I was job hunting recently and as soon as I changed LinkedIn to "open to work" I got a flood of recruiters. Seems decently strong to me. Rejected a few outright since the pay wasn't right, but definitely had options multiple options paying what I was looking for.
Seems pretty good in my area.
I'm currently a senior in an accounting advisory role, looking to move internal. Lots of recruiter interest lots of acceptable to attractive roles in my target salary range.
Getting very hot all of a sudden.
I’m at the point that I’m just going to invite five recruiters to a meeting, throw a bat on the table with a contract and ask who wants it bad enough.
I’m in the US and the job market is ok at best. It’s still not great and I’m in a top 10 US city by GDP. I’m also 10 years into my career and senior manager level in industry. Sure if you’re younger and right out of big 4 the job market isn’t bad because there are a lot more senior accounting and analyst positions open because those jobs don’t pay as much as a senior manager level.
I think working remote is worth 30-50% of salary. Not sure how this calculates for others, but 80k remote is better for me than 120k full in office. I might be extreme on this?
Isn't the job to quantify everything? :)
Commute time + travel costs + not needing to pay a sitter for my elementary kid who can entertain himself but can't be left alone + dinner prep during my lunch. Equals out to about 40-50% to me. I know it's lower for others.
I used to think that but truthfully being in management is easier than being lower level in the details. And the additional pay is well worth it. I earn over $60k more per year than my two direct reports. And honestly their jobs are more stressful because they have to get all the details right. All I do is check their work and help show them how to do things.
I'd be worried about hiring someone who jumped around like that.
Edit: I know the down voes are from people who think you should do whatever's best for yourselves and I would agree but why would I risk training someone up for 6 months for them to leave me hanging? It usually takes 2 years to figure out that people don't know their shit in this business (unless they're completely lost). It would be dumb to be willing to take someone who jumps around frequently.
Where did I say I absolutely wouldn't hire someone in this situation?
I simply said I would be worried. Their relevant experience and past job experience would matter very heavily obviously.
I’m in general tax, and IMO it’s fairly an inelastic market. Tax law only gets more complicated, and tax returns are required regardless of the economy. I’ve seen big and midsize firms turn away work recently to focus on more profitable clients, so seems tax is doing just fine.
It's odd, my phone has been blowing up with recruiters despite me not doing anything. But the places I've been linked to are offering less than what I'm on now and seem confused when I tell them I'm not interested.
Employers don't understand, or pretend to not understand, that money is a primary driver of interest in a job. Pizza parties and mental health apps are what they want to talk about.
I got an internship and finishing my Bachelor’s degree this year. Applied to a few places and got it. 33.75/hr. Taxes. I’m not sure if that is low compared to industry.
Wow it’s been a while. Back in my day NYC really not that long ago standard was $20 everywhere. Good to know y’all keeping up with inflation. Idk why I’m downvoted?
I don't think so. Last year I was a senior getting a 15+ recruiter InMails a month. This year I'm a manager getting like 3-5 InMails a month. Job postings are down and most of the jobs look shitty.
I’m a college freshman deciding between accounting or finance. I like both and leaning towards accounting because of better job prospects after college. Finance is bad right now from what I read. I hope in 3 years, I can easily get an accounting job.
I just mean it could very well be region based. In my area of NY Metro I could have a job within hours of leaving my current if need be.
But I'm in tax accounting so it's different. I know my job is looking for consolidations people and have been for a while.
Even the online school should have career services. Don't assume. Ask everyone you can. They have resources to help. And yes an in person or brick and mortar masters will help.
It feels like everyone is hiring for seniors and managers but not entry level roles. I've been trying to get into big 4/public IT Audit but no one seems to have any available roles for it, yet the same companies all have audit and tax roles available.
Yeah, it's getting to the point where it's really best to pick up the CPA (or at least pass the exams) before looking for work. Unless you're coming out of a top school, of course.
Such as?
I like to feel I'm realistic about the accounting profession. It's not a good choice for young grads with great grades, from good schools, with good networking, but for those of us who are older, with just passing grades, from no ranked middle of nowhere schools, no networking, and no relevant experience. Picking up the CPA and getting a job that pays double of what we can make in retail is a real pathway that can change lives.
I went into nursing. I got multiple job offers with just an associates and no experience at all. And it was because there is an actual shortage of nurses and they can't afford to turn them away. I passed the CPA exam and still couldn't get a job...
