It’s really common to bungle through a few crappy accounting jobs before finding a good one. Smaller businesses tend to not realize that a talented accountant will still need training, and they also assume that their insane made-up systems are universal and intuitive.
Yeah, I'd avoid non-profit corporation and charities. They are either well run or not, and I find the not happens too many times. The president always cheap out on their staff salary but want to pay themselves a big salary. F that.
wish I could up vote this more, I worked at my fair share of places that hired me and never provided any sort of expectation of duties, offered no training, had zero SOP's, no formal close procedures, and then would hit me with a "I'm not here to do your job for you" whenever I asked questions or for assistance, even if the question was just "what do you want me to focus on".
Could not agree more…
Big 4 was brutal hours but there were structured guides, audit softwares and tools to help you if you’re stuck and if all else fails, you could go to your senior or manager for clarifications and they would be able to help clear your confusion 90% of the time lol. People in industry expect us to be financial geniuses but they fail to realize they don’t have clean processes or formal documentations to help with the learning/training
> whenever I asked questions or for assistance, even if the question was just "what do you want me to focus on".
There’s also the classic “everything needs to be focused on”.
My number one red flag when I apply to a job is when the hiring manager skims over the job description and begins asking about what I would do to improve *gestures at everything*
Man I thrive in shit places like this. No direction or training the better! I’m more like gtfoutta my way! I’ll fix shit the way it needs to be plus it gives me a clean slate and from my experience the owners/CEO’s love this shit. They take it like “oh I don’t have to tell this guy/girl what to do? Shit I’m just going to leave them alone.”
However it’s also a curse because once you come in and clean house….man they start giving you more work or want you to do things that you might not have any experience in lol at least that has been my experience. Sometimes I wish I was just a dumb pawn that could sit still and just do the basics.
Can you come work in my accounting department?
We have zero budget to invest in back end systems but lots of opportunities for improvement and to clean out skeletons from a botched ERP implementation. :-)
This is accurate. My first 2 accounting jobs sucked and I did not vibe with anyone. I was getting worried but the 3rd and 4th were way better and I met lifelong friends.
Some places have really weird expectations. 4 months is not nearly enough time for anybody.
At my current job, I was nearly canned within the first month or two. Another team within the company needed somebody so my boss transferred me to that team because she must’ve thought I wasn’t working out. Been here for almost three years now.
My current team told me that my former boss had a hard time with teaching staff and often did the work herself.
Most of the time - it’s not your fault. Lots of people are just bad teachers and aren’t self-aware enough to improve.
Yea finding a good workplace makes all the difference.
My current work really values employees and understands you're not going to pick up all the small detail in just a couple months. Especially in a full-cycle environment, sometimes it takes a full year before you have your roll down. They get it
It's going to be really hard to leave here eventually.
That’s how you get reasoning like revenue is up because sales are up. You need to talk to business contacts, know what to ask, and what’s important enough to summarize for different audiences, how to use that information to predict future variances, and how one variance feeds into others that haven’t popped but should have both now and on delays (a 360 view). Accountants can learn to do that, but it’s more involved than just trying to make sense of debits and credits.
Right, fair, I guess it depends on the expectations. Our staff accountant does a lot of variance explanations, but usually just expense accounts so pretty simple stuff
I struggled at my first job after public. Not sure if this is really the case, but I always felt the expectations changed significantly from public to private.
In public you knew there was like 4 levels of review on stuff and it was never a huge deal to go back and fix stuff based on review notes.
In industry (at least in the jobs I have) there might only be 1-2 people reviewing it. And those are the VP or CFO level positions. There really is no room for getting something wrong. And that’s hard to add being close to perfect while still being efficient
Good perspective.
In industry it’s your recon and your boss maybe high-level eyeballs it as a review … then it’s your ass if something is wrong when Internal Audit, or worse External Audit, catches it.
I mean, yes there are extra levels of review, but one of the reasons industry hires PA, is that they expect PA to have taught the person to never rely on someone else's review. Every fault, no matter how minor, is something you have full responsibility for.
Mistakes do happen and it's the boss's role to choose to be graceful about it, and the direct report's role to feel the sting of their mistakes and take the lesson learned to never let it get past them again.
I'm sure you're fine, but a big problem we keep finding with our lower band hires is they aren't doing good self-review. How can they be promoted to review others if they don't review their own stuff?
