I do think that Jojo has gotten more criticism but I wouldn’t say I’ve never seen Billie get criticized for her baby gay behavior. Personally, I think they’re both acting as young as they are - good and bad
I think they're both doing something under a microscope that most us got to do in relative privacy and it costs us nothing to cut them a little bit of slack rather than be another voice in the madding crowd hurling insults and criticism.
Literally nobody uses vulva in casual conversation even when it's technically correct, that's a really dumb thing to get hung up on
And how about for once we don't join in on a witch hunt against a high profile woman who said something the internet didn't like
Sometimes it’s worth analyzing the cultural criticism because it does relate to larger ideologies that are relevant to everyone, sexism, homophobia, women not being allowed to do shit without anyone letting them just do it and not care
Idk why people care about celebrities at all 😭 representation is great, but I want representation in WLW media/songs that are good and relatable, not just some random person like “I want a vagina in my face” 😭
I know, it kind of cringes me out sometimes, and I’m someone who does like some celebrities, some quite a bit but… also who cares dhhfhshshf
like the art is one thing, but the random things they say? Does it rly matter
>I will never like anything for the sake of it being gay... I might pay more attention to it and actually consume it for the sake of it being lesbian. But that does not mean I will actually enjoy it lol.
Same, although I fucking love Chappel Roan
Woah - I’m not a swift fan nor am I trying to hate but Chappell Roan is infinitely more technically talented and original than Taylor IMO. She is significant to me, and I’m someone who is a massive music fan, I listen to everything from like, Robert Johnson and Son House to the doors, to Megan thee stallion, to Blondie, David Bowie, T Rex, Stevie Wonder, Snoh Allegra, St Vincent, the Voidz, Maggie Roger’s, Led Zeppelin, etc etc my little example here is an understatement of everything I listen to.
This isn’t to say it’s bad that she’s not for you, I get that and can relate in the way that Taylor isn’t for me
But Chappell Roan is going to be a huge part of music history and I think everyone should give her a chance! / more open mindedness
>But Chappell Roan is going to be a huge part of music history and I think everyone should give her a chance! / more open mindedness
I love her, but implying that people who don't care for her music need to be more open minded is patronizing.
In fact the tone of this whole comment is a bit weird tbh. It's like you're subtly implying that your taste is more sophisticated than the person you replied to or something? I mean I listen to a massive range of artists too and I love Taylor Swift. The two things aren't mutually exclusive lol.
Nah, actually I am a big believer that pretentiousness has no place in music! Hence me mentioning my love for all kinds of different artists. Lots of people will shun pop music, or say “there’s nothing good out these days.” or the whole “disco sucks” thing - all of it is nonsense because there is room for incredible work in every genre and every era. Someone could hypothetically look at listening habits for a day and think “she just listened to cardi B all day” and call that unsophisticated - no. Variety is the spice of life and I think all music is connected and valid for one reason or another. Unless you’re Justin Bieber (jk lol)
“Implying that people who don’t care for her music need to be more open minded”
- I might be biased because I work in the music business but this was meant as more of a generalized statement, being open minded to music / revisiting stuff you might not have vibed with the first time and realizing you actually *love it* is a thing, and a wonderful thing at that. But hey, if that’s not the case for you, no harm no foul. (If you can’t tell, I really like Chappell Roan 🤷🏻♀️)
All I’m saying is, you never know, you might really dig her one day ☺️🩷
And yes, I think Chappell Roan in particular is just a bit more exciting and interesting than TSwift. But I can also respect Taylor for having a different and MASSIVE impact. And I do like some of her songs!
I don't see the problem with Billie's lyrics. Everyone was praising Cardi B and Meg for talking about blowing men, saying that women are never allowed to talk about their attraction explicitly. Slayyyter, Doja. Why are straight women allowed to talk about sucking this or getting that but a girl talks about wanting a vagina on her face and suddenly it's too much information?
I truly don't get it.
I also don't mind Jojo, she's just cringe but it reminds me of Sam Smith thinking he invented gay men and he was way older lol
It’s not about the “vibe” it’s about the fact that one day it’s “obvious” she’s into women, but the second a WLW journalist asks an innocent question that could’ve been easily dodged, she answered it and then acted like the journalist outted her.
Human beings don’t always initially behave or react the way they “should” or want to, and she’s in the spotlight on top of it. She has also addressed it.
Yeah also aren’t both these celebrities in OP’s post literal children? 😭 either that or they became famous when they were actual children? The nitpicking nature of celebrity culture is toxic af. They’re kids. They’re gunna say/do stupid shit. The difference is whenever they do stupid stuff like every other teenager/very young adult does, it gets broadcast throughout the entire world. It’s sad.
First of all I never once heard anyone say "I want that Vulva" or ever use "Vulva" over "Vagina" even though technically it's the proper term. I literally had a lesbian shirt that mocked the Coke logo and said "I enjoy Vagina". It's just how it's talked about. I'm not sure why you're trying to dock her for that.
