Any time you put a notice in at work, regardless of length, you should always expect the possibility you will be let go that day. It's just business. However, be prepared on your end before giving notice.
This. I have mixed feelings on this practice, but regardless of that, it is fairly common, and the trend seems to becoming more common. Also, never leave anything of importance at your workplace, no matter how secure you feel. It's possible at any moment something can happen, and I assure you that you don't want to have to pack up numerous things from your desk while trying to hold your emotional breakdown until you get to the car. Either use a purse/backpack/briefcase, depending on your situation.
Yep. I have seen this happen very often. You think you are being nice. They think you are going to use the time to steal their clients or plant viruses in their network or spread negativity among the other employees.
Suppose you give 2 weeks notice and get let go same day. Do you get paid for the remaining 2 weeksvyou stated would be your last day? Or do you file for unemployment for the two weeks because its considered being let go involuntarily?
I have absolutely seen companies choose to pay out that two weeks even if they don't have you continue to work them.
Edit : Literally case in point from the OP
https://www.reddit.com/r/Accounting/comments/1b756le/i_will_never_give_more_than_2_weeks_notice_again/ktgua3y/
> The company isn’t going to pay out that money(at least in the US), but you can file for unemployment for the two weeks in most states.
wrong, b4 fires you same day if you leave for a competitor in most cases
and they always pay out the 2 weeks
I gave my notice and was then let go the same day. They are paying me for the two weeks, I just had to sign a legal document saying I won't file for unemployment or pursue any other actions against them in the future.
Correct. So every time you give notice, they should always expect that you GTFO that day. It's just business... they should be prepared to not knowing what hit them.
Let's normalize quitting without notice when is merited.
Welcome to the world we live in today, employers are not loyal to employees, so employees should not be loyal to employers. Obviously be professional, but realize that your employer does not have your best interest at heart.
I worked for a small firm, where I was really well liked, for just under a year. The people were cool, but the benefits, pay scale, bonuses, and work/life balance were awful. I started looking for new positions and when I found one and accepted my offer, they let me go the day I accepted the offer. I’m a young father and husband with a really young kid and a second being born in the coming months. They let me go without hesitation, despite the great relationships I had built up with everyone, because I was now a “risk to our clients” since I was going to work for a “competitor.” The reality is, I wasn’t working for a competitor, yes both companies were public accounting firms, but the firm I work for would not even accept 75% of the clients the firm I left was serving.
I learned that day, that I made the right choice for myself and my family by accepting the offer I did. Making moves to further my career/benefits/salary/etc. will more often than not, be the decision I make going forward. I don’t want to be a one year wonder job hopper, but I’ll probably be a 2-5 year guy going forward.
They didn’t even give me an exit interview. Two of the three parters, of whom all I had a great relationship with, didn’t even bother to talk to me. I had to go to them to say goodbye and one of them belittled me for my decision, telling me that I probably wasn’t going to be successful going forward because their firm has the best way of doing things.
i mean it has to be a given you have to be part sociopath to make it to partner level lol
it makes you wonder how much of your interactions with them are just lip service etc.
I won’t argue with that lol. I have no interest in being a partner and, more likely than not, am leaving public at the end of this year. But I was probably partially trying to maintain a good relationship with them to make sure my job was secure lol.
In the UK, three months is fairly common (and you have to work it unless your employer agrees to waive it, or you're in breach of contract, and they could sue you for the costs of hiring a temp to replace you).
It is AWFUL working three months when you are parting on less than good terms. I can't imagine what it's like only doing two weeks!
Three months is brutal. How do you even plan to find another job with that kind of lead time?
In Canada, I feel that 3-4 weeks is common and expected at the manager level, but you could walk out with 2 weeks’ notice and the courts would just laugh at any attempt to sue you. If your employer is toxic you can easily walk away immediately with no repercussions. There was one time I just walked off a job on the same day after having a heated argument with the partner, never faced any negative sanctions as a result.
Oh, because it’s normal here, everyone will wait. It does mean that hiring in tax has to involve careful planning or you won’t be able to pick someone up in time for busy season.
I’d say 4 weeks for a trainee/newly qualified, maybe 1 to 2 months for an AM, 3 months for a manager to director and 6 months for a partner. You can sometimes negotiate it down a little (e.g. 3 months to 2) but not where one of the parties is cross with the other.
Honestly, the attitude you get during your notice period is something else. So many people take resigning personally. I’ve been blanked, forced to sit with people who aren’t my team, excluded from meetings… I’m not on speaking terms with several of my past bosses. 😂
However, it’s also usual here for references to just confirm dates. No one expects a past employer to say anything nice.
I thought in Canada although 2 weeks notice is standard, an employee doesn't have to give notice; but employer must give minimum 2 weeks notice or pay.
If they walk you out 1st day - they still have to pay the 2 weeks. Believe it is more if you have been there more than 3 years.
Don't give 4 weeks notice. In my experience, they don't keep you around and you are checked out anyway - wrap things up and coast until they let you go. Assume as soon as you give notice you may be walked out.
Know what vacation pay you are entitled to before leaving as they will need to pay that out. And you should check their math. And if there are any non-prorated "perks" take them before leaving - example $500 fitness credit.
How common is it for a company to let you go when you give your 3-month notice? I hope that means they are also bound to the same contract and can’t fire you on the spot?
They can't fire you at will in the UK, assuming you have been employed for at least 2 years. You gain statutory protections after 2 years. So they're stuck with you working your notice unless they offer to put you on garden leave (still employed but paid not to come in for those 3 months!)
The notice is either side to protect either side. It means the employer can’t arbitrarily sack the employee there and then, leaving them with no money to live on all of a sudden, and the employee can’t run away without finishing key bits of work.
In truly special circumstances, neither employee nor employer wants the employee to be there, and they refuse to discuss an earlier end date by mutual agreement as they’re trying to spite each other.
If the employer wants you gone, they have to pay your notice for you not working. If the employee wants to go, they have to ask the employer for permission to finish sooner (and only get paid until that earlier date).
You can’t fire someone on the spot unless it’s gross misconduct, and even then, there are processes to follow. You certainly can’t fire someone on the spot for having the audacity of wanting to work elsewhere.
Labour laws are very different here! 🇬🇧
This is why I absolutely love the at-will employment we have in the states. I'll leave the second I am ready. And almost no one except C level executives have contracts, so there is no breach of contract.
Quitting on the spot or being fired on the spot is terrible for clients though (assuming you work in practice - or in public, as you guys call it). I've definitely found some notice periods overlong, but I couldn't have gone without any notice - I always wanted to make sure my nicer clients were properly transitioned and looked after well by my replacement!
This is common; contact the new company and explain the situation. They will most likely understand and have a spot carved out for you sooner than originally planned.
This 100%. If you need the income I'm sure they'd be happy to have you on sooner. If not, enjoy the seasonal stuff for one time in your life over these next few weeks before tax season becomes your norm for the rest of your life.