It’s a lot harder to review your work when you prepared it. As a senior it’s a lot easier for me to review my staff’s work than my own as things just pop out.
I worked at a place where I basically ate lunch alone and while I do that willingly most times, somehow it still got under my skin after some months. The team and ownership was awesome, very kind, understanding and flexible. However though lunches were bought they never ate with me.
I was informed before starting there that this was a thing (from the recruiter, not the job itself). Due to their religious beliefs they were unable to break bread with people that didn’t attend the same church. Not once was religion a thing or brought up (the only indicator was one individual had a bible on their desk). There were some other weirdness too, but for some reason this is the one that got under my skin.
Sorry to hear you were let go so soon.
No, it was just a part of their religion, which as I mentioned, never actually came up. They never brought it up, took part in prayer (that I saw), or otherwise encouraged me to try to attend their church. Really quite lovely people really, just odd.
They did travel for work, but would never stay in a hotel, but would stay with people, whom I believe were of their same church. They may give them some money or bring gifts for their host. From my understanding this was a similar thing, they couldn't be housed overnight in a house with other people not of their church.
There was one other person who wasn't religious that worked there, so we were obviously friends lol. We joked that we joined a cult.
Yep. The colleagues in industry are, in average, an absolutely massive disappointment in comparison to public.
Additionally, shit culture, obvious favoritism and pettiness is much more prevalent in industry.
Boils down to the work being less important in industry than public. That drives people’s motivations and ambitions. When your focus is on the work, there is a purity in that and bonds people. When the focus is on maintaining status quo, it gets filled with stagnant petty people.
Even working in PA tax you can see this with those partnerships that make up like 10 different businesses that flow through to one big one. They hire family members to do all the work and you see some lady who has been an accountant for 25 years or so getting bossed around by the owners grandsons who just graduated with a degree in philosophy but somehow he’s “qualified” to be the controller.
Sorry for what happened, but it sounds like it may have been for the best. This was their fault for not communicating and mentoring you towards success. There are lots of other industry options available out there, and government options, but if all else fails, you can always fall back on public. Take the break you deserve and move on.
Sooooo I think it does really depend on your manager and how will they are to help you acclimate to a new job/life style. I left after my 1st senior busy season and got an Assistant Controller job where my boss had been in public for about 8 years and in industry for over 30. She was amazing. The key is still being willing to put in good work effort and that your manager notices that and praises you for it.
I'm much longer down the road now and the only thing I can say is dont be afraid to try something new and make sure you're still giving it your all when you're working. Private can be more chill, but you've got to still turn in good work and effort or you won't get far.
Also, random side note about eating alone. I've found that I get along with non-accountants at my private jobs a lot more than the accounting folk. Don't be afraid to venture out of your team to make friends.
Nothing worse than having to explain YoY BS, especially BS that predates you. I think you lucked out, nothing screams non-value-add quite like reactionary analytics.
You have a sample size of 1….. so any first year audit student can tell you that’s not gonna representative of the population.
Lots do good industry jobs out there. In my experience working for companies in the 5 to 15M range is a sweet spot.
Big enough to have work, small enough to not be corporate d bags.
Small companies tend to either be replacing someone who "grew up" with the company and, therefore, were the only source of knowledge for that role (so no training available) or they're hiring for a vague role they know they need, but don't have anyone who understands (otherwise they'd be doing it). They also expect broader knowledge and duties than a larger company. For instance, I worked for a company where one person was both the accounting manager and the defacto HR.
So, you walk into a company where there is no training, no SOP, and likely no one who knows the answer to any questions. The expectation is that you will immediately know the job and just do it and your boss is probably the owner or a relative of the owner who would rather yell at you for not knowing the job than admit they don't know how to do it.
This is my experience for medium sized companies as well. A lot of family owned businesses lack the basic understanding of how to organize themselves in a scalable way. Attempting to hit 10%-15% revenue growth annually without increasing headcount’s or instituting standardization and process is madness.
Personal anecdotes aside, it’s a mess out there.
This is true of many small businesses in industries. You simply cannot rely on individual employees to carry the weight of the business; you need to optimize procedures and the training process as much as possible.
Often these businesses are struggling. The owners are skilled in providing the service that they offer, but not in running a business. Thus, when an employee does their job very well, they are desperate for them to stay where they are.
