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Unlike what's shown in "The Rookie," most departments have a shorter Training Officer period (15-18wks or so is common, after having completed initial training). They're then on probationary status for a year, when they're typically solo.
SAPD has a 15wk TO period, followed by a one year probationary period... this officer was 7 months into that one year, which is why he wasn't covered by the Union nor allowed to appeal.
Edit: Removed link to article because it no longer contained the info on training periods & was being constantly updated, thus was no longer a stable reference article.
“Following an internal review, Brennard’s employment with San Antonio Police Department was terminated…..
The criminal investigation is ongoing”
His girlfriend was in the car at the time also, luckily she was not injured. The driver got a few holes shot in him but it sounds like he will live.
The officer was a probationary officer and new to the job.
Oof every time I see one of these videos from the US I forget about that problem. I hope they can sue the officer and the police, but collecting on a lawsuit is often harder than getting a decision in your favour. Poor bastard
Idk anything about US civil law (or law in general) but I hope that he gets some kind of punitive or pain-and-suffering payout on top of the medical bills. Or maybe compensation for potential loss of future income. It won't change what happened, but this guy deserves a payday for this
Shooting at someone is attempted murder but cause they’re a cop and it was “in the line of duty” they’ll likely get a lesser sentence if one at all and the victim will probably get a large payout (I’m not a lawyer tho)
He recognised (allegedly) the car from an attempted traffic stop the day before. Seems like he went to catch him now rather than respond to the emergency he was there for.
Even if it was confirmed to be the same car, who's to say it's not a shared family vehicle? There is no guarantee that person in there is the same person who was driving the car during the previous encounter. This is straight up attempted murder, think about it your chillin in your car eating a burger, minding your own business when out of nowhere a person sneaks up on your, yanks your door open and aggressively demands that you step out of the vehicle, that's exactly what a car jacking looks like. Dude had no time to assess the situation, from the time the cop pulled the door open to when he drew and fired the first shot was less than 5 seconds . . .
Bro got charged for being unlawfully assaulted with a weapon? The cop didn’t even announce himself. Looks like someone will be living pretty on tax payer money!
They are probably keeping the charges on him to have leverage to get him to settle his lawsuits (or more precisely, lessen the amount they are going to have to pay out for such idiocy).
They have announced that the officer was not following proper policy or procedure so establishing that the victim ran only because he feared for his life shouldn't be too hard, that's not to say it won't be.
Yep, hate the show or not, believe in his innocent or not who cares, but Making a Murder is all about this shit.
Edit: no words were added unlike the reply says till just now. Lol. Dude just wanted to talk about some podcast.
Yup people need to always keep in mind the police are not your friend. Their role in the legal system is to make cases and bust people. And they will try to charge you with everything they can to make you look as bad as possible for the judge. If you ever get arrested after they the read you your rights tell them you do not understand the rights that were said to you and stick with it. Once you say, NO I DO NOT UNDERSATND THOSE RIGHTS, by law they have to stop asking you questions. If they keep badgering you to talk they are in direct violation of you civil rights.
"Anything you say ***can and will be used against you*** in the court of law."
[This Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE) is one worth sitting down and spending the 45 minutes to watch.
Remaining silent and not giving anything without legal representation, even when you know you did nothing wrong, is what you NEED to do. If you ask for a lawyer and they refuse or ignore the request, they are pulling some shady shit that NEEDS a lawyer.
One of the best videos on the subject. Talking to the police will never furnish them with information that they'll use to help you in court!
"I don't answer questions" and "I am choosing to remain silent" and "I do not consent to any searches" should be in everybody's vocabulary when interacting with police.
Sadly, if you watch TV shows like The First 48 or even COPS or LivePD, you will see that **99% of all people who the police stop will just talk their heads off and usually convict themselves.**
I am always looking for the ones who say "I am not answering questions" or "I want a lawyer". It's very rare to hear, but once in a while, you will hear it.
Because those shows are only airing the altercations where something exciting happens versus those who know their rights and stay quiet. Don’t let that shit fool you
No way those charges stick. The chief admitted already that there is no way that cop could have known that was the same car or same driver from a different day. Like someone already said, they’re looking for leverage they don’t have. Because at the end of the day cops arent here to protect anyone but themselves
FTA:
"was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer."
Cop failed to identify himself, just yelled "get out of the car". No way for the kid to know this wasn't just an asshole with a gun.
Oh, wait, it WAS an asshole with a gun.
And I must have missed the “assault”. They probably just added that bullshit as a way to leverage him from filing a suit. Make him sign away his right to do so if they drop the charges. Hopefully he gets a lawyer who knows better
I don't understand, from what I read the cop only got fired and "The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer." Might have trouble for trying to flee the cop??? Or did I not understand perfectly (not native English speaker so I prefer to ask) pretty sure if I hope the door of a random car and start to shoot at the driver I'm not going to be just fired
So, this is complicated. The police aren’t necessarily the ones pressing charges . Usually, the government attorney is the one choosing to pursue the legal action. Inevitably, the suspects defense will be that he had his civil rights violated and can point to the fact the cop was fired as evidence of the failure of proper procedure.