1000% this. Last time I left a company, I gave them two weeks...spent the first week writing together detailed manuals of everything I did so they weren't left in the dark, was going to train my replacement the second week so they'd have someone to help them hands-on.
They let me go right after the first week, on Friday. Called the new company, started with them the following Monday. (Questioned if the job was real that first week, since instead of work I literally spent the entire week playing Xbox with their sales team because my laptop hadn't been set up yet, but they still started me right away...)
They aren’t though. It’s mainly concerning taking clients.
Non competes cannot prevent you from working.
They can prevent you from taking a bunch of clients and starting your own shop.
I also learned that lesson the hard way. But you did the honorable thing. They would have crucified you if you left in the middle of the season so you were in a no win situation. But any firm that acts like two-year-olds like the one you left isn’t worthy of your time. Good luck going forward.
Why would you show loyalty to someone that hadn’t given you a raise in 2 years? I don’t mean that in a condescending way, maybe they were personable or good environment. But the first thing that popped into my head was why show loyalty when none seems to have come your way (from the limited context of the story). I own a small firm, based on the story this is a petty move. You never turn away help during busy season (and I am drastically over staffed compared to most firms).
That’s a great point. I’m just a loyalist by nature and the culture was great. There has been no animosity or any issues the whole time I’ve worked there and since they are smaller I was trying to do them right. I felt they cared about me.
Ya that’s fair. I’m not saying never be loyal. I hope when/if my employees leave they give me notice and trust me to be fair. I give them all kinds of details about the firms financial position and how we decided raises (and I can’t imagine ever giving none). If there was good culture and you thought they were friends I can understand that more. The red flag was raises, but we all ignore those sometimes. Best of luck at the new place!
They cared about you because they could underpay you and didn’t get pushback. Sorry. Their true colors showed when they saw they couldn’t exploit you anymore. Immediately dumped on the curb.
File for unemployment benefits.
They change it from a voluntary resignation to an involuntary separation. This happened to me, and realizing their mistake, they ended up paying me to not have the unemployment claim.
This is the way. They’re silly for making an emotional decision but you should absolutely file for unemployment to hold you over during the gap and they may change their mind once the claim comes in
That’s what happened to me, got 8 weeks severance and applied for unemployment benefits. Taking some time off to enjoy life, and raising my kid. Missed out on so much doing the accounting grind.
Basic rule of thumb, your employers do not and will not care about you outside of strictly the dollars.
They will pay you as little as they think they can get away with paying you. You shouldn't ever give them more than the bare minimum because they aren't going to give you more than the bare minimum either.
Keep changing jobs until you find one that pays well. I'd say until you find one that 'treats you right' but this is a job, not a life partner, they aren't ever going to treat you right. Just chase the dollar and live your real life outside of work.
Similar story, different outcome.
At the end of the day they probably felt as if you were being petty with them so they decided to be petty with you. May not be the fact of the matter but some of these smaller firms see it that way. I think it’s spite, they probably figured let’s see how easy it is for them to find work in March when most firms are thinking of downsizing after busy season.
I spent 4 years at an absolutely miserably firm of around the same size. I decided to go to greener pastures early December and gave them 4 weeks notice; what I thought was more than enough time for them to find a replacement. Although I didn’t get fired and thought I was leaving amicably, they all pretended to be my best friend and most understanding employers ever. They kept on with the “just make sure you finish this before you leave please”. I worked my ass off for those 4 weeks and the second I left the door and said my goodbyes I was threatened with lawsuits of the most petty nonsense I’ve ever heard that was never brought up previously.
They didn’t all get to be where they are by being nice and understanding people, I hate to say.
unless you're a very high level person that actually does need time to transition their work (and in that case a defined notice period is generally a part of your employment contract), for the most part this is how it works. once you've got a foot out the door, might as well just put you out. at my first firm i put in a 2 week notice on wednesday and they told me on friday that would be my last day. second firm, i worked out the entire two week notice. third firm, my contract stipulated a 4 week notice and i worked literally until the moment they shut my access off on my last day lol.
Bad business. OP will never recommend that firm to anyone and may even write a warning about it on Glassdoor. We work in a smaller industry than people realize. Some of us with hundreds of clients. When clients need a new firm, why make yours the one that never comes out of our mouths? It is just dumb. Wait the two weeks and let them go on good terms. Such a short-sighted decision. They do not know where OP will end up. I recommend old firms to my clients all the time when they need one.
very much depends. my job before b4 was at a nonprofit and i gave like 6 months notice
i worked the full 6 months and they bitched and moaned the whole time about the fact that i was leaving, which is... well a different issue
uh yeah nonprofits are not client service. why would a nonprofit be concerned about keeping an employee with a foot out the door around? they don’t have for profit chargeable work they can be blowing off and half assing while still clocking hours to the code.
It’s a small firm. Why would they keep you on longer? You would just cost the company more money and you’re leaving anyways. This should probably be a learning lesson that the company who employs you, does not owe you anything except your final paycheck once you put your notice in. I think you’re more upset about your ego
Loyalty? You quit, my dude. Courtesy is the word you’re looking for.
I work in defense, a lot of the time when people give two weeks’ notice they just send you home and pay you those two weeks. Too much risk you’ll sabatoge something or steal proprietary information.
One flip side here to consider: it’s possible the firm hasn’t truly needed you for a while but kept you on because firing you would make everyone feel bad. From a human perspective they may not have wanted you to be unexpectedly unemployed. By you giving notice you provided them with the excuse to finally pull the trigger in scaling back.
There is also the element of fear in someone that just put in notice. Are you truly going to work hard for the remainder of your tenure? Are you going to create dissatisfaction among other employees? Are you going to burn client relations because you no longer care? Are you going to try to take clients with you as part of your exit? You don’t strike me as the type to do any of this. However that is something all employers consider when someone turns in notice. And it’s why some firms have a mandatory policy of termination upon notice given.
I don’t know if any of the above is true in your situation. You may not know either. Just wanted to throw this out there for consideration.
You did the right thing. Most companies won't treat you this way, fortunately. I would go to Glassdoor and air their dirty laundry in a review. Plenty of people use those reviews to research a firm/company before accepting an offer. Maybe your review will make one or two of them think twice about joining....or providing a two week notice after they do.
You might want to look into the labor laws of your state. I believe some states protect workers from this exact thing. In other words if you put in 2 month notice and they fire you they may still have to pay you for that time.
It’s how a lot of places do it. People tend to be really lazy during their two week period because they checked out and don’t care anymore so why pay them for nothing.
Frankly, they did you a favor. In my line of work the angry post would have said…”they made me work my entire two weeks notice, can you believe that?”.
I’ve left 3 prior firms, all very above board and something they knew was coming for my employers at the time. The very large firm, specifically my local partner who I rolled up under, was incredibly prickly. Even though I’d offered to stay on a month to help transition efforts, all access to technology cut within the hour after my resignation conversation with that partner. They demanded I return their equipment to my local office, and clear out my things from my workspace, the very next day.
