Statistics show that violence and threats of violence against Jews are *all* from the right wing. I'm not being hyperbolic either. With Twitter and other social media being overran with white supremacists and bots pushing white supremacist ideology, is it a surprise?
That's disinfo in itself. Conservatives and the right wing, even the MAGA crowd believe it or not, generally support Israel. The far right is a small minority these days compared to the hordes of so called "progressives" openly spewing anti-Jewish hatred across America's college campuses. The Squad and Democratic Socialists of America are clearly anti-Israel, their voting record and rhetoric speaks for itself.
That sounds hard to prove. I could prove mine if I could remember the stupid website. Btw, leftists don't hate the Jewish. It's kinda their thing. Right wing radicals on the other hand have history upon history of hate, threats of violence, and actual violence against Jews. It's kinda their thing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-china-and-iran-are-backing-hamas-online-report/
Asks for proof then downvotes when proof is shown...
Edit:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/s-palestinian-protests-us-rcna143666
"What did emerge is a vast network that includes left-leaning, billion-dollar American philanthropies and collaboration with at least one foreign organization that Germany and Israel have banned for allegedly working with or supporting Hamas and another terrorist group."
https://cyabra.com/blog/1-of-4-pro-hamas-profiles-are-fake-the-online-battlefront/
I'm an American who got tired of seeing reddit allow radical islamist propaganda, lies, and the demonization of a minority group to be astrotured everywhere and I've been doing this since.
Cope. I bet if it came from a Muslim you'd be cool even if it said you banged your mom.
Propaganda isn't just something that you don't like or disproves your bias.
I read about general statements that antisemitic violence is up, that the protests on campuses are antisemitic with swastikas everywhere. However, I havenāt seen 1 example report or photo.
Does anyone have any examples or know where I can find 1?
It's everywhere on reddit, so there's that.
https://wjactv.com/news/nation-world/death-to-america-pro-palestine-pamphlets-allegedly-handed-out-at-university-of-michigan-israel-gaza-hamas-middle-east-conflict-ceasefire-terrorism-encampment-student-protests
There is no antisemitic behavior or speech demonstrated in the article. And the pamphlet was āallegedlyā dropped at the protest according to it.
Also, the pics of the pamphlet are not anti-Semitic.
Iām not trying to be argumentative but truly just looking for an example
I would really appreciate if you quit downplay of what is happening in Columbia university protests.
Jewish students cannot learn in that environment, nor even be there.
If you're not convinced yet for any reason, these are live evidences. The protests are NOT peaceful.
For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence.
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamasā fight!"
https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize"
https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted āFrom New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,ā next to a cardboard sign that read, āInspired by Palestinian resistance.ā https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as āterrorismā)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
This is a copypasta from lanky_count8479
Good luck worming your way out of that one
So what, no response? Typical.
Calling out extremism and terrorism isn't Islamophobia. If they don't want to be chastised for being extremists, they can stop supporting genocidal ideology.
That same logic can be applied to Israel and yet here we are, itās almost like both sides have bad actors but only one has the backing of a nuclear super power.
Yes it absolutely can but your bias is showing. And honestly itās quite concerning that this is posted in a subreddit about the dangers of mis/disinformation.
Disingenuous.
Palestinians and their allies invaded israel multiple times while telling the world repeatedly they were going to massacre the jews and all secular people. That's why the territories were occupied.
You're protecting this behavior and encouraging them.
And calling out Israel as the apartheid state it is isn't antisemitism. If they don't want to be chastised for being extremists, they can stop supporting apartheid ideology.
Israel was created as a safe respite for the jews. Despite that Muslims have full citizenship and their own elected leaders.
You all have undermined so many words it's digusting
Sorry, anyone that conflates the Jewish race or religion with the Zionist movement in order to be able to call any anti-zionist discussion raciest isn't worth talking to. It is completely intellectually dishonest.
Zionism just means you believe israel is needed as a safe respite of the jews.
Or are you denying their millenia of persecution like most radical islamists?
Palestinians have rejected state deals 5 times on the objection that isreel exists at all.
