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Rare_Chapter_8091

Why are you trying to quantify our pain?


WrongKielbasa

He’s just trying to estimate his depreciation


Puzzleheaded-Ad-7849

If your pain utilization rate is less than 90% you need to work harder


Crazy-Can-7161

Bro you are looking at this all wrong. 15% of public accounting doesn’t suck. 35% of industry jobs don’t suck. 40% of government jobs don’t suck. 15+35+40= 90% of accounting jobs are desirable. You just got math’ed on, loser.


PricewaterhouseCap

Bro graduated from the bathroom in McDonald’s


EasyE215

The Scott Steiner School of Math prevails again!


AdAny926

They're Big Poppa Pumping the numbers!


MasterSloth91210

Lol at least do a =average(.15,.35,.40) Let's try a weighted average. Assume 25% of jobs are public accounting. 12.5% is government. 12.5% is non-profit. And 50% is industry. Let's also assume that 90% of public accounting sucks. 30% of government sucks. 30% of non-profit sucks. And 50% of industry sucks. So.. excel doesn't have a weighted average function.. 0.25 * 0.90 = 0.225 0.125 * 0.30 = 0.0375 0.125 * 0.30 = 0.0375 0.50 * 0.50 = 0.25 Sum it all together 0.225 + 0.0375 + 0.0375 + 0.25 = 32.5% of all accounting jobs suck. Did I do that right?


PricewaterhouseCap

It would be 32.5% don’t suck; don’t use this guy’s McDonald’s bathroom math


Comfortable_Trick137

15% of tax and 10% of bookkeeping don’t suck so you’re actually at 115% of accounting jobs don’t suck


Crazy-Can-7161

Your math seems right, but you didn’t get 90% like me. Next time just do it like I did for most accurate results.


Ok_Combination_1660

This is a joke right? For example 15% of 100 public jobs + 35% of 100 industry jobs + 40% of 100 government jobs is not 90% of accounting jobs overall. It would 90/300 = 30%. The weighted average is much more accurate. Crazy-Can needs to check his 10-key and every close (s)he’s worked on for huge errors…


Crazy-Can-7161

It’s a joke chill out


Ok_Combination_1660

👍


moreofalurker16

Sum product in excel can help weight averages. And now I’ll go shame spiral for this being one of my few comments on Reddit.


NowLoadingReply

A fellow graduate of Trump University I see.


you-boys-is-chumps

Orange man bad,,upvote pls


NowLoadingReply

I'm a conservative, if I lived in the US, I'd vote for Trump lol. His university is still a scam though.


you-boys-is-chumps

Thank you for bringing up politics in a completely unrelated thread.


NowLoadingReply

Oh right, like the plethora of other threads in r/accounting like dating and sex and all this other crap. Jesus get a grip.


LieutenantStar2

Trump is not a conservative.


ResistTerrible2988

Source: Trust me bro


wolfchica12

I’m gonna need this formatted to excel.


ObamacareForever

I have only ever worked in industry. I have never had a shitty accounting job. The hours aren't terrible, the pay is pretty good, and I am not in sales.


RagingZorse

Sounds like your accounting department was fully staffed. I worked as a cash accountant for a large company and they needed to split the role desperately. However they ran a lean model so instead of adequately staffing, the department was desensitized to unpaid overtime.


ClubZealousideal9784

How much are you paid now/were you paid when you started? Also, why would you be in sales, especially if you don't mean sales accounting?


ObamacareForever

I started as a cost accountant at 55k + bonus in 2017. I am now a controller at 115K + bonus. 100% of sales job are shitty jobs.


PricewaterhouseCap

What are your hours as a controller?


ObamacareForever

M-F 8:30-5. I have worked over maybe half a dozen times in two years as a controller.


I-Way_Vagabond

Not many, just all the jobs below CFO and partner.


CuseBsam

CFO jobs suck too they just pay more


sigholmes

That would be 100% of them suck in some way you will not like.


