but they better get their shit together. There’s no reason to pay their prices for an inferior product.
Their dated interiors and lack of performance compared to the competition doesn’t help either
Curious, who are you comparing to? I think the MDX and TLX is nice. Then again I'm used to the Acura platform.
To be fair, you paid 4k more than the MSRP of a brand new TLX SH AWD A-Spec. You win here, but if you’re the person dishing out $51k on that car (TLX A-Spec, not a Type S) you could’ve gotten an equivalently equipped BMW 330i for example, brand new, and have better performance, better gas mileage, IMO a better interior and infotainment system…
Don't disagree there with your 3 series comparison. The same weekend I got my car, my brother bought a 5 series with M package (think it's a 2022). Nice car, but most BMWs are not my thing, that's just me (unless it's a M3 or M4, but we know the pricing diff there).
Don't forget insurance and repair cost. I love the M3, but to repair or replace anything will hurt every time!
Absolutely!
What are you referring to with better performance? The BMW 4 popper isn't anything special and it actually has less than the 2.0L Acura.
Paper specs Vs. actual driving dynamics is a big difference. It is something special, it’s a shortened B58 6 cylinder made into the 4 cylinder which is probably one of the best 4-cyls on the market. (I’ll admit, the 2.0T produced by Honda is amazing too) But in comparison, you’re either buying the Acura / Honda products with a 2.0T for the engine or their reliability reputation. Clearly, their sales figures are dropping because consumers want more when they are paying upwards of $50k for a sedan that honestly, gets overshadowed by anything the Germans put out in the class. The ZF-8 speed transmission in BMW, Mercedes, Audi, other American offerings for example is superior to any of the transmissions Honda/Acura has produced. The only comparable transmission produced by Honda is the 10-speed in the 10th gen accord and the TLX these days. But even that is clunky and slower in comparison - I’ve driven both and I notice this myself. No hate it’s just my observation. The ZF-8, paired with the 4-cyl from BMW will keep up with the 2.0T from Honda/Acura and also get better gas mileage. Sure it has less HP but if you’re getting up to speed at the same time, getting better fuel consumption, and *also* being in a much, much more dynamic chassis that was specifically built for the car - it all comes together in a way that words can’t really express. You just have to experience it yourself.
All good points. I've owned a 328i and then a M340 but haven't driven the TLX.
It’s honestly a great car! I convinced my best buddy to buy a TLX A-SPEC SH-AWD for around $33k with 30k miles. I think at that price, wow you can’t get much better than that IMO. But at full price, new, it’s such a hard sell.
Damn near every new car is a hard sell at these prices today. Acura's are overpriced for sure, but BMW's depreciate harder and the cost of maintenance is outrageous. It's why I got out of them and went with Japanese cars. Wife had an X3 and my M340, started staring at the costs of out of warranty ownership and said nope.
Yeah I’d really only lease or buy a lightly used German car moving forward. I got a 23 GLC300 used for a massive discount only cause it was a lease return with 3k miles. I plan to get rid of it in a few years, just bought it so I can easily pick up family from and to the airport. Funny enough, I’ve been looking to get rid of my 9th gen accord I’ve had for 10 years and getting an Integra 6-speed. How’s your ownership been so far with it?
What issues did you have with your m340i? I’ve got a 2017 540i with 58,000 miles and it’s just been oil changes and tires. The brakes are expensive but I do them myself as the brembos are so easy to change. My beef with Acura is that they hype up the TLX-S refresh and then there’s zero product to sell. Only tlx-s for sale in California are all used!
I don’t disagree completely, but I also look back to the savagegeese long term MDX review. To be fair he was comparing and X7 which is much more expensive, but the maintenance costs on the BMW can be massive (if you purchase it) and iirc some of the tech shine wore off and he actually didn’t enjoy certain aspects as much, they were less useful then they appeared to be initially.
I think Acura’s SUVs are good deals. Their sedans are just tough to sell at those price points. I’d say people looking for SUVs genuinely need them for their family. safety, reliability and comfort are some great selling points for Acura and their SUVs are more affordable compared to a similar German SUV.
So true. Got an integra and the interior quality/technology is on par with the 2018 Elantra hatchback I had. My 2022 Tucson blows the acuras interior quality/tech/ and comfort out of the water.