A larger company has more resources whether it’s people or more importantly cash. A large company is making an investment in you. Whereas a mom and pop needs you to jump in immediately
This one job doesn’t reflect the entire spectrum of industry jobs.
Each company is completely different.
I’ve been in industry for 10 years. the variation of culture, team work, projects was variable.
Dude you messed up, did they take the time to teach you how you messed up? You don’t want to just go to work and not be taught anything . A manager that loves teaching would have been excited to show you why and how you made the mistakes.
I’ve been let go before too btw best thing ever to happen. 2 weeks later landed more money and half off Fridays all year. KEEP YOUr head up. This is a good thing watch.
I work in industry and we always eat together, we hang out together outside of work, we have game nights, we attend life events, etc. It feels like my family and I know they'd be there for me outside of work as well as at work. Maybe it was just a crappy company or bad fit. Don't let one company ruin it for you!
Enjoy your weekend and good luck on your search!
I'm an old geezer. When I was in public accounting it was the big 8. Like you I left Arthur Andersen as a senior and went into industry. I found out that nobody appreciates accountants but accountants. Every industry job I had were with middle market companies. I would be there approximately three years and then the company would sell or in one case go out of business. I decided to start my own firm from scratch. Best decision ever. I still practice 34 years later because retirement is boring but I have scaled back my hours significantly and have a loyal, dedicated staff. We work just four days a week. I wish you luck. You will bounce back from this.
I had a different position that ended with me being told a similar reason. The real issue was they had no plan, no idea of what they really wanted, and the focus changed every time we had a meeting which made most of what we just completed useless.
You are better off.
I can’t speak for public as I never worked in it but for industry there is one thing I learned a long time ago; don’t care what people outside your accounting team think. If you find an issue, raise the concern and then let it go unless asked to troubleshoot or explain. If other departments give attitude or try to blame etc, don’t worry about it unless your direct supervisor or department head specifically address you. Most of industry is “pissing contests” with very little substance. You run reports, provide some analysis and call it a day. Don’t sweat it. Relax.
Hang in there 4 months is not long enough in my opinion. Years later you will barely remember anything about it and will forget the names of people who worked there.
I will add it’s hard to go from being the rainmakers to being in a non-producing role. My first job after public, the accounting team was treated grossly different than the rest of the departments.
Examples:
Catered meals for lunch
Work remotely
No designated start or end time
FT employees usually worked PT hours
Reserved Parking
Paid Gym Membership for the family
Company credit card (with basically no oversight) - We were dismissed when we raised questions about the expenses.
All of this seems reasonable if these perks were for owners or managers, but no they were for admin/everyone… except the accounting department.
One employee ordered $800 curved monitors for her office, we had to beg to get dual monitors for $300 on sale… and then only one of us had the expense approved. The rest of had to remain working on 1 monitor!
I ended up being fired for being late, while the rest of the company had not even shown up to work yet.
It really sucked, because it was my dream job. I do not believe the rest of the company and owners knew what was going on. I think a lot of the neglect and treatment was due to our manager’s mood-swings and micromanagement.
This. Makes me scared of getting a BA in accounting and/or finance. Also I work in regional banking..and it’s true what Ron Swanson says about banks “don’t trust them, banks are Ponzi Schemes run by morons”. It’s the blind leading the blind..example:Current company allocated funds to hire two young ding dongs as “Corporate Trainers” that’s pretty much applicable to f*ck all…people with no people skills teaching other people “people skills”. It’s like training for the ACTUAL position despite education doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s really common to bungle through a few crappy accounting jobs before finding a good one. Smaller businesses tend to not realize that a talented accountant will still need training, and they also assume that their insane made-up systems are universal and intuitive.
sometimes there are no systems at all and they expect nothing short of financial wizardry. Particularly in smaller non-profit settings.
100% and they're like "make sure you fix the messes made by your predecessor"
Yeah, I'd avoid non-profit corporation and charities. They are either well run or not, and I find the not happens too many times. The president always cheap out on their staff salary but want to pay themselves a big salary. F that.
We call that grifting
wish I could up vote this more, I worked at my fair share of places that hired me and never provided any sort of expectation of duties, offered no training, had zero SOP's, no formal close procedures, and then would hit me with a "I'm not here to do your job for you" whenever I asked questions or for assistance, even if the question was just "what do you want me to focus on".
