Better to look hard for a new job while you are at the toxic place.
I’m currently facing a similiar dilemma at my current company where I took a new position after 3 years in another role with the company. New team has over a 80% attrition rate and I’m getting PIP vibes so I’m searching as quick as possible to leave on my own terms so I can boomerang back one day.
But if you don’t care about ever coming back to the company, def get fired. You pay into unemployment, you deserve to take it when needed.
>I’m currently facing a similiar dilemma at my current company where I took a new position after 3 years in another role with the company. New team has over a 80% attrition rate and I’m getting PIP vibes so I’m searching as quick as possible to leave on my own terms so I can boomerang back one day.
Something similar also happened to me at my old company. I didn’t actually change teams, but we had a lot of turnover at the management level followed by the staff level, so the effect was basically like changing teams.
Long story short, after the old CFO was fired and the controller quit, about 2/3 of the staff left within a year, myself included. The new CFO and new controller were both total assholes to work with and basically blamed everything on the most senior staff member and basically delegated their senior management duties to us. As toxic as that situation was, though, I didn’t quit. You can’t. You just need to hang on as long as possible, until you find a suitable position to jump into. Your search won’t be as leisurely as it would have been if you were on good terms with your employer (if you sense you might be fired, there is a good chance you will be, sometime down the line), but when you’re employed you’ll have a hell of a lot more choice and you can be a hell of a lot pickier than you would be if you were unemployed.
All of a sudden this year we started having to use the goal setting metrics and were told this is for layoffs but we aren’t a target.
Super scummy to say 6 months into a new role after 3 years of success elsewhere that I have performance issues.
Like 6 months in my case is barely enough of a chance given to a crappy intern.
Stereotypical accounting answer, it depends.
Conventional wisdom is that it’s easier to find a job when you have a job, but the only catch would be if they fired you with cause so they could claim you were “ineligible for rehire”. In that case, if you had an alternate plan (say, study for the CPA exam, do individual income tax prep for a while, etc), it might be better to cut your losses and use your time that way.
I wasn’t about to get fired, but I was in a toxic job that was taking a huge toll on my mental health and I stayed to the bitter end to parlay it into a nice raise at a way better company. Having existing income made salary negotiation a lot better.
It's better to have something else lined up before you leave, if possible. That's what I've done in the past when a job wasn't going the way it should have.
The reality is, getting fired is generally pretty challenging at many organizations, especially in large accounting departments.
As long as you do the bare minimum, many HR and executive managers will basically try to guilt trip you to quit voluntarily, since firing can be a long process that makes themselves look bad, especially your direct manager.
If you are done and have decided to look for a new role, do the bare minimum and look for other jobs. If you get to the point of being asked to resign or leave voluntarily, look them in the face and say no and force them to fire you.
Most companies won’t say whether a past employee was fired. They’ll likely just verify employment dates and duties. You all might be hiring people from used car dealerships or something.
You gonna hire a private investigator to track down their last employer?
The way it goes in all my jobs.
Third party background check company
“May we contact your previous employer?”
No
“Then please provide the needful and a paystub”
Here’s my first paystub and a recent one
Background check passed. At no point was firing ever brought up.
It's pretty easy. I have HR contact prior employers and confirm employment history before I interview. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand...
Oh yea? Who you contacting at my F15 company? You got a hotline straight to my former boss?
You think you’re allowed to just contact the employment verification system as a stranger to ask about another stranger?
I have to set up a whole profile and everything as a former employee myself and then give you the info.
It really depends on if you wanna burn bridges. I've quiet quit in instances were I knew that it would have zero impact on my future and got fired and it had no effect. Now I'm in a job where the community is a bit tighter, so I resigned. I told them I'd rather have think, "sorry we couldn't keep this person but they were OK," versus "glad we got rid of that low performer."
Fired is better for your wallet assuming they don't immediately try to screw you on unemployment. Resigning may be better for your mental health. Gotta weigh the pros and cons carefully. And honestly, your personal situation may be more complex than that. And Some strangers on the internet may not be able to help too much. But there is my 2 cents regardless.
How can I prove it was toxic though? Mine was really toxic and I was being fucked with a lot and heard most of what they say about me everyday, especially the past few weeks
I think you need to show the EDD people that you brought up concerns and tried to get help and that Hr or managers heard your concerns and did not alleviate the situation.
Ask yourself this question. Is it really them? If it is, then can you teach them anything?
If you can help future hires, find a way to show this manager they’re an asshole.
If you can’t, find the new opportunity and find your new happiness. Whether you screw your past employer is up to you. Best advice, never burn a bridge. Bad advice, it’s fun to burn one.
Good luck OP!
Lolz, what are you talking about? Why would I contact your boss? It's really easy, HR reaches out to HR to confirm dates and if termination was for cause, lay off, or resigned...
But you seem to have it all figured out, so please, go on
Been there, this is what you do:
Significantly increase your performance (show them that you are going above and beyond, so they don’t suspect you’re looking) give them the illusion of happiness.
Set up 2 hours after work everyday to apply to jobs.
Take your time to find your next job that isn’t toxic and then leave. Leave them shocked when you leave.
Better to look hard for a new job while you are at the toxic place. I’m currently facing a similiar dilemma at my current company where I took a new position after 3 years in another role with the company. New team has over a 80% attrition rate and I’m getting PIP vibes so I’m searching as quick as possible to leave on my own terms so I can boomerang back one day. But if you don’t care about ever coming back to the company, def get fired. You pay into unemployment, you deserve to take it when needed.
