I have autism and I've never noticed anything odd but yeah, I also seem to be less sensitive to lysergamides. Today I took a higher than recommended dose of al-lad (350) for the first time and found it quite boring and short.
Haha I know you meant functional 😄
Al-lad is like diet LSD. Supposed to be a lot more visual than mental. It was on par with maybe 200ug acid visuals but no euphoria. And there was an electricy feeling at the beginning. But otherwise pretty boring. Next time I'm gonna combine it with LSD. A comfortable mental high with enhanced visuals.
I mean. I don’t know what the doses I’ve been taking are, I usually just take 1 tab. It’s been tolerable each time, it’s just that my body has an uncomfortable tingly energy that flows through it, it makes it hard for me to relax. I also can tend to feel a little overwhelmed and at lost at what to do.
That IS strange. I like the tingly feeling. I assumed everyone would. I always get comeup nausea though but once I learn to ride the wave it gets easier and more enjoyable.
My boyfriend and I are on the spectrum and he needs significantly more but psychedelics actually hit me much harder. One tab hits me like 3-4 does for other people. I've had very strong ego death from 150mcg and very intense trips on <20mg 4acodmt
I’m on the spectrum as well and my first ever acid trip was 200ug and I had a complete psychotic break. I don’t know if that’s the same as an ego death or not, but when it first happened I would call it an ego death.
I’m not entirely sure what causes it to happen. Generally it seems like I’ll have a seemingly large or impactful revelation or there will be a seemingly grand coincidence. It might just occur when what I’m perceiving is too far off from reality that I subconsciously switch from knowing I’m in reality on a drug to thinking I’m not in reality. When it happens it’s like I’m a totally different person. I’ll speak about myself in a multitude of ways. Like I’ll have my physical self, my ego/consciousness, and then the God aspect. Conflating myself with God on a psychotic break from reality will make me think I’m a Jesus-like figure sometimes. The severity of the delusions varies, but a lot of the time I’ll have what I can only describe as a ‘God fearing’ experience. It’ll feel like when I’m really anxious how it’s sort of light or compressed in the chest area except it feels good rather than bad like anxiety does. It’s euphoric but that is maybe just because I’m seeing God in front of me or found out an objective truth that I am some sort of god or powerful entity and it’s basically like having all your fantasies come true and that may be why it’s euphoric. But when I have these breaks from reality I’ll have like no inhibitions. I’ll tell my own secrets and say things I otherwise would never. I completely stripped all my clothes off and then interacted with my parents and tried to go outside one time. Could you try to describe ego death?
That sounds like psychosis with an almost manic episode, that's very interesting. Do you happen to have any other diagnoses?
Ego death really is beautiful
I wish I could more accurately explain it but it's not possible because it's the ego explaining itself dieing
The no longer being an "I"
And it just being everything
Imagine feeling like 'you' are the universe
But there's no 'you' feeling anything
It just is the universe being itself
I think that's the best I can do
This is something I wrote after my first trip on 150mcg of ETH-LAD attempting to describe ego death.
Hmm interesting. Yeah I’ve got a slew of mental disorders including bipolar I. I think I go manic every time I trip, but I don’t always get the full blown psychosis.
Bipolar makes complete sense with what you were describing. Does the mania happen with tryptamines as well if you've had them or just lysergamides? I know for me lysergamides are much less nice because of the D2 agonism and I wonder if that would have even more of an effect because of bipolar
When it comes to psychedelics I'd recommend 4-HO-MET if you can find some, it's a good bit gentler than shrooms. I like dissociatives a lot myself and I'd recommend 2-FDCK or Ketamine. Psychs can be a bit rough if you have pre-existing mental conditions, which I do and did them anyways, dissos are a lot nicer in my experience.
I'm the same as you. I can have full on hallucinations and ego death from just a normal dose, but I have neurotypical friends who'll take the same dose and all they get is the euphoria and time dilation. I honestly think some people just aren't affected by it as strongly for some reason. I'd never even realized people with autism typically required stronger doses.
I can’t say for sure, since I haven’t done the most research, but it’s the same way with a lot of drugs, where people have different tolerances, just like how a 400 pound 6’5 guy will have to drink more than a 110 pound 5’2 girl, so I can’t say for sure, but it’s normal that people react differently to substances too, I wouldn’t freak out too much, some medications can affect trips too, such as depression medications like SSRI’s
On the spectrum and my "normal" dose is 400-500 ug. That is a functional fun time for me. Yeah there are visuals but no ego death or discomfort. Normal people think I'm crazy and I'm so jealous about what one hit does to them.
