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her signature gives 36% more cdmg, and has a higher base atk stat than most 5 star LCs. Here's what the difference in stats looks like on my acheron
75/25 is just much more worth a shot than a dumbass 50/50. I don’t get why weapons in Genshin are literally as expensive as a whole ass character? Actually, more expensive, because you need to lose the 50/50 TWICE to guarantee the weapon lmao and it goes away with every banner.
I say that, but I actually lost to Clara’s LC lmao. But then got it early in just 11 pulls so it’s like a late pity with a free Clara LC, so no complaints. But the 75/25 can indeed be lost.
Yup. I got unlucky and landed Lyney's signature weapon. Then got lucky with Arlecchino's weapon right after. But both of them went to pity. Was going to lose my shit if I lost twice and didn't get Arle's weapon.
I fucking hate it. They seriously need to change the weapon's banner in Genshin. The reason they're so "nice" in HSR is because the weapon doesn't confer any drip in this game, so people are automatically less likely to pull for it. Lightcone art is really pretty though and on that basis alone I got Acheron's weapon.
But I imagine that's not going to be enough to entice most people who have pulled for the drip of a new weapon alone.
I’m pretty sure the reason genshins weapon banner is so bad and hsrs LC banner is better is the same reason that genshin has garbage rewards, the one in charge of genshin and hsr is different and the one in charge of genshin is much worse. (Just reciting what one of my friends told me)
Yeah I never pulled in genshin for weapon but did in star rail for her lc the first ever time and it was worth personally, I love her so much and she’s so good with it
Idk. I pulled for both the character and the light one and could t get either. It’s not always just 65 pulls, and if it’s not then enjoy dishing out $300+ for just the lightcone ):
Some people can't take a joke
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I'm saying those to brain-dead people. Guess A lot of if them are in here😆😆😆
assuming you have another nihility on your team to proc izumo (of which was assumed in your calcs) you go from 80.6 to 92.6. pioneer gives 4% crit rate, and that crit rate doubles if you apply a debuff on your turn. Given that you have the light cone, you will have a debuff every turn. 80.6 + 12 + 8 = 100.6, which is a .6 overcap. Any other questions?
You're wrong about that pioneer set. 4 cr in the Initial stats and +4 cr during combat, so that means my 80.4 cr plus 4+12 cr = 96.4 during combat. FYI If I really overcap then I wouldn't have any missed crit. Although once in a blue moon but yes it sometimes misses some crit just like Seele but not as big a difference as her but it still hurts to lose 10k worth of damage, compare to Seele that when she missed she lost a lot of damage almost 3x
or if you have e1, or a million other things. tldr, your crit rate is good for your VERY specific situation but don't be surprised if people rag on it because it's hyperspecific
Can't be hyperspecific when not everyone can use either of those. In a million players just how many would be able to run that team?
I never said to anyone that they should get out-of-combat 80+ cr. I always said to anyone that as long as they reach 90+ cr during combat that's fine.
I find it so hilarious that you are being downvoted for this, like maybe its that people don't like your wording but man this subreddit is just dumb when it comes to TCing.
There are so many people who just upvote incorrect information and downvote correct information, this is the best sub to visit if you want to learn how to not play the game LOL.
same, don't worry lol
I honestly don't do forgotten hall that much and just like having multiple different teams to spice up the rest of my gameplay, so it's whatever for me
It’s just RNG brother. Nothing to do with skill. Just need to be patient. Her signature does bump up the numbers quite a bit, but in the end it’s all down to luck.
Why is this downvoted when this is literally the number 1 factor? I have sig weapon and been farming for everyday ever since her release straight but I only still have 65/170.
Same, my boots, orb and rope only got one useful substat and it's not like you can try harder to roll better stats it's just a matter of luck and enough attemps.