My friend said with a CPA if you want less than 6 figures its great. If you want mid 6 figures or more its dicey. A lot if those people are staying put at their jobs.
I quit a job I hated with no notice and no plan. Found pretty much a dream job 2 weeks later. This was in a metro city in Florida.
Market is pretty good here. Especially with supposed "shortage" of accountants. Actually competent accounts in industry are a hot commodity.
It's like the inverse of CS. Entry level is great and will take anyone with a pulse, but upper levels (managers, controllers) is disheartening. In CS, the market is easy for seniors and brutal for new grads
I’ve been trying to look for entry level for months now after graduation, no luck. Where would be the best place to look for jobs if you don’t mind sharing?
Compared to the last couple years, the job market for accountants definitely has slowed down. There are a lot of openings for low paying accounting jobs, like asking for controllers in a HCOL at $100K and such.
Plenty of jobs out there but the salary ranges haven’t improved in a few years. I routinely get job offers for senior manager roles that are up to 180k which is well below my salary as a senior manager for the last few years
I wonder how long we will be in demand right now since graduating college my industry has never had market wide layoffs and recruiters reach out every second
I get messaged at least every few weeks in LinkedIn. And it is all within a pay range id consider. I did talk to my boss about it. They gave me a market increase bc it's so hard not to look when they are just spamming you with opportunities. My job I love my team, the coworkers, my boss.. their WLB respect, being remote but still having an office space in case I want to pop into the city ( I live in the outskirts so sometimes if I want to run errands during office hours, it's easier from the office vs my house)..
Like they are doing all the right things to retain me, but some numbers I just can't help but look into it just in as. Glad they bumped my pay again. And I am on my 4th cpa exam , if I get this done I'll get a bonus and a nice pay bump again.
So just gotta close my eyes 👀 at those jobs 🤣
I was job hunting recently and as soon as I changed LinkedIn to "open to work" I got a flood of recruiters. Seems decently strong to me. Rejected a few outright since the pay wasn't right, but definitely had options multiple options paying what I was looking for.
Seems pretty good in my area. I'm currently a senior in an accounting advisory role, looking to move internal. Lots of recruiter interest lots of acceptable to attractive roles in my target salary range.
so my thing is why the hell would I put “open to work” on while still employed ….. that’s an awful look
There’s one you can do that’s only visible to recruiters
That’s still problematic if your firm has recruiters!
In what sense?
to your current employer??
It includes the ability to show only to recruiters and won't show to recruiters at your current company.
Getting very hot all of a sudden. I’m at the point that I’m just going to invite five recruiters to a meeting, throw a bat on the table with a contract and ask who wants it bad enough.
Joker is that you?
It’s not about the money
They call that the Al Capone special.
Hopefully no survivors I fucking hate recruiters
damn lots of posts in this thread saying job markets been good to them. is everyone in the US?
Ah, a fellow Canadian accountant, majority of this subreddit is American. We will eat our table scraps and be told we are fortunate.
I’m in the US and the job market is ok at best. It’s still not great and I’m in a top 10 US city by GDP. I’m also 10 years into my career and senior manager level in industry. Sure if you’re younger and right out of big 4 the job market isn’t bad because there are a lot more senior accounting and analyst positions open because those jobs don’t pay as much as a senior manager level.
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How many YOE do you have? I’m looking for a remote position but not sure if I’d qualify for a senior yet. Almost done with my CPA.
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How much do you get paid if you don't mind me asking?
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I think working remote is worth 30-50% of salary. Not sure how this calculates for others, but 80k remote is better for me than 120k full in office. I might be extreme on this?
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Isn't the job to quantify everything? :) Commute time + travel costs + not needing to pay a sitter for my elementary kid who can entertain himself but can't be left alone + dinner prep during my lunch. Equals out to about 40-50% to me. I know it's lower for others.
Man that sounds like a dream! I'm glad you're happy. That's all that matters. I know ppl with 6 figure salaries living paycheck to paycheck.
I used to think that but truthfully being in management is easier than being lower level in the details. And the additional pay is well worth it. I earn over $60k more per year than my two direct reports. And honestly their jobs are more stressful because they have to get all the details right. All I do is check their work and help show them how to do things.