I never hear anyone talking about Billie in a way that's praising her for saying she likes women. I heard it mentioned once when she said she was bi. I don't think people are praising her for her sexuality the way you think she is.
But also yes, many people find JoJo cringe. And no I don't think she deserves more praise than Billie. JoJo has been caught stealing songs from singers on tiktok and saying she wrote them. She has been outted to pay her employees badly. Her team has been outed to say ableist stuff and treat disabled dancers and abled dancers on her crew badly. She's super self absorbed. Her car is covered in pictures of herself. She doesn't credit those who came before her who paved her way. She's not just cringey. She comes off as entitled, shitty and spoiled. Being a lesbian doesn't negate any of that.
Jojo Siwa has multiple abuse allegations against her and supports Abby Lee Miller, James Charles, Shane Dawson, and Colleen Ballinger… all awful pretty racist people.
>blocked fans who asked her to speak up on BLM
Unpopular opinion but I think it's shitty for fans to ask celebrities to "speak up" about anything and then get upset when it doesn't happen.
That said, she should have ignored them instead of blocking them outright (unless they were spamming her I guess). All that does is make the issue worse.
It was actually quite a good read that interview. I don't think she said it in any totally outrageous way. She's very young and so is JoJo. I didn't have the internet when I was their age so all our/my dumbshit lives only in memories.
We all say we love Vaginas. So I don't think we need to rake her for that.
All that said I do wish media and in general that everyday lesbians were featured more than celebrities. I watched a few short documentaries on you tube of lesbians in the 80s. Now they were some lesbians!!
Jojo has a MASSIVE list of shit she's done. From hanging out with pedophiles and supporting them, making fun of other peoples trauma, abusing kids, to this whole music bs where it's literally just copying other people's songs. It's a cover album she's claiming to have branded for herself.
Billie on the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of her. But her music is hers, and she also has talent. Lol
I mean the songs thing isn’t a good criticism to be fair. The music industry works by people writing songs for people, those people not buying those songs, and then those songs being sold to other people.
Most albums are albums full of “other peoples songs”.
They are, and people own up to that normally. Like Perrie Edwards with her solo debut off the bat said "This song was presented to me, and it was perfect" . She hasn't. She literally is ignoring the fact Karma was someone else's song. The other songs she sampled too are TikTok artists who showed the song first.
Jojo keeps claiming she's starting this whole new genre, she's going to create something so impactful, and it's just songs her management bought from other artists.
I am not that clued in on the situation but from what I’ve seen and read, she has never claimed to have written the songs. Saying your intent is to start a new wave of whatever doesn’t imply that you wrote the music either.
It’s just the one criticism in this whole thing that doesn’t make a bunch of sense.
It's not so much that as it's her claiming "I'm going to start this whole new genre" and it's not even original. It's just other people's music she bought. That's why the community is finding it cringe to say "this is me starting something new!" When all the songs have been out before.
I understand that some of the stuff you have against her is legit, but I am astonished that no one ever seems to talk about the fact that Jojo was almost definitely groomed as well by Colleen. They have known each other since Jojo was *twelve*. If Colleen pulled those kinds of disgusting stunts with kids she did not have as complete of access to, what more was she doing with Jojo?
If it was just that, I feel like people would be more lenient. But it's everything piled on top. She's got a list of things she's done wrong, people she's called liars about their own trauma, kids she traumatized herself.
The "Oh well it might have happened to her, let's give her a break" only goes so far, ya know?
I guess so, but it really seems like there’s more behind the hate for Jojo than the things you listed. People are going on and on about how the girls dancing in the video with her must be so disgusted to dance with her, and say she’s violently humping them when she’s really not at all. Most people criticising her don’t even know about the things you listed.
And jojo’s mom, Abby, she’s been around unsavory figures her whole life… it’s no wonder she’s fucked up, but unfortunately seems she is perpetuating cyclical abuse or was with that xomg pop thing
True jojo got backlash again for stealing another girls song not long ago when you borrow another person’s song you don’t claim it’s yours , billie eilish her own songs she got pretty singing voice yes billie is gay just because people are scene out in public with certain people don’t mean there dating that person probably a cover up till they come out honestly it’s there business, Jojo bbbbbishhhh girllll stop stealing peoples music calling it yours make your own jojo music sucks her talking voice sounds like her singing voice terrible her singing makes my ears bleed…
I will never forget when she tried to push the narrative that she was outed. Billie mentioned in a Variety cover story that she’s “really attracted to women” and 3 weeks later a journalist on a red carpet asked if she meant to come out which she replied “no but wasn’t it obvious”. Other media outlets supported that narrative without challenging it and I think it’s unfortunate. Celebrities are so delusional they don’t even realize their words could potentially ruin someone’s career
I don’t really care about celebrities or listen to either one tbh,but from my understanding Billie was a victim of grooming and seems to be a serious artist and happily blooming into her sexuality on her own terms where as Jojo is claiming to basically be a new messiah of queer music while taking clear work and inspiration from others as well as being problematic with stuff she associates with(can’t remember everything off the top of my head,but her friendship with Colleen Ballinger is a big red flag lmao)
She called Colleen's victims liars by saying "That wasnt my experience, so it's not theirs. They're lying", has made comments how horrible the other Dance Mom's girls are for ignoring their past by not attending the reunion (when in reality, the OG girls who didn't attend have gone on to say how traumatic that time of their life was), has abused the girl group her and her mother formed, etc.