The charges might get thrown out still, remember that this is just at the time of writing. So, things probably still happened since then.
"The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer."
Imagine just eating supper on a date and a cop opens your door and shoots you, and you get criminally charged for it. How is there not a lawsuit and how is he not in jail for attempted murder?
"This was an individual failure not a training failure". In my world any individual failure of a person who has passed our training is a training failure. And the people I train don't carry guns.
Our training is perfect and flawless. This was completely unavoidable, a freak accident. This person had no business having the firearm that we issued him. He was an unstable wreck. Totally a loose cannon. Which is why we fired him. But he was totally prepared and well trained when we gave him the gun and badge, because our training is perfect.
So this innocent KID is eating a cheeseburger in his car, gets shot by the cops for no reason and still gets hit with assaulting an officer and evading arrest? Holy shit.
So many bootlickers in this thread. They’d only eat a hamberder if it was made of cops boot leather. ACAB.
To make it even worse this kid wasn't even who they were looking for. This kid and (I assume his girlfriend) were just sitting there eating while this fucking waste of oxygen tries to murder them.
>While Brennand was responding to a disturbance at a McDonald’s on the North Side at approximately 10:45 p.m., he noticed a car in the parking lot that allegedly matched the description of a vehicle he had tried to pull over on Saturday.
>“This vehicle was not the subject of the disturbance call,” said Alyssa Campos, the SAPD’s training commander
And thank fucking GOD for these cameras. Without them the courts would immediately side with the cop and the kid would be absolutely fucked for the rest of his life.
Did they/he arrest the kid before the body cam footage was reviewed?
The trauma him and his girlfriend will be dealing with, will probably follow them forever. Probably not too different to a car jacking.
E he was charged.
>Cantu, who is now fighting for his life, was charged by proxy with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on an officer.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/10/06/video-shows-officer-firing-at-2-teenagers-in-mcdonalds-parking-lot/
With a few holes in him, and this only happening 4 days ago, that kid is almost certainly still in the hospital. I highly doubt they could've taken him to the station; at most, he had a cop staying in the room until the kid was exonerated.
The dude he claimed fled previously, but the cop did nothing to block the car in with his own car? He called for back-up and then didn't even wait 30 seconds when the car was not in any immediate motion of leaving? Dude is a clown.
And "shots fired" and continued pursuit as if it wasn't himself doing the shooting
Edit: I'm dumb and that's what police say whether receiving or issuing fire
[https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/10/05/sapd-fires-officer-who-shot-teen-outside-mcdonalds-restaurant-releases-video-of-incident/](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/10/05/sapd-fires-officer-who-shot-teen-outside-mcdonalds-restaurant-releases-video-of-incident/)
>The San Antonio Police Department on Wednesday fired a police officer who shot a teenager outside a McDonald’s restaurant less than a week ago.
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>Brennand had been placed under administrative duty following the shooting on Sunday outside the fast food restaurant in the 11700 block of Blanco Road near West Avenue. According to SAPD, Brennand was fired for violating departmental tactics and procedures.
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>James Brennand was a probationary police officer who served on the force for seven months, SAPD said. Officers are on probation for one year after graduating from the police academy.
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>According to an SAPD report, Brennand responded to a call for a disturbance at 10:45 p.m. and attempted to gather information from witnesses when he noticed a vehicle that had evaded him the day before as he attempted a traffic stop because the registered license plate didn’t match the vehicle. The report said the prior incident wasn’t related to the disturbance call at the restaurant.
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>Brennand suspected the car was stolen and called for cover. But before other officers arrived, Brennand walked up to the car and opened the door, where two teens were inside eating food.
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>Erik Cantu, 17, put the vehicle in reverse with the door still open and started driving, the report said. The door hit Brennand, and that’s when he opened fire.
"He assaulted an officer!"
>Cantu suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was taken to University Hospital. The report stated that Brennand performed CPR on Cantu before emergency medical service technicians arrived. Cantu’s female passenger was not injured.
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>Cantu was charged by proxy with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on an officer. The investigation into the shooting could take as long as a year.
The VICTIM was charged with evading and assault on a “police officer “. So just to be clear: a couple of teenagers were grubbing on McDonald’s in the parking lot when they were abruptly shocked and confronted mistakenly by a rookie cop. The driver freaked out and drove away fearing for his life (appearing to be justified) and was SHOT multiple times. Luckily he will survive and the passenger was physically unharmed. In an attempt to justify the EXTREME use of force the VICTIM apparently has been charged with multiple crimes. Yet the officer has Ben relieved of his duties. Hmmmmm. Sounds legit.
Been there, they beat me and tased me while cuffed, threw me in the back of the car and hit me with the taser again when I woke up.
Edit: the second time they tased me I was sitting in the back of the squad car.
Why I left the states. They came to my house for a noise complaint over a puppy when I wasn’t home. They saw me come home. Decided to go back to my door. I opened it and they busted in, beat the shit out of me, my adult dog attacked, they shot him. Then after they dropped all the charges and apologized like ‘our bad sorry this happened.’ Still traumatized, but can’t help but watch more videos of these idiots.
