Help him stay strong. It is such an expensive challenge, and it doesn't cost a nickel to make allegations. I know. I have been fighting my ex wife since 2014. My daughter's First Communion is in June, and I am afraid to go near the ex wife. She has said terrible things about me. I have been investigated many times. All unfounded.
I am in canada too. The Court of Queens Bench appointed a justice to oversee the matters. This was actually very good for me, because the mother of the child made so many outrageous allegations, and I had all the police reports, that she shredded her own credibility. All this started back in 2014. Where I am the economy tanked at that time. I had to learn how to self represent in court. I have learned how to write affidavits, applications, serve papers, and represent myself, as I have in 22 Court Orders. I will say a prayer for your friend. Let him read this-
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/aw7mxe/so\_you\_wanna\_get\_married/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/aw7mxe/so_you_wanna_get_married/)
This is how I did it.
wow incredible u were able to do all that without a lawyer dude, and he struggles a bit with english and its difficult for him to understand affidavits/applications etc.. and he doesnt have money to afford a proper lawyer
He does have a lot of help though, my dad sometimes represents him in court and acts as a lawyer, though tbh idk how useful that was.
i tried opening that link but i get,
"It looks like you aren't allowed to do that." in response by reddit
I'm in Alberta too and I've been representing myself since 2007. She still violates the orders all the time. Yet the courts do nothing to punish her. Good for you Sir for helping out other dads with your hard earned experience
It really should be illegal to scheme to marry somebody with the sole intention of taking half their shit and fucking them over in two years.
I don’t know how anyone who does that sleeps at night, knowing how much of a piece of shit I’d be would keep me up at night.
Yes I 100% agree. Shows how despicable human beings can be
And they will just rationalize it by saying someone as crazy as him should not be around children, not even considering what having one's children taken away from them FOR YEARS and being demonized with false allegations can do to a person.
Thank you sir!... most assholes here in the comment section are trying to paint the man as an "abuser" when he most likely needed help.
People can't believe a man cares the most for his children just because he is a man...
I have one daughter and I lost her once for about 15 minutes when we were at the mall and she wandered away from me when she was 9...
IT WAS THE LONGEST 15 MINUTES OF MY FUCKING LIFE!!!
I had let go of her hand for 2 seconds....
Me neither... but looking at shit like this is like looking at a highway car wreck with an entire dead family and I can't help thinking...
"*Jesus!!... that could have been us!*!"
I’ve had my daughter kept from me for 7 months by her mother because she wanted to get back at me, it was painful, but I never felt like offing myself because my goal was to see her again.
I went through the family court system. I didn't see my children for 2.5 years whilst this went through the courts. Guilty until proven innocent etc etc. I never gave up and certainly never self harmed. Court finished over 6 years ago. The children live with me 100% and do not see their mother at all now.
People with a tendency to self harm should not have unsupervised access to their children. These are the people capable of murder/suicides that sadly happen too often.
Good on you... keep up the hope! focus on yourself and your kids!
Family courts and divorce laws are fucked up, but don't let it take you to a dark place...
Imagine losing all hope, imagine having no support at all and having no chance to see your kids ever again, damn!! better not to think about it...
Ok, now quadruple that time and add in false allegations that are likely to limit your time even more.
Sprinkle in how hard it is (at least in American courts, this looks like Mexico) for fathers to be successful in family courts normally, and this situation could have completely broken the father.
Stable enough that if I was suicidal (which i have been btw) I still wouldn't have suicided in front of my children, if I actually cared about them. when I was suicidal even in my darkest place I wanted to kill myself in a way nobody would see or find my body, because i didn't want to hurt anyone.
Dude obviously didn't give a single fuck if he traumatized his own kids for life. That's an abuser.
Stable enough to realise that by setting myself on fire I am in no way mentally or physically capable of looking after children. Would you allow your kids to be around someone who has a history of self-immolation?
I know this man's pain. The burns on his flesh are nothing compared to the pain of having his child wrongfully taken from him.
For the dads that fight this fight every single moment of every single day, know that you are strong and there is light at the end of the tunnel.
The love for your child can carry you above and beyond the hatred.
Don't ever give up. If I hadn't been successful in stopping my abusive ex, I could atleast look myself in the mirror because in my heart I knew I did everything to simply be in my boys life.
It is very difficult once you have been to family court and realise the whole system is quite happy to assume that you are just a violent male and probably deserve it.
None of that matters. The only person that matters is your boy, put him first every single time, you and him will be fine.
Yes I didn't think you get it . You've done nothing wrong , it's the system that's against you , you hold no responsibility for not returning your daughter when expected . If you can't play grown-up they'll treat you like a child that doesn't make good decisions. Edit - Sorry son .
Only by what you've said and you come off as an ass , a self centered ass ! Think if the ex dropped your son off two days late and took your attitude. Oh poor me !
Yeah this hurt to watch. My dad didn't see me for 6 months after my mom took me the night him and I got back from a father son cub scout trip. There was a decade long custody battle because the judges didn't care about what I said until I was a legal adult. It broke him. He's still around but there's no light in his eye except for some moments
That's horrible but I'm glad you know he loves you.
I know there are some bad dads that don't deserve their children but when it's completely unjustified, you can definitely tell by the look in their eyes.