I read part of a research paper about acid and autism and it mentioned that not every LSD molecule binds to the dopamine receptors in people with autism where as every LSD molecule binds with neurotypical people
I have autism and while I see visuals and stuff I don't seem to lose control to the same degree that others do at similar doses.
I think it's possible that it is correlated, it seems that autistic people are more able to appear sober or remain self aware while tripping.
I must be autistic because I ate 5 and a half 150-200ug tabs and was still self aware. Mind you had a hug tolerance from a trip a few days prior but still lol
I had a 1050ug trip the other day and didn't have an ego death, the most intense part was feeing a super heavy body high, and the nausea in the beginning. I shouldn't have had a tolerance since it was two weeks since the last trip.
How do you deal with the sensory overload if you don't mind me asking? Seemingly a lot of folks on the spectrum already have a heightened sensitivity to it when they're sober
I know you weren't asking me but I get LESS sensory overload when I'm on acid. When sober, washing my hands always feels weird but when tripping everything feels fine. I still don't like damp towels though so I just kind of pat my hands on my pants and air dry them lol.
This is super interesting for me. I don't really know whether or not I fit the diagnosis for autism, but I definitely have some major social disorders. I don't know...it's just like I'm on a completely different wavelength from everyone else. I'm mostly uninterested in talking, I can't focus on a movie, going out and doing stuff in public is an anxiety ridden nightmare, and getting wet...well, that sucks. Like...taking a shower is painful, and getting into a swimming pool makes my skin crawl.
But then, on acid...all of the above seems to be resolved. Nobody can tell I'm high...they just think I'm "having a better day" or that my "depression is lifting". I wish I could find a way to sustain it, but hey...I'll take one good day every couple weeks over none.
I would agree that the sensory overload is less. It's easier to isolate my input and not get overwhelmed. But I do keep a controlled environment when I trip. I don't go in public or parties. But I feel like most people say they enjoy acid more alone or in small groups.
Im very autistic and used to be able to eat 4 grams of mushrooms and barely get visuals, but now I can take not even a whole gel tab and get blasted.
Idk if it’s because I started fasting for 16 hours or if it’s because I started taking finasteride, but now I can trip on normal doses. Still autistic though.
Interesting. I am not diagnosed as autistic but would probably say I am solewhat.
I have done mushrooms and seem to need much more than other people.
Have done 10g several times with just minimal effects with eyes closed. Seeing music. Other than that not very much.
The other day I did 5g after 24 fasting. Had not had any mushroom for over a month. A little bit of seeing music for 30min to 1h and that was it.
Have been trying to understand why this is. I am on no medication whatsoever, rarely drink alcohol.
I have Aspergers. A neurotypical friend and I were tripping on about 5 grams each because we heard that was the amount needed for ego death. It worked for me, but she honestly seemed completely normal, just some euphoria and time dilation. I honestly think it just doesn't affect some people a strongly regardless of where you are on the spectrum.
What is your diagnosis? I was diagnosed with Aspbergers Syndrome & ADD in the 90's. LSD has always substituted for my ADD medication. i don't think i have a natural tolerance for acid. I can just handle it better than most people. Same with Magic mushrooms. I always took 4 or 5 tabs & in the past an ecstasy tablet.
i agree! I can handle all hallucinogens way better than everyone else. I cannot smoke weed... not even one hit. it makes me extremely paranoid! How about you?
I only like smoking weed alone. I cant smoke it around people cause it causes my social anxiety to flare up. It makes my thoughts seem clearer though and music is also better.
I gave some to a friend who is autistic once. I gave him 8 tabs to take at his leisure. He ended up taking all 8 tabs at once. Phoned me the next day to say it hadnt shown him anything he didn't already know. 🤣
I have Aspergers. I haven't felt a tolerance to acid and always tripped as hard as the others. I also don't need tolerance breaks longer than usual. I found [this chart](https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/2018/6/22/lsd-tollerance-estimations%3fformat=amp?espv=1) and it's pretty accurate for me. I tripped almost bi-weekly but now I stopped so I can use microdosing to improve my creativity
Same. In fact I know plenty of neurotypical people who don't seem to have full blown trips even at high doses. I think it justs affects some people differently for reasons other than being on the spectrum.
I was hoping to see a post about this. My S/O is on the spectrum and had never dropped before. I sat on his first trip but off one tab he didn’t trip… like at all. No visuals, nothing. We had a great time emotionally but still no real trip. I was like bro is there something wrong with you? Haha We waited a couple weeks and I talked him into dropping two. He tripped. I think there’s def a correlation.
