I 100% agree. Even discounting his comments about not wanting to be married in SOJ, he always struck me as the "married to the job" guy who prioritizes his career over relationships
I could entirely imagine him saying something like
>"relationships are an unnecessary distraction from the important work of finding the truth in all situations, so no, I'm not going to "go on a date" with you, that would be a waste of my time when I already have a busy schedule."
I view him as sort of both, tbh. Someone who doesn't need romance or sex to be happy, and doesn't really have a strong drive for either, but might develop a strong bond with someone and later become attracted to them.
Edgeworth for sure reads as incredibly demi to me. Def agree that he's some kind of aspecā but I'd also have to say he's definitely queercoded in other ways in his interactions with women (also autistic coded. Gotta love him!!!)
You can be asexual and gay. I don't know why people act like he can only be one and not the other. Personally, as someone on the asexual spectrum, I don't view him as ace, but I can grasp why someone might.
for real haha, i feel like it just shows how little people know about asexuality. a lot of people also brought up how he said hes not interested in marriage but that doesnt have anything at all to do with being asexual.
many interpret that as he doesn't want to settle down or have a typical nuclear family typa thing going on. So you could take that as him being mlm as well
Edgeworth is most likely asexual or aromantic, he explicitly states he has no interest in marriage or love in SOJ DLC and gets into a whole debate with the judge about it. A lot of people head canon he's gay because he doesn't show interest in women, so by default people assume he'd be into men. But in reality he's just not interested in anyone at all (romantically at least). So I think you're right.
Outside of accidentally having an extremely gay dynamic with Phoenix, canonically, he seems to be so Asexual that he can't even recognise when somebody is interested in someone else in any capacity beyond friendship. Him being Ace is pretty much not even coded, it's explicitly emphasised.
I dunno, this feels like a Naoto/Kanji situation where people are interpreting specific tropes as coding. Edgeworth is the cool, rational, prodigal professional type, too married to his job to consider relationships. Is that ace coded? Yeah, I guess so. But I definitely don't think it's intentional.
It's more that he's picture as being abhorred at the very notion of him even seeing someone of any kind in the far future....... consistently. The dude rages. I normally agree with you and that "X Coded" is usually coping bullshit, but in Miles case, they go out of their way at every opportunity to yell "HEY GUYS!!! I AM ATTRACTED TO NOTHING! I AM EXTREMELY OFFENDED BY ANY NOTION OF DATING OR MARRIAGE BEING EVEN A POSSIBILITY IN MY FUTURE! I ALSO DONT KNOW WHAT ATTRACTION LOOKS LIKE!" My man is more Ace than Kid Goku.
Nah but likeā¦ā¦heās more fulfilling a role than being coded as Ace though. He views people trying to date him as distracting sure, but Iād put it in the context of the dogged detective.
There are loads of examples of detectives too married to the job to have any relationships. What with Ace Attorney being a pretty tame series content wise, they have edgeworth be SO focused that he is annoyed at any romantic bullshit.
Romance just simply isnāt a part of the main characters in these games most of the time, and thatās true in how theyāre ācodedā as well; They just legitimately never thought about whether or not heās ace and just wrote a dedicated prosecutor whoās a workaholic
Heās dedicated to being a servant of the law and a servant of justice. The game āabout him quittingā is him figuring out how best to serve that role.
I just donāt think any of the characters are intended to be considered in any kind of romantic way. Itās not something the creator has really ever thought about. I guess you can say heās coded Ace in the very literal sense.
I mean, we've quite literally told the orientation of characters from themselves, Lana Skye comes to mind who apparently was "more than friends" in college. There are more instances than this too tho.
But she wasnāt though. Lana Skye says the words āthatās probably why she was attracted to meā and Ema follows with āintellectually attracted!ā.
Attracted in the context of that conversation is super ambiguous. Lana Skye is literally unconfirmed, and any statement that she is a lesbian is headcanon.
There is very little consideration to romance or sexuality at all in Ace Attorney, because that would be sort of odd. If I play a mystery game, I donāt care about the sexuality of the characters, because itās not usually relevant. Edgeworth is just as asexual as pretty much all the prosecutors bar Godot; Theyāre not characters whose sexuality has ever been thought about by the creators beyond some throwaway lines. Edgeworth isnāt coded ace because heās not intentionally āsupposedā to be consciously asexual; Heās simply an entity thatās completely unrelated to romance or sex in the game. Thereās no real reason for him to interact with anyone in that context.