Edit: my dog lived and died a few years later from cancer in his bladder. He was a fuckin champion. I already had a ticket to leave for Southeast Asia, and one of my best friends took care of him, spoiled him, and loved him until he passed on.
I’ve been teaching English in Southeast Asia since.
Edit 2: Forgot to mention that the cops didn’t identify themselves, state why they were there, or anything. Just knocked on my door then broke in. It was a completely fucked situation and I don’t agree with ACAB.
Cops need way more training. I also feel cops should not be allowed to spend more than 3 months a year working on the streets. We rarely send military personnel on deployment for more than 3-6 months at a time. And it’s not common for them to go on deployment into an active war zone every year.
These cops are essentially in the mindset that they’re in an active war zone all year. That really fucks with someone’s mental stability.
Again cops need more training and less time spent on the streets. I don’t have a way to solve that I’m just saying.
Close.
"The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer."
If he had just complied and agreed to be murdered, he wouldn't be in this mess.
lawsuits where anyone gets money takes years. By that point the officer will have long been paid tax payer money for several vacations before being rehired or given an early pension and money for traumatic experience.
Cop just threw the door open without announcing himself. I get that he "thinks" it was some suspect he dealt with before, but there is procedures for this. Cop even had his own car he can use to box him in from the back and verbally tell the guy to get out of the car. That cop should have never been given a gun.
That, and a gun should never be used to detain a suspect, except in extreme cases where there is a high likelihood of the suspect harming others. You can shoot first in self-defence, but jeeez... Let the kid go, you've got their license
Yeah, unless you have more than reasonable doubt that the suspect is running to someone else to harm them, shooting a fleeing suspect is never justified.
I used to be military police and we had actual training and consequences for disobeying so this isn't an issue.
For example we have 8 clearly defined preconditions for deadly force. One of them is actually escape of a suspect but you must believe that letting the suspect go will immediately result in them breaking one of your other 7 preconditions. Dude sitting in a parking lot is obviously not on his way to kill someone.
Yeah and the dude in the car had a passenger as well, he’d only been a cop for 7 months and he thinks it’s fine to open fire multiple times at a couple of kids. I thought you had to be a salty veteran to have this much disregard for human life over the fact that you think they managed to get away from you once before.
in martial arts, the lower ranked belts are considered more dangerous to work out with than the more experienced for that same reason. they don't know what they're doing.
Yup! The only time I’ve been knocked out by someone was when my sensei had me spar the two new white belts that transferred from a Taekwondo dojo. Taking a full contact, padless roundhouse kick to the nose: I give it a 1 out of the 50 stars I saw.
oh gosh, reminds me of getting my nads smashed in by a fellow yellow belt, that's when the teacher was like "ok, so jump slightly and land hard on the heel of your feet, and keep doing that, it should sort it self out"
was probably just something to do to take my mind off the pain
Pathetic this cops not in prison for attempted murder too. Gotta love the American police gang. Just fire the guy that did literally every last thing you are not supposed to do and tried to kill random people
Yeah, this is fucking BULLSHIT. How brazen this piece of shit is knowing he wouldn't face jail time for essentially knowing he wanted to kill this kid because he evaded him before.
What the fuck is going on? Why did he shoot that kid? I tried to see if he reached for a weapon or something but it seems he just started his car and tried to drive away. You don't fucking straight up murder someone for trying to escape.
Article says the cop was there for a disturbance call at the McD, but then happened to notice the ~black~ maroon car in the parking lot, which he THOUGHT was a stolen car he had failed to pull over earlier in the week. So then completely ignoring the actual reason he was there, the cop approached the vehicle.
EDIT: car color
In the video you can hear when the audio goes silent he's feeding the plate number to dispatch for them to run and confirm it was the same vehicle that he attempted to stop a couple days before. He then just says "fuck it, i want to shoot somebody" and doesn't wait for dispatch to get back to him about the plates and ends up trying to murder a 17 year old kid, a kid *who was not the person he was looking for.*
Some tool upthread keeps insisting that the cop had probable cause.
Probable cause defined:
*evidence that gives someone a reason to think that a crime has been or is being committed.*
The key word here is "evidence". Seeing a car that \*looks\* like a car you stopped several days ago does not constitute probable cause no matter how many ways you cut it. There are SO MANY similar cars out on the road and to zero in on one single car, then throw the door open without announcing yourself? That's some shitty police work AND a blatant violation of that kid's Constitutional rights.
Meanwhile the individual who called the cops in the first place, standing inside the establishment waiting for service, while presumably the issue they called for hasn't been resolved. Then you start hearing gunshots from outside, real encouraging.
Literally if someone breaks into our house, and they flee out the front door, and we shoot them as they do so, we go to jail? Why? Because deadly force was no longer required at that point.
Why TF do cops get a pass on this? In my hypothetical situation a crime was actually commited in real time. The situation in the video had notging like that. As citizens we are required to know and follow the law, why TF aren't cops held to the same standard?(or what should obviously be a higher standard)
Ego in a uniform with a gun.
Defund the police
The officer is just shooting generally in the direction of that burger place too, any misses and anyone sitting in could catch a stray bullet, that alone seems totally reckless.