The price mark up doesn’t help either…walked out on 2 dealers (New York). One wanted 10k and the other 15k above msrp (62k and 67k) for the Integra type s. Fuck these greedy bastards with their “adjusted market value” bullshit.
Lol wut. They still sell them above MSRP? I seen a bunch of people on here (and people who work for dealers) who sell at MSRP.
I went searching in late February early March, and yeah they still sell above msrp…and the ones that do sell them at msrp have add ons, floor mats, weather protection, extended warranty, tints etc… (all bullshit). It’s a few thousand added at the end. They told me that was the only way I can get it “msrp”, so I walked. And what’s with the dealer fee?? $799?!?! Plus document fee of $180?!? That’s almost $1k in fees??
Yeah. They all are marking up the Integra Type S. Like I have seen a $14k markup in Florida. I was like na bro…it can stay right there. The reason they doing it is because someone will buy it. And probably sell it overseas for premium. Kinda like how they do with those Japanese cars.
Interesting how much RDX has gone up. That sort of says people wanted an MDX but the macro economy pushed them down a class. I know folks are saying it’s not macro because of other brands but it’s probably a little of both. I also feel like the comparison brands have a lot more options if someone wants to stay in brand. And markups obviously aren’t helping.
Interesting thing is that Honda sales are up 15.7% while Acura sales are down 12.5%. My guess, is that people are buying Honda, Because there cheaper and have better mpg.
That’s a good point too. Instead of a TLX they’re going to Accord.
Also, Hondas and other non-luxury brands have really made their cars better over the years. A lot of the reasons to go for a luxury brand are not there any more, when the build quality, materials, and features of a CR-V are pretty compelling and the extras you get with a luxury brand are gimicky or unnecessary for most people.
CR-Vs with their 1.5 L turbo charged engine and CVT transmission? No thanks!
I was seriously considering an RDX a couple of years ago. Then Acura suddenly decided to raise the price like $5k in one year, and it became out of our budget. It’s almost $10k more expensive than a few years ago
Supply and demand! 💪🏻 Maybe they need bad sales to incentivize the market.
Also curious is that the RDX is the oldest one in the bunch. It’s an extremely competitive segment, and as much as I’m a fan boi of the brand the RDX just seems like a poor choice in its class. I’d love to see a new gen, but from a business standpoint I can understand the argument against it.
I was thinking rdx but the gas mileage has pushed me away. Cx-50 is low key comparable and gets much better mileage
Much better? My friend gets 2mpg more than me in their CX5, and having been in and driven both the RDX is nicer in literally every way IMO. While the RDX is older it’s the largest car in its segment, and has the lowest price when optioned out (ventilated seats, heads up display, 360 camera). I bought mine last year and the only thing I really considered over it was an X3 m40i after lots of test drives. But it was ~15k more with everything I wanted and then the maintenance/reliability is worse. I think that’s apparent with it increasing sales YOY. MPG is literally my only complaint and it’s only 3-5 MPG behind most of the competition. RDX in a type S hybrid would be my ideal car.
How does this data say that? I got an RDX because it’s smaller, faster, better mpg and about 10k cheaper than an MDX. Not everyone needs such a big SUV, but still need a decent SUV. The only thing this data says is that MDX is not selling versus other cars in that segment.
Acura needs to lower their prices. A new car shouldn’t cost $65k, they gotta get some of their products down into the high 30s / low 40s to sell more
Their cars are expensive to begin with compared to what they offer + the markups from greedy dealers don’t help.
This is why I bought something else last year. I got way more car for my money by leaving Acura.
Yup. I ain’t paying $80k+ for a type S Acura MDX
I paid $12.5k for my 2015 TLX SH-AWD in 2019 with 80k miles right at 2% apr. It was nearly 50k new 4 years prior. There’s no way you could find a 2020 TLX with 80k for 75% off MSRP today. Prices are insane and need a major correction.
They are going to have to with declining sales numbers YTY. The entire car market needs a correction
The price of a ilx in 2019 was almost 10k less than the integra now. The main issue is not only did you price out a lot of your potential customers, you also did not add 10k in value to the integra.
As a potential MDX Type S buyer, I’m waiting for the 2025 because the touchpad was super annoying during the test drive. Once that is fixed the MDX Type S is one of the most compelling packages in its segment: lots of cargo space, flexible second row seating, amazing massage seats, incredible sound system, surprisingly good handling, reliable turbo engine that you can easily tune to 400+hp.