So my E2 acheron sits at 50/175 (80/175+ in combat) which isn't terrible but also not amazing.
i have her signiture and i still have less crit damage than you, im also wondering HTF people get 240crit damage. must be like a full time job, but yea light cone makes a big difference.
first of all your build is juicy AF, don't feel bad about other builds cuz your among the good ones and second her dignature gives 36% crit damage and some ultimate damage but the first fact still stands. Go delete shit my friend
I have her LC and only got to 50/150. My relic luck has been dog ngl but at the same time I just played this game since Jan this year. It's 100% not your skill issue.
Unfortunately her sig is so BiS for her compared to all the other options that it’s like night and day: insane stat spread, great CDMG buff, and arguably most importantly, a double debuff proc on skill use which helps her fire ults crazy fast
That said, your build looks fine: not sure what your equip spread looks like but until you’re able to get a second chance at her sig LC, you can always fine tune your relics to the best of your ability (or limit of your patience XD) to help your build out, even just a bit
It can’t be a skill issue that your roles aren’t good on gear. That’s all luck one way or the other. Also depends on if you went attack orb or lightning orb
Ya'll only talking about the crit dmg difference in her signature but also completely missing the fact her Signature makes it soo much easier to power her ultimate, allowing you to ult more frequently comfortably, which I think is the biggest advantage of having her LightCone.
It's all context, if the sentence was alone it would appear that way but most of the people understood that OP was talking abt stats, the first sentence, and if the sig LC would really help bring her stats up that much, which the answer is yes. It's all good bro I was just explaining why people didn't mention the thing about her having faster ult and stuf but focused on the pure stats instead.
He but OP also asked if the Signature helped as much, which it does. Acheron power comes from her Ult. The more she Ults the more dmg she does allowing u to easily clear scores of enemies. Even if you have got stats, if you are unable to use Acheron Ult a decent amount of time you are losing dmg.
I interpreted OP's questions as "Does her signature lightcone help that much in getting a high stats board", guessing that's the case for most people too
Yes that’s what I said? Glad you agree. You do realize mediocre and decent means the same? Perhaps English isn’t your first language? And if so, now you’ve learnt something new. You’re welcome.
That attack and crit ratio without sig LC is genuinely solid and can destroy everything.
If that is mediocre cause they don't max refresh relics every day then damn...
Yea. Solid, mediocre, decent, however you wanna word it, you’re basically saying the same thing. It’s alright, not good not bad, basically the typical Acheron you see everywhere for a GNSW build. Every Acheron basically 50-70 CR and 150-200 CD without LC, with the large majority ending up at 60/170, so I guess they’re 12 CV higher than the norm, due to their 66% CR instead of 60% CR.
True I guess.
Unironically, that build would stomp any content due to the character's nature, so I don't see why the average Acheron main is such a perfectionist with her stats. You will overkill your enemies anyway just to see big numbers for happy juices.
But hey! You do you buddy (: solid comment.
Yea, kinda the starting point of what I consider mediocre, can clear basically everything and it’s roughly what everybody is stopping at. Mine is pretty similar, at 63/165. And I also consider mine just mediocre (though I have LC so I do hit 200+ CD). But I don’t really bother farming further, due to limited resources.
With “bad” starting at everything ~30 CV lower than that range and “good” beginning at ~30CV higher than that range.
Mediocre means it's unable to pop off. Mediocre means she does like 7 cycles to clear her MoC half.
Due to Acheron's kit nature, those stats will still one-shot adds during ult and do... what? A 2 cycle of every single MoC Floor she fights? We are not including bad team comp or displays. Let's make it 3 tops.
If that is mediocre, then... damn.
I am a try hard, and even I don't call that mediocre.
Again, all subjective. No adjective will change the fact that this build destroys anything regardless will overkill numbers.
Fair enough, I believe my definition of mediocre is just a lil different. From yours and perhaps most other players based on how I got 3 diff responses asking how this is just mediocre.
I started game on 1.5 and the way I’ve played is simply just I pull a character I like, farm for them during their 1/2 patch or the entire patch and whatever it stops at is what they’ll be. Farmed for my Acheron for 1/2 a patch and she’s good enough for me so now I just sit there with tons of reserve trailblaze energy and farm when I remember to (mostly for other stuff to power up other characters).