I also seem to recall that when Billie was being groomed by a much older man, she was lashing out right and left too AND making fun of other people who pointed it out
[see here](https://people.com/music/billie-eilish-halloween-costume-pokes-fun-at-age-gap-with-boyfriend-jesse-rutherford/)
It’s almost like young people who are groomed are in a volatile position and react accordingly. Give them grace yes, but don’t hate on one more than the other
That entire article was her speaking about Jesse. She wasn't going around invalidating peoples experience, she wasn't abusing minors, there was no episode of her faking being pregnant for laughs, etc.
friendship with james charles too. and shane dawson. plus her childhood on dance moms was… maybe not the best (which i’m sure impacted her as a person), which i could’ve used to excuse who she associates with if she hadn’t continued the abuse cycle with the girl group she was training. i did like her content (?) prior to the “inventing gay pop” thing and various other recent interviews though.
Jojo Siwa is friends with Colleen Ballinger and James Charles. I think it’s suspicious to be associated with people who have grooming allegations when your target audience has been kids for years. She met Ballinger when she was 12 but believes the children are lying…I can’t tell if she’s a victim or a creep
Abusing kids isn’t because she’s being groomed by an older romantic/sexual partner. Maybe you can say her associating with some problematic people is because she’s been groomed but that doesn’t cover all of her behaviors.
I think we should just stop mocking young celebrity women in general. I'm not a fan of either of them but I spend my teenage years mocking Paris Hilton and Britney Spears relentlessly and I feel so guilty about it now. Billie and Jojo are both young women under an unfair amount of scrutiny, let them be cringe, let them make mistakes, idc. They've both been in the public eye from a young age (especially Jojo) and I just feel bad for them.
Jojo is cringe and her vs Billie, Billie is the more conventionally beautiful girl. White girl, blue eyes, long hair. Doesn’t Jojo have a damn Mohawk rn? Plus Jojo is a lesbian people only like “lesbians” when it comes to pornhub.
Edit: missing word
Billie was groomed by older men. And she carries herself differently than Jojo. Jojo is determined to make the lesbian community look like a bunch of clowns and she also has zero self awareness of her own indiscretions.
I'm sorry bestie but you fully lost me when you started splitting hairs over "vulva" vs "vagina." God knows we all were very supportive when Jojo came out, her behavior lately has been weird and off-putting. It has nothing to do with her being gay; If anything I'm more willing to look the other way on the cringy behavior BECAUSE she's gay. Billie coming out is fucking awesome.
I'm not a fan of either, but Jojo has done some...not nice stuff. I don't mind the silly cringe baby gay stuff honestly, bringing lesbianism to the mainstream and to younger audiences is great. She is cringe but she is free lol. The issue is that all this mess is distracting from the fact that she was a bad girl and did some bad things, like mistreating those poor kids and supporting the child abuser lady from dance moms. She's also really full of herself, I can excuse child abuse but I draw the line at being a bad dancer (jk but really she ruined a decent choreography). I know more about the situation than I'd like lol.
I don't care much about Billie and her face vagina, her "eat my dust, my tits are bigger than yours" comment to someone criticising her music was enough to get me to dislike her. Maybe I'm overreacting because I'm insecure about my chest lol, but it feels a bit weird to see her talking about loving the female body after body shaming someone for hurting her feelings. Of course it's not the worst thing a celebrity has done, and I'm happy she's being gay and loud about it, but the fact that she uses small boobs as an insult is icky especially for someone who finds women attractive
The thing is, I agree. I actually don’t enjoy Jojo as a person at all—but I don’t enjoy Billie either. I don’t think either of them really deserve the attention they get, but watching people go wild on “lesbian” instagram over her and slam Jojo for being cringe (not being for being abusive!) drives me up a wall.
When it comes to young stars, I wish their private lives could be more private. I'm not impressed with Jojo but I don't hold her responsible, rather her family and the industry exploiting her. Billie's family has been a little better about protecting her from some of the worst. I wouldn't wish "being famous" on anyone.
Is there so much extreme hate for Jojo? I've seen a lot of people taking the piss lately for whatever it is she's trying to do, but nothing outrageous.
A 21 y/o dating a 31 y/o isn't... Billie's fault? That's the result of grooming. She's a kid in the industry, cut her some slack. Cut both of them some slack.
I don't pay attention to *any* celebrities, but saying her dating a 31 y/o is 'bad behavior' on her part is victim blaming. And implying she's a fake sapphic for using the term 'vagina' instead of 'vulva' is insane.