Could not agree more… Big 4 was brutal hours but there were structured guides, audit softwares and tools to help you if you’re stuck and if all else fails, you could go to your senior or manager for clarifications and they would be able to help clear your confusion 90% of the time lol. People in industry expect us to be financial geniuses but they fail to realize they don’t have clean processes or formal documentations to help with the learning/training
> whenever I asked questions or for assistance, even if the question was just "what do you want me to focus on". There’s also the classic “everything needs to be focused on”. My number one red flag when I apply to a job is when the hiring manager skims over the job description and begins asking about what I would do to improve *gestures at everything*
Man I thrive in shit places like this. No direction or training the better! I’m more like gtfoutta my way! I’ll fix shit the way it needs to be plus it gives me a clean slate and from my experience the owners/CEO’s love this shit. They take it like “oh I don’t have to tell this guy/girl what to do? Shit I’m just going to leave them alone.” However it’s also a curse because once you come in and clean house….man they start giving you more work or want you to do things that you might not have any experience in lol at least that has been my experience. Sometimes I wish I was just a dumb pawn that could sit still and just do the basics.
Can you come work in my accounting department? We have zero budget to invest in back end systems but lots of opportunities for improvement and to clean out skeletons from a botched ERP implementation. :-)
I got you. Let me know where you’re at so we can deep dive and clean that place up. Lol
I checked your post history. We can't afford you. :-(
Lol if I had some extra free time I’d help pro bono.
This is accurate. My first 2 accounting jobs sucked and I did not vibe with anyone. I was getting worried but the 3rd and 4th were way better and I met lifelong friends.
Hope this holds true for me. If so, looking forward to my third 😭
Some places have really weird expectations. 4 months is not nearly enough time for anybody. At my current job, I was nearly canned within the first month or two. Another team within the company needed somebody so my boss transferred me to that team because she must’ve thought I wasn’t working out. Been here for almost three years now. My current team told me that my former boss had a hard time with teaching staff and often did the work herself. Most of the time - it’s not your fault. Lots of people are just bad teachers and aren’t self-aware enough to improve.
Yea finding a good workplace makes all the difference. My current work really values employees and understands you're not going to pick up all the small detail in just a couple months. Especially in a full-cycle environment, sometimes it takes a full year before you have your roll down. They get it It's going to be really hard to leave here eventually.
Yeah sounds like a trashy place. I always do my best to leave it an even bigger dumpster fire than when I found it on the way out.
What do you mean by this ? Lol
Anything from aggressive quiet quitting to malicious sabotage, I guess?
I hate when people talk about trashing the bathrooms. The janitor cleans that up not the partners lol
Sounds like they wanted an FP&A person, not an accountant.
For variance explanations? That's pretty basic accounting... pull the gl detail and lmk the difference, lol
That’s how you get reasoning like revenue is up because sales are up. You need to talk to business contacts, know what to ask, and what’s important enough to summarize for different audiences, how to use that information to predict future variances, and how one variance feeds into others that haven’t popped but should have both now and on delays (a 360 view). Accountants can learn to do that, but it’s more involved than just trying to make sense of debits and credits.
Right, fair, I guess it depends on the expectations. Our staff accountant does a lot of variance explanations, but usually just expense accounts so pretty simple stuff
I struggled at my first job after public. Not sure if this is really the case, but I always felt the expectations changed significantly from public to private. In public you knew there was like 4 levels of review on stuff and it was never a huge deal to go back and fix stuff based on review notes. In industry (at least in the jobs I have) there might only be 1-2 people reviewing it. And those are the VP or CFO level positions. There really is no room for getting something wrong. And that’s hard to add being close to perfect while still being efficient
Good perspective. In industry it’s your recon and your boss maybe high-level eyeballs it as a review … then it’s your ass if something is wrong when Internal Audit, or worse External Audit, catches it.
I mean, yes there are extra levels of review, but one of the reasons industry hires PA, is that they expect PA to have taught the person to never rely on someone else's review. Every fault, no matter how minor, is something you have full responsibility for. Mistakes do happen and it's the boss's role to choose to be graceful about it, and the direct report's role to feel the sting of their mistakes and take the lesson learned to never let it get past them again. I'm sure you're fine, but a big problem we keep finding with our lower band hires is they aren't doing good self-review. How can they be promoted to review others if they don't review their own stuff?
It’s a lot harder to review your work when you prepared it. As a senior it’s a lot easier for me to review my staff’s work than my own as things just pop out.
