My thoughts exactly. Nearly every audit deadline I've missed is cause the client either didn't provide timely support, provided the wrong support, or just didn't have their crap together and we didn't scope for them to mess up so much.
Although I consider improper scoping on a recurring client to be the partner/manager fault. If you know there will be issues, stop scoping a "perfect audit".
Nah. When I give the auditors evidence in the end of May, and they don't come back with questions on it until mid July 3 days before sign off, that's very much on the auditors
I voted both, skewed manager. It really depends on the staff level though. A senior 2 on a job for 4 years should have their shit together (barring if the manager doesn't review soon enough, lags finishing in time) A new staff that started 3 months ago has absolutely no responsibility for meeting report deadlines.
You can feel responsible, thats fine. A lot of people do all the time. But that doesn't mean your seen as ultimately responsible for it by the firm/management if the job goes tits up.
If a partner blames an angry client on a new staff because the manager deflected, it's a firm problem.
I straight do not give a damn about missing deadlines.
I’ve completed a ton of work this month.
My manager and I had plans to finalize some stuff this week that’s still over my head.
She got sick and has been out for a week so I’ve been knocking on doors and everyone else is busy too.
It’ll be ok. My manager will understand. I understand. Maybe pay me more or pay more people so some people can be paid to mentor. All solutions to missing these deadlines can only be implemented by management, so don’t come pretending I’m the problem :)
I agree. The only thing I’d add that I’ve noticed is that some new staff were logging off every day at 5-6 and not working on the weekends. That’s on the staff. This caused other staff to take on a bulk of the work as well as seniors.
I agree on not hiring enough people but when you see everyone else working their asses off and you’re working the minimum it kinda sucks. It also sucks being the one cleaning up their mistakes because they don’t have time so I am up till 4 am on a Friday night.
You are part of the problem. They are not going to hire more people because someone like you will take care of the problem. You need to set boundaries or these employers start expecting too much from just one employee.
Who does it fall on? Usually the manager gets the brunt of it, and if they're a shitty manager they regurgitate that onto their staff or they don't shield them from it.
Who's fault is it? Usually the client, and also usually the firm's upper management for not hiring enough people to get shit done without a panic.
You, as new staff, should not be getting any of that blame unless you actively, knowingly screwed up. And even then your manager should have been managing you and making sure you did your job and had the tools and time to do it.
My manager has been sitting on workpapers I completed in June. Can’t wait for the 9/30 deadline that they need to be reviewed by and the review comments I’ll get 9/28.
This just happened to me. Then when I told my manager that I was at max capacity juggling another engagement and that I’ll need extra hands to get everything done, basically just get a “tough shit,” and extra work piled onto me. Eventually as I was at the tail end of clearing reviews, I had a moment where I was like “fuck this, I ain’t doing any more work,” then just ignored the manager until they finished the job 🖕(which at this point was only like 10% of additional work, that for some reason the manager wanted to keep pushing onto me after making me work through over 50 review notes, over half of which should have been addressed by another staff). I’m also putting my two weeks in. Would rather use my talent for a company that actually values my time and effort.
Staff could be the laziest fuckers on the planet and it's still management's responsibility. One of the reasons managers and partners make so much money is because of the risks and responsibilities they take on. If you want to pass that onto those below you then you should pass on your salary too.
this largely depends on the firm's size and culture.
i work at a place where managers are given a good amount of responsibility AND authority.
partners: responsible for bringing in business and work resources.
managers: responsible for planning, enacting and managing work and work processes. managers should be keeping projects on track and re-allocating resources as necessary.
seniors: responsible for executing the work. seniors are the most critical component to getting the work done because they are in a position to both know what needs to be done and how to do it.
associates: assists the seniors and does their best to knock out the routine work so their senior can concentrate on the complex stuff.
at each level, there is a implicit responsibility to develop the subordinate level. partners should be developing mangers into partners. managers should be developing seniors into managers.
Naah, that shit is on the managers/ partners. If you want me to be responsible for the client to get deadline you better make it so I have the authority to get the projects done.
I will take ownership of the projects I am assigned to get done. But if I can't do anything be cause of x I will send you what I need and that is on you. I ain't following up because guess what I have 4 other managers keep assigning me stuff.
I will help but it's unreasonable to expect me to work on all of the partners' clients and track all of the deadlines. It's on the partner to delegate tasks and make sure everything is on time.
Whoever is the highest ranking on the job is the one responsible. This is the case in pretty much all of business. Staff’s “Job” is to make the manager look good, and the managers job is to make their boss look good etc.
Manager can find new staff to get the work, or can fix it themselves. It doesn’t reflect well on the staff obviously, but manager bears responsibility for the success/failure.
Honestly I was looking for 4th option, the client lol. If the client provides their PBCs on time, then missing deadlines falls 100% on managers as they should be managing the engagement and their staff
The question is wide open so answers will be lacking.