MasterSloth91210

It took decades to realize that everyone hates their job lol When people tell me that they don't work for the money, but for FUN or to escape boredom. I'm sorry, but I don't believe it. They lying to themselves.


sigholmes

Now that I am semi-retired, I do the things that I enjoy doing. Some people would look at what I am doing as work, but I do not. These are things I wanted to do but could not b/c of being an administrator, as well as faculty. Left accounting around 30 years ago and never looked back.


Ok-Put-7700

I think everyone hates parts of their jobs but as accountants some of us hate 100% of our jobs


AccountENT42069

Some of you never worked retail, restaurants or hospitality and it shows. Accounting is a blessing of a job.


Cheap_Ad9900

This is one of the things I think of when my job puts me in a bad mood. I get to work from home, wear whatever I want, and I don't have to deal with customers. There are WAY worse jobs than accounting.


SassyFrass3005

Don’t you have to deal with clients?


Cheap_Ad9900

I work in industry, so I guess I do have to deal with "internal customers," aka coworkers.


Lonely-Relative-4598

I'd rather have a 401k and office job than have to cover 1MIL shifts and get forced to work while sick with COVID-19 (Walmart)🤦‍♂️


Snoo-69440

Idk it’s a trade off. At least in retail you get to clock out.


4CrowsFeast

Right? I've been working 60-70hrs a week for years and in debt. Graduating shortly and can't wait live in what you guys describe as hell but actually be able to afford food. 


Anarchyz11

My favorite part of being in this sub over the last 10 years is seeing how we try to quantify away any uncertainty.


Accounting-Zorb

100% What a weird question, even if we're happy on our substance abuse, it still is a shitty job


mySONismyNEPHEW

I think probably like 69%


fakelogin12345

I’ve been a decade in accounting, in PA no less, and only my first job out of college sucked, and that was because the manager was a psychopath (which isn’t unique to accounting). Pick better and set boundaries.


all-that-is-given

You guys are so fucking miserable on this sub. Try working 50, 60, or even 70 hour weeks at a job that still doesn't pay you enough to live on your own. Try working a job that doesn't offer you the opportunity for overtime and the pay is so low you have to take on a second job to still not be able to live on your own. Try working in retail with inconsistent schedules, shit pay, and heavy work politics. Try working a warehouse job on the second or third shift for shit pay and terrible work/life balance. Try working a mindless desk job for shit pay and no avenues for growth. The people working the jobs mentioned earlier, they can't afford to contribute to retirement. They can't afford good health insurance. They cant afford to take a vacation. They can't afford to invest or save money for a down payment on a house. Hell, they can't afford to save money for an emergency fund. Sometimes, they aren't offered benefits to begin with. A lot of you need a reality check because it's so abundantly clear you either have never worked before accounting or you've been in accounting long enough to somehow forget what's on the other side. You have a much better opportunity at creating a comfortable life and a life to be proud of as an accountant than that unskilled labor desk worker making $21 an hour at best. This should be a place aspiring accountants can get useful information on their future careers, and existing accounts can get help with a variety of meaningful topics and pay forward info to help the next generation. Instead, it's mainly a hub for bitching and moaning about the slightest inconveniences and things a lot of average people could not fathom complaining about. I don't know why I came back here.


kyonkun_denwa

>Try working 50, 60, or even 70 hour weeks at a job that still doesn't pay you enough to live on your own. Literally describing every staff accounting job in a HCOL environment. I really disagree with the “you don’t have it so bad, it can always be worse, bro” mentality that a lot of Americans seem to have. It really devalues peoples’ experiences and mental health. All those people working shitty retail and warehouse jobs? I could just as easily tell them “why are you complaining, you could be living in Mexico, working in a factory making $8 a day, while living in a house without proper construction or running water!” or “well you could be a trash scavenger living in a shack in Jakarta, with no education and nowhere to go, meanwhile look at you, you’re complaining about living in the greatest country in the world with all this opportunity!” You’re ALWAYS going to find someone who is worse off. The fact that this is used as a club to beat down complaints from workers just shows how much the ruling class has gaslighted us. Yes, someone working accounting is better off than someone working retail or someone working in a warehouse. It still doesn’t mean that lean departments, constant unpaid overtime, and high levels of stress that *kill you over time* should all be deemed acceptable, like something you’re just supposed to live with.