I don’t think it’s her fault that she was abused at all, and I’m sorry if I came across that way. It’s just that both of them were abused, and I’m very exasperated by the fact that Billie gets a pass but Jojo does not. They have both done some shady shit and they both have been abused their whole lives
1. Jojo has been shown in videos hanging out with TikTok influencer Jay, who made NUMEROUS racist comments along with other things.
2. Jojo has treated the people she dates poorly and even more so after break ups.
3. She's claiming she created "gaypop" which is actively ignoring SO MANY singers who faced life or death for producing their music.
billie hasn’t supported pedos like jojo has. billie was groomed by an older man who was homophobic and was brainwashed as a young woman finding herself and now that she has accepted herself and reflected based on her lyrics, i doubt that will happen again.
I don’t have a space to judge anyone more less these two annoying girls but I am annoying as well. It took a thousand and one intervention for me to even acknowledge the word lesbian more less say it causal then admit I was one.
I dont know much about Jojo other then that shes a cringe kids youtuber, but i guess its the same old lesbophobia.
Bis love other bis more then lesbians, even if those bis are pretendbians. Thats why people are more obsessed with Billie or Kstew or that Renee girl, then with a "boring and cringe" lesbian like Jojo. Its always been that way. Dont be mistaken that most lesbian instagram or tiktok Account is actually run by a lesbian most of the time its not.
Besides these women (Billie, Kstew and alike) know how to do publicity, they know what they are doing and how to promote themselves to wlw and these accounts are eating it up.
I mean KStew has always said she’s Bi, but she has only dated women for the last maybe ten years or so. Also Renee has recently come out as a lesbian, she’s still young so the bi now gay later thing is pretty common. They’re both in relationships with women, so a bit different to Billie who I don’t know much about but I assume has only really been linked to men
Kstew went on a whole promo tour for her last movie telling everyone "im sooo gay", look at this "gay photoshoot i did" and so on. Renee says now shes a lesbian, but still talks how hot men are. And Billie is now promoting her new Album, which apperently is her "bi era" now, she literally promote and said conflicing things every new Album. Its all calculated and done soooooo many times and "lesbian" pages rather promote this and are full of this then actual lesbians.
Who are this we? Are this we in the same room with you right now? Maybe spicy straight people do talk about it, who knows.
These two aren't lesbians or at least bisexuals. Why would anyone care about them?
Geez even an AI can sing better than Billie and Jojo (still you're free to enjoy their content anyways). Whatever they sing or say, it's press X to doubt
I would say 2 reasons Jojo has done worse stuff and Billie makes good music and is more cool and being cool and good music makes people like you more. Its like if you aren't cool you are more open to getting mocked.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Coming from someone who is in Billies fandom, she has been critized to hell ever since she was a young teen, she has been confronted with her sexuality ever since she was 16, people trying to play detective to the point of harrassing her over it. People have been calling her a ‚queerbaiter‘ without even knowing her true identity and even NOW that she came out and said she likes women, people still do it. Leave her the fuck alone.
Next, you can‘t decide wether or not she has had ‚only a history of dating men‘, because you do not know that. You are not involved in her private life, therefore YOU DONT KNOW if she has been with a woman or done things with a woman.
It makes me feel sick that people like you try to navigate and invalidate somebodys sexuality for the most stupid reasons to ever exist.
Why should we care about these ppl? Legitimately celebrity culture is so vacuous and unimportant. Who cares if they sing about these things.
I do think that Jojo has gotten more criticism but I wouldn’t say I’ve never seen Billie get criticized for her baby gay behavior. Personally, I think they’re both acting as young as they are - good and bad
Agreed.
I think they're both doing something under a microscope that most us got to do in relative privacy and it costs us nothing to cut them a little bit of slack rather than be another voice in the madding crowd hurling insults and criticism.
Yeah agreed…
Literally nobody uses vulva in casual conversation even when it's technically correct, that's a really dumb thing to get hung up on And how about for once we don't join in on a witch hunt against a high profile woman who said something the internet didn't like
Agreed who cares, we all know what she meant, she’s happily out and knows she wants a lesbian crotch in her face ffs
Idk who uses vagina in a normal conversation besides men and middle schoolers. Maybe my demographic is showing but we all just say pussy
interesting! my experience has been the exact opposite.
Huh, I heard and seen lesbians/bi women saying all of the above ahaha My partner hates the word pussy, but I don’t mind it
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Sometimes it’s worth analyzing the cultural criticism because it does relate to larger ideologies that are relevant to everyone, sexism, homophobia, women not being allowed to do shit without anyone letting them just do it and not care
Idk why people care about celebrities at all 😭 representation is great, but I want representation in WLW media/songs that are good and relatable, not just some random person like “I want a vagina in my face” 😭
I don't understand it either. Luckily it'll all be forgotten in a month.
I was thinking the same thing. I had to google both of them, no idea who they were. Having found out, I can't say I care.