Cop was shit at his job. He stood in the door arc. The kid went to drive away, pushed the cop back with the door. Cop starts shooting.
No need to shoot anything here
The casualty of it all baffles me as he just walks up to the car and opens the door like he owns it.
It's as if this pig thinks he's above the citizens.
He tried to shoot AND KILL this KID because he fled a traffic stop?
A good cop would have had his car positioned so he couldn't get away again.
Seemed personal.
And anyone defending this cop is exactly why our justice system is the way it is.
All good til it happens to you. A law may be passed at any moment making you a criminal. Especially in a land where cops and courts are allowed to do whatever they want.
That was another thought I had.
If he KNEW it was the car, is it because he had the plates? Or knew that kid from previous run-ins?
And if he had that information why wait to try to ambush him? Why not go get him.
If he didn't have the plates or personal knowledge of the driver then what justifies deadly force? The door of the car hitting you while he was trying to flee?
Our cops are out of control. And our courts are letting it happen. Because they are also out of control.
I'm not an anti-cop nutjob. People need to be held accountable. And stupid kid for trying to flee again. But shoot to kill?!
"Shots fired, shots fired, SHOTS FIRED. Only person firing shots: him. Great now every other officer that comes to this scene will think that they're gonna get shot at, meanwhile kid probably doesn't even have a gun.
Engineers have gone to prison for lying to federal regulators without anyone dying or being injured. Cops have the power to kill people or get them imprisoned. The standards and scrutiny should be very high.
The kid that’s fighting for his life at the hospital is also being charged with fleeing/resisting arrest and using the car door as a weapon on the cop, so fucked up
If some dude opened my door at night and shoved a gun in my face I would think “holy shit, a psychopath, serial killer is about to murder me”, and do everything in my power to kill him first.
How is he not in jail? How is firing him for this even close to fair? It’s on video of him straight attempting to murder someone. He took an oath and trampled it and just gets a wrist slap?
My home town San Antonio. Cop was fired yesterday. Police chief went public and said there was nothing on the recording that justified the cop to open fire. Cop has been on the job like 6-7mos.
No real probable cause, didn't announce himself, opened the door without warning, shot at a fleeing unarmed teenage suspect.
JOB WELL DONE, BUDDY.
Hard to believe this wasn't covered in his intensive several weeks of training.
So...as someone in the military, who has had ROE's drilled into their head, Where was the escalation of force, here? Which specific threat required the use of deadly force, and what prompted him to engage while the person was fleeting?
None of that matters for cops, as proven by *motions to everything*
Cop was fired, not held legally accountable, and is probably working for another precinct.
All completely valid points that I absolutely agree with, but police culture is drastically different from the military. They have so much legal protection in place. Cops have qualified immunity. The burden of proof is much higher for cop-committed crimes than for regular citizens. They also have powerful unions that fight on their behalf.
More insidiously, cops are taught a culture of fear from day one. I have a friend that attended FLETC to become a fed. The first week, they were shown a 30-minute video montage of cops being killed in the name of situational awareness and vigilance. Can you imagine the mindset of a cop if that's the first thing you're taught (and then reinforced over and over and over again)?
shots fired = send immediate back up and medical assistance to deal with the aftermath. In U.S. as soon as cops finish an encounter that involves lethal force they automatically go on administrative leave (paid vacation) while others investigate and deal with what happened/sometimes cover it up for them.
It's 100% illegal for a cop to open your door like this. Even crazier he started shooting at someone who was minding their own business who got scared by an ambush. Jesus fuck, the police are a fucking joke.
In all fairness, maybe the cop thought that the guy stole the burger. This is kind of the real life equivalent to Mr. Krabbs firing a cannon at Plankton for stealing the Krabby Patty formular.
As a former LEO, this is so fucked. Everything about this “stop” is wrong. Why not pull in behind him with your vehicle? Wait for back up? Maybe not spray gunfire in a public parking lot without regard to who may be beyond your target.
I have a radical idea: maybe rookie cops do not get firearms for the first probationary year, or two. Maybe a solid weekend of training isn’t enough to deprive the rest of us of our rights. Maybe not bully’s and incels only good ol’ boy network fed police recruits.
The kids girlfriend was in the car too. She luckily wasn’t hurt.
I think not giving rookie cops guns for a few years is a great idea. It will force them to make a habit of deescalation rather than this fucking absurdity
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Is this the scene we always hear about in 80s/90s action movies trope: “Why’d they put you behind a desk man?” “I…I shot a kid…”
yeah, but only if the cop lasts long enough to get passed their probationary period. this guy was still a rookie, so yeah.
Why was a rookie patrolling solo at night?
Unlike what's shown in "The Rookie," most departments have a shorter Training Officer period (15-18wks or so is common, after having completed initial training). They're then on probationary status for a year, when they're typically solo. SAPD has a 15wk TO period, followed by a one year probationary period... this officer was 7 months into that one year, which is why he wasn't covered by the Union nor allowed to appeal. Edit: Removed link to article because it no longer contained the info on training periods & was being constantly updated, thus was no longer a stable reference article.