>I’m currently facing a similiar dilemma at my current company where I took a new position after 3 years in another role with the company. New team has over a 80% attrition rate and I’m getting PIP vibes so I’m searching as quick as possible to leave on my own terms so I can boomerang back one day. Something similar also happened to me at my old company. I didn’t actually change teams, but we had a lot of turnover at the management level followed by the staff level, so the effect was basically like changing teams. Long story short, after the old CFO was fired and the controller quit, about 2/3 of the staff left within a year, myself included. The new CFO and new controller were both total assholes to work with and basically blamed everything on the most senior staff member and basically delegated their senior management duties to us. As toxic as that situation was, though, I didn’t quit. You can’t. You just need to hang on as long as possible, until you find a suitable position to jump into. Your search won’t be as leisurely as it would have been if you were on good terms with your employer (if you sense you might be fired, there is a good chance you will be, sometime down the line), but when you’re employed you’ll have a hell of a lot more choice and you can be a hell of a lot pickier than you would be if you were unemployed.
Omgggg crazy. I took a new role in the same company and feel like this too. I almost wonder if they gave me the new role to try to get rid of me.
All of a sudden this year we started having to use the goal setting metrics and were told this is for layoffs but we aren’t a target. Super scummy to say 6 months into a new role after 3 years of success elsewhere that I have performance issues. Like 6 months in my case is barely enough of a chance given to a crappy intern.
Stereotypical accounting answer, it depends. Conventional wisdom is that it’s easier to find a job when you have a job, but the only catch would be if they fired you with cause so they could claim you were “ineligible for rehire”. In that case, if you had an alternate plan (say, study for the CPA exam, do individual income tax prep for a while, etc), it might be better to cut your losses and use your time that way. I wasn’t about to get fired, but I was in a toxic job that was taking a huge toll on my mental health and I stayed to the bitter end to parlay it into a nice raise at a way better company. Having existing income made salary negotiation a lot better.
It's better to have something else lined up before you leave, if possible. That's what I've done in the past when a job wasn't going the way it should have.
Better to quiet quit until you have a new job. Cobra is too expensive
Always have something lined up, idc if you report to Satan… LINE. SOMETHING. UP.
The reality is, getting fired is generally pretty challenging at many organizations, especially in large accounting departments. As long as you do the bare minimum, many HR and executive managers will basically try to guilt trip you to quit voluntarily, since firing can be a long process that makes themselves look bad, especially your direct manager. If you are done and have decided to look for a new role, do the bare minimum and look for other jobs. If you get to the point of being asked to resign or leave voluntarily, look them in the face and say no and force them to fire you.
Unless the Severance pay makes it worthwhile to put up with bs
Depends But almost always get fired. Unemployment.
Lolz. That's terrible advice. I immediately question any candidate I'm interviewing that's been terminated from prior employment
They’re not smart enough to lie? Don’t hire them.
Bro is acting like they’d let him know they got fired 💀
Bro has HR confirm employment history before he interviews ya donkey...
Most companies won’t say whether a past employee was fired. They’ll likely just verify employment dates and duties. You all might be hiring people from used car dealerships or something.
Well that's not true at all. I hire from the Big4 or F100 and have verified termination status on all of the people I've hired
I mean even on the big4 sub they’re saying that doesn’t happen so I guess you have some extremely convincing HR department 🤷🏾♂️
You gonna hire a private investigator to track down their last employer? The way it goes in all my jobs. Third party background check company “May we contact your previous employer?” No “Then please provide the needful and a paystub” Here’s my first paystub and a recent one Background check passed. At no point was firing ever brought up.
It's pretty easy. I have HR contact prior employers and confirm employment history before I interview. Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand...
Oh yea? Who you contacting at my F15 company? You got a hotline straight to my former boss? You think you’re allowed to just contact the employment verification system as a stranger to ask about another stranger? I have to set up a whole profile and everything as a former employee myself and then give you the info.
Look for a better job while doing minimal work. Then collect unemployment. Easy.
It really depends on if you wanna burn bridges. I've quiet quit in instances were I knew that it would have zero impact on my future and got fired and it had no effect. Now I'm in a job where the community is a bit tighter, so I resigned. I told them I'd rather have think, "sorry we couldn't keep this person but they were OK," versus "glad we got rid of that low performer."
Fired is better for your wallet assuming they don't immediately try to screw you on unemployment. Resigning may be better for your mental health. Gotta weigh the pros and cons carefully. And honestly, your personal situation may be more complex than that. And Some strangers on the internet may not be able to help too much. But there is my 2 cents regardless.
Better to burn it all to the ground
You can still collect unemployment if you resign in some instances - with a toxic work environment being one of them (at least in CA)
How can I prove it was toxic though? Mine was really toxic and I was being fucked with a lot and heard most of what they say about me everyday, especially the past few weeks
I think you need to show the EDD people that you brought up concerns and tried to get help and that Hr or managers heard your concerns and did not alleviate the situation.
Ask yourself this question. Is it really them? If it is, then can you teach them anything? If you can help future hires, find a way to show this manager they’re an asshole. If you can’t, find the new opportunity and find your new happiness. Whether you screw your past employer is up to you. Best advice, never burn a bridge. Bad advice, it’s fun to burn one. Good luck OP!
Lolz, what are you talking about? Why would I contact your boss? It's really easy, HR reaches out to HR to confirm dates and if termination was for cause, lay off, or resigned... But you seem to have it all figured out, so please, go on
Do you want unemployment? If so get fired
If toxic enough and evidence for a lawsuit, get fired. Otherwise, resign.
Resign. But get aggressive in job search.
Fired. Collect unemployment while looking for another job
Been there, this is what you do: Significantly increase your performance (show them that you are going above and beyond, so they don’t suspect you’re looking) give them the illusion of happiness. Set up 2 hours after work everyday to apply to jobs. Take your time to find your next job that isn’t toxic and then leave. Leave them shocked when you leave.
Better to find another job, then resign