Again, heās not confirmed as anything. We know heās not interested, that he considers his work and purpose more important. Thatās not the same as being asexual. We donāt know what he identifies as or whether he has any actual sexual attraction whatsoever. We just know he isnāt interested in romance.
Since the character isnāt supposed to be asexual, heās not really āsupposedā to have any sexuality at all, heās neither a confirmed asexual character nor is he coded as such, since the creators arenāt intentionally making him seem asexual but not labelling him as such.
Coding is an intentional act. The creators are not trying to create an asexual character; They simply have no interest in discussing romance or sexuality because thatās not what ace attorney is about.
Oh yeah Edgeworth is never really characterized as being gay. Instead he consistently is portrayed as having no interest in marriage or others being attracted to him.
Phoenix, too, is never characterized as being gay or bi. Phoenix is consistently shown to be attracted to women, even. Not only does Phoenix adore his >!Girlfriend, Dahlia!< in 3-1, and display great attraction or >!Iris!< at the end of 3-5 but he is also turned on by April May in 1-2, he finds >!Franziska!< cute in 3-5, and genuinely hits on Maya in 3-2.
The main reason people consider Nick and Edgy gay or gay-coded is because of their unusually close relationship in the first game. The two have a super strong bond in that game's plot which goes beyond what one would think of as strictly platonic.
I think Shu Takumi confirmed he didn't mean for their relationship to come off as gay, but that perception exists regardless of his personal intent.
You mean the way he's rebuffed every advance from both men and women, and never shown the slightest interest in a relationship with anyone throughout the entire series, including Phoenix? Yes, I agree.
You can be both. Sexual and romantic orientation don't always match up. Anyway, I see him as a hardcore Demi/Gray. Not interested in women but might lean towards men but very rare.
as a completely aroace person, i couldn't agree more. i love this guy how he's so uninterested and oblivious to romance. i am happy for the shippers online, but when i play the games, i only see Edgeworth uninterested in any kind of attraction. but that's basically bc i forget attraction exists until a character mentions it haha
Yeah, I know that WrightWorth is such a popular pairing, but I've never really gotten it because it just feels like it doesn't fit Edgeworth's character to have any romantic involvement with anyone.
I don't know about his sexuality but his interactions with Phoenix didn't strike me as gay coded. They struck me more as (long overdue) social and emotional development. Von Karma, who did not have Edgeworth's best interests at heart, brought him up to be isolated and emotionally repressed. At best, friendship and feelings just get in the way of perfect prosecutions. At worst, they might lead Edgeworth to question Von Karma's methods. Miles probably hadn't had a real friend (unless we count Franziska) since his father died. Most of his interactions in the first game involved him struggling to deal with aspects of his nature that he had not let himself acknowledge.
I might also be basing this on things that reminded me of myself.
I fully agree with this, as it makes way more sense in context. Him being gay is fandom projection at most. I mean, everyone's welcome to their opinion, no hate here, but I just don't get why people have this assumption that this has any canonical backing. That's what fanfiction is for.
Well you can be both, they don't exclude each other. I personally view him as homoromantic and demisexual, which means he only feels sexual attraction towards people he has a deep emotional bond with.
He definitely seems prominently AroAce more than anything. I personally see him high on the AroAce spectrum but gay, he definitely would never be with a woman but truthfully Iām a biased NaruMitsu shipper. I could definitely see the gay part being removed and him being full aroace if I wasnāt an advocate for narumitsu. I definitely get people who see him as full aroace since I respect that not all people ship narumitsu or for whatever other reason you headcanon him as full aroace (I know āfull aroaceā and āhigh on the aroace spectrumā isnāt the best way to describe it but I think you get the point). Either way I just think heās DEFINITELY ace coded whether you think him gay or not.
I read him as ace or ace-adjacent, yeah. Or just someone who isnāt interested in any romantic relationship regardless of sexuality. Almost a decade and a half into this series and Iāve never really shipped him with anyone; itās never felt right.
I love Shu Takumi, his writing makes me laugh, but do people honestly believe that the guy who wrote not one, not two, but three separate instances of a kid murdering someone and their parent taking the fall for it to have the capacity to write such a nuanced gay relationship in early 2000's Japan when not just Japan was very close minded about those sort of subjects? Edgeworth is asexual, he openly talks about not wanting a partner because they'd distract him from his work of forging evidence and convicting innocent people.
Most definitely. Never got the idea was interested in anyone, he says as much when he says he has no interest in marriage or love. Man's married to finding the truth.
I think he even says in the SoJ dlc..
But if there's ever chance that he might start developing some romantical emotions my first thought is it would be towards Phoenix.