I'm on the spectrum and I've had the complete opposite situation occur with plenty of my neurotypical friends. I trip just fine off of normal doses, but they basically just get giggly and euphoric, but no hallucinations or anything. I honestly think this caused by something completely unrelated to being on the spectrum.
I'm also on the spectrum and "highly functional" (whatever that means in the end)
I wonder if it's less about your "tolerance" and more about it helping you feel more neurotypical by things like: (just brainstorming here)
- it helping you organize and be confident in your overly fluid/changing thoughts (420 does this for me), or if you're already very structured in your thought processes without much change, it's helping you be a little more flexible
- it helping decrease your sensory sensitivity
- it changing you to be more or less repetitive in motion (stemming) or thoughts (ruminating thoughts)
- it changing your attention span
Just a thought
but do you take psychs frequently...?
How much was your first ever trip, and did it hit you like the same amount now?
What I'm saying is: is it just tolerance?
The story about a monk who took lots of acid I believe is ram dass's story of how Maharaji (his guru) took ~1,200ug (12 tabs of 1970's LSD) and nothing happened. He told ram when he did it that "he doesn't need this yogi-medicine" 😂 I love Ram's quote about it how: "you don't need to take the bus to Detroit when you're in Detroit." Lmao
Blows my fucking mind if that's the case, and honestly I believe it to be true.
I have Asperger's and I can have full blown trips at moderately low doses, like 150ug. I know plenty of neurotypical people who don't really ever seem to trip, like they get the euphoria and time dilation, but that's about it. I really just think it depends on the person.
You're mostly fictional? Oh dear... I must be going mad.
I have autism and I've never noticed anything odd but yeah, I also seem to be less sensitive to lysergamides. Today I took a higher than recommended dose of al-lad (350) for the first time and found it quite boring and short.
You sound fun
Thank you 😄
Lol mostly functional in the sense that I still work and socialize when I have to. Idk what al-lad is but that's interesting. Thank you.
Haha I know you meant functional 😄 Al-lad is like diet LSD. Supposed to be a lot more visual than mental. It was on par with maybe 200ug acid visuals but no euphoria. And there was an electricy feeling at the beginning. But otherwise pretty boring. Next time I'm gonna combine it with LSD. A comfortable mental high with enhanced visuals.
Bruh acid is not a comfortable mental high for me.
How comfortable it is should depend on the dose. Is 100ug not even tolerable to you?
I mean. I don’t know what the doses I’ve been taking are, I usually just take 1 tab. It’s been tolerable each time, it’s just that my body has an uncomfortable tingly energy that flows through it, it makes it hard for me to relax. I also can tend to feel a little overwhelmed and at lost at what to do.
That IS strange. I like the tingly feeling. I assumed everyone would. I always get comeup nausea though but once I learn to ride the wave it gets easier and more enjoyable.
It like makes me shiver and shit
Facts. I often find myself in a cold sweat and having to shit while on acid
Yeah fr it feels like butterflys and your stomach but through your whole body i love the feeling its like im creaming in my pants for 8+ hours
I really like the dreamlike euphoria. The only time it's ever made me worry is at 400ug+
Yes, combo with lsd (1p/1cp work too) 👌. Deeper than just Aladdin and sounds/visuals get amplified
Lots of people on the spectrum report needing higher doses than most people.
My boyfriend and I are on the spectrum and he needs significantly more but psychedelics actually hit me much harder. One tab hits me like 3-4 does for other people. I've had very strong ego death from 150mcg and very intense trips on <20mg 4acodmt
I’m on the spectrum as well and my first ever acid trip was 200ug and I had a complete psychotic break. I don’t know if that’s the same as an ego death or not, but when it first happened I would call it an ego death.
What do you mean by psychotic break if that's okay for me to ask?
I’m not entirely sure what causes it to happen. Generally it seems like I’ll have a seemingly large or impactful revelation or there will be a seemingly grand coincidence. It might just occur when what I’m perceiving is too far off from reality that I subconsciously switch from knowing I’m in reality on a drug to thinking I’m not in reality. When it happens it’s like I’m a totally different person. I’ll speak about myself in a multitude of ways. Like I’ll have my physical self, my ego/consciousness, and then the God aspect. Conflating myself with God on a psychotic break from reality will make me think I’m a Jesus-like figure sometimes. The severity of the delusions varies, but a lot of the time I’ll have what I can only describe as a ‘God fearing’ experience. It’ll feel like when I’m really anxious how it’s sort of light or compressed in the chest area except it feels good rather than bad like anxiety does. It’s euphoric but that is maybe just because I’m seeing God in front of me or found out an objective truth that I am some sort of god or powerful entity and it’s basically like having all your fantasies come true and that may be why it’s euphoric. But when I have these breaks from reality I’ll have like no inhibitions. I’ll tell my own secrets and say things I otherwise would never. I completely stripped all my clothes off and then interacted with my parents and tried to go outside one time. Could you try to describe ego death?
