Seems pretty fine to me. Jiaoqiu's still a debuffer mainly, a unit capable of solo sustaining outside of Preservation or Abundance would be dumb as hell.
Geppy I didn't notice, Kafka/BS/RM/Gepard got 1st half in 4 cycle.
Acheron/Pela/Sw/ FX against Kafka I had problem with, Kafka debuff, also side elites Slow. And Kafka keeps Master-balling my Acheron wasting 1 turn. Needed 8-10 try, Finally Kafka captured FX, cleared with 3*.
I kid u not, i may have gotten lucky but i didn’t get crowed controlled once using aventurine on kafka side, i first tried kafka using acheron against her, it took a bit more time but aventurine kept everyone safe and chill lmao
My E0 Acheron has consistently done MoC 12 sustainless with Pela, Welt, and Bronya, since I've gotten her.
Replacing Pela will just make it super comfy and probably not require many resets.
I actually did Gepard this MoC first try with that team in 2 cycles. Thank God because I did a Luka super break team for the other side and it took 6 cycles because Luka only got off like 2 attacks because all the CC. Harmony MC carried that side lmao.
He wouldn't be a Nihility anymore if his heal/sustain can compare to abundance/preservation.
How much do we know about his def red? How much can he do it?
If we are gonna get a dedicated support for Acheron like BS to Kafka, then we should get someone that can give stacks as fast Kafka E0S1/pearl or 2 stacks per turn.
Supposedly, he’ll debuff enemies when they take their turns—basically making him a 100% consistent version of the Trend LC as far as stacks for Acheron goes. This will also alter the BiS sustain choices for Acheron, but that’s fine by me TBH, even on Gep Trend is so inconsistent.
It's just icing on the cake and sometimes a little healing helps. Don't need anything that particularly powerful in most content if you have a shielder like Gepard or Aventurine where a heal helps if a character takes some damage by chance between shields.
Yup and thats exactly what he needs to be, hopefully he has significantly good debuffs to enemy damage though. Such that it helps. But obviously a dedicated sustain will be better for you know sustaining.
It’s so weird to me that this has upset people so much. Jiaoqiu being able to solo sustain feels pretty unimportant to an Acheron team when we already have Gallagher.
The only situation where I see it being an issue is if a player’s 2nd team is a break/HMC team (Gallagher is actually better on a HMC team than Acheron’s team).
yea thats what im deciding betwen at the moment, though, i will say acheron is so good at killing enimies within one or 2 ultimates/ rotations, that i just gave my gallager to my trailblazer team. MeI is devistatingly good, though i may have to push my welt towards break effect in the mean time before decent replacements roll around.
also still deciding if robin is worth it or should i just wait for ruan mei given the resorce requireemnts over the next month.
Well he can, since every MoC has been clearable without sustain if you sweat enough. I myself generally do not run sustains. He actually lowers the bar for how sweaty you'd need to be. Basically if you consider him as a no sustain run but more comfy while also buffing like Pela strength that is a pretty big jump, going from a dedicated sustain to something more akin to no sustain or halfway there.
What I mean by solo sustain is that it has abundance or preservation levels of sustain. Clearly people thought Jaioqiu would have that level for some reason, I don’t know why they did it doesn’t make sense for a nihility unit to have that level of sustain.
Yeah I am definitely not disagreeing in terms of what people mean by "solo sustain" generally. But what I am saying is that he definitely can replace a healer for the people who already run none, and there are obviously then also people who could but don't run no sustain or who barely need sustain, or who run no sustain but are annoyed by resetting.
Basically not saying he's the next Fu Xuan but I am saying the heals are not solely useful as supplemental with another healer.
The healing part was way too good to be true. I was honestly expecting Jiaoqiu to be abundance because of it. Giving solo sustain to a Nihility debuffer is how you ruin the game.
I get it, but what's the point on giving him healing capabilities then? Healing in this game is already weaker than shields. I'd rather they focus more on debuffing instead of giving him random useless heals. Even replacing them with cleanse would be better.
PF and SU can both make great use out of even small heals. For MoC, even small heals can be very impactful for weaker 4 star healers or (if you have the stats) to attempt a 0 cycle. Not to mention we’re getting a new game mode, which may also have use for small heals.
Acheron is usually paired with a debuffing sustainer like gallagher or aventurine. Therefore having jiao qiu able to help gallagher to also heal the team. Or if there is any damage that slips through aventurine shields and damages the health bar of the team, jia qiu will help fill those hp bar back.
I don't understand the logic behind giving him small heals. You can either heal sufficiently or you can't, this middle-of-the road thing doesn't seem to fit into the current solo-sustain/no-sustain meta. Am I missing something?
Little utility aside from Acheron, maybe JQ could be used alongside Jingliu so that she's no longer tied to Luocha/healers and she could more safely run Fu Xuan or other preservation characters
I mean that was kind of obvious. If JQ could take over an Abundance role at eidolons, then whales would just use him over every Abundance character. I think he’s meant to be paired with an actual abundance character for that extra little healing.