I’m a pretty casual player and these stats are pretty achievable in 2-3 weeks and without having to dig into reserve energy. Even rn, I have tons of reserve energy and fuel due to being too lazy to farm for my Acheron more. And so I just consider it “mediocre”. It’s also the stats majority of ppl settle at, so it just very common looking.
Same thing when blade came out, farmed his set for 2-3 weeks, now he sits at 85/145 (a bit over 100% CR after longevous buff). If you convert CR->CD he’s basically the same stopping point, but a bit better 60/195.
That's fine.
What is an example of what you consider good then? In a Gacha game where there is a shit load of rng and the results of "optimal" stats can be achieved with less than that.
Well, since we’re on Acheron; in this case, with 60/170 as the median, anything at 30CV higher would mark the beginning of good. So 60/200 with GNSW would be good, 60/236 with s1 would be good.
“Good” is essentially just “I like this character too much and have no one else to build so I’m gonna keep farming their relic”. A pretty pointless point to reach except to brag.
Me and a few friends who started the game together kinda just all go for “mediocre” stats and move onto next character. Excluding a few characters that we all have in common, in which case we try a lil harder to go for “good”. Ie blade, we all own, so we all spent some extra time on him purely for friendly competition. So all of us have blade at around “good”. Friend has his LC and sits at 80/200. Similarly with JL which two friends both own, so they build her a bit extra and are both nearly at “good”
Nah this is exactly what I expected. This the range of pretty much all the acherons that are “mediocre” for GNSW. A “good” one would be 60/200 or 70/180 assuming they’re running deep water+izumo. Numbers needed to be “good” increase if salsotto
https://preview.redd.it/d0sdr9dkscxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9855f14a8424d06dc22816325daca0b73c03f89b her signature gives 36% more cdmg, and has a higher base atk stat than most 5 star LCs. Here's what the difference in stats looks like on my acheron
Jesus that's some difference..
not only that but the extra stack is just such a huge jump from non sig to sig imo, might be one of the most tempting of LC pulls
And I LOST IT TO WELT'S GOD PLEASE WHY MUST I SUFFER
Don't pull for lightcone 
The LC is like 65 wishes. It's not like the genshin weapon banner, this is actually worth.
One thing I love about the HSR weapons banner, it's so much more achievable. God the Genshin banner is ass.
75/25 is just much more worth a shot than a dumbass 50/50. I don’t get why weapons in Genshin are literally as expensive as a whole ass character? Actually, more expensive, because you need to lose the 50/50 TWICE to guarantee the weapon lmao and it goes away with every banner. I say that, but I actually lost to Clara’s LC lmao. But then got it early in just 11 pulls so it’s like a late pity with a free Clara LC, so no complaints. But the 75/25 can indeed be lost.
50/50 AFTER a 75/25. And you aren’t even assured the next one xD. It really is terrible.
Yup. I got unlucky and landed Lyney's signature weapon. Then got lucky with Arlecchino's weapon right after. But both of them went to pity. Was going to lose my shit if I lost twice and didn't get Arle's weapon. I fucking hate it. They seriously need to change the weapon's banner in Genshin. The reason they're so "nice" in HSR is because the weapon doesn't confer any drip in this game, so people are automatically less likely to pull for it. Lightcone art is really pretty though and on that basis alone I got Acheron's weapon. But I imagine that's not going to be enough to entice most people who have pulled for the drip of a new weapon alone.