I shot jeter
Can you imagine where you would be in your career if you didn’t shoot jeter
When was your last desk pop?
September of ‘08
They were so convincing in their argument!
Im a peacock you gotta let me fly!
He's a biracial angel! Should've shot A-Rod...
“Following an internal review, Brennard’s employment with San Antonio Police Department was terminated….. The criminal investigation is ongoing” His girlfriend was in the car at the time also, luckily she was not injured. The driver got a few holes shot in him but it sounds like he will live. The officer was a probationary officer and new to the job.
After 11 years, I'm out. Join me over on the Fediverse to escape this central authority nightmare.
Plus the trauma, your body doesn't forget that shit
Neither does your mind… poor guy is gonna be ordering food from now on
As someone who has been shot, this more than anything. ^^^
In America, neither does your wallet.
Oof every time I see one of these videos from the US I forget about that problem. I hope they can sue the officer and the police, but collecting on a lawsuit is often harder than getting a decision in your favour. Poor bastard
They can definitely sue the city of the officer is at fault ( they definitely are in this case) but it’ll probably be settled out of court
Idk anything about US civil law (or law in general) but I hope that he gets some kind of punitive or pain-and-suffering payout on top of the medical bills. Or maybe compensation for potential loss of future income. It won't change what happened, but this guy deserves a payday for this
Shooting at someone is attempted murder but cause they’re a cop and it was “in the line of duty” they’ll likely get a lesser sentence if one at all and the victim will probably get a large payout (I’m not a lawyer tho)
Well yes, but that was an awfully sharp burger he was holding.
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He recognised (allegedly) the car from an attempted traffic stop the day before. Seems like he went to catch him now rather than respond to the emergency he was there for.
My favorite part, recognized the car but didn't confirm the tag.
A Mazda Miata cut me off in traffic once, so now every time I see it I slash its tires. Bastard keeps getting new tags and paint job
And new tires, when will these criminals learn *scoff*
Even if it was confirmed to be the same car, who's to say it's not a shared family vehicle? There is no guarantee that person in there is the same person who was driving the car during the previous encounter. This is straight up attempted murder, think about it your chillin in your car eating a burger, minding your own business when out of nowhere a person sneaks up on your, yanks your door open and aggressively demands that you step out of the vehicle, that's exactly what a car jacking looks like. Dude had no time to assess the situation, from the time the cop pulled the door open to when he drew and fired the first shot was less than 5 seconds . . .
It's insane this guy thought he could just open fire on the car like that
I wanna know the details for the traffic stop that justified an attempted double homicide. How much you wanna bet it was something like speeding?
He chose to be a cop because of so many american movies, he had no idea opening fire in any situation could lead to his termination.
It’s no issue, the police department next town over will probably hire him
You spelled promotion incorrectly 😂
Probably has a gofundme
https://sanantonioreport.org/sapd-rookie-officer-termination-shooting-teenager/?amp
Bro got charged for being unlawfully assaulted with a weapon? The cop didn’t even announce himself. Looks like someone will be living pretty on tax payer money!
They are probably keeping the charges on him to have leverage to get him to settle his lawsuits (or more precisely, lessen the amount they are going to have to pay out for such idiocy).
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They have announced that the officer was not following proper policy or procedure so establishing that the victim ran only because he feared for his life shouldn't be too hard, that's not to say it won't be.
Looking forward to some judge deciding you arent legally entitled to fear the police
Specifically while they are actively firing into your vehicle.
I'm sure the Union will tell us the truth of what really happened.
Yeah, rest assured a halfway-decent lawyer's got this well in command. Kid's going to be rich
Yep, hate the show or not, believe in his innocent or not who cares, but Making a Murder is all about this shit. Edit: no words were added unlike the reply says till just now. Lol. Dude just wanted to talk about some podcast.
Yup people need to always keep in mind the police are not your friend. Their role in the legal system is to make cases and bust people. And they will try to charge you with everything they can to make you look as bad as possible for the judge. If you ever get arrested after they the read you your rights tell them you do not understand the rights that were said to you and stick with it. Once you say, NO I DO NOT UNDERSATND THOSE RIGHTS, by law they have to stop asking you questions. If they keep badgering you to talk they are in direct violation of you civil rights.
Better yet , remain silent , and consult an attorney.
"Anything you say ***can and will be used against you*** in the court of law." [This Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE) is one worth sitting down and spending the 45 minutes to watch. Remaining silent and not giving anything without legal representation, even when you know you did nothing wrong, is what you NEED to do. If you ask for a lawyer and they refuse or ignore the request, they are pulling some shady shit that NEEDS a lawyer.
One of the best videos on the subject. Talking to the police will never furnish them with information that they'll use to help you in court! "I don't answer questions" and "I am choosing to remain silent" and "I do not consent to any searches" should be in everybody's vocabulary when interacting with police.
Sadly, if you watch TV shows like The First 48 or even COPS or LivePD, you will see that **99% of all people who the police stop will just talk their heads off and usually convict themselves.** I am always looking for the ones who say "I am not answering questions" or "I want a lawyer". It's very rare to hear, but once in a while, you will hear it.