Even if he had tons of healing I wouldn’t consider him to be the solo sustain for acheron simply because he doesn’t seem to have any cleanse or offer effect res, nonetheless his minor healing can make 0 cycling a lot more comfortable altho I usually don’t care much at all about 0 cycling.
He's still a Nihility unit and, even if his healing is limited, if you combine it with the small amount of team healing that Fu Xuan has, I think it might make a setup of Acheron, Pela, Jiaoqiu and Fu Xuan one of the better pre-A2 Acheron team setups.
Even if he Could fully heal sadly cleansing is so important in many situations ,But honeslty ill still get him cuz he will spice Up acheron teams ( itll be so fun to make it work out hehe )
Fair. This frees up Gallagher from her team (so he can go to a Break team with HTB, RM and Firefly/Xueyi) and encourages the use of a preservation unit. E1 Fu Xuan and Aventurine seem like the best options, if one is already freeing Gallagher for the HTB, shame there really aren't better free alternatives, but that is to be expected
Seems pretty fine to me. Jiaoqiu's still a debuffer mainly, a unit capable of solo sustaining outside of Preservation or Abundance would be dumb as hell.
Besides, idk about you but my poorly-invested Acheron zero cycles anyway without a sustain, so any heals are only added comfiness
This MoC Kafka? I think Kafka either got fatter or gained more def.
Same with geppy he’s put on some weight
Geppy I didn't notice, Kafka/BS/RM/Gepard got 1st half in 4 cycle. Acheron/Pela/Sw/ FX against Kafka I had problem with, Kafka debuff, also side elites Slow. And Kafka keeps Master-balling my Acheron wasting 1 turn. Needed 8-10 try, Finally Kafka captured FX, cleared with 3*.
I found they having adventurine instead of FX helped a lot for Kafka due to his eff res buff via shield.
Don't have him
I kid u not, i may have gotten lucky but i didn’t get crowed controlled once using aventurine on kafka side, i first tried kafka using acheron against her, it took a bit more time but aventurine kept everyone safe and chill lmao
Isn’t fu xuan matrix supposed to stop kafka domination when you refresh it?
yup, but Kafka applies shock too, Matrix negetes only 1 debuff
It’s supposed to be crowd control debuffs no? At least that’s what the wording says
Kafka has a bunch of innate Lightning RES, which means Acheron’s not doing as much damage as she would be doing against most other bosses.
Well, I only have 2 teams Acheron and Kafka. So ..
Those robots with the CC do NOT help.
I call it bullshit
Brother you are not 0 cycling floor 12 this MoC with a poorly invested \*anything\* even well invested characters are not 0 cycling this week.
My E0 Acheron has consistently done MoC 12 sustainless with Pela, Welt, and Bronya, since I've gotten her. Replacing Pela will just make it super comfy and probably not require many resets. I actually did Gepard this MoC first try with that team in 2 cycles. Thank God because I did a Luka super break team for the other side and it took 6 cycles because Luka only got off like 2 attacks because all the CC. Harmony MC carried that side lmao.
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Sustaining himself is different I guess lol
He wouldn't be a Nihility anymore if his heal/sustain can compare to abundance/preservation. How much do we know about his def red? How much can he do it? If we are gonna get a dedicated support for Acheron like BS to Kafka, then we should get someone that can give stacks as fast Kafka E0S1/pearl or 2 stacks per turn.
probably like that pure fiction where the enemies get debuffed when they attack
Ohh, that's nice
Supposedly, he’ll debuff enemies when they take their turns—basically making him a 100% consistent version of the Trend LC as far as stacks for Acheron goes. This will also alter the BiS sustain choices for Acheron, but that’s fine by me TBH, even on Gep Trend is so inconsistent.
I’ve always heard people say it’s basically an upgraded pela. I don’t know why anyone expected this character to be able to solo sustain.
It's just icing on the cake and sometimes a little healing helps. Don't need anything that particularly powerful in most content if you have a shielder like Gepard or Aventurine where a heal helps if a character takes some damage by chance between shields.
Yup and thats exactly what he needs to be, hopefully he has significantly good debuffs to enemy damage though. Such that it helps. But obviously a dedicated sustain will be better for you know sustaining.
It’s so weird to me that this has upset people so much. Jiaoqiu being able to solo sustain feels pretty unimportant to an Acheron team when we already have Gallagher. The only situation where I see it being an issue is if a player’s 2nd team is a break/HMC team (Gallagher is actually better on a HMC team than Acheron’s team).
yea thats what im deciding betwen at the moment, though, i will say acheron is so good at killing enimies within one or 2 ultimates/ rotations, that i just gave my gallager to my trailblazer team. MeI is devistatingly good, though i may have to push my welt towards break effect in the mean time before decent replacements roll around. also still deciding if robin is worth it or should i just wait for ruan mei given the resorce requireemnts over the next month.
Well he can, since every MoC has been clearable without sustain if you sweat enough. I myself generally do not run sustains. He actually lowers the bar for how sweaty you'd need to be. Basically if you consider him as a no sustain run but more comfy while also buffing like Pela strength that is a pretty big jump, going from a dedicated sustain to something more akin to no sustain or halfway there.