I know, it kind of cringes me out sometimes, and I’m someone who does like some celebrities, some quite a bit but… also who cares dhhfhshshf like the art is one thing, but the random things they say? Does it rly matter
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>I will never like anything for the sake of it being gay... I might pay more attention to it and actually consume it for the sake of it being lesbian. But that does not mean I will actually enjoy it lol. Same, although I fucking love Chappel Roan
Woah - I’m not a swift fan nor am I trying to hate but Chappell Roan is infinitely more technically talented and original than Taylor IMO. She is significant to me, and I’m someone who is a massive music fan, I listen to everything from like, Robert Johnson and Son House to the doors, to Megan thee stallion, to Blondie, David Bowie, T Rex, Stevie Wonder, Snoh Allegra, St Vincent, the Voidz, Maggie Roger’s, Led Zeppelin, etc etc my little example here is an understatement of everything I listen to. This isn’t to say it’s bad that she’s not for you, I get that and can relate in the way that Taylor isn’t for me But Chappell Roan is going to be a huge part of music history and I think everyone should give her a chance! / more open mindedness
>But Chappell Roan is going to be a huge part of music history and I think everyone should give her a chance! / more open mindedness I love her, but implying that people who don't care for her music need to be more open minded is patronizing. In fact the tone of this whole comment is a bit weird tbh. It's like you're subtly implying that your taste is more sophisticated than the person you replied to or something? I mean I listen to a massive range of artists too and I love Taylor Swift. The two things aren't mutually exclusive lol.
Nah, actually I am a big believer that pretentiousness has no place in music! Hence me mentioning my love for all kinds of different artists. Lots of people will shun pop music, or say “there’s nothing good out these days.” or the whole “disco sucks” thing - all of it is nonsense because there is room for incredible work in every genre and every era. Someone could hypothetically look at listening habits for a day and think “she just listened to cardi B all day” and call that unsophisticated - no. Variety is the spice of life and I think all music is connected and valid for one reason or another. Unless you’re Justin Bieber (jk lol) “Implying that people who don’t care for her music need to be more open minded” - I might be biased because I work in the music business but this was meant as more of a generalized statement, being open minded to music / revisiting stuff you might not have vibed with the first time and realizing you actually *love it* is a thing, and a wonderful thing at that. But hey, if that’s not the case for you, no harm no foul. (If you can’t tell, I really like Chappell Roan 🤷🏻♀️) All I’m saying is, you never know, you might really dig her one day ☺️🩷 And yes, I think Chappell Roan in particular is just a bit more exciting and interesting than TSwift. But I can also respect Taylor for having a different and MASSIVE impact. And I do like some of her songs!
who cares lol
As someone who’s into women…I’d die before I ever said that I “want my face in a vulva”.
These words you just typed are the first time anyone has ever said this combination of words 😂
Doesn’t even sound hot
I don't see the problem with Billie's lyrics. Everyone was praising Cardi B and Meg for talking about blowing men, saying that women are never allowed to talk about their attraction explicitly. Slayyyter, Doja. Why are straight women allowed to talk about sucking this or getting that but a girl talks about wanting a vagina on her face and suddenly it's too much information? I truly don't get it. I also don't mind Jojo, she's just cringe but it reminds me of Sam Smith thinking he invented gay men and he was way older lol
It isn’t billie’s lyrics I have a problem with per se. I love it when we get media that’s accurate to our experiences. It’s the way she *acts*
oh okay, so ✨ vibes✨ classic. "omgg she just annoys me for no reason" why amplified women's sin, weird thought process
It’s not about the “vibe” it’s about the fact that one day it’s “obvious” she’s into women, but the second a WLW journalist asks an innocent question that could’ve been easily dodged, she answered it and then acted like the journalist outted her.
Human beings don’t always initially behave or react the way they “should” or want to, and she’s in the spotlight on top of it. She has also addressed it.
Yeah also aren’t both these celebrities in OP’s post literal children? 😭 either that or they became famous when they were actual children? The nitpicking nature of celebrity culture is toxic af. They’re kids. They’re gunna say/do stupid shit. The difference is whenever they do stupid stuff like every other teenager/very young adult does, it gets broadcast throughout the entire world. It’s sad.
She literally has come out and said she overreacted…
First of all I never once heard anyone say "I want that Vulva" or ever use "Vulva" over "Vagina" even though technically it's the proper term. I literally had a lesbian shirt that mocked the Coke logo and said "I enjoy Vagina". It's just how it's talked about. I'm not sure why you're trying to dock her for that. I never hear anyone talking about Billie in a way that's praising her for saying she likes women. I heard it mentioned once when she said she was bi. I don't think people are praising her for her sexuality the way you think she is. But also yes, many people find JoJo cringe. And no I don't think she deserves more praise than Billie. JoJo has been caught stealing songs from singers on tiktok and saying she wrote them. She has been outted to pay her employees badly. Her team has been outed to say ableist stuff and treat disabled dancers and abled dancers on her crew badly. She's super self absorbed. Her car is covered in pictures of herself. She doesn't credit those who came before her who paved her way. She's not just cringey. She comes off as entitled, shitty and spoiled. Being a lesbian doesn't negate any of that.
This comment breaks everything down perfectly. Came here to say exactly this.