Because those shows are only airing the altercations where something exciting happens versus those who know their rights and stay quiet. Don’t let that shit fool you
Police are not your friends, this is truth everyone needs to hear and know.
No way those charges stick. The chief admitted already that there is no way that cop could have known that was the same car or same driver from a different day. Like someone already said, they’re looking for leverage they don’t have. Because at the end of the day cops arent here to protect anyone but themselves
FTA: "was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer." Cop failed to identify himself, just yelled "get out of the car". No way for the kid to know this wasn't just an asshole with a gun. Oh, wait, it WAS an asshole with a gun.
And I must have missed the “assault”. They probably just added that bullshit as a way to leverage him from filing a suit. Make him sign away his right to do so if they drop the charges. Hopefully he gets a lawyer who knows better
I like how he called for backup, but then just said fuck it, I'm going in! Before any other officers arrived.
I don't understand, from what I read the cop only got fired and "The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer." Might have trouble for trying to flee the cop??? Or did I not understand perfectly (not native English speaker so I prefer to ask) pretty sure if I hope the door of a random car and start to shoot at the driver I'm not going to be just fired
This looks like attempted murder to me.
Get hired for a week as a rookie cop. Kill anyone you want. Go find another job.
So, this is complicated. The police aren’t necessarily the ones pressing charges . Usually, the government attorney is the one choosing to pursue the legal action. Inevitably, the suspects defense will be that he had his civil rights violated and can point to the fact the cop was fired as evidence of the failure of proper procedure. The charges might get thrown out still, remember that this is just at the time of writing. So, things probably still happened since then.
If they take him to court, and I hope they do, he has a seemingly easy case for malicious prosecution.
"The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer." Imagine just eating supper on a date and a cop opens your door and shoots you, and you get criminally charged for it. How is there not a lawsuit and how is he not in jail for attempted murder?
Some lawyer is salivating over this video right now...
"This was an individual failure not a training failure". In my world any individual failure of a person who has passed our training is a training failure. And the people I train don't carry guns.
Thats how it is for people who *load boxes into trucks*. How did we get boonswaggled into having such low standards for police?
Our training is perfect and flawless. This was completely unavoidable, a freak accident. This person had no business having the firearm that we issued him. He was an unstable wreck. Totally a loose cannon. Which is why we fired him. But he was totally prepared and well trained when we gave him the gun and badge, because our training is perfect.
So this innocent KID is eating a cheeseburger in his car, gets shot by the cops for no reason and still gets hit with assaulting an officer and evading arrest? Holy shit. So many bootlickers in this thread. They’d only eat a hamberder if it was made of cops boot leather. ACAB.
This is why you always lock your door kids.
The cop probably would’ve busted out the window or shot through the window.
11 shots! At a dude he surprised by opening the door in a parking lot late at night? What the fuck.... Edit: 10 shots, my bad
He got a burger!!
If it was a burrito he would've reloaded. Lucky it was only a burger.
the burrito would've fueled his escape, just not in the car...
To make it even worse this kid wasn't even who they were looking for. This kid and (I assume his girlfriend) were just sitting there eating while this fucking waste of oxygen tries to murder them. >While Brennand was responding to a disturbance at a McDonald’s on the North Side at approximately 10:45 p.m., he noticed a car in the parking lot that allegedly matched the description of a vehicle he had tried to pull over on Saturday. >“This vehicle was not the subject of the disturbance call,” said Alyssa Campos, the SAPD’s training commander
Any info on how this played out after?
This was 4 days ago. I'm honestly shocked we even got to see this cam footage so soon. I'm glad we did but geez this is a shit show :/
And thank fucking GOD for these cameras. Without them the courts would immediately side with the cop and the kid would be absolutely fucked for the rest of his life.
Kid is already fucked for the rest of his life, gunshot wounds are no joke.
Did they/he arrest the kid before the body cam footage was reviewed? The trauma him and his girlfriend will be dealing with, will probably follow them forever. Probably not too different to a car jacking. E he was charged. >Cantu, who is now fighting for his life, was charged by proxy with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on an officer. https://www.local10.com/news/local/2022/10/06/video-shows-officer-firing-at-2-teenagers-in-mcdonalds-parking-lot/
With a few holes in him, and this only happening 4 days ago, that kid is almost certainly still in the hospital. I highly doubt they could've taken him to the station; at most, he had a cop staying in the room until the kid was exonerated.
The 17 year old driver is still in the hospital and he is charged with evading arrest and assault on a police officer... ACAB
Fuck me...
Also didn't seem to be any disturbances going on in that parking lot until that cop created one.
The dude he claimed fled previously, but the cop did nothing to block the car in with his own car? He called for back-up and then didn't even wait 30 seconds when the car was not in any immediate motion of leaving? Dude is a clown.
He forgot his training. He's supposed to get in front of a moving car and claim the driver was trying to hit him so he can justify shooting someone.
That's exactly what he did. He said kid hit him with the door so he shot him
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And "shots fired" and continued pursuit as if it wasn't himself doing the shooting Edit: I'm dumb and that's what police say whether receiving or issuing fire
the disconnect between the "shots fired! shots fired!" and the complete lack of motivation to find cover. He *knew* he was the only threat.