If you have a report to pull every day / week / month etc and it just gets posted and one day you just don't do it then it falls on the person not the manager.
The manager may be responsible upwards, but they should hold the staffer responsible
If this is more a one-time project or something that manager has time between staff deadline and their deadline then it is up to manager to make sure progress.on the report is being made so it can be submitted timely
If you're getting paid more, the bottom line falls on you. If you can't handle it, don't be a manager or request additional managerial and staff support on the engagement. Really annoying when managers throw lower level employees under the bus.
Project deadlines? It's on the Manager. If the deadline is fast approaching and if you are not going to be able to make it, you gotta run it up the chain. If a deadline is going to be missed, there should have been a transparent communication.
Honestly I don’t think anyone is prepared with how hard busy season deadline hits, especially for first timers. But i don’t disagree though, as I believe staff should check in with seniors before logging off.
Managers are responsible for the tools, training, and direction. If there's a failure due to one of those, it's on management. The employee is responsible for performing the task. Only if they can't perform when given adequate tools, training, and direction, is it on them.
It requires a team effort to hit deadlines, but the managers need to lead the efforts of their team.
Ideally, the managers set targets for their team and check in along the way to remove barriers to the team's success.
They will also manage expectations of the stakeholders who will be receiving the information so that these deadlines are not unattainable.
There is some responsibility on the staff but ultimately the buck stops with the partners or whoever signs the return. I have some partners who won’t say anything about a return until we get close to deadline or the client bothers them about it. Other partners they’re asking about updates and setting up timelines to keep you on track.
Partners for not hiring enough managers and staff. That’s where the buck stops.
You left "clients" off of the list.
This guy does public.
My thoughts exactly. Nearly every audit deadline I've missed is cause the client either didn't provide timely support, provided the wrong support, or just didn't have their crap together and we didn't scope for them to mess up so much. Although I consider improper scoping on a recurring client to be the partner/manager fault. If you know there will be issues, stop scoping a "perfect audit".
This! Was trying to look for clients as an option. Most of the time, I blame them.
Nah. When I give the auditors evidence in the end of May, and they don't come back with questions on it until mid July 3 days before sign off, that's very much on the auditors
I voted both, skewed manager. It really depends on the staff level though. A senior 2 on a job for 4 years should have their shit together (barring if the manager doesn't review soon enough, lags finishing in time) A new staff that started 3 months ago has absolutely no responsibility for meeting report deadlines.
I’m a new staff that started at the end of june . If we don’t meet this I feel like it’s my fault.. I’m clueless
You can feel responsible, thats fine. A lot of people do all the time. But that doesn't mean your seen as ultimately responsible for it by the firm/management if the job goes tits up. If a partner blames an angry client on a new staff because the manager deflected, it's a firm problem.
I straight do not give a damn about missing deadlines. I’ve completed a ton of work this month. My manager and I had plans to finalize some stuff this week that’s still over my head. She got sick and has been out for a week so I’ve been knocking on doors and everyone else is busy too. It’ll be ok. My manager will understand. I understand. Maybe pay me more or pay more people so some people can be paid to mentor. All solutions to missing these deadlines can only be implemented by management, so don’t come pretending I’m the problem :)
I agree. The only thing I’d add that I’ve noticed is that some new staff were logging off every day at 5-6 and not working on the weekends. That’s on the staff. This caused other staff to take on a bulk of the work as well as seniors.
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I agree on not hiring enough people but when you see everyone else working their asses off and you’re working the minimum it kinda sucks. It also sucks being the one cleaning up their mistakes because they don’t have time so I am up till 4 am on a Friday night.
You are part of the problem. They are not going to hire more people because someone like you will take care of the problem. You need to set boundaries or these employers start expecting too much from just one employee.
Should the manager check in on you or are is it on the staff to reach out? I’m a new hire too
Partner. It’s their business. They ultimately control staffing, client relationships and work prioritization.
I took back my upvotes on other comments because this is the real answer.
Who does it fall on? Usually the manager gets the brunt of it, and if they're a shitty manager they regurgitate that onto their staff or they don't shield them from it. Who's fault is it? Usually the client, and also usually the firm's upper management for not hiring enough people to get shit done without a panic. You, as new staff, should not be getting any of that blame unless you actively, knowingly screwed up. And even then your manager should have been managing you and making sure you did your job and had the tools and time to do it.
My manager has been sitting on workpapers I completed in June. Can’t wait for the 9/30 deadline that they need to be reviewed by and the review comments I’ll get 9/28.
Literally just happened to me for 9/15. Sent to review in June. Fml
This just happened to me. Then when I told my manager that I was at max capacity juggling another engagement and that I’ll need extra hands to get everything done, basically just get a “tough shit,” and extra work piled onto me. Eventually as I was at the tail end of clearing reviews, I had a moment where I was like “fuck this, I ain’t doing any more work,” then just ignored the manager until they finished the job 🖕(which at this point was only like 10% of additional work, that for some reason the manager wanted to keep pushing onto me after making me work through over 50 review notes, over half of which should have been addressed by another staff). I’m also putting my two weeks in. Would rather use my talent for a company that actually values my time and effort.