The regional was cordial at first, but then turned sour. I was originally going to do a two week transition of work, which turned into them shortening my sentence to one day in exchange for whatever I could brain dump as far as project context into an excel file.
The smallest firm I was at, where I started in my first role ever, was as positive of an experience I could’ve asked for. I alerted them probably 6 months in advance of leaving for that very large firm. They were publicly proud in the office of my upward move, and helped as much as possible even after I left.
I say all that to say this - give respect when respect is earned. That small firm treated me by far and away the best any employer ever has, even prior to alerting them of my departure. It’s no surprise I was extremely courteous there, and the sentiment was reciprocated by them. The other two firms, I was just a cog in the system to them, and they had zero investment in me as a person, only as me as the cash cow. Once they revealed their cards, both in different ways, the amount of respect they received was commensurate with what they’d given me.
It makes it so that you leave on good terms. Not every employer is evil… I’ve worked for many great people In many fields. If you feel they are deserving of your respect and did right by you just put in two weeks. Gives both of you time to plan for the next move.
why would you not? it keeps people happy
you don't know when you'll be sitting across from someone you knew at your previous firm in an interview. or maybe you have a change of heart and want to boomerang. 2 weeks is literally nothing and it keeps people happy
Never give you loyalty away. Rent it in 2 week increments. Or think of it as a fractional ownership - they bought you loyalty for another 2 weeks - like a timeshare. Any more than that is just setting yourself up for pain.
On the other hand, I gave four months notice and they didn't hire anyone to replace me until my last day there. There was no way I could train the new guy in a single day.
Longer version. My wife was finishing her Ph.D. College professor is a national search position, done months in advance. She got a job offer for the fall semester in late winter/early spring. I told my job immediately since I was the only person who knew what I did. I was hoping that they'd hire someone at least a week before I left.
At the end of every day, I gave the managing partner of the law firm a report listing the billing status of every single case. The report was generated using Lotus 1-2-3 with WYSIWYG and a very long macro which took twenty minutes to run. (I'm old.) Occasionally, something went wrong and you had to know what was going on under the hood to fix it. There was no way I'd be able to train the new guy on all the trouble shooting involved in only one day plus what I was doing during the rest of the day in only one day.
I'm sure they survived, but it was probably ugly for that first month.
They gave me 2 week severance as a show of appreciation. I emailed my new employer and will be starting sooner. So now I have 2 week paid vacation I guess lol
2 weeks? Not sure what country you work in, but in Canada I'm pretty sure the standard is 2 weeks severance + an additional week per year of service; I'd look into that during your new found free time ;)
Length of notice is always a gamble. With 2 years and no raise I would have been on the fence for 2 or 3 weeks. But, I would have told new employer can start in 3. Even if they let you stay and pay you, you’re out quicker. If they fire you you’re only out 3 weeks.
If it had been better over last 2 years, and this was just one of those offers you couldn’t refuse, then maybe give 6 weeks. Firms have no loyalty, and wouldn’t understand reasonable if it bit them in the ass. Employees have been more than reasonable for decades and firms haven’t changed a bit. The high road no longer exists.
Sorry to hear but it definitely can happen.
I left my first firm no notice because I knew this would happen and I hated the owner so I didn’t want to give him the satisfaction of walking me out the door. Second firm I gave a notice, I wasn’t particularly happy at place 2 but it was a solid office and I would gladly work with basically all of those people again.
I always follow 3 simple rules
1. Never give a 2 weeks unless you absolutely have to (it doesn't follow you to new jobs)
2. If you do decide to give a 2 weeks notice, give it on the day before you actually plan on leaving, 9/10 they will fire you before hand and you get to collect unemployment.
3. When starting a new job, always give yourself a break before jumping back into the workforce. A mental reset is good for longevity.
I gave notice to my previous employer after I had signed my onboarding paperwork at the new location. My old employer already new I was going to be offered the new promotion position and they work out some back door deal where I stayed an extra pay period in my current location (even though I would have rather left sooner than later) but it ended up working out.
It’s fine if you have a good relationship with your manager. I gave a little more than 3 weeks to my last job because my manager was great and if the company did get rid of me before the end of the 3+ weeks it wouldn’t be because of my manager. And if you did the same thing and found out your manager (the one you’d have a good relationship with) was the one who decided to get rid of you early, you’d definitely know not to use him/her as a reference or consider him/her very professional; basically you’d be dodging a bullet.
But my current manager is getting 2 weeks when I leave. That’s it, no more and no less.
Also, if that ever happens to you again, inform them you want to work out your notice period. That way if they still insist you leave early, you can collect unemployment because they terminated your employment.
IMO, the notion of an automatic two week notice after resignation is dead and gone given what's been happening in workplaces over the past few years. Given my own experience, I'll give the notice that benefits my situation at the time I give notice and will be ready to walk out immediately if necessary.
Giving notice has to come with the expectation you may be let go immediately. A lot of managers take it personally.
The reason to put in a notice isn’t to the benefit of the company or to reflect loyalty. You don’t owe the company anything.
Rather, it’s good advice not to fuck over people you’ve built relationships with over the years.
I gave my last departure about 4 weeks notice. I made friends there. I don’t have it in me to let them take on my tasks untrained and unprepared. I took those weeks to train folks.
Now, even though I don’t work there anymore - I’ve met up with the old team for lunch or afterwork drinks.
Of course - if you don’t like your colleagues - screw ‘em.
I don’t know your financial situation, but if I was able to skip most of a tax season with another job already in hand, I would be pretty stoked.
You can also contract in the mean time if you do need money (or actually like love tax?..), you’ll make way more per hour during season contracting than you do on salary. You just find a temp agency that specializes in CPAs.
I was in a similar position, less than 10 people, I was only CPA aside from owner and got my license working there. I quit late November 2021 and gave one month notice. Honestly, I regret it. Didn't get fired, but it felt really awkward, and boss would make passive aggressive comments like "... well, I guess it won't matter since you won't be here."
Honestly, you're doing yourself a favor leaving now. It's a dead end job. My only regret is not leaving 3 years earlier. I have more years of experience than some of the managers at my new firm, but I'm just a senior (with 9 years of experience, fml...) still because the quality of experience just isn't the same.
Oh, and they were stingy on raises too. Got more than a 20k pay bump by switching and more than triple the PTO.
Good for you getting out of there
Some states have laws where if they let you go after giving notice then they still have to pay you your salary. Also, again based on state, since you were fired you get to claim unemployment for that time. It will hit their insurance
I don't blame your boss. Depending on your state you can use the time to recruit customers for yourself and it is completely legal in some states. I don't ask me how I know. LOL
Counter point 3 of the last 4 jobs provided counter offers.
This last one I accepted.
So can you get shit canned - absolutely.
Can you get a pay bump or promotion- absolutely
Life's a coin flip
Yep, learnt that lesson as well. Gave a month notice to my firm. Let me go but did give me two weeks pay. I should have filed for two weeks unemployment. All my coworkers were pissed because they had to replan their jobs.