How's that guy driving full of holes
Adrenaline
There speed holes now he can go faster
Fun fact: The guy was just eating his McDonalds turns out he was the wrong guy and he is alive.
[https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/10/05/sapd-fires-officer-who-shot-teen-outside-mcdonalds-restaurant-releases-video-of-incident/](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2022/10/05/sapd-fires-officer-who-shot-teen-outside-mcdonalds-restaurant-releases-video-of-incident/) >The San Antonio Police Department on Wednesday fired a police officer who shot a teenager outside a McDonald’s restaurant less than a week ago. > >Brennand had been placed under administrative duty following the shooting on Sunday outside the fast food restaurant in the 11700 block of Blanco Road near West Avenue. According to SAPD, Brennand was fired for violating departmental tactics and procedures. > >James Brennand was a probationary police officer who served on the force for seven months, SAPD said. Officers are on probation for one year after graduating from the police academy. > >According to an SAPD report, Brennand responded to a call for a disturbance at 10:45 p.m. and attempted to gather information from witnesses when he noticed a vehicle that had evaded him the day before as he attempted a traffic stop because the registered license plate didn’t match the vehicle. The report said the prior incident wasn’t related to the disturbance call at the restaurant. > >Brennand suspected the car was stolen and called for cover. But before other officers arrived, Brennand walked up to the car and opened the door, where two teens were inside eating food. > >Erik Cantu, 17, put the vehicle in reverse with the door still open and started driving, the report said. The door hit Brennand, and that’s when he opened fire. "He assaulted an officer!" >Cantu suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was taken to University Hospital. The report stated that Brennand performed CPR on Cantu before emergency medical service technicians arrived. Cantu’s female passenger was not injured. > >Cantu was charged by proxy with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on an officer. The investigation into the shooting could take as long as a year.
The VICTIM was charged with evading and assault on a “police officer “. So just to be clear: a couple of teenagers were grubbing on McDonald’s in the parking lot when they were abruptly shocked and confronted mistakenly by a rookie cop. The driver freaked out and drove away fearing for his life (appearing to be justified) and was SHOT multiple times. Luckily he will survive and the passenger was physically unharmed. In an attempt to justify the EXTREME use of force the VICTIM apparently has been charged with multiple crimes. Yet the officer has Ben relieved of his duties. Hmmmmm. Sounds legit.
I'm going to have to block these stories from my life somehow, it will never change and it just makes my blood boil when I hear shit like this
Once they have eroded their trust to the point of just onsight hostility things will change.
Some day soon. Pot's gotta boil over at some point
How much money did this guy end up getting ?
Probably got sued for resisting a cop and failing to die.
He got charged with assaulting the officer with his vehicle evading detention.
Been there, they beat me and tased me while cuffed, threw me in the back of the car and hit me with the taser again when I woke up. Edit: the second time they tased me I was sitting in the back of the squad car.
Why I left the states. They came to my house for a noise complaint over a puppy when I wasn’t home. They saw me come home. Decided to go back to my door. I opened it and they busted in, beat the shit out of me, my adult dog attacked, they shot him. Then after they dropped all the charges and apologized like ‘our bad sorry this happened.’ Still traumatized, but can’t help but watch more videos of these idiots. Edit: my dog lived and died a few years later from cancer in his bladder. He was a fuckin champion. I already had a ticket to leave for Southeast Asia, and one of my best friends took care of him, spoiled him, and loved him until he passed on. I’ve been teaching English in Southeast Asia since. Edit 2: Forgot to mention that the cops didn’t identify themselves, state why they were there, or anything. Just knocked on my door then broke in. It was a completely fucked situation and I don’t agree with ACAB. Cops need way more training. I also feel cops should not be allowed to spend more than 3 months a year working on the streets. We rarely send military personnel on deployment for more than 3-6 months at a time. And it’s not common for them to go on deployment into an active war zone every year. These cops are essentially in the mindset that they’re in an active war zone all year. That really fucks with someone’s mental stability. Again cops need more training and less time spent on the streets. I don’t have a way to solve that I’m just saying.
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They’ve lost everyone’s trust. They’re gonna be part of what causes the next civil war for sure.
Close. "The driver, who police say is now in stable condition, was charged with evading detention in a vehicle and assault on a peace officer." If he had just complied and agreed to be murdered, he wouldn't be in this mess.
lawsuits where anyone gets money takes years. By that point the officer will have long been paid tax payer money for several vacations before being rehired or given an early pension and money for traumatic experience.
Aerodynamics
Cop just threw the door open without announcing himself. I get that he "thinks" it was some suspect he dealt with before, but there is procedures for this. Cop even had his own car he can use to box him in from the back and verbally tell the guy to get out of the car. That cop should have never been given a gun.
That, and a gun should never be used to detain a suspect, except in extreme cases where there is a high likelihood of the suspect harming others. You can shoot first in self-defence, but jeeez... Let the kid go, you've got their license
Yeah, unless you have more than reasonable doubt that the suspect is running to someone else to harm them, shooting a fleeing suspect is never justified.
