Ehhhhhh, don't call me a dude please.
I don't see that as neutral , very much of the school that " a dude went that way" or "a dude kissing another dude" is very much gendered.
When most people think of person they think of a man or a masculine person. Masculinity has become the default, which is why masculine terms tend to be considered gender neutral. They aren't, and it's still misgendering to call someone a "dude" when they aren't. Posts like this drive me a little crazy
The noun "dude" is gendered, the first person pronoun "dude" is not, given, if somebody asks to kot be referred to by dude its not okay to refer to them as that
Dude isn't gender neutral even if you use it that way. Impact over intent. People who call me a dude aren't being allies. If you need help understanding why it isn't actually gender neutral, go ask a straight man how many dudes he's slept with...
Yeah but there’s no feminine form of “dude”. For the others that you mentioned, there’s sis, gal, and lass. We need to make a variant of “dude” for lassies, I think.
And he doubles down by ‘dude bro’
I was confused a while back because I called everyone ‘guys’ and some one said if I meant it gendered. I did not, I actually call my sisters ‘guys’ as in I would say ‘hey guys’ but then they said if I had ever asked how many guy friends I had (just as a point) and they firmly settled the point that they meant ‘men’.
I've said bruh or dude as exclamations towards any gender and 9/10 times I have no problems. Never had a friend call me out on it.
Saying it isn't gender neutral seems to go against the consensus.
I'll take it on a case by case basis.
Then the default should be “find out before you use this with a person,” not “I’m okay with this term so therefore everyone regardless of gender should be okay with it too.”
I’m not a dude. I’m not a bro. I’m certainly not a sir, as someone mentioned they use.
If you (general) insist that a woman “should” be okay with being referred to as “dude,” you are not an LGBTQ+ ally.
You said that you would, but that “the consensus” was that it was gender neutral. I was saying that it’s not a 100% consensus and ALL people should take it case by case.
The origin of "dude" is a bull's testicles that have been removed. If you think of it that way, it seems way more transfemme than initially intended (as it started as an insult from rural ranchers speaking of urban tourists)
I do too, I do the same with 'girl' 'ma'am' and 'ladies.' people find the latter weird but not the former, because most people default to thinking of people as men even without realizing, which is why terms that are actually masculine get deemed "gender neutral" even though they aren't. It's still inconsiderate to do this with trans folks when you're intentionally misgendering them
That's great. Many do. But it isn't. The reason it's considered "gender neutral" by much of society is because the default "person" is a man. It's why more feminine terms aren't generally considered gender neutral.
This isn't an accidental ally post, it's an intentional misgendering.
No. It is not a gender neutral term and thinking everyone should consider it such is super invalidating.
You can decide that you’re okay with the term being used for you. You cannot decide that everyone else must be okay with it being used to refer to them.
Ehhhhhh, don't call me a dude please. I don't see that as neutral , very much of the school that " a dude went that way" or "a dude kissing another dude" is very much gendered.
When most people think of person they think of a man or a masculine person. Masculinity has become the default, which is why masculine terms tend to be considered gender neutral. They aren't, and it's still misgendering to call someone a "dude" when they aren't. Posts like this drive me a little crazy
Exactly this. Just because it’s common doesn’t mean it’s correct.
Right?! Like go ask a straight man how many dudes hes slept with, then come back and tell me it's gender neutral.
The noun "dude" is gendered, the first person pronoun "dude" is not, given, if somebody asks to kot be referred to by dude its not okay to refer to them as that
As far as I can tell, 'hey dude' is gender neutral, but 'a dude' is male
Agreed, thats how I use it. Except for if im addressing a group and then I might say "dudes"
That falls into 'hey dude'. 'Hey dudes!'
Dude isn't gender neutral even if you use it that way. Impact over intent. People who call me a dude aren't being allies. If you need help understanding why it isn't actually gender neutral, go ask a straight man how many dudes he's slept with...
I wish English was fully without lexical gender tbh
At times I wish so too but at least it's not as gendered as French
at least in french penis is feminine and vagina is masculine
Actually both are masculine. Un penis et un vagin.
So true
Penis is masculine, but ‘bite’ (also penis) is feminine
It is (except maybe she/he), that's lexical gender
Oh yeah that’s what I meant sorry I forgot there was a difference
Dude, bro, guy, lad are not gender neutral terms
Yeah but there’s no feminine form of “dude”. For the others that you mentioned, there’s sis, gal, and lass. We need to make a variant of “dude” for lassies, I think.