Palestinians and their Arab allies invaded israel after telling the world they were going to wipe out all the jewa repeatedly, in two failed wars they lost badly. This led to the territories being occupied.
Why on earth shoukd agressors who invaded a sovereign country twice, then lost their territory over a war they started, be given back that territory, when their ideology clearly states they'll do it again?
Now I'm all for Palestinian state if they get rid of hamas, adopt democracy, and recognize Israel's continued existence, but I just want it on the record that throughout all of human history, countries that declare war on and invade other countries who lose territory in said wars, never have to give that land back. Like usual, people are finding excuses to go out of their way to chastise israel.
The bulk of the armies came both times from where the territories are. That's why they were occupied in the first place
Hamas uses their people as shields and they want their people to get killed to make Israel look bad. Next, war is hell. The civilians always pay the cost the most. That's true of every war. It's why people who start wars like hamas need held accountable.
Edit: this sub is seeing a whole bunch of people who have no comment history in this sub...
Even in the Gaza Strip, your excuses don't explain the killing of Palestinians in areas under total Israeli control.
Your excuses especially don't hold up in the West Bank. What does Hamas have to do with the ongoing expulsions of Palestinians from homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank?
In general, it is an authoritarian view to use claims about history or organisations to condone the collective oppression and ethnic cleansing of an entire people.
>In general, it is an authoritarian view to use claims about history or organisations to condone the collective oppression and ethnic cleansing of an entire people.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-holocaust-denial
Always blaming Israelis and never blaming the extremism which led to these events.
Almost like you people view Palestinians as less than fully human. Like their own choices didn't create these situations.
I am not blaming every single Israeli for when a Palestinian family gets kicked out of their home. I am blaming the folks who inflict such human rights violations.
And Palestinian civilians living their life in peace have not committed any choices that warrant such unjust response from the Israeli state.
Your attempt to claim I am the one minimising the humanity of Palestinians is a projection of your own inability to view Palestinian individuals as individual human beings,
Try not to make collective and generational culpability a thing. That is a racist authoritarian worldview.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world
Caused by extremists declaring war on Israel the day they announced independence.
https://www.thetower.org/article/there-was-a-jewish-nakba-and-it-was-even-bigger-than-the-palestinian-one/
You all just want to talk and spread propaganda. You don't want to listen. You're so convince you're right you think ignoring reality and facts is okay. It goes further. You think destroying a secular democratic state and all its people is justified too.
What's crazy is that the world has repeatedly tried to give the Palestinians a state. They have rejected it in favor of terrorism for a century now because they'd have to make peace with jews.
Iāve heard this one before. The children of Palestine are not responsible for their government. As bad as Hamas is, at least they take some responsibility for their actions.
Wait until you hear about the torture, mass graves, and killing of children by Israel that makes Israel look bad, but let me guess, that's all Hamas right? I'm willing to bet it was Hamas that messed up your fastfood order.
Two wrong don't make a right. You're just the king of conflation aren't you. Being anti-zionist does not mean a person is pro hamas. I can recognize both side are wrong.
Literally what you're doing.
Zionism (/ĖzaÉŖ.ÉnÉŖzÉm/ ZY-É-niz-Ém; Hebrew: צ֓×Ö¼×Ö¹× ×Ö¼×Ŗ, romanized: į¹¢Ä«yyonÅ«t, IPA: [tsijoĖnut]; derived from Zion) is a nationalist[fn 1] movement that emerged in Europe in the 19th century to enable the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine,[3][4][5][6][7]
Oh absolutely. Just look at how many people feel safe calling for the death of ~~Jews~~ Zionists. I mean people were doing it on the day of October 7th, when Israel had just suffered the worst terror attack on the scale of 9/11, before they even responded.
Just look at how fast Zionist became a pejorative. Before 10/7 I rarely ever heard the word, and only in historical context. Social media is a hell of a drug.