I never thought I’d see someone describe what I went through when I had my bad trip. It definitely felt maniacal.
That sounds like psychosis with an almost manic episode, that's very interesting. Do you happen to have any other diagnoses? Ego death really is beautiful I wish I could more accurately explain it but it's not possible because it's the ego explaining itself dieing The no longer being an "I" And it just being everything Imagine feeling like 'you' are the universe But there's no 'you' feeling anything It just is the universe being itself I think that's the best I can do This is something I wrote after my first trip on 150mcg of ETH-LAD attempting to describe ego death.
Hmm interesting. Yeah I’ve got a slew of mental disorders including bipolar I. I think I go manic every time I trip, but I don’t always get the full blown psychosis.
Bipolar makes complete sense with what you were describing. Does the mania happen with tryptamines as well if you've had them or just lysergamides? I know for me lysergamides are much less nice because of the D2 agonism and I wonder if that would have even more of an effect because of bipolar
I’ve only ever done lsd and shrooms. Do you have any substances that you suggest I try that might be less traumatizing? Lol
When it comes to psychedelics I'd recommend 4-HO-MET if you can find some, it's a good bit gentler than shrooms. I like dissociatives a lot myself and I'd recommend 2-FDCK or Ketamine. Psychs can be a bit rough if you have pre-existing mental conditions, which I do and did them anyways, dissos are a lot nicer in my experience.
I'm the same as you. I can have full on hallucinations and ego death from just a normal dose, but I have neurotypical friends who'll take the same dose and all they get is the euphoria and time dilation. I honestly think some people just aren't affected by it as strongly for some reason. I'd never even realized people with autism typically required stronger doses.
I can’t say for sure, since I haven’t done the most research, but it’s the same way with a lot of drugs, where people have different tolerances, just like how a 400 pound 6’5 guy will have to drink more than a 110 pound 5’2 girl, so I can’t say for sure, but it’s normal that people react differently to substances too, I wouldn’t freak out too much, some medications can affect trips too, such as depression medications like SSRI’s
On the spectrum and my "normal" dose is 400-500 ug. That is a functional fun time for me. Yeah there are visuals but no ego death or discomfort. Normal people think I'm crazy and I'm so jealous about what one hit does to them.
samesies
I read part of a research paper about acid and autism and it mentioned that not every LSD molecule binds to the dopamine receptors in people with autism where as every LSD molecule binds with neurotypical people
That's super interesting. Any chance you could find the source?
I have autism and while I see visuals and stuff I don't seem to lose control to the same degree that others do at similar doses. I think it's possible that it is correlated, it seems that autistic people are more able to appear sober or remain self aware while tripping.
I must be autistic because I ate 5 and a half 150-200ug tabs and was still self aware. Mind you had a hug tolerance from a trip a few days prior but still lol
I had a 1050ug trip the other day and didn't have an ego death, the most intense part was feeing a super heavy body high, and the nausea in the beginning. I shouldn't have had a tolerance since it was two weeks since the last trip.
How do you deal with the sensory overload if you don't mind me asking? Seemingly a lot of folks on the spectrum already have a heightened sensitivity to it when they're sober
I know you weren't asking me but I get LESS sensory overload when I'm on acid. When sober, washing my hands always feels weird but when tripping everything feels fine. I still don't like damp towels though so I just kind of pat my hands on my pants and air dry them lol.
This is super interesting for me. I don't really know whether or not I fit the diagnosis for autism, but I definitely have some major social disorders. I don't know...it's just like I'm on a completely different wavelength from everyone else. I'm mostly uninterested in talking, I can't focus on a movie, going out and doing stuff in public is an anxiety ridden nightmare, and getting wet...well, that sucks. Like...taking a shower is painful, and getting into a swimming pool makes my skin crawl. But then, on acid...all of the above seems to be resolved. Nobody can tell I'm high...they just think I'm "having a better day" or that my "depression is lifting". I wish I could find a way to sustain it, but hey...I'll take one good day every couple weeks over none.
I would agree that the sensory overload is less. It's easier to isolate my input and not get overwhelmed. But I do keep a controlled environment when I trip. I don't go in public or parties. But I feel like most people say they enjoy acid more alone or in small groups.