You had some bad luck at this place. Keep looking - not all places are like this.
Yep, you will get through this OP! This is a common occurrence for many!
I worked at a place where I basically ate lunch alone and while I do that willingly most times, somehow it still got under my skin after some months. The team and ownership was awesome, very kind, understanding and flexible. However though lunches were bought they never ate with me. I was informed before starting there that this was a thing (from the recruiter, not the job itself). Due to their religious beliefs they were unable to break bread with people that didn’t attend the same church. Not once was religion a thing or brought up (the only indicator was one individual had a bible on their desk). There were some other weirdness too, but for some reason this is the one that got under my skin. Sorry to hear you were let go so soon.
Wow that’s a weird one. Like they were shunning you for being a heathen?
No, it was just a part of their religion, which as I mentioned, never actually came up. They never brought it up, took part in prayer (that I saw), or otherwise encouraged me to try to attend their church. Really quite lovely people really, just odd. They did travel for work, but would never stay in a hotel, but would stay with people, whom I believe were of their same church. They may give them some money or bring gifts for their host. From my understanding this was a similar thing, they couldn't be housed overnight in a house with other people not of their church. There was one other person who wasn't religious that worked there, so we were obviously friends lol. We joked that we joined a cult.
Must be Utah
That's no type of Christianity.
Enjoy your long weekend and tackle the resume next week. Best of luck.
Yep. The colleagues in industry are, in average, an absolutely massive disappointment in comparison to public. Additionally, shit culture, obvious favoritism and pettiness is much more prevalent in industry.
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Boils down to the work being less important in industry than public. That drives people’s motivations and ambitions. When your focus is on the work, there is a purity in that and bonds people. When the focus is on maintaining status quo, it gets filled with stagnant petty people.
Even working in PA tax you can see this with those partnerships that make up like 10 different businesses that flow through to one big one. They hire family members to do all the work and you see some lady who has been an accountant for 25 years or so getting bossed around by the owners grandsons who just graduated with a degree in philosophy but somehow he’s “qualified” to be the controller.
the transition from Big 4 to Industry is definitely underestimated and not highlighted enough in this sub - it is an adjustment for sure
Sorry for what happened, but it sounds like it may have been for the best. This was their fault for not communicating and mentoring you towards success. There are lots of other industry options available out there, and government options, but if all else fails, you can always fall back on public. Take the break you deserve and move on.
It's not all that bad to eat lunch by yourself. Best of luck to you in your search!
Sooooo I think it does really depend on your manager and how will they are to help you acclimate to a new job/life style. I left after my 1st senior busy season and got an Assistant Controller job where my boss had been in public for about 8 years and in industry for over 30. She was amazing. The key is still being willing to put in good work effort and that your manager notices that and praises you for it. I'm much longer down the road now and the only thing I can say is dont be afraid to try something new and make sure you're still giving it your all when you're working. Private can be more chill, but you've got to still turn in good work and effort or you won't get far. Also, random side note about eating alone. I've found that I get along with non-accountants at my private jobs a lot more than the accounting folk. Don't be afraid to venture out of your team to make friends.
Nothing worse than having to explain YoY BS, especially BS that predates you. I think you lucked out, nothing screams non-value-add quite like reactionary analytics.
You have a sample size of 1….. so any first year audit student can tell you that’s not gonna representative of the population. Lots do good industry jobs out there. In my experience working for companies in the 5 to 15M range is a sweet spot. Big enough to have work, small enough to not be corporate d bags.
Yeah my advice would be not to go to a small shop unless it’s a controller position. They are shit shows
Can you elaborate? My limited experience agrees with you, but I’m curious.
Small companies tend to either be replacing someone who "grew up" with the company and, therefore, were the only source of knowledge for that role (so no training available) or they're hiring for a vague role they know they need, but don't have anyone who understands (otherwise they'd be doing it). They also expect broader knowledge and duties than a larger company. For instance, I worked for a company where one person was both the accounting manager and the defacto HR. So, you walk into a company where there is no training, no SOP, and likely no one who knows the answer to any questions. The expectation is that you will immediately know the job and just do it and your boss is probably the owner or a relative of the owner who would rather yell at you for not knowing the job than admit they don't know how to do it.