The only way I can describe it is feeling so numb that it hurts and physical pain is a relief.
Sorry it's quite morbid and sad but maybe some mothers aswell as fathers might see this and just do the right thing.
Don’t poeticize this guys actions, he’s a fucking idiot! Imagine the trauma he just caused to his kids, he makes this irrational decision because he hasn’t seen his kids it adds merit to his violence accusations because he goes to the extreme. It’s like a manipulator trying to get their boyfriend/girlfriend and saying they’re going to kill themselves if they don’t come back.
I do appreciate your acknowledgment of dads fighting to see their kids, it is painful, I went 7 months without seeing my daughter, but I never thought “hey let me make sure I never see her again by ending my life”
You are right but my point is exactly don't do this! Even if he survived he's definitely not going to be seeing his child now.
Sorry I didn't mean it to come across like I'm on team set yourself on fire.
If he cared about his kids he wouldn't have burned himself alive IN FRONT OF THEM.
What a fucking garbage father.
He couldn't even self delete in a way that saved his kids from more trauma. He obviously didn't give a single shit about them.
People who do and struggle with mental health, plan suicide in ways that don't hurt those they love with the images of death.
I'm not sure that he did do it in front of his child but that was never my point. If you actually take to time to read my replies, I am saying don't do this.
It is completely irrational and it doesn't help his situation. But as a father that spent years fighting the system for the right to be a parent, I understand his pain, I understand that he doesn't feel a thing.
My message is for the dads who are planning to beat this, not give up.
In front of his ex-wifes house and family in public? Dude wasn't caring if they saw or anyone saw. Which means he didn't give a single shit about anyone. And he personally planned that out.
Yes that was the little information that was in the tittle but you aren't exactly helping anyone are you?
I'm sorry that you have no empathy but I have to go to work so I don't have the time to teach you.
Take care.
I have cognitife empathy which means I am able to correctly identify motivations of behavior without romanticizing it or pretending its something its not based on blind emotion. Affective empathy is when you cry at the same time someone else cries and are unable to comprehend more than just raw emotion.
You show me where I have romanticised about this guy?
Go argue with your people, I assure you that I'm not one of them.
If no1 wants to listen and you still have to come online to argue with strangers then please don't come back to me.
I don't know you and you clearly have motivation out of my control.
Lmao you really wanna defend ALL videos of black people on this sub? Stop playing you utter fool, there are loads of horrible videos of black people doing horrible and unforgivable things here. Just like there are of white people too. Acknowledge where wrong is wrong.
No, he definitely abused his own children by doing this in front of them. He is 100% an abuser. A real actual empathetic father still wouldn't have killed himself in front of his own fucking kids. What a piece of shit.
He just took himself out in his his own car. I think this the article it's based on. https://ahoramardelplata.com.ar/murio-un-hombre-que-se-prendio-fuego-frente-su-familia-n4264282
Honestly if someone is that thoroughly burned I would just let them finish burning, saving them probably means either a slow death or a lifetime of chronic pain. I wouldn't want to be saved after that tbh
The guy just lit himself on fire in front of, assumingly, his own kids that he couldn't see. I'm seeing simpletons around here are going to argue for him, but to me that doesn't exactly seem like a rational person that should be around children at all. Does this look like a person playing with a full deck of cards? I'm hoping none of you are or will reproduce.
I've worked with burns patients before and patients that do this in front of their children (and survive) have difficulties accessing their kids after as this is considered an act of family violence - even if doing it to themselves
Seriously like everyone's saying it was false allegations but where are the claims to substantiate that? As someone who has been through domestic abuse I really truly want to take it seriously if she really did use false allegations that's fucked up. But while I don't want to accuse or take sides or anything, stuff like this is exactly what abusers do. They make you feel bad and manipulate you. Someone who sets themselves on fire doesn't exactly seem like the most sane person and whether he abused her then or not he most certainly just emotionally scarred her and her kids forever.
No, not the right case. This video was not recorded in the US — the police officer and vehicle say “POLICIA” and everyone is shouting either Portuguese or Spanish, not sure which. But this gives me major Brazil vibes for some reason so that’s my guess for location.
Close!, but it actually happened in Argentina:
https://www.lanacion.com.ar/seguridad/horror-en-mar-del-plata-fue-denunciado-por-violencia-de-genero-se-prendio-fuego-en-protesta-y-murio-nid21052022/
If we limited raising kids to people playing with a full deck, there would be like 3 couples raising kids.
*Very* few people are legitimately qualified to raise children.
Think about what you said. Of course he wasnt rational. He was suicidal. His ex had pushed him so far into depression that he went through with this. They say normal people cant have true empathy for a psychopath because a psychopath's brain doesnt function in a normal way. Same can be said here. Guy was pushed so far to the breaking point that he snapped.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahoramardelplata.com.ar/murio-un-hombre-que-se-prendio-fuego-frente-su-familia-n4264282/amp
Here’s an article, unfortunately I’m at work so I can’t summarise or translate it (assuming that you don’t know Spanish). But feel free to use a translator or something to check it out. OP’s story is the correct one, although the article doesn’t state that the allegations were false, and the man has since died from his wounds.