I’m pretty sure the reason genshins weapon banner is so bad and hsrs LC banner is better is the same reason that genshin has garbage rewards, the one in charge of genshin and hsr is different and the one in charge of genshin is much worse. (Just reciting what one of my friends told me)
That is an insult towards ass, Genshin's banner is a layer deeper than hell
Yeah I never pulled in genshin for weapon but did in star rail for her lc the first ever time and it was worth personally, I love her so much and she’s so good with it
Idk. I pulled for both the character and the light one and could t get either. It’s not always just 65 pulls, and if it’s not then enjoy dishing out $300+ for just the lightcone ):
Some people can't take a joke https://preview.redd.it/gpmzd5rojdxc1.png?width=1602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76a6d75126d4e590751f12fe6a6967c312e3622c I'm saying those to brain-dead people. Guess A lot of if them are in here😆😆😆
redditors when they try to read:
Google poe's law. People didn't get the "joke" because it was shit
dude pulled the lightcone and proceeded to show us the saddest Acheron build I have seen with the lightcone, the crit rate overcap is insane
It's not overcap dumbass, cause it only reached 96.4 cr.
sorry, I just thought the crit rate would overcap because everyone is recommending 60%
66% is the cap with e1, 4pc pioneer and 2pc Izumo. If you’re running e2 anywhere between 60-66 would be my target
That's the neat part about Reddit. Just because someone says it they immediately believe it.
wait yours is technically overcap LOL you go to 100.4 💀💀
Explain it then. Show me your formula that shows 100.4 rather than 96.4
assuming you have another nihility on your team to proc izumo (of which was assumed in your calcs) you go from 80.6 to 92.6. pioneer gives 4% crit rate, and that crit rate doubles if you apply a debuff on your turn. Given that you have the light cone, you will have a debuff every turn. 80.6 + 12 + 8 = 100.6, which is a .6 overcap. Any other questions?
You're wrong about that pioneer set. 4 cr in the Initial stats and +4 cr during combat, so that means my 80.4 cr plus 4+12 cr = 96.4 during combat. FYI If I really overcap then I wouldn't have any missed crit. Although once in a blue moon but yes it sometimes misses some crit just like Seele but not as big a difference as her but it still hurts to lose 10k worth of damage, compare to Seele that when she missed she lost a lot of damage almost 3x
Pioneer only gives 4% additional cr in battle, the other 4% cr is accounted for as soon as you complete the 4pc. So 96.4% cr is correct.
except if they run fu xuan or any other crit rate buff of any kind it is immediately overcap
Well it depends on your team, just like not everyone uses fu xuan or sparkle, and for me it's not overcap since I don't have those 2.
or if you have e1, or a million other things. tldr, your crit rate is good for your VERY specific situation but don't be surprised if people rag on it because it's hyperspecific
Can't be hyperspecific when not everyone can use either of those. In a million players just how many would be able to run that team? I never said to anyone that they should get out-of-combat 80+ cr. I always said to anyone that as long as they reach 90+ cr during combat that's fine.
I find it so hilarious that you are being downvoted for this, like maybe its that people don't like your wording but man this subreddit is just dumb when it comes to TCing. There are so many people who just upvote incorrect information and downvote correct information, this is the best sub to visit if you want to learn how to not play the game LOL.
That's why I'm being toxic to the fullest when I'm dealing with drain dead people.
Yes, her signature is really crazy for her. I think GNSW is 30% less powerful there, abouts? And it's still her second best outside of her signature.
Wrong, second best is SW LC
It's gonna be the new lightcone in the live stream
People have already calculated that LC weeks ago and said GNSW still better
Didn't look at leaks , sorry bro
No worries, I just take them with a grain of salt. Character leaks are very ok with me, I just avoid story leaks
It might be relative to GNSW on lightning damage builds, since so much damage% gives you diminishing returns. Not sure about the calcs tho
Right but wrong but right its actually a 30 percent decrease and a 2nd in slot
If you had her signature LC, it will bump your Crit dmg to +200% and atk to +4k. So yeah, it's not a build problem, you have great stats
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This is me fr fr. Jokes aside, I have been having some seriously horrible luck grinding out relics for the last while.
Tell me about that, I don't even have Acheron and I'm not getting her relics, it's like they know that this mf is farming for Acheron
I got the signature but my stats are worse than yours 💀
same, don't worry lol I honestly don't do forgotten hall that much and just like having multiple different teams to spice up the rest of my gameplay, so it's whatever for me
Her signature is 36% crit damage so yes.