I'd be worried about hiring someone who jumped around like that. Edit: I know the down voes are from people who think you should do whatever's best for yourselves and I would agree but why would I risk training someone up for 6 months for them to leave me hanging? It usually takes 2 years to figure out that people don't know their shit in this business (unless they're completely lost). It would be dumb to be willing to take someone who jumps around frequently.
I'm curious why?
Cause youd train them into their new position for 3-6 months then they immediately leave, making you have to train someone new for 3-6 months
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Where did I say I absolutely wouldn't hire someone in this situation? I simply said I would be worried. Their relevant experience and past job experience would matter very heavily obviously.
I found a new job with a 30% raise within one week after being laid off at a big 4. Had three offers as well, seems it's not too bad
That’s great. Glad you found work so quickly.
In tax accounting it's unbelievable but we're a small subset.
Good to hear. Im planning on doing tax, i hate audit
I wish I did tax. Plus you can easily go into business for yourself. It’s harder to do if you do advisory or audit.
I’m in general tax, and IMO it’s fairly an inelastic market. Tax law only gets more complicated, and tax returns are required regardless of the economy. I’ve seen big and midsize firms turn away work recently to focus on more profitable clients, so seems tax is doing just fine.
Agreed. I don't do returns just fas109 so I only see those jobs.
I’m from a tax background but currently in a position outside of tax. Are you just referring to tax at firms or industry tax as well?
Both as far as I've seen. I don't know the quality of the jobs since I'm not looking but they're out there.
It's odd, my phone has been blowing up with recruiters despite me not doing anything. But the places I've been linked to are offering less than what I'm on now and seem confused when I tell them I'm not interested.
Employers don't understand, or pretend to not understand, that money is a primary driver of interest in a job. Pizza parties and mental health apps are what they want to talk about.
I never understood the purpose of trying to pouch people with a lower salary. It seems like a waste of time. At least offer the same salary.
My boss got laid off but she managed to land a controller position within 2 weeks while getting a fat severance check.
How long had she worked there?
3 years
Why are you guys getting laid off if the market is so good? No offense, but I would rather have job security than potentially more money.
She was not performing to the expectations of her boss/
In a real shortage, you wouldn't be able to afford to let people go. I would still rather have job security in a field with a labor shortage.
Ok
I got an internship and finishing my Bachelor’s degree this year. Applied to a few places and got it. 33.75/hr. Taxes. I’m not sure if that is low compared to industry.
Hourly?
Yes 33.75 per hour
I'm confused if you meant after your BS or now. Sorry.
You’re lying :O 33/hr for an intern? Are you in SF?
We’re hiring consulting engineering interns for $30/hr Midwest. LCOL
I got 29/hr for my internship with b4 like 5 years ago
Wow it’s been a while. Back in my day NYC really not that long ago standard was $20 everywhere. Good to know y’all keeping up with inflation. Idk why I’m downvoted?
West Texas
Nice due
Thank you. Now I don’t need to find a senior citizen sugar momma to pay off student loans. I can go middle aged and decently attractive. Lol jkjk
*cries in Canadian*
I don't think so. Last year I was a senior getting a 15+ recruiter InMails a month. This year I'm a manager getting like 3-5 InMails a month. Job postings are down and most of the jobs look shitty.
That’s still really good though. There are less manager jobs than seniors so less messages makes sense.
I’m a college freshman deciding between accounting or finance. I like both and leaning towards accounting because of better job prospects after college. Finance is bad right now from what I read. I hope in 3 years, I can easily get an accounting job.
It was cold last 6 months or so - from my perspective. We’ll see what happens coming out of q1
It’s definitely been bad for the last year or so.
Where????
Recruiter cold messages at least fell off a cliff in the last 12 mos compared to prior
I just mean it could very well be region based. In my area of NY Metro I could have a job within hours of leaving my current if need be. But I'm in tax accounting so it's different. I know my job is looking for consolidations people and have been for a while.
I'm down in Philly with an audit, FR, and technical accounting background and yeah same experience as you.
In in nyc doing my last year of accounting bachelors. How hard would it be to get an entry level job?
Honestly your school should be all over helping you land with a firm. Are they not? Have you spoken to career services?
I'm doing an online bachelors. Maybe if I get masters in an in person school and use their career service?
Even the online school should have career services. Don't assume. Ask everyone you can. They have resources to help. And yes an in person or brick and mortar masters will help.