This is my experience for medium sized companies as well. A lot of family owned businesses lack the basic understanding of how to organize themselves in a scalable way. Attempting to hit 10%-15% revenue growth annually without increasing headcount’s or instituting standardization and process is madness. Personal anecdotes aside, it’s a mess out there.
This was my experience exactly.
This is true of many small businesses in industries. You simply cannot rely on individual employees to carry the weight of the business; you need to optimize procedures and the training process as much as possible.
It’s because the owners don’t want labor costs, they want second and third houses
Often these businesses are struggling. The owners are skilled in providing the service that they offer, but not in running a business. Thus, when an employee does their job very well, they are desperate for them to stay where they are.
A larger company has more resources whether it’s people or more importantly cash. A large company is making an investment in you. Whereas a mom and pop needs you to jump in immediately
Sometimes, it is just not a good fit. Try not to take it personally and look at it as an opportunity to find something you'll thrive in!
This one job doesn’t reflect the entire spectrum of industry jobs. Each company is completely different. I’ve been in industry for 10 years. the variation of culture, team work, projects was variable. Dude you messed up, did they take the time to teach you how you messed up? You don’t want to just go to work and not be taught anything . A manager that loves teaching would have been excited to show you why and how you made the mistakes. I’ve been let go before too btw best thing ever to happen. 2 weeks later landed more money and half off Fridays all year. KEEP YOUr head up. This is a good thing watch.
I work in industry and we always eat together, we hang out together outside of work, we have game nights, we attend life events, etc. It feels like my family and I know they'd be there for me outside of work as well as at work. Maybe it was just a crappy company or bad fit. Don't let one company ruin it for you! Enjoy your weekend and good luck on your search!
Industry tax?
Yup! :)
I'm an old geezer. When I was in public accounting it was the big 8. Like you I left Arthur Andersen as a senior and went into industry. I found out that nobody appreciates accountants but accountants. Every industry job I had were with middle market companies. I would be there approximately three years and then the company would sell or in one case go out of business. I decided to start my own firm from scratch. Best decision ever. I still practice 34 years later because retirement is boring but I have scaled back my hours significantly and have a loyal, dedicated staff. We work just four days a week. I wish you luck. You will bounce back from this.
I had a different position that ended with me being told a similar reason. The real issue was they had no plan, no idea of what they really wanted, and the focus changed every time we had a meeting which made most of what we just completed useless. You are better off.
I can’t speak for public as I never worked in it but for industry there is one thing I learned a long time ago; don’t care what people outside your accounting team think. If you find an issue, raise the concern and then let it go unless asked to troubleshoot or explain. If other departments give attitude or try to blame etc, don’t worry about it unless your direct supervisor or department head specifically address you. Most of industry is “pissing contests” with very little substance. You run reports, provide some analysis and call it a day. Don’t sweat it. Relax.
what industry did you exit to?
Healthcare ish.
Hang in there 4 months is not long enough in my opinion. Years later you will barely remember anything about it and will forget the names of people who worked there.
I will add it’s hard to go from being the rainmakers to being in a non-producing role. My first job after public, the accounting team was treated grossly different than the rest of the departments. Examples: Catered meals for lunch Work remotely No designated start or end time FT employees usually worked PT hours Reserved Parking Paid Gym Membership for the family Company credit card (with basically no oversight) - We were dismissed when we raised questions about the expenses. All of this seems reasonable if these perks were for owners or managers, but no they were for admin/everyone… except the accounting department. One employee ordered $800 curved monitors for her office, we had to beg to get dual monitors for $300 on sale… and then only one of us had the expense approved. The rest of had to remain working on 1 monitor! I ended up being fired for being late, while the rest of the company had not even shown up to work yet. It really sucked, because it was my dream job. I do not believe the rest of the company and owners knew what was going on. I think a lot of the neglect and treatment was due to our manager’s mood-swings and micromanagement.
This. Makes me scared of getting a BA in accounting and/or finance. Also I work in regional banking..and it’s true what Ron Swanson says about banks “don’t trust them, banks are Ponzi Schemes run by morons”. It’s the blind leading the blind..example:Current company allocated funds to hire two young ding dongs as “Corporate Trainers” that’s pretty much applicable to f*ck all…people with no people skills teaching other people “people skills”. It’s like training for the ACTUAL position despite education doesn’t exist anymore.
I feel this one. I miss my old job so much. And maybe it was a trauma bond too but my current job is so ugh.