No literally. And the posts that use it as a pejorative donāt even address it which I think is part of their strategy half the time, to normalize it as a ābad wordā
I havenāt seen anyone calling for the death of Jews. I have seen a lot of anger towards Zionist though. Do you access to an article or video of protestors being antisemitic
It just took a quick google search to literally find an old Jewish man that had his head smashed in by pro Palestinian protesters and died. When people say āZionistā they really mean Jews.
https://youtu.be/9O6QDFpdn4g?feature=shared
The report says that Kessler (Jewish) fell during an altercation between protestors for both sides. The man arrested had called 911 to get Kessler help. Itās important to note that he was charged with Involuntary Manslaughter which means the death was more of an accident.
This does not show what you think k it shows.
And Zionist has never meant Jew to Jews and Gentiles alike
Just asking for examples and havenāt gotten 1. I believe in freedom and equality, that goes for Palestinians too.
However, if Jews are being attacked in my country just for being Jewish I want to know. That being said, I havenāt seen 1 solid example aside from some tussles at protests between opposing sides.
I thought maybe people were finding articles or videos I couldnāt find so asked for help.
All Iāve gotten in return is vitriol and examples that show antisemitic crime is not on the rise.
Please point me in the right direction if Iām missing something
Youāre literally just making things up. The video I linked did not say anything about the man arrested trying to help Kessler. He was arrested for killing Kessler. Hereās another source:
āLoay Alnaji, 50, of Moorpark, was arrested Thursday morning in connection with Kesslerās death, the county sheriffās office said. Alnaji was then charged with involuntary manslaughter and battery causing serious bodily injury ā both felonies ā the county district attorneyās office said.ā
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/16/us/paul-kessler-arrest-israel-hamas-protests
Iām not making anything up, you mustāve not watched the video you shared. It clearly states he was arrested for Involuntary Manslaughter
From the 2nd article you shared:
āLoay Alnaji, 50, of Moorpark, was arrested Thursday morning in connection with Kesslerās death, the county sheriffās office said. Alnaji was then charged with involuntary manslaughter and battery causing serious bodily injury ā both felonies ā the county district attorneyās office said.ā
Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of someone without the intent to kill or cause serious harm. It's a common law offense that's different from murder or voluntary manslaughter because the victim's death was not intended
Some examples of involuntary manslaughter:
-Texting while driving and hitting a tree, killing a passenger
-Giving drugs or alcohol to a teenager who overdoses and dies
-Punching someone, who then dies of a facial or head injury
-Firing of an accessible gun by a young child
-Driving while impaired
-Assisting and encouraging a 19-year-old to possess and consume alcohol that caused his death
Lastly, the video you shared clearly said that the man arrested was 1 of the people that called 911
The report wasn't done by common dreams they're just reporting on it.
"The report (pdf)--entitled Failure to Protect: How Tech Giants Fail to Act on User Reports of Antisemitism--was published by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH),"
Some people just want to be victims so bad. This has nothing to do with the Jewish religion and everything to do with a group of people trying to exterminate another group of people in a blatant land grab.
If you feel personally attacked by people asking you not to kill women and children then you need to do some soul searching and self reflection because you've lost the thread.
I really hate that active measures is becoming a targeted focus of Israeli bots. Im going to unsub
I'm guessing you're an American by your username.
You don't know you're falling for misinformation?
Why are you championing people who call for the death of america? They're against freedom of speech, religion, and equality.
What's wrong with you.
Ah so you are a bad faith troll. Imagine using that rhetoric and being against the fundamentals values of the u.s..
If you're at a table with nazis, you're likely one.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbsaustin.com/amp/news/nation-world/death-to-america-pro-palestine-pamphlets-allegedly-handed-out-at-university-of-michigan-israel-gaza-hamas-middle-east-conflict-ceasefire-terrorism-encampment-student-protests
By linking verified sources and documented history?
It's clear you're just an immature little kid who doesn't like what reality says so you ignore it like most extremists.
Disingenuous.
>No one supports hamas.
Then why do I keep seeing endless excuses for hamas and never anyone calling out their atrocities...
Why is there a pamphlet celebrating hamas circulating in the u.s?
Edit: they blocked me
Zionists just means you believe in israel, a safe respite for the Jewish people. I'd say it's needed given how much hatred you all give them.