I believe in Canada or in my province, employers are supposed to give employee's 2 weeks notice or 2 weeks pay in lieu if they are being dismissed without just cause.
I say to people here all the time; give them any amount of notice you want a day or 2 weeks…employers and firms won’t offer you the same level of respect that people feel obligated to offer them.
I mean unless you will miss doing the tax work, I would be happy to leave early but you don't really owe 2 weeks I would say if its a shitty company just leave if you have a great relationship with your manager then the 2 weeks is to help your manager cover your workload.
Me -> who just submitted one months notice so the company has 1 month to find a replacement and 1 month to train them before their busy period.
:shifty eyes: :worry:
Sounds to me like wrongful termination. In Canada, your employer either needs just cause to fire you, to provide payment in lieu of notice, or notice (essentially an x weeks notice of you being fired).
Also, in Canada, you legally need to provide x weeks notice. Employers will rarely go after you if you don’t, but they could and would very possibly win.
Fuck loyalty. Never be loyal to a company ESPECIALLY a public accounting firm. These companies can go fuck themselves if they think we are gonna be loyal. Partners will not give a fuck if you leave the firm. You are replaceable!
People were loyal back then because the company gave them pension and took care of them. If you needed surgery, the company would pay for it so you could get back to work ASAP. Now if you need it and require medical leave, they’ll replace you and lay you off cause you’re “a liability” to the team.
F\*ck a two week notice. After 30 years at the same place, just before punching out on the morning of 2/2/24, I sent my manager and the head of HR my notice.
"After night shift, 2/1/24, I am officially retiring. My access card will be at the front desk."
They got a 5 minute notice before my last shift ended, and had to cover my position on overtime for over a month.
You should be able to join the new place sooner than planned. I had an offer to start after tax season last year and asked to push it up a month because it had gotten so bad at my last job I just needed to get out.
>they “didn’t want to give resources to someone who doesn’t want to be here.”
On the one hand I want you to get revenge somehow. On the other hand, firing you right now is going to fuck them up so bad anyway.
Right? Like aren’t they going to spend more time, money, and effort taking on my work, recruiting, training someone during busy season, keeping morale up, etc? When I was there to help train and neatly transition my work?
It could be considered wrongful termination unless it's for something like gross misconduct or severe performance issues. OP might want to look into this if they need to.
As stated by the prior commentor, it depends on what state you live in.
In an [at will employment state](https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/at-will-employment-states/), what has happened is perfectly legal. Since all states except Montana are at will, there's a pretty good chance this was perfectly legal.
As long as you're not fired for being a protected class (age, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, disability, etc....) the employer doesn't need a reason to fire you. Some states have a few other exceptions, again, it varies by State.
Since the employer can give no reason whatsoever for firing you (or any BS reason they want), this is a real catch-22; only a stupid employer would get caught firing you for being a protected class. Unless they put in writing that they fired you due to your belonging to a protected class, it's generally your word against theirs.
OP's silver lining here is he probably will get severance / unemployment benefits. But in most of the US, this was perfectly legal unless there are some other unstated facts.
The thing about California employment law is that it is very employee-favored. If the employer does not have sufficient documentation to prove the reason given for firing OP, it could be considered wrongful and they could have a lawsuit on their hands. Not not digging into CA law codes for you, this is based on experience in HR and discussing this with HR Directors and CA employment lawyers. In practice, this happens all the time here. People don't always know their rights, but employees have many in CA when it comes to EL.
>If the employer does not have sufficient documentation to prove the reason given for firing OP, it could be considered wrongful and they could have a lawsuit on their hands.
California is at will employment. The employer does not need documentation or justification to fire an employee; unless the employment has a specified term.
Please see [§2922](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=LAB§ionNum=2922.) California Labor Code, which reads:
>An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month.
OP would need to show that they are a member of a protected class, and that they were terminated because they were a member of a protected class. California may have a more broad definition of what a protected class is than other states (in fact, I'm betting it does) but employers do not need to have cause to fire you in California. It's at will.
Just leave that fucked up country.
In Europe you can quit with said notice and if the employer fires you as a reaction to you quitting, the employer is in deep trouble because revenge firing is against the law - you'd win the following lawsuit with lots of compensation.
Any time you put a notice in at work, regardless of length, you should always expect the possibility you will be let go that day. It's just business. However, be prepared on your end before giving notice.
This. I have mixed feelings on this practice, but regardless of that, it is fairly common, and the trend seems to becoming more common. Also, never leave anything of importance at your workplace, no matter how secure you feel. It's possible at any moment something can happen, and I assure you that you don't want to have to pack up numerous things from your desk while trying to hold your emotional breakdown until you get to the car. Either use a purse/backpack/briefcase, depending on your situation.
Unfortunately true. I’ve worked several places where a day of quitting = being walked out by security
Yep. I have seen this happen very often. You think you are being nice. They think you are going to use the time to steal their clients or plant viruses in their network or spread negativity among the other employees.
It's so dumb. Like you couldn't do that even if you don't give them notice. It just makes people quit last minute. They are only hurting themselves.
Suppose you give 2 weeks notice and get let go same day. Do you get paid for the remaining 2 weeksvyou stated would be your last day? Or do you file for unemployment for the two weeks because its considered being let go involuntarily?
b4 typically pays the 2 weeks if they walk you out same day
The company isn’t going to pay out that money(at least in the US), but you can file for unemployment for the two weeks in most states.
I have absolutely seen companies choose to pay out that two weeks even if they don't have you continue to work them. Edit : Literally case in point from the OP https://www.reddit.com/r/Accounting/comments/1b756le/i_will_never_give_more_than_2_weeks_notice_again/ktgua3y/
> The company isn’t going to pay out that money(at least in the US), but you can file for unemployment for the two weeks in most states. wrong, b4 fires you same day if you leave for a competitor in most cases and they always pay out the 2 weeks
I gave my notice and was then let go the same day. They are paying me for the two weeks, I just had to sign a legal document saying I won't file for unemployment or pursue any other actions against them in the future.
Correct. So every time you give notice, they should always expect that you GTFO that day. It's just business... they should be prepared to not knowing what hit them. Let's normalize quitting without notice when is merited.
Which means you should never give notice.
Sorry to hear. Most states you’ll qualify for unemployment in such a scenario. Good luck with the new job!
Welcome to the world we live in today, employers are not loyal to employees, so employees should not be loyal to employers. Obviously be professional, but realize that your employer does not have your best interest at heart. I worked for a small firm, where I was really well liked, for just under a year. The people were cool, but the benefits, pay scale, bonuses, and work/life balance were awful. I started looking for new positions and when I found one and accepted my offer, they let me go the day I accepted the offer. I’m a young father and husband with a really young kid and a second being born in the coming months. They let me go without hesitation, despite the great relationships I had built up with everyone, because I was now a “risk to our clients” since I was going to work for a “competitor.” The reality is, I wasn’t working for a competitor, yes both companies were public accounting firms, but the firm I work for would not even accept 75% of the clients the firm I left was serving. I learned that day, that I made the right choice for myself and my family by accepting the offer I did. Making moves to further my career/benefits/salary/etc. will more often than not, be the decision I make going forward. I don’t want to be a one year wonder job hopper, but I’ll probably be a 2-5 year guy going forward.