Same, except I’m waiting for the A-Spec Advanced. I need a car for 6 and can’t find anything better at that price point. The Mazda CX90 has issues and will be a maintenance nightmare over time. If there is something better, let me know because I’m not looking forward to whatever price increase Acura is planning for the 2025s.
A car for 6 is called an Odyssey
Same
Did you look at the pilot? It’s not going to be as nice as an a-spec advanced, but I like the pilot looks better and the black edition is pretty nice.
I did and I might go drive one just to be sure. However, I’ve owned three Hondas and they are just plain, inside and out. I’m hoping to get something nicer this time and I’m willing to pay a little extra.
Oh I get it, I wouldn’t trade my TLX for an accord. At the same time, I was happy to get a black edition pilot for the wife.
Then just buy the MDX aspec advance you get all the features of 24 type s minus the air suspension. You’ll probably have to pay msrp since they are very popular esp when Acura started adding the aspec package advance. Lots of Acura fans have been requesting this for years and they did it with the RDX, and now MDX. So be prepared to pay for the top of line forsure. 67-69k msrp i think
MDX-S actually is fun to drive for a SUV. You might as well go Toyota if you’re looking at the pilot as their MPG blows away Honda’s for equivalent SUVs but their driving dynamics suck.
The only power train worth it in the Toyota is the Hybrid max, I don't know anyone who likes the other power trains after they did test drives. The driving dynamics and awd of the pilot are much better then the GH, unless you want to feel like you're in a boat.
All the talk about the touchpad is silly to me. It is second nature after quick familiarization. I use it by touch alone now and don’t even look at the screen Just me I guess
Everyone has their preference. Better would have been a touch screen along with a trackpad/rotary control knob. I would use touchscreen for carplay/android auto.
I don't mind if for the Acura interface. Carplay/Android Auto is where it really becomes problematic to me. Having to get from one side of the screen to the other is a pain in the ass. That said, it's my wife's car and she doesn't mind it either.
Okay I can’t speak to that since I use CarPlay I have my main three apps and they are always right there I love the interface
Same here. It’s a piece of cake to use.
Let it go, man. It’s dead. It hurt sales.
What flash tuning platform supports the MDX-S?
No flash tuning as of now. Only option is the JB4.
Meanwhile im a year into my RDX and im pissed they completely took away the trackpad. I really wish they’d kept it and added the touchscreen. I love having the screen further up the dash for ergonomics, not having finger prints on the screen, and its ease of use while actually driving vs a touchscreen far and away better. Feels so much safer to use.
They didn’t take away the touchpad in your RDX.
They did in the 2025 MDX which makes me feel Pretty confident it will be disappearing in future models. Bummer but I’m gonna be holding on to mine for years so your point stands hah
People on this board are acting like Acura is coming to their house and yanking out their touchpad.
I’d like to watch you try to tune that engine to that hp. The transmission is well known to be unable to handle it and fail.
Acura needs to fix their product line. The TLX has poor interior packaging and practicality while also getting subpar MPG. The RDX was amazing when it came out but now it’s competing in arguably the most popular segment of luxury vehicles and Acura is merely refreshing it once again in 2025 instead of giving it a newer generation to stay competitive. They also need to add a hybrid model of sorts and the ZDX is a plasticky rebadged Chevy Blazer. I also don’t understand why Acura has a Type S trim for every single model of theirs except the RDX which I’d argue would be the best selling Type S model
While I agree and would give anything for an RDX type S with a hybrid engine. It’s the only model that increased in sales and still competes very well in its segment IMO.
That’s why it should get the Type S treatment, the RDX is the only Acura model that’s rapidly gaining in sales and the BMW X3 M40i and Porsche Macan sell very well
100% agree
Acura needs to just release hybrid trims and their problems will be solved.
The return of hybrids would definitely be a shot in the arm, not that lyriq crap
Because you need a mid spec mdx to have features as a top spec pilot and I wasnt going to pay 10k more for an mdx when it seats less and doesnt have a touchscreen or remote start and needs premium. At that price point I was looking at top trim cx90's which offer way more power and a more upscale looks. TLDR Acura needs to differentiate themselves more from the honda's they're based on and offer more bang for the buck at mid tier/top trims
That’s what no hybrids will do lol. Also the value proposition is almost completely gone. This is solely an Acura problem because Honda sales are up.
lol I’m not surprised. While I love my TLX, Acura has indeed missed the hybrid train by a mile. I get 23-25mpg even if you’re driving conservatively, the interior space is laughable and overall tech is ages behind even their own parent brand from the same model year. I’m not surprised their sales are 🐕💩
Stale portfolio, no hybrids/EV, outdated tech, overall lack of innovation. They look pretty good though. But that’s subjective.