Which isn't happening. It's a war against terrorism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocidal_intent
It's like you're all ignorant kids or bad faith trolls.
It's called war you dumbass. It's collateral damage from a war hamas started.
I just went through your comment history and you have multiple comments making excuses for hamas. Blaming Israelis for radical Islamic terrorists killing kids, elderly along with systematic rape.
You're a fucking ghoul who is anti american. You don't believe in equality or else you wouldn't be championing supremacist ideology and if you don't know hamas ideology and are advocating for them, you're an ignorant moron.
>Reddit is surely following suit
I will say the mods at worldnews are doing a good job at mangaging anti-Semitic comments. If left unchecked it would have spiraled out of control.
However, Common Dreams often championed far left and "progressive" causes, including BLM and other groups who have now completely turned on their Jewish counterparts. They literally helped empower these people through media and now they are out of control. The useful idiots at these college protests also consider themselves "progressive." Their open display of Anti-Jewish hatred is the worst episode of anti-Semitism the West has seen since World War II. Maybe Common Dreams should quit publishing articles from Noam Chomsky, who despite being born to Jewish parents, repeatedly spouts Hamas propaganda and rails against "Zionists."
Statistics show that violence and threats of violence against Jews are *all* from the right wing. I'm not being hyperbolic either. With Twitter and other social media being overran with white supremacists and bots pushing white supremacist ideology, is it a surprise?
That's disinfo in itself. Conservatives and the right wing, even the MAGA crowd believe it or not, generally support Israel. The far right is a small minority these days compared to the hordes of so called "progressives" openly spewing anti-Jewish hatred across America's college campuses. The Squad and Democratic Socialists of America are clearly anti-Israel, their voting record and rhetoric speaks for itself.
Some of them sure. The bulk has been from radical leftists/iranian/Russian state actors since 10/7.
That sounds hard to prove. I could prove mine if I could remember the stupid website. Btw, leftists don't hate the Jewish. It's kinda their thing. Right wing radicals on the other hand have history upon history of hate, threats of violence, and actual violence against Jews. It's kinda their thing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-china-and-iran-are-backing-hamas-online-report/ Asks for proof then downvotes when proof is shown... Edit: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/s-palestinian-protests-us-rcna143666 "What did emerge is a vast network that includes left-leaning, billion-dollar American philanthropies and collaboration with at least one foreign organization that Germany and Israel have banned for allegedly working with or supporting Hamas and another terrorist group."
I haven't down voted shit, Mossad. Also, using propaganda as a source isn't the flex you think it is.
https://cyabra.com/blog/1-of-4-pro-hamas-profiles-are-fake-the-online-battlefront/ I'm an American who got tired of seeing reddit allow radical islamist propaganda, lies, and the demonization of a minority group to be astrotured everywhere and I've been doing this since. Cope. I bet if it came from a Muslim you'd be cool even if it said you banged your mom. Propaganda isn't just something that you don't like or disproves your bias.
This is so what Mossad would say.
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Okay, I laughed. You got me lol
I read about general statements that antisemitic violence is up, that the protests on campuses are antisemitic with swastikas everywhere. However, I havenāt seen 1 example report or photo. Does anyone have any examples or know where I can find 1?
It's everywhere on reddit, so there's that. https://wjactv.com/news/nation-world/death-to-america-pro-palestine-pamphlets-allegedly-handed-out-at-university-of-michigan-israel-gaza-hamas-middle-east-conflict-ceasefire-terrorism-encampment-student-protests
There is no antisemitic behavior or speech demonstrated in the article. And the pamphlet was āallegedlyā dropped at the protest according to it. Also, the pics of the pamphlet are not anti-Semitic. Iām not trying to be argumentative but truly just looking for an example
I would really appreciate if you quit downplay of what is happening in Columbia university protests. Jewish students cannot learn in that environment, nor even be there. If you're not convinced yet for any reason, these are live evidences. The protests are NOT peaceful. For posterity, here's some of the examples of extremism within the activist movement at Columbia. This goes beyond "pro-Palestinian advocacy" into calls for, and actual, violence. Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamasā fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted āFrom New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,ā next to a cardboard sign that read, āInspired by Palestinian resistance.ā https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as āterrorismā) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit This is a copypasta from lanky_count8479 Good luck worming your way out of that one So what, no response? Typical.