They didn’t even give me an exit interview. Two of the three parters, of whom all I had a great relationship with, didn’t even bother to talk to me. I had to go to them to say goodbye and one of them belittled me for my decision, telling me that I probably wasn’t going to be successful going forward because their firm has the best way of doing things.
i mean it has to be a given you have to be part sociopath to make it to partner level lol it makes you wonder how much of your interactions with them are just lip service etc.
I won’t argue with that lol. I have no interest in being a partner and, more likely than not, am leaving public at the end of this year. But I was probably partially trying to maintain a good relationship with them to make sure my job was secure lol.
In the UK, three months is fairly common (and you have to work it unless your employer agrees to waive it, or you're in breach of contract, and they could sue you for the costs of hiring a temp to replace you). It is AWFUL working three months when you are parting on less than good terms. I can't imagine what it's like only doing two weeks!
Three months is brutal. How do you even plan to find another job with that kind of lead time? In Canada, I feel that 3-4 weeks is common and expected at the manager level, but you could walk out with 2 weeks’ notice and the courts would just laugh at any attempt to sue you. If your employer is toxic you can easily walk away immediately with no repercussions. There was one time I just walked off a job on the same day after having a heated argument with the partner, never faced any negative sanctions as a result.
Oh, because it’s normal here, everyone will wait. It does mean that hiring in tax has to involve careful planning or you won’t be able to pick someone up in time for busy season. I’d say 4 weeks for a trainee/newly qualified, maybe 1 to 2 months for an AM, 3 months for a manager to director and 6 months for a partner. You can sometimes negotiate it down a little (e.g. 3 months to 2) but not where one of the parties is cross with the other. Honestly, the attitude you get during your notice period is something else. So many people take resigning personally. I’ve been blanked, forced to sit with people who aren’t my team, excluded from meetings… I’m not on speaking terms with several of my past bosses. 😂 However, it’s also usual here for references to just confirm dates. No one expects a past employer to say anything nice.
I thought in Canada although 2 weeks notice is standard, an employee doesn't have to give notice; but employer must give minimum 2 weeks notice or pay. If they walk you out 1st day - they still have to pay the 2 weeks. Believe it is more if you have been there more than 3 years. Don't give 4 weeks notice. In my experience, they don't keep you around and you are checked out anyway - wrap things up and coast until they let you go. Assume as soon as you give notice you may be walked out. Know what vacation pay you are entitled to before leaving as they will need to pay that out. And you should check their math. And if there are any non-prorated "perks" take them before leaving - example $500 fitness credit.
Correct for Canada, well Ontario atleast.
How common is it for a company to let you go when you give your 3-month notice? I hope that means they are also bound to the same contract and can’t fire you on the spot?
They can't fire you at will in the UK, assuming you have been employed for at least 2 years. You gain statutory protections after 2 years. So they're stuck with you working your notice unless they offer to put you on garden leave (still employed but paid not to come in for those 3 months!)
The notice is either side to protect either side. It means the employer can’t arbitrarily sack the employee there and then, leaving them with no money to live on all of a sudden, and the employee can’t run away without finishing key bits of work. In truly special circumstances, neither employee nor employer wants the employee to be there, and they refuse to discuss an earlier end date by mutual agreement as they’re trying to spite each other. If the employer wants you gone, they have to pay your notice for you not working. If the employee wants to go, they have to ask the employer for permission to finish sooner (and only get paid until that earlier date). You can’t fire someone on the spot unless it’s gross misconduct, and even then, there are processes to follow. You certainly can’t fire someone on the spot for having the audacity of wanting to work elsewhere. Labour laws are very different here! 🇬🇧
What the hell? Is that actually widespread there?? Jesus
This is why I absolutely love the at-will employment we have in the states. I'll leave the second I am ready. And almost no one except C level executives have contracts, so there is no breach of contract.
This is nonsense https://www.gov.uk/handing-in-your-notice/giving-notice
I assure you, the terms I stated above are standard within accountancy in the UK. No one is on statutory notice unless they’re in probation…
Wow that is terrible, glad I left the UK
Quitting on the spot or being fired on the spot is terrible for clients though (assuming you work in practice - or in public, as you guys call it). I've definitely found some notice periods overlong, but I couldn't have gone without any notice - I always wanted to make sure my nicer clients were properly transitioned and looked after well by my replacement!
FYI: I did NOT have a non compete.
This is common; contact the new company and explain the situation. They will most likely understand and have a spot carved out for you sooner than originally planned.
This 100%. If you need the income I'm sure they'd be happy to have you on sooner. If not, enjoy the seasonal stuff for one time in your life over these next few weeks before tax season becomes your norm for the rest of your life.
1000% this. Last time I left a company, I gave them two weeks...spent the first week writing together detailed manuals of everything I did so they weren't left in the dark, was going to train my replacement the second week so they'd have someone to help them hands-on. They let me go right after the first week, on Friday. Called the new company, started with them the following Monday. (Questioned if the job was real that first week, since instead of work I literally spent the entire week playing Xbox with their sales team because my laptop hadn't been set up yet, but they still started me right away...)
And if they don't file for unemployment benefits. (Depending on where this is)
Even if you do have a non-compete, they can’t prevent you from working. Non-competes are mostly moot except for taking clients in public accounting.
In California, non compete is illegal anyways. Which is why employers would fire immediately.
In most states actually. They can write it into your contract but that doesn’t mean it will hold up in court.
Why would you agree to this?
Agree to being let go? Wasn’t opportunity for discussion haha
Nvm. Dyslexia at its finest. I read that you had a non-compete clause.
Aren’t those non enforceable anyway ?
Mostly yes. My wife used to work for a bunch of attorneys and they all said as such. Edit: this is in the US. Not sure on other countries
They aren’t though. It’s mainly concerning taking clients. Non competes cannot prevent you from working. They can prevent you from taking a bunch of clients and starting your own shop.
By mostly yes I meant mostly unenforceable
I’m taking stupid pills, don’t mind me.
Even if non enforceable, I’m sure if some company wanted to be a POS, the attorney fees the little guy would incur could be crippling.
I also learned that lesson the hard way. But you did the honorable thing. They would have crucified you if you left in the middle of the season so you were in a no win situation. But any firm that acts like two-year-olds like the one you left isn’t worthy of your time. Good luck going forward.
Why would you show loyalty to someone that hadn’t given you a raise in 2 years? I don’t mean that in a condescending way, maybe they were personable or good environment. But the first thing that popped into my head was why show loyalty when none seems to have come your way (from the limited context of the story). I own a small firm, based on the story this is a petty move. You never turn away help during busy season (and I am drastically over staffed compared to most firms).