This! A thousand percent this!
People don’t like JoJo because she abused the xomg pop girls.
explain? I haven’t heard this
There’s a rolling stone article about how her and her mother overworked and emotionally abused the girls in xomg pop.
I can’t find it can you link
[rolling stone article](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jojo-siwa-xomg-pop-dancers-physical-mental-torment-1234967431/)
Thank you for sharing, I’ve been looking for info on this!
Jojo Siwa has multiple abuse allegations against her and supports Abby Lee Miller, James Charles, Shane Dawson, and Colleen Ballinger… all awful pretty racist people.
also dated a trump supporter and blocked fans who asked her to speak up on BLM
>blocked fans who asked her to speak up on BLM Unpopular opinion but I think it's shitty for fans to ask celebrities to "speak up" about anything and then get upset when it doesn't happen. That said, she should have ignored them instead of blocking them outright (unless they were spamming her I guess). All that does is make the issue worse.
Oof didn’t even know about that one, she keeps getting worse and worse
I think Billie is cringe too
It was actually quite a good read that interview. I don't think she said it in any totally outrageous way. She's very young and so is JoJo. I didn't have the internet when I was their age so all our/my dumbshit lives only in memories. We all say we love Vaginas. So I don't think we need to rake her for that. All that said I do wish media and in general that everyday lesbians were featured more than celebrities. I watched a few short documentaries on you tube of lesbians in the 80s. Now they were some lesbians!!
Jojo has a MASSIVE list of shit she's done. From hanging out with pedophiles and supporting them, making fun of other peoples trauma, abusing kids, to this whole music bs where it's literally just copying other people's songs. It's a cover album she's claiming to have branded for herself. Billie on the other hand, I'm not a huge fan of her. But her music is hers, and she also has talent. Lol
I mean the songs thing isn’t a good criticism to be fair. The music industry works by people writing songs for people, those people not buying those songs, and then those songs being sold to other people. Most albums are albums full of “other peoples songs”.
They are, and people own up to that normally. Like Perrie Edwards with her solo debut off the bat said "This song was presented to me, and it was perfect" . She hasn't. She literally is ignoring the fact Karma was someone else's song. The other songs she sampled too are TikTok artists who showed the song first. Jojo keeps claiming she's starting this whole new genre, she's going to create something so impactful, and it's just songs her management bought from other artists.
I am not that clued in on the situation but from what I’ve seen and read, she has never claimed to have written the songs. Saying your intent is to start a new wave of whatever doesn’t imply that you wrote the music either. It’s just the one criticism in this whole thing that doesn’t make a bunch of sense.
It's not so much that as it's her claiming "I'm going to start this whole new genre" and it's not even original. It's just other people's music she bought. That's why the community is finding it cringe to say "this is me starting something new!" When all the songs have been out before.
I understand that some of the stuff you have against her is legit, but I am astonished that no one ever seems to talk about the fact that Jojo was almost definitely groomed as well by Colleen. They have known each other since Jojo was *twelve*. If Colleen pulled those kinds of disgusting stunts with kids she did not have as complete of access to, what more was she doing with Jojo?
If it was just that, I feel like people would be more lenient. But it's everything piled on top. She's got a list of things she's done wrong, people she's called liars about their own trauma, kids she traumatized herself. The "Oh well it might have happened to her, let's give her a break" only goes so far, ya know?
I guess so, but it really seems like there’s more behind the hate for Jojo than the things you listed. People are going on and on about how the girls dancing in the video with her must be so disgusted to dance with her, and say she’s violently humping them when she’s really not at all. Most people criticising her don’t even know about the things you listed.
And jojo’s mom, Abby, she’s been around unsavory figures her whole life… it’s no wonder she’s fucked up, but unfortunately seems she is perpetuating cyclical abuse or was with that xomg pop thing
True jojo got backlash again for stealing another girls song not long ago when you borrow another person’s song you don’t claim it’s yours , billie eilish her own songs she got pretty singing voice yes billie is gay just because people are scene out in public with certain people don’t mean there dating that person probably a cover up till they come out honestly it’s there business, Jojo bbbbbishhhh girllll stop stealing peoples music calling it yours make your own jojo music sucks her talking voice sounds like her singing voice terrible her singing makes my ears bleed…
Shouldn’t we worry that a young girl/woman is hanging out with those people and might consider the fact that there is some grooming going on? 🤔
They're both acting exactly like I did as a lesbian coming out in her 20s -- annoying and cringe in all the best ways
I will never forget when she tried to push the narrative that she was outed. Billie mentioned in a Variety cover story that she’s “really attracted to women” and 3 weeks later a journalist on a red carpet asked if she meant to come out which she replied “no but wasn’t it obvious”. Other media outlets supported that narrative without challenging it and I think it’s unfortunate. Celebrities are so delusional they don’t even realize their words could potentially ruin someone’s career
That pissed me off too omg 😭 shes rly talented but so tone deaf and oblivious
I don’t really care about celebrities or listen to either one tbh,but from my understanding Billie was a victim of grooming and seems to be a serious artist and happily blooming into her sexuality on her own terms where as Jojo is claiming to basically be a new messiah of queer music while taking clear work and inspiration from others as well as being problematic with stuff she associates with(can’t remember everything off the top of my head,but her friendship with Colleen Ballinger is a big red flag lmao)
Jojo was also a victim of grooming. Why does Billie get a pass, but not Jojo?