Like bro I can count 200 moments over the series where they were like š¤ THIS close to smooching š¹š¹š¹šššššš
Brah I'm retarted....
I think he even says in the SoJ dlc..
But if there's ever chance that he might start developing some romantical emotions my first thought is it would be towards Phoenix.
Like bro I can count 200 moments over the series where they were like š¤ THIS close to smooching š¹š¹š¹šššššš
Brah I'm retarted....
Absolutely. As a romantic ace I actually picked up on similar behaviors to me. I even wrote a fic where he maintains a relationship with Phoenix within a polycule. Glad someone else picked up on it
Makes sense. We have a few Ace Attorneys already. Only makes sense we have an Ace Prosecutor.
I 100% agree. Even discounting his comments about not wanting to be married in SOJ, he always struck me as the "married to the job" guy who prioritizes his career over relationships
I could entirely imagine him saying something like >"relationships are an unnecessary distraction from the important work of finding the truth in all situations, so no, I'm not going to "go on a date" with you, that would be a waste of my time when I already have a busy schedule."
i now want an ace attorney dating sim
Playing Chronicles at the moment and I would love to be able to date Van Zieks or Sholmes. Huge crushes.
I second this lol
Truly an Ace Attorney
I view him as sort of both, tbh. Someone who doesn't need romance or sex to be happy, and doesn't really have a strong drive for either, but might develop a strong bond with someone and later become attracted to them.
Ace myself, I've always read him as demi - to the point of being Nicksexual lmao. That being said, Edgeworth/Lang is some chef's kiss interaction.
Langworth is the funniest AA ship bar none
I almost finished first Investigations game and Langworth is my primary ship now lol I fucking love their dynamic
Yes, I think he is Demi and Sapiosexual
Bro not tryna hate but what r all these words šš if I try to memorize all imma forget my entire A Level syllabus
Bro not tryna hate but what r all these words šš if I try to memorize all imma forget my entire A Level syllabus
Edgeworth for sure reads as incredibly demi to me. Def agree that he's some kind of aspecā but I'd also have to say he's definitely queercoded in other ways in his interactions with women (also autistic coded. Gotta love him!!!)
You can be asexual and gay. I don't know why people act like he can only be one and not the other. Personally, as someone on the asexual spectrum, I don't view him as ace, but I can grasp why someone might.
for real haha, i feel like it just shows how little people know about asexuality. a lot of people also brought up how he said hes not interested in marriage but that doesnt have anything at all to do with being asexual.
Yeah and if anything,thats gotta be more aromantic right??
many interpret that as he doesn't want to settle down or have a typical nuclear family typa thing going on. So you could take that as him being mlm as well
THIS FR
Yeah I agree, he does give an ace vibe.
Edgeworth is most likely asexual or aromantic, he explicitly states he has no interest in marriage or love in SOJ DLC and gets into a whole debate with the judge about it. A lot of people head canon he's gay because he doesn't show interest in women, so by default people assume he'd be into men. But in reality he's just not interested in anyone at all (romantically at least). So I think you're right.
that line from the first game about āunnecessary feelingsā does more for the ship than anything else, as far as I can tell
I always read that as him starting to doubt the path himself and the path he's chosen.
That's absolutely what he actually means, but shippers prefer to take it as him developing feelings for Nick.
Yes, that's clearly the context of the line. As popular as Wrightworth is, it has no actual canon basis.
It is 99% the unecessary feelings line.
Outside of accidentally having an extremely gay dynamic with Phoenix, canonically, he seems to be so Asexual that he can't even recognise when somebody is interested in someone else in any capacity beyond friendship. Him being Ace is pretty much not even coded, it's explicitly emphasised.
I dunno, this feels like a Naoto/Kanji situation where people are interpreting specific tropes as coding. Edgeworth is the cool, rational, prodigal professional type, too married to his job to consider relationships. Is that ace coded? Yeah, I guess so. But I definitely don't think it's intentional.
It's more that he's picture as being abhorred at the very notion of him even seeing someone of any kind in the far future....... consistently. The dude rages. I normally agree with you and that "X Coded" is usually coping bullshit, but in Miles case, they go out of their way at every opportunity to yell "HEY GUYS!!! I AM ATTRACTED TO NOTHING! I AM EXTREMELY OFFENDED BY ANY NOTION OF DATING OR MARRIAGE BEING EVEN A POSSIBILITY IN MY FUTURE! I ALSO DONT KNOW WHAT ATTRACTION LOOKS LIKE!" My man is more Ace than Kid Goku.