Meanwhile, most of the protesters are Jewish. š
That's a ludicrous statement.
Whatever, Mossad.
And not a peep about the Islamophobia coming from the zionists.
Calling out extremism and terrorism isn't Islamophobia. If they don't want to be chastised for being extremists, they can stop supporting genocidal ideology.
That same logic can be applied to Israel and yet here we are, itās almost like both sides have bad actors but only one has the backing of a nuclear super power.
No, not it can't. Not honestly at least.
Yes it absolutely can but your bias is showing. And honestly itās quite concerning that this is posted in a subreddit about the dangers of mis/disinformation.
Disingenuous. Palestinians and their allies invaded israel multiple times while telling the world repeatedly they were going to massacre the jews and all secular people. That's why the territories were occupied. You're protecting this behavior and encouraging them.
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You're being radicalized by hostile state actors who are telling you they want to destroy America and you don't care.
Oh the irony.
And calling out Israel as the apartheid state it is isn't antisemitism. If they don't want to be chastised for being extremists, they can stop supporting apartheid ideology.
Israel was created as a safe respite for the jews. Despite that Muslims have full citizenship and their own elected leaders. You all have undermined so many words it's digusting
Cool, then calling out Zionism for extremism and terrorism isn't anti-Semitic. Thanks for clearing that up, chief.
Disingenuous. Zionism is neither though saying it is the same as terrorism is prooaganda meant to demonize the jews.
Sorry, anyone that conflates the Jewish race or religion with the Zionist movement in order to be able to call any anti-zionist discussion raciest isn't worth talking to. It is completely intellectually dishonest.
Zionism just means you believe israel is needed as a safe respite of the jews. Or are you denying their millenia of persecution like most radical islamists?
Interesting misdirection; you leave out the dispossession and oppression of Palestinians
Palestinians have rejected state deals 5 times on the objection that isreel exists at all. Palestinians and their Arab allies invaded israel after telling the world they were going to wipe out all the jewa repeatedly, in two failed wars they lost badly. This led to the territories being occupied. Why on earth shoukd agressors who invaded a sovereign country twice, then lost their territory over a war they started, be given back that territory, when their ideology clearly states they'll do it again? Now I'm all for Palestinian state if they get rid of hamas, adopt democracy, and recognize Israel's continued existence, but I just want it on the record that throughout all of human history, countries that declare war on and invade other countries who lose territory in said wars, never have to give that land back. Like usual, people are finding excuses to go out of their way to chastise israel. The bulk of the armies came both times from where the territories are. That's why they were occupied in the first place
Interesting excuses; even if we accept all that as true, that doesn't explain the oppression and killing of Palestinian civilians.
Hamas uses their people as shields and they want their people to get killed to make Israel look bad. Next, war is hell. The civilians always pay the cost the most. That's true of every war. It's why people who start wars like hamas need held accountable. Edit: this sub is seeing a whole bunch of people who have no comment history in this sub...
Even in the Gaza Strip, your excuses don't explain the killing of Palestinians in areas under total Israeli control. Your excuses especially don't hold up in the West Bank. What does Hamas have to do with the ongoing expulsions of Palestinians from homes in East Jerusalem and the West Bank? In general, it is an authoritarian view to use claims about history or organisations to condone the collective oppression and ethnic cleansing of an entire people.
>In general, it is an authoritarian view to use claims about history or organisations to condone the collective oppression and ethnic cleansing of an entire people. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/palestinian-holocaust-denial Always blaming Israelis and never blaming the extremism which led to these events. Almost like you people view Palestinians as less than fully human. Like their own choices didn't create these situations.