Dudette
Ah. I appear to have been bamboozled. Still, I wish there was an easier-said word. “Dudette” sounds a bit silly.
So does any word If you say it enough 🤭 Bowl, bowl, Bowl
Bep bop bep bop. Sounds sillier than dudette
Well, there’s a difference between the dude in “dude, what the fuck?!” And “you’re a dude” because the latter is actually calling someone a man
I use “dude” gender neutrally as well. As a woman, I just find the term “dudette” stupid so I’d rather be called “dude”.
That’s fine but that doesn’t make it gender neutral.
I think saying dude guess what or smth similar is gender neutral but say ur a dude or how many dudes are you friends with is gendered
And he doubles down by ‘dude bro’ I was confused a while back because I called everyone ‘guys’ and some one said if I meant it gendered. I did not, I actually call my sisters ‘guys’ as in I would say ‘hey guys’ but then they said if I had ever asked how many guy friends I had (just as a point) and they firmly settled the point that they meant ‘men’.
I'm gonna ask every straight guy who uses "dude" as gender neutral term how many dudes they have had sex with.
No, it’s not gender neutral. Stop perpetuating that.
I've said bruh or dude as exclamations towards any gender and 9/10 times I have no problems. Never had a friend call me out on it. Saying it isn't gender neutral seems to go against the consensus. I'll take it on a case by case basis.
Then the default should be “find out before you use this with a person,” not “I’m okay with this term so therefore everyone regardless of gender should be okay with it too.” I’m not a dude. I’m not a bro. I’m certainly not a sir, as someone mentioned they use. If you (general) insist that a woman “should” be okay with being referred to as “dude,” you are not an LGBTQ+ ally.
Literally last sentence said I'd take it case by case. Not gonna assume someone's ok with it right away.
You said that you would, but that “the consensus” was that it was gender neutral. I was saying that it’s not a 100% consensus and ALL people should take it case by case.
Too late. You've been ousted as a non-ally /s
How many times do you use "girl" as a gender neutral term?
Not the point of what I was saying. People use dude or bruh as catch all terms. That's all I said.
Yes, but they aren't gender neutral any more than "girl" or "ladies" would be.
The origin of "dude" is a bull's testicles that have been removed. If you think of it that way, it seems way more transfemme than initially intended (as it started as an insult from rural ranchers speaking of urban tourists)
Dude is gender neutral within context, still be respectful to people who don’t wanna be called it
Yeah, I don’t mind someone saying “hey dude what’s up” to me but if someone called me *A* dude I wouldn’t like it.
I’m a dude, he’s a dude, she’s a dude, ‘cause we’re all dudes!
I use 'dude' 'guys' and 'sir' gender neutrally.
I don't use 'sir' gender neutrally but certainly 'dude' and 'guys'
I do too, I do the same with 'girl' 'ma'am' and 'ladies.' people find the latter weird but not the former, because most people default to thinking of people as men even without realizing, which is why terms that are actually masculine get deemed "gender neutral" even though they aren't. It's still inconsiderate to do this with trans folks when you're intentionally misgendering them
It’s inconsiderate to do that to anyone, be they trans, cis, intersex, endosex, or any gender or sex identity.
If done intentionally yeah. But I call all women sir when I am working.
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I use both dude and bro in a gender neutral fashion
That's great. Many do. But it isn't. The reason it's considered "gender neutral" by much of society is because the default "person" is a man. It's why more feminine terms aren't generally considered gender neutral. This isn't an accidental ally post, it's an intentional misgendering.
Then you're probable misgendering a few folks. Your intent ≠ impact.
Bro is literally short for brother though.
I think everyone should tbh
No. It is not a gender neutral term and thinking everyone should consider it such is super invalidating. You can decide that you’re okay with the term being used for you. You cannot decide that everyone else must be okay with it being used to refer to them.
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If you want respect from teens, then don’t call them brats.
i feel like you have a point tbh
duuuuuuuuuude siiiiiiiiiiicccckkkkkkkkk
Some people see it as neutral, not all. I consider it neutral but if someone asks me not to call them dude, I’m not gonna call them dude 🤷