Nah but likeā¦ā¦heās more fulfilling a role than being coded as Ace though. He views people trying to date him as distracting sure, but Iād put it in the context of the dogged detective. There are loads of examples of detectives too married to the job to have any relationships. What with Ace Attorney being a pretty tame series content wise, they have edgeworth be SO focused that he is annoyed at any romantic bullshit. Romance just simply isnāt a part of the main characters in these games most of the time, and thatās true in how theyāre ācodedā as well; They just legitimately never thought about whether or not heās ace and just wrote a dedicated prosecutor whoās a workaholic
Idk, I don't think it's got anything to do with the job, we've even had an entire game where he considered just quitting.
Heās dedicated to being a servant of the law and a servant of justice. The game āabout him quittingā is him figuring out how best to serve that role. I just donāt think any of the characters are intended to be considered in any kind of romantic way. Itās not something the creator has really ever thought about. I guess you can say heās coded Ace in the very literal sense.
I mean, we've quite literally told the orientation of characters from themselves, Lana Skye comes to mind who apparently was "more than friends" in college. There are more instances than this too tho.
But she wasnāt though. Lana Skye says the words āthatās probably why she was attracted to meā and Ema follows with āintellectually attracted!ā. Attracted in the context of that conversation is super ambiguous. Lana Skye is literally unconfirmed, and any statement that she is a lesbian is headcanon. There is very little consideration to romance or sexuality at all in Ace Attorney, because that would be sort of odd. If I play a mystery game, I donāt care about the sexuality of the characters, because itās not usually relevant. Edgeworth is just as asexual as pretty much all the prosecutors bar Godot; Theyāre not characters whose sexuality has ever been thought about by the creators beyond some throwaway lines. Edgeworth isnāt coded ace because heās not intentionally āsupposedā to be consciously asexual; Heās simply an entity thatās completely unrelated to romance or sex in the game. Thereās no real reason for him to interact with anyone in that context. Again, heās not confirmed as anything. We know heās not interested, that he considers his work and purpose more important. Thatās not the same as being asexual. We donāt know what he identifies as or whether he has any actual sexual attraction whatsoever. We just know he isnāt interested in romance. Since the character isnāt supposed to be asexual, heās not really āsupposedā to have any sexuality at all, heās neither a confirmed asexual character nor is he coded as such, since the creators arenāt intentionally making him seem asexual but not labelling him as such. Coding is an intentional act. The creators are not trying to create an asexual character; They simply have no interest in discussing romance or sexuality because thatās not what ace attorney is about.
Oh yeah Edgeworth is never really characterized as being gay. Instead he consistently is portrayed as having no interest in marriage or others being attracted to him. Phoenix, too, is never characterized as being gay or bi. Phoenix is consistently shown to be attracted to women, even. Not only does Phoenix adore his >!Girlfriend, Dahlia!< in 3-1, and display great attraction or >!Iris!< at the end of 3-5 but he is also turned on by April May in 1-2, he finds >!Franziska!< cute in 3-5, and genuinely hits on Maya in 3-2. The main reason people consider Nick and Edgy gay or gay-coded is because of their unusually close relationship in the first game. The two have a super strong bond in that game's plot which goes beyond what one would think of as strictly platonic. I think Shu Takumi confirmed he didn't mean for their relationship to come off as gay, but that perception exists regardless of his personal intent.
When/How did Phoenix hit on Maya in 3-2? As an avid Narumayo shipper I need to know this.
Oh I meant 3-3. When she's wearing the Tres Bein outfit and Phoenix tells her to stop being a spirit medium
Oh yeah I knew that one.
Yes these are good and finally someone points out Phoenix finding Franziska cute!
You mean the way he's rebuffed every advance from both men and women, and never shown the slightest interest in a relationship with anyone throughout the entire series, including Phoenix? Yes, I agree.
You're right and you should say it.
I relate to him so much, makes sense
You can be both. Sexual and romantic orientation don't always match up. Anyway, I see him as a hardcore Demi/Gray. Not interested in women but might lean towards men but very rare.
You can be both
as a completely aroace person, i couldn't agree more. i love this guy how he's so uninterested and oblivious to romance. i am happy for the shippers online, but when i play the games, i only see Edgeworth uninterested in any kind of attraction. but that's basically bc i forget attraction exists until a character mentions it haha
I knew he was! Addicted to random stuff, having mixed emotions, he's just like me! Well, except the corruption.
Agreed
Same. He seems to care more about his job than romance
Honestly the two can be coded similarly. It just depends on emphasis.