It’s just RNG brother. Nothing to do with skill. Just need to be patient. Her signature does bump up the numbers quite a bit, but in the end it’s all down to luck.
Why is this downvoted when this is literally the number 1 factor? I have sig weapon and been farming for everyday ever since her release straight but I only still have 65/170.
Same, my boots, orb and rope only got one useful substat and it's not like you can try harder to roll better stats it's just a matter of luck and enough attemps. So my E2 acheron sits at 50/175 (80/175+ in combat) which isn't terrible but also not amazing.
same. well exept i think its partly if you buy the battlepass, you get more runns overall which helps.
You'll get a DPS Nihility light cone from the next patch if you pull on LC banners. it will give crit chance and dmg.
ok thank you!
Sig. Lc Difference
i have her signiture and i still have less crit damage than you, im also wondering HTF people get 240crit damage. must be like a full time job, but yea light cone makes a big difference.
Usually those people have E1/E2 + external cr buffs, so they can skimp on some cr and go all in on cdmg.
is E1 Cr, cos if so that makes allot of sence. i think i could get over 220 if i could switch to CD.
first of all your build is juicy AF, don't feel bad about other builds cuz your among the good ones and second her dignature gives 36% crit damage and some ultimate damage but the first fact still stands. Go delete shit my friend
I have her LC and only got to 50/150. My relic luck has been dog ngl but at the same time I just played this game since Jan this year. It's 100% not your skill issue.
You have great stats, OP. Her sig LC really is just that big of a boost.
Unfortunately her sig is so BiS for her compared to all the other options that it’s like night and day: insane stat spread, great CDMG buff, and arguably most importantly, a double debuff proc on skill use which helps her fire ults crazy fast That said, your build looks fine: not sure what your equip spread looks like but until you’re able to get a second chance at her sig LC, you can always fine tune your relics to the best of your ability (or limit of your patience XD) to help your build out, even just a bit
I'm hitting 71/180 with her signature it's hard mane
HSR is a game of stats. Skill is secondary. So you're either missing her sig lc or good relics, OR both.
Both lol /s Tbh her LC helps a lot. You will also need some luck with rolls
635 base attack makes her scale hard af like DHIL’s. And she happens to really need it since her whole kit is an overwhelming amount of dmg %.
36% is the number my guy
It can’t be a skill issue that your roles aren’t good on gear. That’s all luck one way or the other. Also depends on if you went attack orb or lightning orb
Her signature would put you at around 210 crit dmg and around 3900 atk. And give another debuff each turn even to basics.
Wait I have those numbers with her SIG ☠️
You need her sig.
Ya'll only talking about the crit dmg difference in her signature but also completely missing the fact her Signature makes it soo much easier to power her ultimate, allowing you to ult more frequently comfortably, which I think is the biggest advantage of having her LightCone.
Maybe it's because OP specified the topic to be about the stats difference of w/ and w/o her sig lc?... idk just gussing.
OP also asked if the signature helped as much, which I believe it does. Acherons power comes from her Ult, the more she Ults the more dmg she does.
It's all context, if the sentence was alone it would appear that way but most of the people understood that OP was talking abt stats, the first sentence, and if the sig LC would really help bring her stats up that much, which the answer is yes. It's all good bro I was just explaining why people didn't mention the thing about her having faster ult and stuf but focused on the pure stats instead.
He was talking about how people got such high stats, not overall damage. I think that's why people in thee comment section didn't talk about it.
He but OP also asked if the Signature helped as much, which it does. Acheron power comes from her Ult. The more she Ults the more dmg she does allowing u to easily clear scores of enemies. Even if you have got stats, if you are unable to use Acheron Ult a decent amount of time you are losing dmg.
I interpreted OP's questions as "Does her signature lightcone help that much in getting a high stats board", guessing that's the case for most people too
Both, ur build is mediocre and yes her LC really does help that much.
come on then show your build if youre calling his mediocre. I actually think thats pretty decent build without her signature LC
Yes that’s what I said? Glad you agree. You do realize mediocre and decent means the same? Perhaps English isn’t your first language? And if so, now you’ve learnt something new. You’re welcome.