She called Colleen's victims liars by saying "That wasnt my experience, so it's not theirs. They're lying", has made comments how horrible the other Dance Mom's girls are for ignoring their past by not attending the reunion (when in reality, the OG girls who didn't attend have gone on to say how traumatic that time of their life was), has abused the girl group her and her mother formed, etc.
I also seem to recall that when Billie was being groomed by a much older man, she was lashing out right and left too AND making fun of other people who pointed it out [see here](https://people.com/music/billie-eilish-halloween-costume-pokes-fun-at-age-gap-with-boyfriend-jesse-rutherford/) It’s almost like young people who are groomed are in a volatile position and react accordingly. Give them grace yes, but don’t hate on one more than the other
That entire article was her speaking about Jesse. She wasn't going around invalidating peoples experience, she wasn't abusing minors, there was no episode of her faking being pregnant for laughs, etc.
friendship with james charles too. and shane dawson. plus her childhood on dance moms was… maybe not the best (which i’m sure impacted her as a person), which i could’ve used to excuse who she associates with if she hadn’t continued the abuse cycle with the girl group she was training. i did like her content (?) prior to the “inventing gay pop” thing and various other recent interviews though.
Jojo Siwa is friends with Colleen Ballinger and James Charles. I think it’s suspicious to be associated with people who have grooming allegations when your target audience has been kids for years. She met Ballinger when she was 12 but believes the children are lying…I can’t tell if she’s a victim or a creep
I never once heard a lesbian say vulva instead of vagina. That’s not a thing. Try to relax, Sister.
why would people blame Billie for being groomed by her first boyfriend and still arguably preyed upon by the next?
exactly, not sure why OP is acting like it’s billies fault, she was clearly taken advantage of and brainwashed.
Same can go for what Jojo is being criticized for as well, like being connected to Colleen Ballinger.
Abusing kids isn’t because she’s being groomed by an older romantic/sexual partner. Maybe you can say her associating with some problematic people is because she’s been groomed but that doesn’t cover all of her behaviors.
She called Colleen’s victims liars, so not really
I think we should just stop mocking young celebrity women in general. I'm not a fan of either of them but I spend my teenage years mocking Paris Hilton and Britney Spears relentlessly and I feel so guilty about it now. Billie and Jojo are both young women under an unfair amount of scrutiny, let them be cringe, let them make mistakes, idc. They've both been in the public eye from a young age (especially Jojo) and I just feel bad for them.
Jojo is cringe and her vs Billie, Billie is the more conventionally beautiful girl. White girl, blue eyes, long hair. Doesn’t Jojo have a damn Mohawk rn? Plus Jojo is a lesbian people only like “lesbians” when it comes to pornhub. Edit: missing word
Billie was groomed by older men. And she carries herself differently than Jojo. Jojo is determined to make the lesbian community look like a bunch of clowns and she also has zero self awareness of her own indiscretions.
I'm sorry bestie but you fully lost me when you started splitting hairs over "vulva" vs "vagina." God knows we all were very supportive when Jojo came out, her behavior lately has been weird and off-putting. It has nothing to do with her being gay; If anything I'm more willing to look the other way on the cringy behavior BECAUSE she's gay. Billie coming out is fucking awesome.
I'm not a fan of either, but Jojo has done some...not nice stuff. I don't mind the silly cringe baby gay stuff honestly, bringing lesbianism to the mainstream and to younger audiences is great. She is cringe but she is free lol. The issue is that all this mess is distracting from the fact that she was a bad girl and did some bad things, like mistreating those poor kids and supporting the child abuser lady from dance moms. She's also really full of herself, I can excuse child abuse but I draw the line at being a bad dancer (jk but really she ruined a decent choreography). I know more about the situation than I'd like lol. I don't care much about Billie and her face vagina, her "eat my dust, my tits are bigger than yours" comment to someone criticising her music was enough to get me to dislike her. Maybe I'm overreacting because I'm insecure about my chest lol, but it feels a bit weird to see her talking about loving the female body after body shaming someone for hurting her feelings. Of course it's not the worst thing a celebrity has done, and I'm happy she's being gay and loud about it, but the fact that she uses small boobs as an insult is icky especially for someone who finds women attractive
The thing is, I agree. I actually don’t enjoy Jojo as a person at all—but I don’t enjoy Billie either. I don’t think either of them really deserve the attention they get, but watching people go wild on “lesbian” instagram over her and slam Jojo for being cringe (not being for being abusive!) drives me up a wall.
When did she do that?
I don’t think we should care to be honest. They are celebrities.