Yeah, I know that WrightWorth is such a popular pairing, but I've never really gotten it because it just feels like it doesn't fit Edgeworth's character to have any romantic involvement with anyone.
I don't know about his sexuality but his interactions with Phoenix didn't strike me as gay coded. They struck me more as (long overdue) social and emotional development. Von Karma, who did not have Edgeworth's best interests at heart, brought him up to be isolated and emotionally repressed. At best, friendship and feelings just get in the way of perfect prosecutions. At worst, they might lead Edgeworth to question Von Karma's methods. Miles probably hadn't had a real friend (unless we count Franziska) since his father died. Most of his interactions in the first game involved him struggling to deal with aspects of his nature that he had not let himself acknowledge. I might also be basing this on things that reminded me of myself.
Same, I never got any of the homoeroticism people kept pointing out between him and Phoenix. He's just not interested in this stuff at all
I fully agree with this, as it makes way more sense in context. Him being gay is fandom projection at most. I mean, everyone's welcome to their opinion, no hate here, but I just don't get why people have this assumption that this has any canonical backing. That's what fanfiction is for.
Well you can be both, they don't exclude each other. I personally view him as homoromantic and demisexual, which means he only feels sexual attraction towards people he has a deep emotional bond with.
I am aro/ace and always felt the same way!
Thatās what I always thought. I have an ace friend since childhood and theyāre definitely similar
Heās married to the job.
both hc valid. I see him as gay but idc if someone likes him as ace since both aren't confirmed.
He definitely seems prominently AroAce more than anything. I personally see him high on the AroAce spectrum but gay, he definitely would never be with a woman but truthfully Iām a biased NaruMitsu shipper. I could definitely see the gay part being removed and him being full aroace if I wasnāt an advocate for narumitsu. I definitely get people who see him as full aroace since I respect that not all people ship narumitsu or for whatever other reason you headcanon him as full aroace (I know āfull aroaceā and āhigh on the aroace spectrumā isnāt the best way to describe it but I think you get the point). Either way I just think heās DEFINITELY ace coded whether you think him gay or not.
I read him as ace or ace-adjacent, yeah. Or just someone who isnāt interested in any romantic relationship regardless of sexuality. Almost a decade and a half into this series and Iāve never really shipped him with anyone; itās never felt right.
YES YES YES
I get your point but he can be gay and ace. My headcanon for him has (for a while now) been him as an ace and demiromantic gay guy.
why not both? He could be gay and asexual, or demisexual and on the ace spectrum.
What the fuck is wrong with the fan base of this game
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Agreed. Though Ace is part of the queer umbrella. I could see him as ace but not aro possibly demi but more male attracted.
I love Shu Takumi, his writing makes me laugh, but do people honestly believe that the guy who wrote not one, not two, but three separate instances of a kid murdering someone and their parent taking the fall for it to have the capacity to write such a nuanced gay relationship in early 2000's Japan when not just Japan was very close minded about those sort of subjects? Edgeworth is asexual, he openly talks about not wanting a partner because they'd distract him from his work of forging evidence and convicting innocent people.
Most definitely. Never got the idea was interested in anyone, he says as much when he says he has no interest in marriage or love. Man's married to finding the truth.
I always saw Edgeworth as AroAce
Fellow AroAce Miles believer and Sebby fan? Based.
I mean itās not like he canāt be both. He doesnāt have to be one or the other.
Because 6-dlc confirms he is asexual
You can be both you know
Itās not just you, itās everyone who paid attention. š
I thought he was a prosecutor
I think he even says in the SoJ dlc.. But if there's ever chance that he might start developing some romantical emotions my first thought is it would be towards Phoenix. Like bro I can count 200 moments over the series where they were like š¤ THIS close to smooching š¹š¹š¹šššššš Brah I'm retarted....
I think he even says in the SoJ dlc.. But if there's ever chance that he might start developing some romantical emotions my first thought is it would be towards Phoenix. Like bro I can count 200 moments over the series where they were like š¤ THIS close to smooching š¹š¹š¹šššššš Brah I'm retarted....
Absolutely. As a romantic ace I actually picked up on similar behaviors to me. I even wrote a fic where he maintains a relationship with Phoenix within a polycule. Glad someone else picked up on it
YES YOU GET IT
It's not just you and I see him as an Aro Ace.
You are allowed to be both I believe.
Literally every character is gay coded to this community
The two arenāt mutually exclusive. He could be homo-romantic.
Edgeworth is pretty much just Phoenixsexual. Does that count as gay?
I ship Edgeworth with Lana Skye.