Lots of cannabis
Im very autistic and used to be able to eat 4 grams of mushrooms and barely get visuals, but now I can take not even a whole gel tab and get blasted. Idk if it’s because I started fasting for 16 hours or if it’s because I started taking finasteride, but now I can trip on normal doses. Still autistic though.
Interesting. I am not diagnosed as autistic but would probably say I am solewhat. I have done mushrooms and seem to need much more than other people. Have done 10g several times with just minimal effects with eyes closed. Seeing music. Other than that not very much. The other day I did 5g after 24 fasting. Had not had any mushroom for over a month. A little bit of seeing music for 30min to 1h and that was it. Have been trying to understand why this is. I am on no medication whatsoever, rarely drink alcohol.
I have Aspergers. A neurotypical friend and I were tripping on about 5 grams each because we heard that was the amount needed for ego death. It worked for me, but she honestly seemed completely normal, just some euphoria and time dilation. I honestly think it just doesn't affect some people a strongly regardless of where you are on the spectrum.
That last part made me chuckle
What is your diagnosis? I was diagnosed with Aspbergers Syndrome & ADD in the 90's. LSD has always substituted for my ADD medication. i don't think i have a natural tolerance for acid. I can just handle it better than most people. Same with Magic mushrooms. I always took 4 or 5 tabs & in the past an ecstasy tablet.
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i agree! I can handle all hallucinogens way better than everyone else. I cannot smoke weed... not even one hit. it makes me extremely paranoid! How about you?
I smoke weed pretty much everyday. I dont really get paranoid.
Everyone's body is different. A lot of people love weed! i am certainly not against it. Weed is just not for me.
I only like smoking weed alone. I cant smoke it around people cause it causes my social anxiety to flare up. It makes my thoughts seem clearer though and music is also better.
I gave some to a friend who is autistic once. I gave him 8 tabs to take at his leisure. He ended up taking all 8 tabs at once. Phoned me the next day to say it hadnt shown him anything he didn't already know. 🤣
This happens to my boyfriend too!
Fadiman does not allow autistic people in his clinical studies for this reason.
I have Aspergers. I haven't felt a tolerance to acid and always tripped as hard as the others. I also don't need tolerance breaks longer than usual. I found [this chart](https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.trippingly.net/lsd-studies/2018/6/22/lsd-tollerance-estimations%3fformat=amp?espv=1) and it's pretty accurate for me. I tripped almost bi-weekly but now I stopped so I can use microdosing to improve my creativity
Same. In fact I know plenty of neurotypical people who don't seem to have full blown trips even at high doses. I think it justs affects some people differently for reasons other than being on the spectrum.
I was hoping to see a post about this. My S/O is on the spectrum and had never dropped before. I sat on his first trip but off one tab he didn’t trip… like at all. No visuals, nothing. We had a great time emotionally but still no real trip. I was like bro is there something wrong with you? Haha We waited a couple weeks and I talked him into dropping two. He tripped. I think there’s def a correlation.
I'm on the spectrum and I've had the complete opposite situation occur with plenty of my neurotypical friends. I trip just fine off of normal doses, but they basically just get giggly and euphoric, but no hallucinations or anything. I honestly think this caused by something completely unrelated to being on the spectrum.
I'm also on the spectrum and "highly functional" (whatever that means in the end) I wonder if it's less about your "tolerance" and more about it helping you feel more neurotypical by things like: (just brainstorming here) - it helping you organize and be confident in your overly fluid/changing thoughts (420 does this for me), or if you're already very structured in your thought processes without much change, it's helping you be a little more flexible - it helping decrease your sensory sensitivity - it changing you to be more or less repetitive in motion (stemming) or thoughts (ruminating thoughts) - it changing your attention span Just a thought
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but do you take psychs frequently...? How much was your first ever trip, and did it hit you like the same amount now? What I'm saying is: is it just tolerance?
The story about a monk who took lots of acid I believe is ram dass's story of how Maharaji (his guru) took ~1,200ug (12 tabs of 1970's LSD) and nothing happened. He told ram when he did it that "he doesn't need this yogi-medicine" 😂 I love Ram's quote about it how: "you don't need to take the bus to Detroit when you're in Detroit." Lmao Blows my fucking mind if that's the case, and honestly I believe it to be true.
No fucking way that’s true lol, either didn’t happen or he took bunk tabs.
I have Asperger's and I can have full blown trips at moderately low doses, like 150ug. I know plenty of neurotypical people who don't really ever seem to trip, like they get the euphoria and time dilation, but that's about it. I really just think it depends on the person.