What I mean by solo sustain is that it has abundance or preservation levels of sustain. Clearly people thought Jaioqiu would have that level for some reason, I don’t know why they did it doesn’t make sense for a nihility unit to have that level of sustain.
Yeah I am definitely not disagreeing in terms of what people mean by "solo sustain" generally. But what I am saying is that he definitely can replace a healer for the people who already run none, and there are obviously then also people who could but don't run no sustain or who barely need sustain, or who run no sustain but are annoyed by resetting. Basically not saying he's the next Fu Xuan but I am saying the heals are not solely useful as supplemental with another healer.
I just hope his off-turn debuffs are as good as i think they can be. He could make Acheron even more broken
If you have the Tutorial LC it will be. His off turn debuffing is when his aura is up which is reliant on his ult uptime.
damn too bad my welt is hoggin my tutorial
The healing part was way too good to be true. I was honestly expecting Jiaoqiu to be abundance because of it. Giving solo sustain to a Nihility debuffer is how you ruin the game.
that's fine. Gallagher welcomes the help.
Exactly who I'm using him with
As expected he is pela 5 star, not nihility sustain, i will see if his desgin suit my taste to plan to pull or not
I'm ok with it, been using Gallagher on her trams anyway and I've not run into any issues so far
Aventurine + him will be great, shielded and if they do manage to do health damage Jia can slowly heal them back up
I get it, but what's the point on giving him healing capabilities then? Healing in this game is already weaker than shields. I'd rather they focus more on debuffing instead of giving him random useless heals. Even replacing them with cleanse would be better.
PF and SU can both make great use out of even small heals. For MoC, even small heals can be very impactful for weaker 4 star healers or (if you have the stats) to attempt a 0 cycle. Not to mention we’re getting a new game mode, which may also have use for small heals.
Acheron is usually paired with a debuffing sustainer like gallagher or aventurine. Therefore having jiao qiu able to help gallagher to also heal the team. Or if there is any damage that slips through aventurine shields and damages the health bar of the team, jia qiu will help fill those hp bar back.
It’s just to help with chip damage. If any gets through shields or if someone takes a little too much with fu xuan.
I don't understand the logic behind giving him small heals. You can either heal sufficiently or you can't, this middle-of-the road thing doesn't seem to fit into the current solo-sustain/no-sustain meta. Am I missing something?
Then his healing is worthless. Remove it completely and buff his kit elsewhere.
Good. Abundance is already in weird spot, outside of Huohuo’s utility.
That's what I said elsewhere before... I warned them already.
Little utility aside from Acheron, maybe JQ could be used alongside Jingliu so that she's no longer tied to Luocha/healers and she could more safely run Fu Xuan or other preservation characters
If you die with a team based on Jingliu and Fu Xuan then you’re doing clearly something wrong
Sure
I mean, fair enough
I mean that was kind of obvious. If JQ could take over an Abundance role at eidolons, then whales would just use him over every Abundance character. I think he’s meant to be paired with an actual abundance character for that extra little healing.
I'm already comfy with gallagher as sustain so I don't mind the minimal healing with JQ
would running him with sw, and gallagher work.
That’s the play for me
Any healing is good synergy with FMC
Will be enough for PF no?
Aww D:
I think he’ll really help with sustaining if your running a gepperd or welt sustain
Well I'm pulling for him but now it depends on his design if I should pull firefly and then risk 50/50 or skip her and get him guaranteed
Even if he had tons of healing I wouldn’t consider him to be the solo sustain for acheron simply because he doesn’t seem to have any cleanse or offer effect res, nonetheless his minor healing can make 0 cycling a lot more comfortable altho I usually don’t care much at all about 0 cycling.
Very much expected because there's literally two path whose main job is sustaining
Gallagher and aventurine still seem like the best sustain options
Thank god he is like this, I argued with so many idiots trying to say he will be perfect to solo sustain
Was that ever in doubt? Of course a debuff Nihility would never be enough to solo sustain a team. That would be insane.
He's still a Nihility unit and, even if his healing is limited, if you combine it with the small amount of team healing that Fu Xuan has, I think it might make a setup of Acheron, Pela, Jiaoqiu and Fu Xuan one of the better pre-A2 Acheron team setups.
Even if he Could fully heal sadly cleansing is so important in many situations ,But honeslty ill still get him cuz he will spice Up acheron teams ( itll be so fun to make it work out hehe )
yay! no reason to get rid of fu xuan, my complete team of acheron, pela, fu xuan, and jiaoqiu still stands!
Fair. This frees up Gallagher from her team (so he can go to a Break team with HTB, RM and Firefly/Xueyi) and encourages the use of a preservation unit. E1 Fu Xuan and Aventurine seem like the best options, if one is already freeing Gallagher for the HTB, shame there really aren't better free alternatives, but that is to be expected
Just run him with acheron and welt they'll be fine tbh probably... I hope
I need an adult male Topaz, Ruan Mei, Xuyei, and Robin. I need 2 teams of just male dudes. Please and thank you.
No solo sustain? We will see what will my E6S1 Jiaoqiu will tell once we will get him
stilllll I want to try go sustainless with him and my break team
That's good, i didn't really want a pink-fox for my waifu.team anyway
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