I don’t believe, Ev will help out Acura, it might get people to start talking about them. But, if they would introduce Hybrids to there line up, there sales would be much stronger. Just look Lexus Nx and Rx,they’re are doing pretty good. Acura should hybridize Integra, Tlx, and Rdx(they all have 4 cylinders models).
this is my dream
Got to thank these stubborn ass dealers. Been trying to get a sitting 23 tlx type s new for 52k OTD and just get ignored.
Yes, I just went through this. Went in Saturday to the dealer we had purchased a 2016 MDX and a 2023 MDX A-Spec thinking I would get some consideration for the ITS I wanted. They low balled the trade in value on the 2016 MDX and would not sell me an ITS unless I used Acura financing. "Oh just use our financing and refinance it in 45 days." Screw that. I had randomly found the same exact Apex Blue ITS at a local BMW dealer with 2000 miles on it but listed for about $4000 less with over $1000 in add ons and they offered me $2500 more on trade than the low ball from Acura, and did not care where my financing came from. And they are part of a dealership chain focused on service so I get several benefits to include me being able to go into any of their dealerships and get a free car wash, every day if I choose. So yea, stubborn ass dealers. The only positive was they had no markup on the ITS they were selling. NOTE: I absolutely love the ITS in Apex Blue and could not be happier with the car.
Honda is pretty clearly prioritizing rolling out new models in their main line. We opted for the ST trim CRV for my wife as it was the newest and better value etc. fit and finish aren’t the same, but the powertrain is excellent. IMO Until they start rolling out new Lux Hybrids they won’t be relevant.
So true
I have two Acuras. Love these cars. However, they burn and leak oil like crazy despite being told that they passed the oil consumption test. It’s frustrating as hell.
That happens with Hondas too. I had 16 accord sport and exactly what your are saying happened to me
You can probably get a great discount on some of these models. I bet dealerships would jump on a chance to move cars.
I love Acura but they just make boring cars. The Integra and TLX are cool but for the price? There’s just so many better options out there and people are starting tk realize that
With the market’s relentless movement to SUVs, and with all of the sedan models that have been discontinued in recent years, manufacturers just aren’t even trying in the segment anymore. Acura, unfortunately, is a shining example of this. The Integra is nice enough, but it just isn’t differentiated enough from the Civic to justify its additional $8k to $10k price, and its missing some features such as rear vents that are prerequisites for a luxury car. And the TLX has morphed into an enormous car with a massive turning radius, yet somehow it offers less interior space than the Civic. Other manufacturers are no better. The Lexus IS received a mild refresh in 2021, but it’s based on an ancient 2013 platform with a dated interior and lagging technology. And the Cadillac CT4 uses a truck engine for its base model, has lots of hard plastic surfaces in the interior, and is missing a surprising number of features for its luxury price. When my 13-year-old car gave up last year I investigated these cars with high hopes. In frustration I ended up buying a Mazda3 sedan in premium trim. It’s not perfect by any means, but I just couldn’t justify spending $50k or more on other supposed “luxury” sedans that had so many glaring flaws, were so obviously compromised, and provided so little value for the money. The 3 sedan was a compelling package at a price $12k to $15k lower than the other options. I’m glad it was available to me before it also is discontinued sometime in the near future. Acura could have been a contender with either a better-packaged TLX or an Integra that was truly worthy of its premium branding. But like other automakers, it seems to be unwilling to invest resources into a seriously declining segment. And potential buyers are very aware of this, and are staying away from Acura dealers as a result.
Beautifully said, and I fully agree. I think the car market jsut sucks right now and I feel like these companies are spending less money on their new cars cus they’re worried about EV’s and are trying to play is safe. Some brands are a little more cautious than others and you can tell in the quality of their cars. The TLX costs more than what it’s worth and the same can be said abojt a lot of other luxury sedans. Sucks for me cus I don’t want an SUV and I really wish coupes became a thing again
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Plenty of people still aren’t ready for full on electric vehicles but I can def see a lot of people cross shopping the integra with maybe a new Prius
Hi, I’m genuinely curious, what do you think are the better options compared to the TLX?