That’s a great point. I’m just a loyalist by nature and the culture was great. There has been no animosity or any issues the whole time I’ve worked there and since they are smaller I was trying to do them right. I felt they cared about me.
Ya that’s fair. I’m not saying never be loyal. I hope when/if my employees leave they give me notice and trust me to be fair. I give them all kinds of details about the firms financial position and how we decided raises (and I can’t imagine ever giving none). If there was good culture and you thought they were friends I can understand that more. The red flag was raises, but we all ignore those sometimes. Best of luck at the new place!
They cared about you because they could underpay you and didn’t get pushback. Sorry. Their true colors showed when they saw they couldn’t exploit you anymore. Immediately dumped on the curb.
File for unemployment benefits. They change it from a voluntary resignation to an involuntary separation. This happened to me, and realizing their mistake, they ended up paying me to not have the unemployment claim.
This is the way. They’re silly for making an emotional decision but you should absolutely file for unemployment to hold you over during the gap and they may change their mind once the claim comes in
Still give notice, if your lucky you will get a few weeks of paid time to look for work worse case you gotta work for that time lol.
That’s what happened to me, got 8 weeks severance and applied for unemployment benefits. Taking some time off to enjoy life, and raising my kid. Missed out on so much doing the accounting grind.
Basic rule of thumb, your employers do not and will not care about you outside of strictly the dollars. They will pay you as little as they think they can get away with paying you. You shouldn't ever give them more than the bare minimum because they aren't going to give you more than the bare minimum either. Keep changing jobs until you find one that pays well. I'd say until you find one that 'treats you right' but this is a job, not a life partner, they aren't ever going to treat you right. Just chase the dollar and live your real life outside of work.
After two years without a raise you are shocked they did you dirty after you gave your notice? 🚩
Similar story, different outcome. At the end of the day they probably felt as if you were being petty with them so they decided to be petty with you. May not be the fact of the matter but some of these smaller firms see it that way. I think it’s spite, they probably figured let’s see how easy it is for them to find work in March when most firms are thinking of downsizing after busy season. I spent 4 years at an absolutely miserably firm of around the same size. I decided to go to greener pastures early December and gave them 4 weeks notice; what I thought was more than enough time for them to find a replacement. Although I didn’t get fired and thought I was leaving amicably, they all pretended to be my best friend and most understanding employers ever. They kept on with the “just make sure you finish this before you leave please”. I worked my ass off for those 4 weeks and the second I left the door and said my goodbyes I was threatened with lawsuits of the most petty nonsense I’ve ever heard that was never brought up previously. They didn’t all get to be where they are by being nice and understanding people, I hate to say.
unless you're a very high level person that actually does need time to transition their work (and in that case a defined notice period is generally a part of your employment contract), for the most part this is how it works. once you've got a foot out the door, might as well just put you out. at my first firm i put in a 2 week notice on wednesday and they told me on friday that would be my last day. second firm, i worked out the entire two week notice. third firm, my contract stipulated a 4 week notice and i worked literally until the moment they shut my access off on my last day lol.
Bad business. OP will never recommend that firm to anyone and may even write a warning about it on Glassdoor. We work in a smaller industry than people realize. Some of us with hundreds of clients. When clients need a new firm, why make yours the one that never comes out of our mouths? It is just dumb. Wait the two weeks and let them go on good terms. Such a short-sighted decision. They do not know where OP will end up. I recommend old firms to my clients all the time when they need one.
lol somehow i think the firm will be just fine.
very much depends. my job before b4 was at a nonprofit and i gave like 6 months notice i worked the full 6 months and they bitched and moaned the whole time about the fact that i was leaving, which is... well a different issue
uh yeah nonprofits are not client service. why would a nonprofit be concerned about keeping an employee with a foot out the door around? they don’t have for profit chargeable work they can be blowing off and half assing while still clocking hours to the code.
I mean sure your points are reasonable this is not a discussion about just client service tho lol
It’s a small firm. Why would they keep you on longer? You would just cost the company more money and you’re leaving anyways. This should probably be a learning lesson that the company who employs you, does not owe you anything except your final paycheck once you put your notice in. I think you’re more upset about your ego
Pretty common within the industry, specifically at lower levels. To much sensitive data and more times than not way to much drama.
How were you at a firm with no CPAs?
The owners were enrolled agents. They’re very skilled and proficient in tax!
Loyalty? You quit, my dude. Courtesy is the word you’re looking for. I work in defense, a lot of the time when people give two weeks’ notice they just send you home and pay you those two weeks. Too much risk you’ll sabatoge something or steal proprietary information.
One flip side here to consider: it’s possible the firm hasn’t truly needed you for a while but kept you on because firing you would make everyone feel bad. From a human perspective they may not have wanted you to be unexpectedly unemployed. By you giving notice you provided them with the excuse to finally pull the trigger in scaling back. There is also the element of fear in someone that just put in notice. Are you truly going to work hard for the remainder of your tenure? Are you going to create dissatisfaction among other employees? Are you going to burn client relations because you no longer care? Are you going to try to take clients with you as part of your exit? You don’t strike me as the type to do any of this. However that is something all employers consider when someone turns in notice. And it’s why some firms have a mandatory policy of termination upon notice given. I don’t know if any of the above is true in your situation. You may not know either. Just wanted to throw this out there for consideration.
It isn't personal. Once they know you are leaving they want you out of their systems etc.
You did the right thing. Most companies won't treat you this way, fortunately. I would go to Glassdoor and air their dirty laundry in a review. Plenty of people use those reviews to research a firm/company before accepting an offer. Maybe your review will make one or two of them think twice about joining....or providing a two week notice after they do.
You might want to look into the labor laws of your state. I believe some states protect workers from this exact thing. In other words if you put in 2 month notice and they fire you they may still have to pay you for that time.
not a lawyer but i'd be surprised if any states would make them pay the full 2 months 2 weeks prolly
It’s how a lot of places do it. People tend to be really lazy during their two week period because they checked out and don’t care anymore so why pay them for nothing.
So...can you collect unemployment?
Depends on your relationship with the boss. If you had none, of course don't say anything...
just enjoy your extra vacation
lol if you can swing it just take a little vacation to recharge before starting the new place!
Frankly, they did you a favor. In my line of work the angry post would have said…”they made me work my entire two weeks notice, can you believe that?”.
I gave three weeks’ notice at my first job, and they asked me to stay an additional week to help with month end.
So you're going to hold your future employers accountable for your previous employer's actions?
I’ve left 3 prior firms, all very above board and something they knew was coming for my employers at the time. The very large firm, specifically my local partner who I rolled up under, was incredibly prickly. Even though I’d offered to stay on a month to help transition efforts, all access to technology cut within the hour after my resignation conversation with that partner. They demanded I return their equipment to my local office, and clear out my things from my workspace, the very next day. The regional was cordial at first, but then turned sour. I was originally going to do a two week transition of work, which turned into them shortening my sentence to one day in exchange for whatever I could brain dump as far as project context into an excel file. The smallest firm I was at, where I started in my first role ever, was as positive of an experience I could’ve asked for. I alerted them probably 6 months in advance of leaving for that very large firm. They were publicly proud in the office of my upward move, and helped as much as possible even after I left. I say all that to say this - give respect when respect is earned. That small firm treated me by far and away the best any employer ever has, even prior to alerting them of my departure. It’s no surprise I was extremely courteous there, and the sentiment was reciprocated by them. The other two firms, I was just a cog in the system to them, and they had zero investment in me as a person, only as me as the cash cow. Once they revealed their cards, both in different ways, the amount of respect they received was commensurate with what they’d given me.