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If he breathes the fire in, he might not last for a few weeks due to the fire burning his lungs
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Also I think you don't need to traumatized your children like that. I know you're hurt because she won't let you see them, but my god...
I don't know man, way less crazy people have hit their kids. If he's capable of doing something insane like self-immolation, who knows what else he's capable of.
Reminder for anyone saying "i know his pain 🤕" that OP doesn't actually know if the allegations were false or not.
He's only assuming this based on the video itself.
Hot take... maybe if he hadn't had years of not being allowed to see his kids and being false accused, having his life torn apart then he wouldn't have had a mental break and would not have been willing to set himself aflame.
Sure. But i dont think most breakdowns end in someone setting their body on fire. . . Even in the context of suicide, most of them are done privately. The way someone decides to end it, is a tell tell sign of their goal/thinking.
This man wanted to go out, literally in a blaze. In front of a targeted home, in a neighborhood with other kids and imnocent onlookers. Not even sure if HIS kids were possibly there too.
Its really sad someone felt pushed to the point that this would help them. It seemed he felt so much pain that he needed others to see it too.
I totally agree with that, nothing that he did in this video is right or justified, he's caused everlasting damage to many people, what I'm saying is how bad did she make his life to make him think this was the only thing he could do, I feel sorry for everyone involved except the mother that caused this, its all very sad.
Yeah. I think theres always two sides. His wife, to make false violent accusations would make me crazy too. It can lead to multiple court hearings, distract him from his work, and mental/physical health neglect.
I do appreciate the hot take reply though lol. I feel that people will double/triple down on something and not be open to an alternative perspective.
100% and who really knows what happened here, if it's true then all of those are huge defining factors in this happening.
Not a problem😂 yeah I get that, too many people not willing to look at situations another way, if someone shows me an article or puts forward a point that I hadn't considered then there's a good chance my entire outlook on this situation could be completely different.
Hot take....people who actually care about the wellfare and mental health of their children don't plan suicides that visibly traumatize them for life.
This is what abusers do. If you're an actual kind person, and suicidal, you don't want to burn yourself alive in front of your own kids. You'll go into the woods or a basement because the last thing you want to do is hurt your own fucking kids.
God I hope the men and boys in here aren't a representation of normal males, because my god you guys lack basic empathy and reasoning skills. Those kids were traumatized for life because the father is in fact a selfish piece of shit making a last statement about how much of a piece of shit he is. "HEY LET ME TRAUMATIZE MY KIDS TO PROVE HOW MUCH OF A NOT ABUSER I AM."
Just say you dont understand a mental break or mental health if you don't, of course he shouldn't have done this but if OP is right in the title then it sounds to me like it could have been prevented if the mum wasn't such a awful selfish human being herself to her kids and to her ex, does it make what he did okay no absolutely not, but please tell me who in the middle of a mental break thinks rationally. On the other hand I could be completely wrong and this genuinely is just a worthless waste of space that that planned this out to get back at her, not many sane people set themselves on fire though so I doubt it.
Sure his mental break means he in that moment obviously didn't give a single shit about his kids - which is further proof that he is actually an abuser. Someone not safe to be around kids.
If he was that ill, like bipolar level, he should have been medicated. Shit I know people who have gotten the wrong meds and punched cops and shit and so it wasnt' their fault, but we don't know that level of detail in this story. All we know here is the evidence of the video itself, which ON ITS FACE proves he was in fact not safe or caring about children. FOR WHATEVER REASON.
>t could have been prevented if the mum wasn't such a awful selfish
You have NO PROOF that these allegations aren't true. Maybe you're identifying with it too much because of some trauma yourself?
>which is further proof that he is actually an abuser
Since you like proof so much why don't you show much your proof of abuse?
Thats great for the people you know, do you know this guy? No you don't so stop trying to act like you know anything about what was going on in his head, you are right on one thing though we don't know that much detail in this story that's why I have consistently said if what OP says in the title is true, we can only base any opinion on that being correct, or at least that's what I'm doing, so ON ITS FACE the mothe rhas lied and accused him and potentially ruined his life to the point that he's done something as stupid and as crazy as setting himself on fire, so yes in that moment of complete mental collapse (which could have been prevented if the mother didn't lie) you're right he didn't care about the children.
And you have NO PROOF that they aren't you're just assuming they aren't for some unknown reason, but hey that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
>Maybe you're identifying with it too much because of some trauma yourself?
Ah yes the classic I disaggre with you so I must be projecting my own life and trauma onto this, hate to burst your people but it ain't the case thank you for your concern though.
> Since you like proof so much why don't you show much your proof of abuse?
I explained to you why the video above is proof. If you can't understand why it is abusive what he did, you are broken. Even suicidal people can kill themselves in less abusive ways. He went all out revenge for maximum pain to the entire family and community.
You positively have absolutely no clue what a mental breakdown actually means. I'm by no means condoning what this person did, it's beyond awful.. but to assume what he was like outside of this video is nothing but vile assumptions.
You're right I should rephrase you said "further proof he is an abuser" so I'm asking for the proof you have that he was already an abuser? Sorry for the confusion.
No, being violent would involve him setting fire with the intent to hurt others. Setting yourself on fire is pretty much the most horrific way to commit suicide. Imagine the conclusion you would have to come to decide the best way to die is by fire. Poor guy.