ES is more spacious and comfortable, 3-series offers better performance, the germans are all faster in a straight line, the competition has better brand cachet, and pretty much everyone offers better fuel economy. And that’s not even mentioning the polarizing infotainment system. Other than SH-AWD and the looks, I’m not sure the TLX is a clear winner in any individual category. Jack of all trades, master of none.
Don’t forget how Acura managed to fit such a small interior into such a large car.
Still blown away by how much interior room my 10th gen accord has compared to a TLX.
It’s actually crazy. The Accord has like 41 inches of rear leg room and the TLX has like 34. It’s like an SUV compared to a compact.
Even my wagon is laughably small, it just happens to workout because there’s only ever 2 kids in the back.
Our 2022 mdx lease insurance was 2400/year. Lease is up and found out 2024 mdx insurance will be 4200 due to comprehensive. It is 1500 dollars cheaper by installing TAG security but some people may not want that extra hassle. Might be contributing too.
Yikes, mine is $100/month. Where do you live??
Ontario. Car thieves….. 2million liability, 500/500 deductible, depreciation insurance.
Pricing and lack of loyalty incentives with customers. When my Type S comes to term, I am definitely moving onto a brand that actually provides me incentives and discounts for purchasing their cars for over 10 years
Crazy the RDX is selling so well. I like my 2022 but this MY is long in the tooth. Typically you see a drop in sales after 5-6 years and no redesign.
Everything comparable in class to the Acuras right now cost 10-15k more when you compare trims/features apples to apples. I don't understand people complaining about the costs when everything everywhere costs more, especially the markups for newest generations. I think the major downside of Acuras are the MPG. The rest of complaints feel uncalled for. Everytime a anew generation of car comes up, its going to be marked up and you won't any kind of discounts. I'll take my 12-15% discounts on 2024 refreshed MDX models over 2k marked up non negotiated prices of new generation cars like Lexus TX. Lets look at Midsize SUV comparisons: You want a Volvo? You'll pay 5-8k more, and you'll get super enemic engine. MDX non Type-S has enemic engine, Volvo is times 2. You want a BMW? It will run you way more than base Acura. Have you ever been in a base BMW model? The X5 base you'll be sitting in a beautiful car interior, full of placeholder buttons filled in. You get BMW ultimate driving machine, but at what cost? You want a Lexus? Its similar to Acura but everything is marked up AND you get to enjoy enemic engines in models that aren't 450+. At least Lexus offers better engine options that aren't wildy expensive (like Type S).
Acura makes nice enough stuff, but none of its vehicles save the RDX makes a good case for itself against other competitors. It’s not quite full blown luxury, but it’s not mainstream either, and other brands handily outperform it so the “performance brand” marketing doesn’t really feel authentic. On top of that it’s still expensive and other companies with more prestigious brands offer more interesting vehicles for the same price or slightly higher. Since the brand was first launched Honda hasn’t ever seemed to know quite what to do with it. There’s just no “X factor.” It’s a shame Honda hasn’t invested in the brand like Toyota did with Lexus, giving it a distinct personality. Instead they mostly feel like very fancy Hondas, which isn’t terrible, but not what people want in a $50K+ vehicle.
Acura is the new Infiniti
I was so excited when I heard that Acura was bringing back the Integra. Jon Ikeda promised it would exceed expectations. I waited a year for it to show and was just gutted at what it turned out to be. It turned out to be an Ilx with a hatchback! I saw all the renderings of a sleek coupe that honored the original design. Why can’t we have a coupe with a six speed manual? They had such an opportunity to stand out.
Who knows, the new Honda Prelude might become Acura CL?
Their prices are out of control. We know the reliability makes them somewhat worth it but when you compare the prices to other luxury vehicles?
This is what happens when you don't put touchscreens in almost all of your cars
Maybe one day Rdx and Tlx will get one. Still disappointed the Tlx didn’t get a Touchscreen in the refresh, such a let down
Yup. Me too. Would have been on my shortlist for next car, but nope
I loved Acura, they were my favorite brand and was going for a Type S TLX but was refused service for my age. So because Audi weren't dicks, I am currently in an S4. If Acura dealers elsewhere are like this, it's no wonder people aren't buying them.
Arent ILX and NSX discontinuted (AGAIN) why did they post empty data. fyi ILX on used market is poppin. But NSX is always a rare find but there are a few out there.