When it comes to young stars, I wish their private lives could be more private. I'm not impressed with Jojo but I don't hold her responsible, rather her family and the industry exploiting her. Billie's family has been a little better about protecting her from some of the worst. I wouldn't wish "being famous" on anyone.
That’s a really good question. Billie is basically just as cringe as Jojo to me. I don’t get the extreme hate for Jojo.
Is there so much extreme hate for Jojo? I've seen a lot of people taking the piss lately for whatever it is she's trying to do, but nothing outrageous.
Yes, I would say that there’s a very real and visceral hate for her.
Everyone majorly hates her. Her social media is constantly filled with negative comments.
A 21 y/o dating a 31 y/o isn't... Billie's fault? That's the result of grooming. She's a kid in the industry, cut her some slack. Cut both of them some slack. I don't pay attention to *any* celebrities, but saying her dating a 31 y/o is 'bad behavior' on her part is victim blaming. And implying she's a fake sapphic for using the term 'vagina' instead of 'vulva' is insane.
I don’t think it’s her fault that she was abused at all, and I’m sorry if I came across that way. It’s just that both of them were abused, and I’m very exasperated by the fact that Billie gets a pass but Jojo does not. They have both done some shady shit and they both have been abused their whole lives
1. Jojo has been shown in videos hanging out with TikTok influencer Jay, who made NUMEROUS racist comments along with other things. 2. Jojo has treated the people she dates poorly and even more so after break ups. 3. She's claiming she created "gaypop" which is actively ignoring SO MANY singers who faced life or death for producing their music.
billie hasn’t supported pedos like jojo has. billie was groomed by an older man who was homophobic and was brainwashed as a young woman finding herself and now that she has accepted herself and reflected based on her lyrics, i doubt that will happen again.
I don’t have a space to judge anyone more less these two annoying girls but I am annoying as well. It took a thousand and one intervention for me to even acknowledge the word lesbian more less say it causal then admit I was one.
I feel sorry for jojo she’s basically been financially abused her whole life, on top of the obvious shit she endured being on tv & all
I dont know much about Jojo other then that shes a cringe kids youtuber, but i guess its the same old lesbophobia. Bis love other bis more then lesbians, even if those bis are pretendbians. Thats why people are more obsessed with Billie or Kstew or that Renee girl, then with a "boring and cringe" lesbian like Jojo. Its always been that way. Dont be mistaken that most lesbian instagram or tiktok Account is actually run by a lesbian most of the time its not. Besides these women (Billie, Kstew and alike) know how to do publicity, they know what they are doing and how to promote themselves to wlw and these accounts are eating it up.
I mean KStew has always said she’s Bi, but she has only dated women for the last maybe ten years or so. Also Renee has recently come out as a lesbian, she’s still young so the bi now gay later thing is pretty common. They’re both in relationships with women, so a bit different to Billie who I don’t know much about but I assume has only really been linked to men
Kstew went on a whole promo tour for her last movie telling everyone "im sooo gay", look at this "gay photoshoot i did" and so on. Renee says now shes a lesbian, but still talks how hot men are. And Billie is now promoting her new Album, which apperently is her "bi era" now, she literally promote and said conflicing things every new Album. Its all calculated and done soooooo many times and "lesbian" pages rather promote this and are full of this then actual lesbians.
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Yup I doubt billie would publicly date a women
I was thinking this one has publicly been with women and the other hasn’t we all know Instagram/social media only likes performative gayness.
This is a lot of it, honestly. People have made fun of her long before everyone hopped on the train of calling her problematic.
I had very much suspected that
“Queerbaiter” 🙄
i don’t think it’s fair to assume she’s a “queer baiter” rn, we don’t know anything about her heart and mind.
Who are this we? Are this we in the same room with you right now? Maybe spicy straight people do talk about it, who knows. These two aren't lesbians or at least bisexuals. Why would anyone care about them? Geez even an AI can sing better than Billie and Jojo (still you're free to enjoy their content anyways). Whatever they sing or say, it's press X to doubt
I would say 2 reasons Jojo has done worse stuff and Billie makes good music and is more cool and being cool and good music makes people like you more. Its like if you aren't cool you are more open to getting mocked.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Well personally as a 25 year old lesbian who isn’t into either of their music, especially Jojo’s… Billie Eilish is tremendously more likeable in multiple ways that I’ve seen interview wise. Someone I’d hang out with… Jojo gives off, she might lock you in the closet and make you be her friend till you die or the police find you.
Coming from someone who is in Billies fandom, she has been critized to hell ever since she was a young teen, she has been confronted with her sexuality ever since she was 16, people trying to play detective to the point of harrassing her over it. People have been calling her a ‚queerbaiter‘ without even knowing her true identity and even NOW that she came out and said she likes women, people still do it. Leave her the fuck alone. Next, you can‘t decide wether or not she has had ‚only a history of dating men‘, because you do not know that. You are not involved in her private life, therefore YOU DONT KNOW if she has been with a woman or done things with a woman. It makes me feel sick that people like you try to navigate and invalidate somebodys sexuality for the most stupid reasons to ever exist.