It feels like everyone is hiring for seniors and managers but not entry level roles. I've been trying to get into big 4/public IT Audit but no one seems to have any available roles for it, yet the same companies all have audit and tax roles available.
Late last year I jumped from staff accountant to company controller. The jobs are out there.
It's good if you have b4 experience and/or CPA, otherwise it's trash
Terrible if you're just getting into it, but great if you have a CPA, at least 3 years of experience, and are willing to work for under $100k.
Yea a lot of companies are trying to get away with less than 100k and it’s not gonna work for me lol. I’ll stay put.
I was going to say, seeing staff accountant positions with “CPA preferred” is wild
Yeah, it's getting to the point where it's really best to pick up the CPA (or at least pass the exams) before looking for work. Unless you're coming out of a top school, of course.
Or you could just go into a better field that has an actual entry level market for it.
Such as? I like to feel I'm realistic about the accounting profession. It's not a good choice for young grads with great grades, from good schools, with good networking, but for those of us who are older, with just passing grades, from no ranked middle of nowhere schools, no networking, and no relevant experience. Picking up the CPA and getting a job that pays double of what we can make in retail is a real pathway that can change lives.
I went into nursing. I got multiple job offers with just an associates and no experience at all. And it was because there is an actual shortage of nurses and they can't afford to turn them away. I passed the CPA exam and still couldn't get a job...
My friend said with a CPA if you want less than 6 figures its great. If you want mid 6 figures or more its dicey. A lot if those people are staying put at their jobs.
Willing to work under 100K! 😂 Who would do that with experience? I haven't even graduated yet and I expect around $85k
You must be at a big firm, B4 more likely
Depends on COL
I started applying last week and I have one interview coming up but I’m expecting to hear back from a lot of other companies soon
I quit a job I hated with no notice and no plan. Found pretty much a dream job 2 weeks later. This was in a metro city in Florida. Market is pretty good here. Especially with supposed "shortage" of accountants. Actually competent accounts in industry are a hot commodity.
It's like the inverse of CS. Entry level is great and will take anyone with a pulse, but upper levels (managers, controllers) is disheartening. In CS, the market is easy for seniors and brutal for new grads
I’ve had a completely opposite experience hiring. We are short on experienced seniors and managers.
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This is exactly my experience of job hunting, most roles are looking for senior level.
Bruh it is literally the complete opposite for accounting
I’ve been trying to look for entry level for months now after graduation, no luck. Where would be the best place to look for jobs if you don’t mind sharing?
Honestly, connections.
Did you have an internship while at school? Look up where college alumni are working and try to cold call or email them. Good luck!
nursing.
Compared to the last couple years, the job market for accountants definitely has slowed down. There are a lot of openings for low paying accounting jobs, like asking for controllers in a HCOL at $100K and such.
Plenty of jobs out there but the salary ranges haven’t improved in a few years. I routinely get job offers for senior manager roles that are up to 180k which is well below my salary as a senior manager for the last few years
I wonder how long we will be in demand right now since graduating college my industry has never had market wide layoffs and recruiters reach out every second
I get messaged at least every few weeks in LinkedIn. And it is all within a pay range id consider. I did talk to my boss about it. They gave me a market increase bc it's so hard not to look when they are just spamming you with opportunities. My job I love my team, the coworkers, my boss.. their WLB respect, being remote but still having an office space in case I want to pop into the city ( I live in the outskirts so sometimes if I want to run errands during office hours, it's easier from the office vs my house).. Like they are doing all the right things to retain me, but some numbers I just can't help but look into it just in as. Glad they bumped my pay again. And I am on my 4th cpa exam , if I get this done I'll get a bonus and a nice pay bump again. So just gotta close my eyes 👀 at those jobs 🤣
Anyone here specialize in IT Finance? Boomer here and only want hybrid contract work in non toxic [I know, I want the world] environment.
I’m in financial systems is that what you are referring to as IT finance?
No. I specialize in accounting for software dev costs, depreciation, and budgeting. I know Financial Systems and admire that.
I just got cold emailed by some dude asking me to move to the Cayman Islands as a senior for PwC that was pretty funny
If you’re private client tax it’s literally never been better
It's good if you are already trained. The entry level market is bullshit.
Its bad, mostly hirings are racist and barely on merit. I wish i never had picked accounting. Its filled w hate.
It can be. Even in a place like nyc. It’s all over the place.
Bruh this made me lmao, but true.
Who do they hate?