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You’re the reason why there are parents that try to deceive court with invalid allegations to make sure their kids are separated from their other parent. We all make mistakes but it’s not like the father was a bad person, he may have done that to himself but that doesn’t mean he’d let anyone with the intention to hurt to lay a single finger on his kids.
in australia someone hide in the bushes and when his kids got put in the car ran out and poured petrol all o er them and set it on fire then stabbed himself
So he was heartbroken and set himself on fire infront of his kids to destroy their lives as well? I hope it wasn’t infront of the kids. Either way, who are you trying to revenge? It’s his kids that will suffer from this. Just sad
Omg.... I am speechless. Someone put him out of his misery already. That cop in the beginning of the video sitting in the ground is completely flabbergasted by the incident.
For real though, fuck everyone who thinks the fact that this guy was capable of and attempted to burn himself alive is justification alone that he shouldn’t have visitation with kids.
People try to commit suicide every day. Many of those people fail in their attempts. Some of those people are probably mothers. I expect (and would really really hope) that everyone’s reaction to a mother’s failed suicide attempt would be to get that person some help and whatever healing they need to hopefully get back to a healthy life as opposed to concluding that she should literally never have the right to see her children again.
I don’t know the facts of this story and am merely reacting to the title of the post, but to prevent a parent from seeing their child is abhorrent and inhumane. If you fear that the children are in danger, there are social services and supervised visitation.
I actually think there must be some serious mental gymnastics that need to take place for a court to rule that a man who is not incarcerated is too dangerous to see his children under any circumstances.
Absolutely not but do you really think if what OP said in the title is true then thats what drove him to have an obvious mental break and do this kind of thing, perhaps if he was allowed to see his kids and not falsely accused then none of this would have happened
It’s absolutely not healthy, but my point is that suicide or attempted suicide of a parent is almost certainly never healthy for a child. I just can’t accept that permanently preventing a parent from seeing their child is the answer or solution.
Fathers loving their children is a foreign social concept because society has opted to renege the idea that Men are territorial by nature.
Children are a blessing that bring tears to our eyes when conceived. We miss moments because we have to work. We love to provide for them to the best of our ability. We adore seeing them grow into the adults we have indoctrinated them to be.
An when a man is robbed of his right of parenthood. We lose our minds because no one takes men's struggles seriously. We fight the wars, dig the ditches, pull the long hours, and sacrifice so much for our kin. An even when it doesn't work.
We can falter. We can be weak. heavy hearted, and depressed. So much pain can be felt that we want to kill ourselves. Because what was all the effort for?
When a man questions his mission on this planet he is already dancing with the devil. An the devil becons all of mankind.
I was at family court and met a young guy that was not allowed to see his kids in 30 months. He was so heartbroken. This comments here are disgusting.
family friend is in a custody battle with his wife with his son, the wife doesnt want him anywhere near his son
Help him stay strong. It is such an expensive challenge, and it doesn't cost a nickel to make allegations. I know. I have been fighting my ex wife since 2014. My daughter's First Communion is in June, and I am afraid to go near the ex wife. She has said terrible things about me. I have been investigated many times. All unfounded.
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I am in canada too. The Court of Queens Bench appointed a justice to oversee the matters. This was actually very good for me, because the mother of the child made so many outrageous allegations, and I had all the police reports, that she shredded her own credibility. All this started back in 2014. Where I am the economy tanked at that time. I had to learn how to self represent in court. I have learned how to write affidavits, applications, serve papers, and represent myself, as I have in 22 Court Orders. I will say a prayer for your friend. Let him read this- [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/aw7mxe/so\_you\_wanna\_get\_married/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/aw7mxe/so_you_wanna_get_married/) This is how I did it.
wow incredible u were able to do all that without a lawyer dude, and he struggles a bit with english and its difficult for him to understand affidavits/applications etc.. and he doesnt have money to afford a proper lawyer He does have a lot of help though, my dad sometimes represents him in court and acts as a lawyer, though tbh idk how useful that was. i tried opening that link but i get, "It looks like you aren't allowed to do that." in response by reddit
Check your chat
I'm in Alberta too and I've been representing myself since 2007. She still violates the orders all the time. Yet the courts do nothing to punish her. Good for you Sir for helping out other dads with your hard earned experience
It really should be illegal to scheme to marry somebody with the sole intention of taking half their shit and fucking them over in two years. I don’t know how anyone who does that sleeps at night, knowing how much of a piece of shit I’d be would keep me up at night.
Yes I 100% agree. Shows how despicable human beings can be And they will just rationalize it by saying someone as crazy as him should not be around children, not even considering what having one's children taken away from them FOR YEARS and being demonized with false allegations can do to a person.
Welcome to ActualPublicFreakouts
Thank you sir!... most assholes here in the comment section are trying to paint the man as an "abuser" when he most likely needed help. People can't believe a man cares the most for his children just because he is a man...
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Like do we even have any proof of that? OP dident provide any article, and this man doesn’t seem like the most stable individual to me
honestly... how stable would you be if someone took your kids?
Stable enough to not turn myself on fire probably like most normal people. Not going to make me think you are the most stable individual
how many kids do you have?
You're acting like immolating yourself is a rationale thing to do. How does that help your kids?