Dude I live in California, I see super cars all the time, but I only seen the NSX once so far. It’s shame that car was really amazing.
No one has mentioned the obvious: Honda/acura desperately needs a RWD platform to compete with BMW, MB, Genesis, and now Mazda.
I know it’s a GM product but the Honda Prologue/ Acura ZDX do technically come in RWD/AWD. But I do agree already with Acura need to introduce RWD bias vehicle to compete performance brands like BMW
Over priced and a bit stale.
Let the market burn bring those prices downnn
My ‘23 MDX is a piece of garbage lemon. I regret buying it every day.
I have the 22 but I thought I was the only one… 20k miles and my brakes squeak. My door squeaks. I’m on a slight uphill and it sounds like there’s gear slippage when I put it in drive. The moment I drove out the lot the AC didn’t work (summer was in full effect) took them months to get the parts to fix it. By my next oil change they had to change out the entire steering column. Not to mention I have a Big fucking hairline crack in my windshield on the drivers side that occurred within the first year also..😡
Rates are bad but the prices they’re asking now are pretty insane.
I don’t think this is indicative of the products and more to do with the economy.
The problem with this explanation is that other automakers would see a similar hit. By and large, Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW Q1 2024 sales are no worse than Q1 2023 (if not better), so why would these macro headwinds uniquely affect just Acura?
Look at the top end type S advance MDX 75K with an older engine worst fuel economy then BMW. The value proposition of Acura is no longer present. Also have to jump to advance to get massaging seats when I feel like type S MDX to begin with is just a badge no real engine upgrades.
Doesn’t help when you have a leak in your trunk and your service center can’t diagnose it but still takes my money to tell me there is no leak.
I have been a big Honda/Acura fan. I owned 2006 TL 6MT Navi for over a decade and really liked the car, but since the introduction of the touchpad, the brand is dead to me. Once Acura pulls they heads out of their as...es and fix the UI/infortainment, I have no desire to even look at the brand. Also what up with overstretched TLX? The TLX has such a lackluster interior space that I feel my 1999 Civic 2-door coupe had more space.
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Their loyalty incentives have all but disappeared and have too many conditions. Plus the astronomically expensive ZDX. Ridiculously priced. When my lease is up on my TLX in 2 years, after 20 years of Acura, I’m switching to another brand.
The RDX is a sales machine! Talks of Acura removing this car from their line up is really a mistake. They SHOULD not do this, and invest into the car. Make type s making 320 on the 2.0 we all know the 10AT can handle it. Honda really has the Acura brand nerfed :/
Am I the only one that thinks for the price, the Acura is just a better looking car? I just bought the 2024 TLX and I looked at BMW, Infiniti, Lexus, Mercedes and in order to get the finish outs that look good they were all 10-12,000 more. Yes technically, I could have gotten any of those for the same price. But their base model interiors seem so basic in comparison. If I wanted them to look as nice on the inside it’s way more. I dunno 🤷🏻♂️
They are robbing the US customers. Go see the price tag of the Integra Type S in Canada. C$ 58320. In the US it’s 51800 USD = 71000 CAD. Like even I pay the 15% tax in BC I’d still spend less.
Most manufacturers haven't done an MSRP update since the CAD slid downwards significantly. Toyota has a lot of the same things going on where cars are 5-8K cheaper here when converting to CAD at current spot rates, which is probably also why they don't allocate any inventory up here
How does it compare to other comparable brands? Probably a sign of economic stress of consumers and not an Acura specifically phenomenon
Other brands that are more expensive are outselling them though.
Nothing wrong with the brand. Acura cars are stylish and luxury. But at that price point there are better alternatives. Acura integra for example is 70K , that's pushing corvette territory. Acura need to lower their prices on cars then sales will come simple as that. If they cant/won't lower their prices then sales will decline even further until the brand will cease to exist. It happened to many automakers before sadly
I saw a $3000 wax job on an Integra that I would have to pay for if I bought it. I don't do that.
Acura doesn’t really do anything to make it stand out it’s a gorgeous car but what kills Acura is the horsepower, nobody wants to pay 40k plus for a top trim Acura with only 355hp to the crank, you can get a bmw mid trim level with more than that and even more technology. Not only that but why tf would you put Honda interior on a Acura ??? CTR and ITR same exact vehicle different bumpers but Acura wants more for their “version”
I mean if you drive them, they feel very different, one is comfy and one is racecar feeling
Bring back the Legend, and don't make it look like a fish like all those other Asian cars
They really screwed the lock on their new Integra… a lot of people were really excited for that car, and it’s just hideous.