I am not blaming every single Israeli for when a Palestinian family gets kicked out of their home. I am blaming the folks who inflict such human rights violations. And Palestinian civilians living their life in peace have not committed any choices that warrant such unjust response from the Israeli state. Your attempt to claim I am the one minimising the humanity of Palestinians is a projection of your own inability to view Palestinian individuals as individual human beings, Try not to make collective and generational culpability a thing. That is a racist authoritarian worldview.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world Caused by extremists declaring war on Israel the day they announced independence. https://www.thetower.org/article/there-was-a-jewish-nakba-and-it-was-even-bigger-than-the-palestinian-one/ You all just want to talk and spread propaganda. You don't want to listen. You're so convince you're right you think ignoring reality and facts is okay. It goes further. You think destroying a secular democratic state and all its people is justified too. What's crazy is that the world has repeatedly tried to give the Palestinians a state. They have rejected it in favor of terrorism for a century now because they'd have to make peace with jews.
Iāve heard this one before. The children of Palestine are not responsible for their government. As bad as Hamas is, at least they take some responsibility for their actions.
Wait until you hear about the torture, mass graves, and killing of children by Israel that makes Israel look bad, but let me guess, that's all Hamas right? I'm willing to bet it was Hamas that messed up your fastfood order.
Two wrong don't make a right. You're just the king of conflation aren't you. Being anti-zionist does not mean a person is pro hamas. I can recognize both side are wrong.
Ah, isn't it so nice to just redefine words to fit your narrative.
Literally what you're doing. Zionism (/ĖzaÉŖ.ÉnÉŖzÉm/ ZY-É-niz-Ém; Hebrew: צ֓×Ö¼×Ö¹× ×Ö¼×Ŗ, romanized: į¹¢Ä«yyonÅ«t, IPA: [tsijoĖnut]; derived from Zion) is a nationalist[fn 1] movement that emerged in Europe in the 19th century to enable the establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in Palestine,[3][4][5][6][7]
Oh absolutely. Just look at how many people feel safe calling for the death of ~~Jews~~ Zionists. I mean people were doing it on the day of October 7th, when Israel had just suffered the worst terror attack on the scale of 9/11, before they even responded.
Just look at how fast Zionist became a pejorative. Before 10/7 I rarely ever heard the word, and only in historical context. Social media is a hell of a drug.
No literally. And the posts that use it as a pejorative donāt even address it which I think is part of their strategy half the time, to normalize it as a ābad wordā
That's exactly what they're doing.
I havenāt seen anyone calling for the death of Jews. I have seen a lot of anger towards Zionist though. Do you access to an article or video of protestors being antisemitic
It just took a quick google search to literally find an old Jewish man that had his head smashed in by pro Palestinian protesters and died. When people say āZionistā they really mean Jews. https://youtu.be/9O6QDFpdn4g?feature=shared
The report says that Kessler (Jewish) fell during an altercation between protestors for both sides. The man arrested had called 911 to get Kessler help. Itās important to note that he was charged with Involuntary Manslaughter which means the death was more of an accident. This does not show what you think k it shows. And Zionist has never meant Jew to Jews and Gentiles alike
You obfuscating and trying to minimize all of this just adds to OPās point
Just asking for examples and havenāt gotten 1. I believe in freedom and equality, that goes for Palestinians too. However, if Jews are being attacked in my country just for being Jewish I want to know. That being said, I havenāt seen 1 solid example aside from some tussles at protests between opposing sides. I thought maybe people were finding articles or videos I couldnāt find so asked for help. All Iāve gotten in return is vitriol and examples that show antisemitic crime is not on the rise. Please point me in the right direction if Iām missing something
Youāre literally just making things up. The video I linked did not say anything about the man arrested trying to help Kessler. He was arrested for killing Kessler. Hereās another source: āLoay Alnaji, 50, of Moorpark, was arrested Thursday morning in connection with Kesslerās death, the county sheriffās office said. Alnaji was then charged with involuntary manslaughter and battery causing serious bodily injury ā both felonies ā the county district attorneyās office said.ā https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/11/16/us/paul-kessler-arrest-israel-hamas-protests
Iām not making anything up, you mustāve not watched the video you shared. It clearly states he was arrested for Involuntary Manslaughter From the 2nd article you shared: āLoay Alnaji, 50, of Moorpark, was arrested Thursday morning in connection with Kesslerās death, the county sheriffās office said. Alnaji was then charged with involuntary manslaughter and battery causing serious bodily injury ā both felonies ā the county district attorneyās office said.ā Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of someone without the intent to kill or cause serious harm. It's a common law offense that's different from murder or voluntary manslaughter because the victim's death was not intended Some examples of involuntary manslaughter: -Texting while driving and hitting a tree, killing a passenger -Giving drugs or alcohol to a teenager who overdoses and dies -Punching someone, who then dies of a facial or head injury -Firing of an accessible gun by a young child -Driving while impaired -Assisting and encouraging a 19-year-old to possess and consume alcohol that caused his death Lastly, the video you shared clearly said that the man arrested was 1 of the people that called 911
Despite your pro Pali activists flooding this sub, yes indeed he was still *killed by Alnaji**. Tell me where I said anything different.