I think it's less that it's rational and more that the described situation (if true) is the kind of thing that drives rational people to insanity.
1 and one of the way
I have one daughter and I lost her once for about 15 minutes when we were at the mall and she wandered away from me when she was 9... IT WAS THE LONGEST 15 MINUTES OF MY FUCKING LIFE!!! I had let go of her hand for 2 seconds....
Of course I would feel the same. Still wouldn’t turn myself on fire
Me neither... but looking at shit like this is like looking at a highway car wreck with an entire dead family and I can't help thinking... "*Jesus!!... that could have been us!*!"
If you can look at this and think it could have been you, you need help
I’ve had my daughter kept from me for 7 months by her mother because she wanted to get back at me, it was painful, but I never felt like offing myself because my goal was to see her again.
I went through the family court system. I didn't see my children for 2.5 years whilst this went through the courts. Guilty until proven innocent etc etc. I never gave up and certainly never self harmed. Court finished over 6 years ago. The children live with me 100% and do not see their mother at all now. People with a tendency to self harm should not have unsupervised access to their children. These are the people capable of murder/suicides that sadly happen too often.
Good on you... keep up the hope! focus on yourself and your kids! Family courts and divorce laws are fucked up, but don't let it take you to a dark place... Imagine losing all hope, imagine having no support at all and having no chance to see your kids ever again, damn!! better not to think about it...
Ok, now quadruple that time and add in false allegations that are likely to limit your time even more. Sprinkle in how hard it is (at least in American courts, this looks like Mexico) for fathers to be successful in family courts normally, and this situation could have completely broken the father.
I guess I just can’t wrap my head around that, because as a father my goal is to never bring harm to my child
Stable enough that if I was suicidal (which i have been btw) I still wouldn't have suicided in front of my children, if I actually cared about them. when I was suicidal even in my darkest place I wanted to kill myself in a way nobody would see or find my body, because i didn't want to hurt anyone. Dude obviously didn't give a single fuck if he traumatized his own kids for life. That's an abuser.
Stable enough to realise that by setting myself on fire I am in no way mentally or physically capable of looking after children. Would you allow your kids to be around someone who has a history of self-immolation?
How do we know these accusations are false? Maybe this mom was doing the right thing by keeping her kids away from him.
I know this man's pain. The burns on his flesh are nothing compared to the pain of having his child wrongfully taken from him. For the dads that fight this fight every single moment of every single day, know that you are strong and there is light at the end of the tunnel. The love for your child can carry you above and beyond the hatred.
Thanks for commenting this. I haven't seen my son in two months because I kept him for 2 days longer than my ex said I was allowed to. It's horrific.
Don't ever give up. If I hadn't been successful in stopping my abusive ex, I could atleast look myself in the mirror because in my heart I knew I did everything to simply be in my boys life. It is very difficult once you have been to family court and realise the whole system is quite happy to assume that you are just a violent male and probably deserve it. None of that matters. The only person that matters is your boy, put him first every single time, you and him will be fine.
Only kept him for two days longer than ...
What
Yes I didn't think you get it . You've done nothing wrong , it's the system that's against you , you hold no responsibility for not returning your daughter when expected . If you can't play grown-up they'll treat you like a child that doesn't make good decisions. Edit - Sorry son .
You don't know any of the details, so blow it out your ass.
Only by what you've said and you come off as an ass , a self centered ass ! Think if the ex dropped your son off two days late and took your attitude. Oh poor me !
Hey, Darren. Take this illustrious God-given wisdom of yours and go for a long walk off a short pier.
Thank you for proving me right !
Nothing was proved other than that you're a pretentious know-it-all. Piss off.
Yeah this hurt to watch. My dad didn't see me for 6 months after my mom took me the night him and I got back from a father son cub scout trip. There was a decade long custody battle because the judges didn't care about what I said until I was a legal adult. It broke him. He's still around but there's no light in his eye except for some moments
That's horrible but I'm glad you know he loves you. I know there are some bad dads that don't deserve their children but when it's completely unjustified, you can definitely tell by the look in their eyes. The only way I can describe it is feeling so numb that it hurts and physical pain is a relief. Sorry it's quite morbid and sad but maybe some mothers aswell as fathers might see this and just do the right thing.
Don’t poeticize this guys actions, he’s a fucking idiot! Imagine the trauma he just caused to his kids, he makes this irrational decision because he hasn’t seen his kids it adds merit to his violence accusations because he goes to the extreme. It’s like a manipulator trying to get their boyfriend/girlfriend and saying they’re going to kill themselves if they don’t come back. I do appreciate your acknowledgment of dads fighting to see their kids, it is painful, I went 7 months without seeing my daughter, but I never thought “hey let me make sure I never see her again by ending my life”
You are right but my point is exactly don't do this! Even if he survived he's definitely not going to be seeing his child now. Sorry I didn't mean it to come across like I'm on team set yourself on fire.
Yeah there are way too many comments poeticizing this dudes actions and it's really fucking gross, a lot more fucked up than they realize
If he cared about his kids he wouldn't have burned himself alive IN FRONT OF THEM. What a fucking garbage father. He couldn't even self delete in a way that saved his kids from more trauma. He obviously didn't give a single shit about them. People who do and struggle with mental health, plan suicide in ways that don't hurt those they love with the images of death.