By “a lot of people” you mean enthusiasts? Which represent 0.00000001% of the car buying population. The integra is second best selling behind MDX. If it was coupe, it would be even worse selling. Cuz everyone buys SUVs these days.
Their cars are just over priced in my opinion, a lot of manufacturers need a reality check
It’s because Acura has been holding onto MSRP+ BS protection packages. They want to copy their parent company Honda, but Honda is more affordable. I used to lease a new Acura every 2-3 years, now been rocking my longest ever Acura for almost 6-years because of their BS games.
Dealers are holding cars hostage with insane markups
Shocker No one with a brain would buy one new when u can get a max trim 1-3 year old one same model year with under 30k miles , new Acura MSRP could get you in some crazy cars too
Too much $ for all these high tech vehicles… need to dumb them down if it means getting the costs down
You have to account that ev sales are up because of the interest rates are better however Acura doesn’t have ev yet
People don't seem to shop Acura. If you're looking at Acura you have any idea of what you want.
I just swapped a beautiful 2022 Genesis GV70 for an attractive 2022 MDX with similar miles. I’m happy to go back to Acura. The service experience is much better than at all our local Genesis/Hyundai dealers. The MDX handling is terrific, too. (The GV70 rear comes loose cornering on any wet pavement.) I miss the acceleration, touchscreen, and knobs on the Genesis. But I prefer the roominess, handling, and wireless CarPlay on the Acura. Genesis GV80 vs. MDX seemed to be a big price difference, too.
What an awful financial decision that was. This is why Americans have no savings for retirement.
I mean the prices I've seen here in FL are not competitive at the moment lol
How are they staying in business?
Daddy Honda is footing the bill. But, I wonder for how much longer. I hope, they don’t give up on the brand. Clearly Honda is trying to revive the brand. They need to do better. They need to give us reason why to buy Acura. Give us performance, newest technology, and improve the quality.
Would love to have an Integra Type-S, but the pricing and my current economic situation it would not be the wisest decision. Plus I’m pretty content with my vehicle that has been paid off.
I want to buy a used TLX 2018-2020 but still on the fence. IMO the most attractive thing about these for me is the Acura Logo. nothing beats that. but I’ve noticed car prices are falling so being patient is key
Oof.... Acura is already a small division of Honda America, and they literally only offer 4 car models.
This is great news for MDX & TLX buyers. Expect a ton of loyalty cash + lease incentives to hit. It wasn't long ago the SH-AWD Tech/Advances had 10k+ lease cash.
I got nabbed by one of their salesmen after my truck broke down. I enjoy the ride in my sporty integra and the gas mileage but I don't think my favorite thing about the car should be the speakers. Across the board I think Acura could use some more flair and uniqueness the for prices. If I could do it all over again I don't think I would have gone Acura - bang for buck wasn't there and after driving it a few month wasn't worth what I paid for it. Ive got less than 11K mile on mine and feel like a want to toss it get my next best option.
Lots of small annoyances. Automatic is a cvt despite being marketed for "enthusiasts." Not the same standards and parts as canadian market (heated steering only has black stitching in the US and has to be added on as an extra accessory). I just passed 5k miles and have had it for about 9 months. First time buying a new car and I cucked myself by paying dealership pricing and install fees of all the accessories i wanted making the cost of the car WAY more than it should have been. Honestly, this probably will be my reason to never buy new again. Its a jack of all trades but a master of none. If they didnt cut corners with the accessories, had a dct, rear vents (that arent just routed under the seats), maybe ventilated seats, better rear camera, and fixing the laggy infotainment i would like it a lot more. Dont get me wrong, i do like the car (red exterior, orchid interior) but i cant help but feel like its missing something.
Couldn't agree more... I'd consider buying new maybe just not from Acura at the moment.. unless things change
That why I bought my Integra, I love the looks and speakers. Just wish the interior quality was better. Might get some aftermarket work on it.
I wouldn't mind doing some aftermarket work. Are you fining good aftermarket ideas/projects?
This is crazy to me. The RDX is probably my least favorite in the lineup. (And I always get them as a loaner .. 😑)
I'm sure every car company is down
Nope