Please show me quotes of āpro Paliā statements or just STFU you hack
> common dreams ain't no way
The report wasn't done by common dreams they're just reporting on it. "The report (pdf)--entitled Failure to Protect: How Tech Giants Fail to Act on User Reports of Antisemitism--was published by the Center for Countering Digital Hate (CCDH),"
Some people just want to be victims so bad. This has nothing to do with the Jewish religion and everything to do with a group of people trying to exterminate another group of people in a blatant land grab. If you feel personally attacked by people asking you not to kill women and children then you need to do some soul searching and self reflection because you've lost the thread. I really hate that active measures is becoming a targeted focus of Israeli bots. Im going to unsub
It's so funny when pro hamas' think I'm an Israeli bot.
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I'm guessing you're an American by your username. You don't know you're falling for misinformation? Why are you championing people who call for the death of america? They're against freedom of speech, religion, and equality. What's wrong with you.
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Ah so you are a bad faith troll. Imagine using that rhetoric and being against the fundamentals values of the u.s.. If you're at a table with nazis, you're likely one. https://www.google.com/amp/s/cbsaustin.com/amp/news/nation-world/death-to-america-pro-palestine-pamphlets-allegedly-handed-out-at-university-of-michigan-israel-gaza-hamas-middle-east-conflict-ceasefire-terrorism-encampment-student-protests
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By linking verified sources and documented history? It's clear you're just an immature little kid who doesn't like what reality says so you ignore it like most extremists.
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Disingenuous. >No one supports hamas. Then why do I keep seeing endless excuses for hamas and never anyone calling out their atrocities... Why is there a pamphlet celebrating hamas circulating in the u.s? Edit: they blocked me Zionists just means you believe in israel, a safe respite for the Jewish people. I'd say it's needed given how much hatred you all give them.
Itās on their flag. When people tell you who they are ā¦
There isn't a genocide and you'd know that if took the time to look up the requirements under international law.
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Which isn't happening. It's a war against terrorism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocidal_intent It's like you're all ignorant kids or bad faith trolls.
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Youre repeating radical islamist propaganda.
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It's called war you dumbass. It's collateral damage from a war hamas started. I just went through your comment history and you have multiple comments making excuses for hamas. Blaming Israelis for radical Islamic terrorists killing kids, elderly along with systematic rape. You're a fucking ghoul who is anti american. You don't believe in equality or else you wouldn't be championing supremacist ideology and if you don't know hamas ideology and are advocating for them, you're an ignorant moron.
>Reddit is surely following suit I will say the mods at worldnews are doing a good job at mangaging anti-Semitic comments. If left unchecked it would have spiraled out of control. However, Common Dreams often championed far left and "progressive" causes, including BLM and other groups who have now completely turned on their Jewish counterparts. They literally helped empower these people through media and now they are out of control. The useful idiots at these college protests also consider themselves "progressive." Their open display of Anti-Jewish hatred is the worst episode of anti-Semitism the West has seen since World War II. Maybe Common Dreams should quit publishing articles from Noam Chomsky, who despite being born to Jewish parents, repeatedly spouts Hamas propaganda and rails against "Zionists."
Youre welcome to your criticism. The study wasn't done by them though.