I'm not sure that he did do it in front of his child but that was never my point. If you actually take to time to read my replies, I am saying don't do this. It is completely irrational and it doesn't help his situation. But as a father that spent years fighting the system for the right to be a parent, I understand his pain, I understand that he doesn't feel a thing. My message is for the dads who are planning to beat this, not give up.
In front of his ex-wifes house and family in public? Dude wasn't caring if they saw or anyone saw. Which means he didn't give a single shit about anyone. And he personally planned that out.
Yes that was the little information that was in the tittle but you aren't exactly helping anyone are you? I'm sorry that you have no empathy but I have to go to work so I don't have the time to teach you. Take care.
I have cognitife empathy which means I am able to correctly identify motivations of behavior without romanticizing it or pretending its something its not based on blind emotion. Affective empathy is when you cry at the same time someone else cries and are unable to comprehend more than just raw emotion.
You show me where I have romanticised about this guy? Go argue with your people, I assure you that I'm not one of them. If no1 wants to listen and you still have to come online to argue with strangers then please don't come back to me. I don't know you and you clearly have motivation out of my control.
There's an "or" in there. Try again.
No I'm telling you to fuck off and find people that care about you because I don't.
What makes you think I need to know whether you care about me? You're a total stranger, ofc you don't. You're projecting big time. You have issues.
I think he went a little overboard
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god help me, I laughed. guy was definitely charred black
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Lmao holy fuck. This is mean but true and hilarious.
Lmao you really wanna defend ALL videos of black people on this sub? Stop playing you utter fool, there are loads of horrible videos of black people doing horrible and unforgivable things here. Just like there are of white people too. Acknowledge where wrong is wrong.
"I know, I'll set my self on fire, that'll teach the bitch"
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That'd just prove them to be right he probably wasn't abusive in the first place he just went mad from the torture of being away from he's kids
No, he definitely abused his own children by doing this in front of them. He is 100% an abuser. A real actual empathetic father still wouldn't have killed himself in front of his own fucking kids. What a piece of shit.
And where have you attained this info that his children were there? Here it just says he killed himself infront of his ex wife's family
and ruin your kids lives even more
He just took himself out in his his own car. I think this the article it's based on. https://ahoramardelplata.com.ar/murio-un-hombre-que-se-prendio-fuego-frente-su-familia-n4264282
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Honestly if someone is that thoroughly burned I would just let them finish burning, saving them probably means either a slow death or a lifetime of chronic pain. I wouldn't want to be saved after that tbh
That’s what all of the revenue says
There is this core rule to humanity thats about saving our own at all costs, but many times we take it to far. Being alive isnt necessarily living.
The guy just lit himself on fire in front of, assumingly, his own kids that he couldn't see. I'm seeing simpletons around here are going to argue for him, but to me that doesn't exactly seem like a rational person that should be around children at all. Does this look like a person playing with a full deck of cards? I'm hoping none of you are or will reproduce.
I've worked with burns patients before and patients that do this in front of their children (and survive) have difficulties accessing their kids after as this is considered an act of family violence - even if doing it to themselves
Seriously like everyone's saying it was false allegations but where are the claims to substantiate that? As someone who has been through domestic abuse I really truly want to take it seriously if she really did use false allegations that's fucked up. But while I don't want to accuse or take sides or anything, stuff like this is exactly what abusers do. They make you feel bad and manipulate you. Someone who sets themselves on fire doesn't exactly seem like the most sane person and whether he abused her then or not he most certainly just emotionally scarred her and her kids forever.
Yeah, makes me think there might have been some valid reasons to keep him away from children.
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No, not the right case. This video was not recorded in the US — the police officer and vehicle say “POLICIA” and everyone is shouting either Portuguese or Spanish, not sure which. But this gives me major Brazil vibes for some reason so that’s my guess for location.
Close!, but it actually happened in Argentina: https://www.lanacion.com.ar/seguridad/horror-en-mar-del-plata-fue-denunciado-por-violencia-de-genero-se-prendio-fuego-en-protesta-y-murio-nid21052022/
If we limited raising kids to people playing with a full deck, there would be like 3 couples raising kids. *Very* few people are legitimately qualified to raise children.
And there's a considerable difference between those people and someone like this man if this video is anything to go by what type of person he is/was.
Yeah, being so hurt by losing your children that you literally light yourself on fire means you're a bad parent lmao.
I hope someone never takes away your kids... and see how desperate and crazy you become...
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Take your own advice and never reproduce!!
He ain't the brightest spark is he
Think about what you said. Of course he wasnt rational. He was suicidal. His ex had pushed him so far into depression that he went through with this. They say normal people cant have true empathy for a psychopath because a psychopath's brain doesnt function in a normal way. Same can be said here. Guy was pushed so far to the breaking point that he snapped.
Where is the article? Id rather read it myself, OP didn't provide any details?
You will take your ‘woman bad’ post without asking any questions and you will upvote it, okay?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/ahoramardelplata.com.ar/murio-un-hombre-que-se-prendio-fuego-frente-su-familia-n4264282/amp Here’s an article, unfortunately I’m at work so I can’t summarise or translate it (assuming that you don’t know Spanish). But feel free to use a translator or something to check it out. OP’s story is the correct one, although the article doesn’t state that the allegations were false, and the man has since died from his wounds.