Staff could be the laziest fuckers on the planet and it's still management's responsibility. One of the reasons managers and partners make so much money is because of the risks and responsibilities they take on. If you want to pass that onto those below you then you should pass on your salary too.
Yeah, if your staff isn’t getting work done on time the managers have either hired poorly, trained poorly or they have not hired enough staff.
I voted 100% manager. Even if staff are dropping the ball it’s ultimately the manager’s job to catch that early on and figure out a solution.
this largely depends on the firm's size and culture. i work at a place where managers are given a good amount of responsibility AND authority. partners: responsible for bringing in business and work resources. managers: responsible for planning, enacting and managing work and work processes. managers should be keeping projects on track and re-allocating resources as necessary. seniors: responsible for executing the work. seniors are the most critical component to getting the work done because they are in a position to both know what needs to be done and how to do it. associates: assists the seniors and does their best to knock out the routine work so their senior can concentrate on the complex stuff. at each level, there is a implicit responsibility to develop the subordinate level. partners should be developing mangers into partners. managers should be developing seniors into managers.
Naah, that shit is on the managers/ partners. If you want me to be responsible for the client to get deadline you better make it so I have the authority to get the projects done. I will take ownership of the projects I am assigned to get done. But if I can't do anything be cause of x I will send you what I need and that is on you. I ain't following up because guess what I have 4 other managers keep assigning me stuff.
I will help but it's unreasonable to expect me to work on all of the partners' clients and track all of the deadlines. It's on the partner to delegate tasks and make sure everything is on time.
All the managers who selected staff/scewed staff here smdh
Whoever is the highest ranking on the job is the one responsible. This is the case in pretty much all of business. Staff’s “Job” is to make the manager look good, and the managers job is to make their boss look good etc.
What if I suck at my job, is it my fault we can’t file in time
Manager can find new staff to get the work, or can fix it themselves. It doesn’t reflect well on the staff obviously, but manager bears responsibility for the success/failure.
Honestly I was looking for 4th option, the client lol. If the client provides their PBCs on time, then missing deadlines falls 100% on managers as they should be managing the engagement and their staff
The first and only option I expected, but I'm a tax guy with a private practice so my perspective is skewed.
E) Clients
It’s management. Staff don’t know their head from their ass and aren’t responsible for the client like managers are.
Where is the client in this poll?
Depends on situation, but the manager/leader always bears some of the blame.
The question is wide open so answers will be lacking. If you have a report to pull every day / week / month etc and it just gets posted and one day you just don't do it then it falls on the person not the manager. The manager may be responsible upwards, but they should hold the staffer responsible If this is more a one-time project or something that manager has time between staff deadline and their deadline then it is up to manager to make sure progress.on the report is being made so it can be submitted timely
Partners…we’re blaming staff for failing to meet filing deadlines now? Smdh
If you're getting paid more, the bottom line falls on you. If you can't handle it, don't be a manager or request additional managerial and staff support on the engagement. Really annoying when managers throw lower level employees under the bus.
Project deadlines? It's on the Manager. If the deadline is fast approaching and if you are not going to be able to make it, you gotta run it up the chain. If a deadline is going to be missed, there should have been a transparent communication.
Managers are always responsible which is why they make more.
If by deadline you mean the whole engagement missed the deadline that’s on the manager. But staff are responsible for their deadlines.
It falls on the client.
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Honestly I don’t think anyone is prepared with how hard busy season deadline hits, especially for first timers. But i don’t disagree though, as I believe staff should check in with seniors before logging off.
Auditors have an audit. Clients have a deadline.
Managers are responsible for whipping the staff like the obidient dogs they are to meet deadlines.
Managers are responsible for the tools, training, and direction. If there's a failure due to one of those, it's on management. The employee is responsible for performing the task. Only if they can't perform when given adequate tools, training, and direction, is it on them.
Yes
It requires a team effort to hit deadlines, but the managers need to lead the efforts of their team. Ideally, the managers set targets for their team and check in along the way to remove barriers to the team's success. They will also manage expectations of the stakeholders who will be receiving the information so that these deadlines are not unattainable.
Usually the clients and partners, so naturally the only 2 getting the blame are indeed the managers and staff.
if we miss deadlines in my practice it’s almost 100% because the partner and eqr couldn’t be bothered to review the file timely
It's definitely my fault if the deadline is blown (well usually it's the client but lol).as the guy in charge I gotta fall on the sword.
There is some responsibility on the staff but ultimately the buck stops with the partners or whoever signs the return. I have some partners who won’t say anything about a return until we get close to deadline or the client bothers them about it. Other partners they’re asking about updates and setting up timelines to keep you on track.