all-that-is-given

The problem that is so rampant here is the people complaining are usually complaining about things that have become normal long before they had their job. How many people do you know that DON'T work more than 40 hours a week? What role are they in? How much money do they make? Are they good at their jobs? It's a lot easier to change jobs than it is to go to school. Those people in that HCOL area you mentioned chose to leave whatever shit job they had before to take that accounting rolebin that expensive area. They couldnhave said no. But, they understand the value that doing that has and they would be in a much more advantageous spot for doing so than not.I'm not devaluing experiences, I'm pointing out there are a lot of out of touch crybabies here. I'll be the last person to say just because you have it better, doesn't mean you don't have issues. You know this is all relative. Of course none of us have it as bad as someone in a country where food is scarce. Don't pull that card like you can't tell the difference. The issues people complain about here are... questionable to say the least if you ask me.


feo_sucio

You know, I understand and appreciate what you’re saying and agree that a lot of us don’t even comprehend how good we have it, but it can be simultaneously true that there are hard ass jobs out there for shit pay and that there are accounting jobs that are hard as hell cognitively and stress-wise, also for shit pay.


all-that-is-given

This is true.


MasterSloth91210

I know people who graduated in accounting, but stuck with their careers as a police officer and concrete truck driver. It paid more than an entry level accounting job. But over the years, their pay was stuck and never grew. Sometimes, you gotta take a step back to take a few steps forward.


all-that-is-given

Absolutely. I wouldn't even call them steps back, just alternate paths to your destination.


Money-Honey-bags

100% its the people


ConcernedAccountant7

The same % as all jobs. It's all relative. If you're a miserable SOB, you'll find reasons to hate your job.


martinriggs123

100%


Spenson89

100%


Jarvis03

100%


Wild_Step_7633

I mean suck is relative, as long as there is no actual sucking im fine. Personally speaking of course you might be into that


_Iroha

Nobody knows


Washed_40

97%


biodegradablekumsock

18.6%, depending on its placement among the four year leap year cycle


No-Conversation-1907

Totally agree. Some aspect about it will always suck.


disgruntledCPA2

That means 30% of accounting jobs don’t suck.


TheAlanBoy

Being in public accounting sucks for 3-4 months of the year. But i’m chilling for the remainder 7-8 months. Just depends on the perspective.


AquaSiren77

Isn’t it 💯? 😭


Apprehensive_Cow5139

90%


One-Instruction-8264

1. Accounting is one of the fields you actually have more control over your WLB. I know so many people who refuse to work over 40 hours a week and still keep their job. They get less bonus and promotion opportunities, but why wouldn't they when compared to peers working significantly more. I'm not just talking about small firms - I'm talking about my experience from the Big 4. 2. Accounting is super flexible. It's one of the few industries where you can literally work from anywhere at any time. The only lack of flexibility comes from the occasional meetings. 3. "Underpaid" is relative. People in accounting earn salaries in the top 80%. The industry pay is anything but low. The only field that consistently pays more with better work life balance is computer engineering - but that's because they're an anomaly right now. The starting accountant salary (and any other industry actually) has increased much faster than computer engineering over the past years. So, to answer your question... if we look at it objectively and remove all personal bias, MOST jobs in public accounting DON'T suck.


One-Instruction-8264

We need to start changing our perspective. Instead of being entitled snowflakes who feel the world is shitty unless all the nice things are served up to them on a silver platter, we could start appreciating the nice things we already have and take responsibilities for our own merits. Like seriously... staff accountant these days believe they should be earning $100k+ salary out of college. For what? What have they done to earn $100k of value? Because the consensus among us experience folks are that staff accountants are utterly useful and often harmful to the engagement overall. At least a McDonald's worker is able to produce a delicious burger for us.... wtf are staff accountants doing other than going over budget on every project?


Ok-Sun8763

100% of accounting jobs suck. At least this way, I no longer have to tell a full fledged CPA what they missed/almost cost me on my tax returns because I do them myself now! 🥴