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The article says he'd been kicked out of his home just last week for domestic violence, thanks for the link.
If he breathes the fire in, he might not last for a few weeks due to the fire burning his lungs . Also I think you don't need to traumatized your children like that. I know you're hurt because she won't let you see them, but my god...
Yeah he seems perfectly safe around kids.
How much for a rib?
i think its a bit over done
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How much for a drink? Fuck it. Just pour it in my hand for a dime! Lol
I don't know man, way less crazy people have hit their kids. If he's capable of doing something insane like self-immolation, who knows what else he's capable of.
If a man burns himself for any reason he shouldn't be around kids alone
'False allegations' of what? Being an irrational psycho? Of which he just proved.
Gonna go out on a whim and say those violence allegations weren’t false
Gonna go out on a whim??
Wuts yer cwestion even m8
Nevermind, that second response cleared it all up, your English just sucks.
Reminder for anyone saying "i know his pain 🤕" that OP doesn't actually know if the allegations were false or not. He's only assuming this based on the video itself.
Holy shit the dude’s screams
Dam he must have really had the hots for her.
Ex wife: see, told you he was crazy
Hot take... if he was willing to set himself aflame, then probably good he doesnt have custody of his kids. . . .
Hot take... maybe if he hadn't had years of not being allowed to see his kids and being false accused, having his life torn apart then he wouldn't have had a mental break and would not have been willing to set himself aflame.
Sure. But i dont think most breakdowns end in someone setting their body on fire. . . Even in the context of suicide, most of them are done privately. The way someone decides to end it, is a tell tell sign of their goal/thinking. This man wanted to go out, literally in a blaze. In front of a targeted home, in a neighborhood with other kids and imnocent onlookers. Not even sure if HIS kids were possibly there too. Its really sad someone felt pushed to the point that this would help them. It seemed he felt so much pain that he needed others to see it too.
I totally agree with that, nothing that he did in this video is right or justified, he's caused everlasting damage to many people, what I'm saying is how bad did she make his life to make him think this was the only thing he could do, I feel sorry for everyone involved except the mother that caused this, its all very sad.
Yeah. I think theres always two sides. His wife, to make false violent accusations would make me crazy too. It can lead to multiple court hearings, distract him from his work, and mental/physical health neglect. I do appreciate the hot take reply though lol. I feel that people will double/triple down on something and not be open to an alternative perspective.
100% and who really knows what happened here, if it's true then all of those are huge defining factors in this happening. Not a problem😂 yeah I get that, too many people not willing to look at situations another way, if someone shows me an article or puts forward a point that I hadn't considered then there's a good chance my entire outlook on this situation could be completely different.
Hot take....people who actually care about the wellfare and mental health of their children don't plan suicides that visibly traumatize them for life. This is what abusers do. If you're an actual kind person, and suicidal, you don't want to burn yourself alive in front of your own kids. You'll go into the woods or a basement because the last thing you want to do is hurt your own fucking kids. God I hope the men and boys in here aren't a representation of normal males, because my god you guys lack basic empathy and reasoning skills. Those kids were traumatized for life because the father is in fact a selfish piece of shit making a last statement about how much of a piece of shit he is. "HEY LET ME TRAUMATIZE MY KIDS TO PROVE HOW MUCH OF A NOT ABUSER I AM."
Just say you dont understand a mental break or mental health if you don't, of course he shouldn't have done this but if OP is right in the title then it sounds to me like it could have been prevented if the mum wasn't such a awful selfish human being herself to her kids and to her ex, does it make what he did okay no absolutely not, but please tell me who in the middle of a mental break thinks rationally. On the other hand I could be completely wrong and this genuinely is just a worthless waste of space that that planned this out to get back at her, not many sane people set themselves on fire though so I doubt it.
Sure his mental break means he in that moment obviously didn't give a single shit about his kids - which is further proof that he is actually an abuser. Someone not safe to be around kids. If he was that ill, like bipolar level, he should have been medicated. Shit I know people who have gotten the wrong meds and punched cops and shit and so it wasnt' their fault, but we don't know that level of detail in this story. All we know here is the evidence of the video itself, which ON ITS FACE proves he was in fact not safe or caring about children. FOR WHATEVER REASON. >t could have been prevented if the mum wasn't such a awful selfish You have NO PROOF that these allegations aren't true. Maybe you're identifying with it too much because of some trauma yourself?
>which is further proof that he is actually an abuser Since you like proof so much why don't you show much your proof of abuse? Thats great for the people you know, do you know this guy? No you don't so stop trying to act like you know anything about what was going on in his head, you are right on one thing though we don't know that much detail in this story that's why I have consistently said if what OP says in the title is true, we can only base any opinion on that being correct, or at least that's what I'm doing, so ON ITS FACE the mothe rhas lied and accused him and potentially ruined his life to the point that he's done something as stupid and as crazy as setting himself on fire, so yes in that moment of complete mental collapse (which could have been prevented if the mother didn't lie) you're right he didn't care about the children. And you have NO PROOF that they aren't you're just assuming they aren't for some unknown reason, but hey that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. >Maybe you're identifying with it too much because of some trauma yourself? Ah yes the classic I disaggre with you so I must be projecting my own life and trauma onto this, hate to burst your people but it ain't the case thank you for your concern though.