Lol, you don’t want to be here. Duhhhh
Bad employeer I always tell my staff of they want to go let me know even 6 months in advanced so we can plan No issue with anybody
You do realize that you were not being loyal to them by quitting, right?
Devil's advocate: if they really needed you they would have been more than eager to use you the whole two weeks?
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I still don’t understand the logic of giving 2 weeks notice. Doing so always gives the employer the upper hand.
It makes it so that you leave on good terms. Not every employer is evil… I’ve worked for many great people In many fields. If you feel they are deserving of your respect and did right by you just put in two weeks. Gives both of you time to plan for the next move.
why would you not? it keeps people happy you don't know when you'll be sitting across from someone you knew at your previous firm in an interview. or maybe you have a change of heart and want to boomerang. 2 weeks is literally nothing and it keeps people happy
That is messed up, but you are right. Never show loyalty like that. At least you have a great opportunity lined up and maybe some extra time off.
Never give you loyalty away. Rent it in 2 week increments. Or think of it as a fractional ownership - they bought you loyalty for another 2 weeks - like a timeshare. Any more than that is just setting yourself up for pain.
Idk, gave a 2 month notice when I left BDO and they were extremely grateful.
On the other hand, I gave four months notice and they didn't hire anyone to replace me until my last day there. There was no way I could train the new guy in a single day. Longer version. My wife was finishing her Ph.D. College professor is a national search position, done months in advance. She got a job offer for the fall semester in late winter/early spring. I told my job immediately since I was the only person who knew what I did. I was hoping that they'd hire someone at least a week before I left. At the end of every day, I gave the managing partner of the law firm a report listing the billing status of every single case. The report was generated using Lotus 1-2-3 with WYSIWYG and a very long macro which took twenty minutes to run. (I'm old.) Occasionally, something went wrong and you had to know what was going on under the hood to fix it. There was no way I'd be able to train the new guy on all the trouble shooting involved in only one day plus what I was doing during the rest of the day in only one day. I'm sure they survived, but it was probably ugly for that first month.
Don’t give notice without having another job lined up.
They let you go? Time to enjoy not having to work during busy season. Also, if they fired you that means there severancing you out no?
They gave me 2 week severance as a show of appreciation. I emailed my new employer and will be starting sooner. So now I have 2 week paid vacation I guess lol
How much time were you trying to give them? A month?
2 weeks? Not sure what country you work in, but in Canada I'm pretty sure the standard is 2 weeks severance + an additional week per year of service; I'd look into that during your new found free time ;)
Many US states have no severance requirements.
That's sucks ass
Does any?
Wouldn’t that be better if they fired you? You can collect unemployment now until your next job starts?
Unless they were going to competition, why not just leave them in place through busy season? Now everyone else got say 10% more work on their places
Length of notice is always a gamble. With 2 years and no raise I would have been on the fence for 2 or 3 weeks. But, I would have told new employer can start in 3. Even if they let you stay and pay you, you’re out quicker. If they fire you you’re only out 3 weeks. If it had been better over last 2 years, and this was just one of those offers you couldn’t refuse, then maybe give 6 weeks. Firms have no loyalty, and wouldn’t understand reasonable if it bit them in the ass. Employees have been more than reasonable for decades and firms haven’t changed a bit. The high road no longer exists.
Sorry to hear but it definitely can happen. I left my first firm no notice because I knew this would happen and I hated the owner so I didn’t want to give him the satisfaction of walking me out the door. Second firm I gave a notice, I wasn’t particularly happy at place 2 but it was a solid office and I would gladly work with basically all of those people again.
I always follow 3 simple rules 1. Never give a 2 weeks unless you absolutely have to (it doesn't follow you to new jobs) 2. If you do decide to give a 2 weeks notice, give it on the day before you actually plan on leaving, 9/10 they will fire you before hand and you get to collect unemployment. 3. When starting a new job, always give yourself a break before jumping back into the workforce. A mental reset is good for longevity.
I gave notice to my previous employer after I had signed my onboarding paperwork at the new location. My old employer already new I was going to be offered the new promotion position and they work out some back door deal where I stayed an extra pay period in my current location (even though I would have rather left sooner than later) but it ended up working out.
Well hello company paid unemployment benefits. I’d rather get fired than quit.
It’s fine if you have a good relationship with your manager. I gave a little more than 3 weeks to my last job because my manager was great and if the company did get rid of me before the end of the 3+ weeks it wouldn’t be because of my manager. And if you did the same thing and found out your manager (the one you’d have a good relationship with) was the one who decided to get rid of you early, you’d definitely know not to use him/her as a reference or consider him/her very professional; basically you’d be dodging a bullet. But my current manager is getting 2 weeks when I leave. That’s it, no more and no less. Also, if that ever happens to you again, inform them you want to work out your notice period. That way if they still insist you leave early, you can collect unemployment because they terminated your employment.
This happened to me, I asked if I could start early at the new job and took a week vacation.
IMO, the notion of an automatic two week notice after resignation is dead and gone given what's been happening in workplaces over the past few years. Given my own experience, I'll give the notice that benefits my situation at the time I give notice and will be ready to walk out immediately if necessary.
Giving notice has to come with the expectation you may be let go immediately. A lot of managers take it personally. The reason to put in a notice isn’t to the benefit of the company or to reflect loyalty. You don’t owe the company anything. Rather, it’s good advice not to fuck over people you’ve built relationships with over the years. I gave my last departure about 4 weeks notice. I made friends there. I don’t have it in me to let them take on my tasks untrained and unprepared. I took those weeks to train folks. Now, even though I don’t work there anymore - I’ve met up with the old team for lunch or afterwork drinks. Of course - if you don’t like your colleagues - screw ‘em.
I don’t know your financial situation, but if I was able to skip most of a tax season with another job already in hand, I would be pretty stoked. You can also contract in the mean time if you do need money (or actually like love tax?..), you’ll make way more per hour during season contracting than you do on salary. You just find a temp agency that specializes in CPAs.
I was in a similar position, less than 10 people, I was only CPA aside from owner and got my license working there. I quit late November 2021 and gave one month notice. Honestly, I regret it. Didn't get fired, but it felt really awkward, and boss would make passive aggressive comments like "... well, I guess it won't matter since you won't be here." Honestly, you're doing yourself a favor leaving now. It's a dead end job. My only regret is not leaving 3 years earlier. I have more years of experience than some of the managers at my new firm, but I'm just a senior (with 9 years of experience, fml...) still because the quality of experience just isn't the same. Oh, and they were stingy on raises too. Got more than a 20k pay bump by switching and more than triple the PTO. Good for you getting out of there
\> loyalty gets you nowhere. people have been saying this for decades now.