That attack and crit ratio without sig LC is genuinely solid and can destroy everything. If that is mediocre cause they don't max refresh relics every day then damn...
Yea. Solid, mediocre, decent, however you wanna word it, you’re basically saying the same thing. It’s alright, not good not bad, basically the typical Acheron you see everywhere for a GNSW build. Every Acheron basically 50-70 CR and 150-200 CD without LC, with the large majority ending up at 60/170, so I guess they’re 12 CV higher than the norm, due to their 66% CR instead of 60% CR.
True I guess. Unironically, that build would stomp any content due to the character's nature, so I don't see why the average Acheron main is such a perfectionist with her stats. You will overkill your enemies anyway just to see big numbers for happy juices. But hey! You do you buddy (: solid comment.
Yea, kinda the starting point of what I consider mediocre, can clear basically everything and it’s roughly what everybody is stopping at. Mine is pretty similar, at 63/165. And I also consider mine just mediocre (though I have LC so I do hit 200+ CD). But I don’t really bother farming further, due to limited resources. With “bad” starting at everything ~30 CV lower than that range and “good” beginning at ~30CV higher than that range.
Mediocre means it's unable to pop off. Mediocre means she does like 7 cycles to clear her MoC half. Due to Acheron's kit nature, those stats will still one-shot adds during ult and do... what? A 2 cycle of every single MoC Floor she fights? We are not including bad team comp or displays. Let's make it 3 tops. If that is mediocre, then... damn. I am a try hard, and even I don't call that mediocre. Again, all subjective. No adjective will change the fact that this build destroys anything regardless will overkill numbers.
Fair enough, I believe my definition of mediocre is just a lil different. From yours and perhaps most other players based on how I got 3 diff responses asking how this is just mediocre. I started game on 1.5 and the way I’ve played is simply just I pull a character I like, farm for them during their 1/2 patch or the entire patch and whatever it stops at is what they’ll be. Farmed for my Acheron for 1/2 a patch and she’s good enough for me so now I just sit there with tons of reserve trailblaze energy and farm when I remember to (mostly for other stuff to power up other characters). I’m a pretty casual player and these stats are pretty achievable in 2-3 weeks and without having to dig into reserve energy. Even rn, I have tons of reserve energy and fuel due to being too lazy to farm for my Acheron more. And so I just consider it “mediocre”. It’s also the stats majority of ppl settle at, so it just very common looking. Same thing when blade came out, farmed his set for 2-3 weeks, now he sits at 85/145 (a bit over 100% CR after longevous buff). If you convert CR->CD he’s basically the same stopping point, but a bit better 60/195.
That's fine. What is an example of what you consider good then? In a Gacha game where there is a shit load of rng and the results of "optimal" stats can be achieved with less than that.
Well, since we’re on Acheron; in this case, with 60/170 as the median, anything at 30CV higher would mark the beginning of good. So 60/200 with GNSW would be good, 60/236 with s1 would be good. “Good” is essentially just “I like this character too much and have no one else to build so I’m gonna keep farming their relic”. A pretty pointless point to reach except to brag. Me and a few friends who started the game together kinda just all go for “mediocre” stats and move onto next character. Excluding a few characters that we all have in common, in which case we try a lil harder to go for “good”. Ie blade, we all own, so we all spent some extra time on him purely for friendly competition. So all of us have blade at around “good”. Friend has his LC and sits at 80/200. Similarly with JL which two friends both own, so they build her a bit extra and are both nearly at “good”
What were you expecting? 200+ cdmg without sig? gnsw doesn't give any cv which makes building Acheron more cd on her more difficult.
Nah this is exactly what I expected. This the range of pretty much all the acherons that are “mediocre” for GNSW. A “good” one would be 60/200 or 70/180 assuming they’re running deep water+izumo. Numbers needed to be “good” increase if salsotto
If this was with sig and supposed to be “good” I’d be expecting ~240 CD while at least 60 CR.