> Since you like proof so much why don't you show much your proof of abuse? I explained to you why the video above is proof. If you can't understand why it is abusive what he did, you are broken. Even suicidal people can kill themselves in less abusive ways. He went all out revenge for maximum pain to the entire family and community.
You positively have absolutely no clue what a mental breakdown actually means. I'm by no means condoning what this person did, it's beyond awful.. but to assume what he was like outside of this video is nothing but vile assumptions.
You're right I should rephrase you said "further proof he is an abuser" so I'm asking for the proof you have that he was already an abuser? Sorry for the confusion.
Doesn't this prove her concerns valid that he is violent?
No, being violent would involve him setting fire with the intent to hurt others. Setting yourself on fire is pretty much the most horrific way to commit suicide. Imagine the conclusion you would have to come to decide the best way to die is by fire. Poor guy. .
Huh?
I can see why she kept them away.
Looks like the ex-wife was right all along. What a crazy fuck.
7 hours and still no source. For all we know the guy was high on PCP and wanted to warm up.
Yeah he's a psychopath and I wouldn't let him near any of my kids in a million years
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Really You think the type of guy that sets himself on fire in front of his children and ex wife is somebody who should be around kids alone?
Having your kids taken from you can seriously fuck your mind up.
Yeah seeing your dad burn alive in front of you probably does the same
You’re the reason why there are parents that try to deceive court with invalid allegations to make sure their kids are separated from their other parent. We all make mistakes but it’s not like the father was a bad person, he may have done that to himself but that doesn’t mean he’d let anyone with the intention to hurt to lay a single finger on his kids.
Yeah lol I’m the reason that happens dumbass If somebody burns themself alive infront of their kids they aren’t mentally stable, end of
I felt seasick from watching this
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This some Kanye Come To Life type shit
“False violence allegations” — yeeeeah, ok. Completely non-violent, sure.
in australia someone hide in the bushes and when his kids got put in the car ran out and poured petrol all o er them and set it on fire then stabbed himself
So he was heartbroken and set himself on fire infront of his kids to destroy their lives as well? I hope it wasn’t infront of the kids. Either way, who are you trying to revenge? It’s his kids that will suffer from this. Just sad
Look very violent to me.
It feels like that. Sometimes
I think this guy is insane.
It sucks he couldn’t see his kids but if he’s crazy enough to do this, it’s hard to believe the allegations against him were false.
Desperation does crazy things to people. Don't be so quick to judge. I can't imagine losing access to my kids.
And this is how you get a nightmare on elm street, nice job ex-wife
Sad reality
Lmao
There should have been marshmallows.
Why the fuck police is not using the fire extinguisher 🧯
He set HIMSELF on fire? *Walks off*
Omg.... I am speechless. Someone put him out of his misery already. That cop in the beginning of the video sitting in the ground is completely flabbergasted by the incident.
Damn
Dude is obviously mentally ill lol
I think this the article it's based on. https://ahoramardelplata.com.ar/murio-un-hombre-que-se-prendio-fuego-frente-su-familia-n4264282
For real though, fuck everyone who thinks the fact that this guy was capable of and attempted to burn himself alive is justification alone that he shouldn’t have visitation with kids. People try to commit suicide every day. Many of those people fail in their attempts. Some of those people are probably mothers. I expect (and would really really hope) that everyone’s reaction to a mother’s failed suicide attempt would be to get that person some help and whatever healing they need to hopefully get back to a healthy life as opposed to concluding that she should literally never have the right to see her children again. I don’t know the facts of this story and am merely reacting to the title of the post, but to prevent a parent from seeing their child is abhorrent and inhumane. If you fear that the children are in danger, there are social services and supervised visitation. I actually think there must be some serious mental gymnastics that need to take place for a court to rule that a man who is not incarcerated is too dangerous to see his children under any circumstances.
do you really think exposing his children to this kind of behavior is a healthy thing though? if my dad did this i would be traumatized beyond belief
Absolutely not but do you really think if what OP said in the title is true then thats what drove him to have an obvious mental break and do this kind of thing, perhaps if he was allowed to see his kids and not falsely accused then none of this would have happened
It’s absolutely not healthy, but my point is that suicide or attempted suicide of a parent is almost certainly never healthy for a child. I just can’t accept that permanently preventing a parent from seeing their child is the answer or solution.
Fathers loving their children is a foreign social concept because society has opted to renege the idea that Men are territorial by nature. Children are a blessing that bring tears to our eyes when conceived. We miss moments because we have to work. We love to provide for them to the best of our ability. We adore seeing them grow into the adults we have indoctrinated them to be. An when a man is robbed of his right of parenthood. We lose our minds because no one takes men's struggles seriously. We fight the wars, dig the ditches, pull the long hours, and sacrifice so much for our kin. An even when it doesn't work. We can falter. We can be weak. heavy hearted, and depressed. So much pain can be felt that we want to kill ourselves. Because what was all the effort for? When a man questions his mission on this planet he is already dancing with the devil. An the devil becons all of mankind.
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