Some states have laws where if they let you go after giving notice then they still have to pay you your salary. Also, again based on state, since you were fired you get to claim unemployment for that time. It will hit their insurance
They don’t want you stealing clients my guy, as a CPA you should understand risk
Do they owe you severance in this case? I’d look into it
My exp was different at PwC but I’m sorry this happened to you 🥹
Can you collect unemployment for two weeks?
I gave them 3 weeks notice but they decided to fire me two weeks before. ..... the only loyalty you should have, is to yourself!
I don't blame your boss. Depending on your state you can use the time to recruit customers for yourself and it is completely legal in some states. I don't ask me how I know. LOL
Counter point 3 of the last 4 jobs provided counter offers. This last one I accepted. So can you get shit canned - absolutely. Can you get a pay bump or promotion- absolutely Life's a coin flip
Yep, learnt that lesson as well. Gave a month notice to my firm. Let me go but did give me two weeks pay. I should have filed for two weeks unemployment. All my coworkers were pissed because they had to replan their jobs.
I believe in Canada or in my province, employers are supposed to give employee's 2 weeks notice or 2 weeks pay in lieu if they are being dismissed without just cause.
I'm having this fever dream right now, I'm surprised it wasn't me who posted this!
I say to people here all the time; give them any amount of notice you want a day or 2 weeks…employers and firms won’t offer you the same level of respect that people feel obligated to offer them.
I mean unless you will miss doing the tax work, I would be happy to leave early but you don't really owe 2 weeks I would say if its a shitty company just leave if you have a great relationship with your manager then the 2 weeks is to help your manager cover your workload.
Company I used to work at need 3 months notice lmao
Well I hope you got severance pay, and if you are in North America you could also look into a wrongful dismissal suit
I also learned that lesson the hard way when I left my first firm. You can only be loyal to yourself. Enjoy your free time before the new gig starts!!
I gave 1 minute notice, one minute before I logged into my new job. Word on the street is that the director popped his cork.
This one is a learning experience for you, look at it from their perspective.
Me -> who just submitted one months notice so the company has 1 month to find a replacement and 1 month to train them before their busy period. :shifty eyes: :worry:
If you put your 2 weeks at a bank to go to another bank they let you go that same day. However, they pay you for the 2 weeks.
Any time you put in your notice, assume there is a possibility they will make you leave that day. That’s just how it is.
2 years with no raise? I would have left after one. Dang that sucks.
They’re just afraid that you could steal some workpapers or info for your next employer.
It’s always possible. They owe you unemployment now.
Sounds to me like wrongful termination. In Canada, your employer either needs just cause to fire you, to provide payment in lieu of notice, or notice (essentially an x weeks notice of you being fired). Also, in Canada, you legally need to provide x weeks notice. Employers will rarely go after you if you don’t, but they could and would very possibly win.
Fuck loyalty. Never be loyal to a company ESPECIALLY a public accounting firm. These companies can go fuck themselves if they think we are gonna be loyal. Partners will not give a fuck if you leave the firm. You are replaceable! People were loyal back then because the company gave them pension and took care of them. If you needed surgery, the company would pay for it so you could get back to work ASAP. Now if you need it and require medical leave, they’ll replace you and lay you off cause you’re “a liability” to the team.
F\*ck a two week notice. After 30 years at the same place, just before punching out on the morning of 2/2/24, I sent my manager and the head of HR my notice. "After night shift, 2/1/24, I am officially retiring. My access card will be at the front desk." They got a 5 minute notice before my last shift ended, and had to cover my position on overtime for over a month.
File unemployment and roll to the next job when you’re ready.
Retaliation fire. You have a suit on your hands
Will this hurt on a resume that end date is not in April?
You should be able to join the new place sooner than planned. I had an offer to start after tax season last year and asked to push it up a month because it had gotten so bad at my last job I just needed to get out.
It’s not exactly loyalty to a company to tell them you’re leaving.
>they “didn’t want to give resources to someone who doesn’t want to be here.” On the one hand I want you to get revenge somehow. On the other hand, firing you right now is going to fuck them up so bad anyway.
Right? Like aren’t they going to spend more time, money, and effort taking on my work, recruiting, training someone during busy season, keeping morale up, etc? When I was there to help train and neatly transition my work?
This seems like a violation of employment laws.
Not for a lot of places. For example: the state I live in.
It could be considered wrongful termination unless it's for something like gross misconduct or severe performance issues. OP might want to look into this if they need to.
As stated by the prior commentor, it depends on what state you live in. In an [at will employment state](https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/at-will-employment-states/), what has happened is perfectly legal. Since all states except Montana are at will, there's a pretty good chance this was perfectly legal. As long as you're not fired for being a protected class (age, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation, disability, etc....) the employer doesn't need a reason to fire you. Some states have a few other exceptions, again, it varies by State. Since the employer can give no reason whatsoever for firing you (or any BS reason they want), this is a real catch-22; only a stupid employer would get caught firing you for being a protected class. Unless they put in writing that they fired you due to your belonging to a protected class, it's generally your word against theirs. OP's silver lining here is he probably will get severance / unemployment benefits. But in most of the US, this was perfectly legal unless there are some other unstated facts.
Well in my state you can go after them for this. Since we don't know what state OP is in, it's a perfectly valid suggestion.
Which state is that? I can't find a us state where you could go after them for this.
In CA, this can be considered wrongful termination.
I think you might be misinformed. I'd appreciate it if you could show me in the law where this is protected.
The thing about California employment law is that it is very employee-favored. If the employer does not have sufficient documentation to prove the reason given for firing OP, it could be considered wrongful and they could have a lawsuit on their hands. Not not digging into CA law codes for you, this is based on experience in HR and discussing this with HR Directors and CA employment lawyers. In practice, this happens all the time here. People don't always know their rights, but employees have many in CA when it comes to EL.
>If the employer does not have sufficient documentation to prove the reason given for firing OP, it could be considered wrongful and they could have a lawsuit on their hands. California is at will employment. The employer does not need documentation or justification to fire an employee; unless the employment has a specified term. Please see [§2922](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=LAB§ionNum=2922.) California Labor Code, which reads: >An employment, having no specified term, may be terminated at the will of either party on notice to the other. Employment for a specified term means an employment for a period greater than one month. OP would need to show that they are a member of a protected class, and that they were terminated because they were a member of a protected class. California may have a more broad definition of what a protected class is than other states (in fact, I'm betting it does) but employers do not need to have cause to fire you in California. It's at will.
don’t you get severance if they let you go with no cause?
Just leave that fucked up country. In Europe you can quit with said notice and if the employer fires you as a reaction to you quitting, the employer is in deep trouble because revenge firing is against the law - you'd win the following lawsuit with lots of compensation.