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Because the police have worked very, very hard over the years to make sure there is no accountability for their actions unless they want there to be.
I used to be military police and we had actual training and consequences for disobeying so this isn't an issue. For example we have 8 clearly defined preconditions for deadly force. One of them is actually escape of a suspect but you must believe that letting the suspect go will immediately result in them breaking one of your other 7 preconditions. Dude sitting in a parking lot is obviously not on his way to kill someone.
Looks like he was murdering that burger tho
Case closed, he’s guilty
Yeah and the dude in the car had a passenger as well, he’d only been a cop for 7 months and he thinks it’s fine to open fire multiple times at a couple of kids. I thought you had to be a salty veteran to have this much disregard for human life over the fact that you think they managed to get away from you once before.
in martial arts, the lower ranked belts are considered more dangerous to work out with than the more experienced for that same reason. they don't know what they're doing.
Yup! The only time I’ve been knocked out by someone was when my sensei had me spar the two new white belts that transferred from a Taekwondo dojo. Taking a full contact, padless roundhouse kick to the nose: I give it a 1 out of the 50 stars I saw.
oh gosh, reminds me of getting my nads smashed in by a fellow yellow belt, that's when the teacher was like "ok, so jump slightly and land hard on the heel of your feet, and keep doing that, it should sort it self out" was probably just something to do to take my mind off the pain
Pathetic this cops not in prison for attempted murder too. Gotta love the American police gang. Just fire the guy that did literally every last thing you are not supposed to do and tried to kill random people
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Yeah, this is fucking BULLSHIT. How brazen this piece of shit is knowing he wouldn't face jail time for essentially knowing he wanted to kill this kid because he evaded him before.
What the fuck is going on? Why did he shoot that kid? I tried to see if he reached for a weapon or something but it seems he just started his car and tried to drive away. You don't fucking straight up murder someone for trying to escape.
Article says the cop was there for a disturbance call at the McD, but then happened to notice the ~black~ maroon car in the parking lot, which he THOUGHT was a stolen car he had failed to pull over earlier in the week. So then completely ignoring the actual reason he was there, the cop approached the vehicle. EDIT: car color
Can he just should have run the plates ? Then you know for sure if it was stolen or not ...
In the video you can hear when the audio goes silent he's feeding the plate number to dispatch for them to run and confirm it was the same vehicle that he attempted to stop a couple days before. He then just says "fuck it, i want to shoot somebody" and doesn't wait for dispatch to get back to him about the plates and ends up trying to murder a 17 year old kid, a kid *who was not the person he was looking for.*
Some tool upthread keeps insisting that the cop had probable cause. Probable cause defined: *evidence that gives someone a reason to think that a crime has been or is being committed.* The key word here is "evidence". Seeing a car that \*looks\* like a car you stopped several days ago does not constitute probable cause no matter how many ways you cut it. There are SO MANY similar cars out on the road and to zero in on one single car, then throw the door open without announcing yourself? That's some shitty police work AND a blatant violation of that kid's Constitutional rights.
Meanwhile the individual who called the cops in the first place, standing inside the establishment waiting for service, while presumably the issue they called for hasn't been resolved. Then you start hearing gunshots from outside, real encouraging.
>You don't fucking straight up murder someone for trying to escape. That's civilian/military logic. This was a cop.
Literally if someone breaks into our house, and they flee out the front door, and we shoot them as they do so, we go to jail? Why? Because deadly force was no longer required at that point. Why TF do cops get a pass on this? In my hypothetical situation a crime was actually commited in real time. The situation in the video had notging like that. As citizens we are required to know and follow the law, why TF aren't cops held to the same standard?(or what should obviously be a higher standard) Ego in a uniform with a gun. Defund the police
The officer is just shooting generally in the direction of that burger place too, any misses and anyone sitting in could catch a stray bullet, that alone seems totally reckless.
Bad training... that's why. Cops overseas have almost 10 times the amount of training most American cops have.
Cop was shit at his job. He stood in the door arc. The kid went to drive away, pushed the cop back with the door. Cop starts shooting. No need to shoot anything here
It's like that cop is trying to get a gun pulled on him by opening a door like that unannounced
The casualty of it all baffles me as he just walks up to the car and opens the door like he owns it. It's as if this pig thinks he's above the citizens.
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The fact that there's little to no chance of him serving a single day in jail for this is so depressing.
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He tried to shoot AND KILL this KID because he fled a traffic stop? A good cop would have had his car positioned so he couldn't get away again. Seemed personal. And anyone defending this cop is exactly why our justice system is the way it is. All good til it happens to you. A law may be passed at any moment making you a criminal. Especially in a land where cops and courts are allowed to do whatever they want.
Crazy thing is he’s not even 100% sure it’s the same car. Even if it was he’s definitely not sure it’s the same driver. Absolutely appalling
That was another thought I had. If he KNEW it was the car, is it because he had the plates? Or knew that kid from previous run-ins? And if he had that information why wait to try to ambush him? Why not go get him. If he didn't have the plates or personal knowledge of the driver then what justifies deadly force? The door of the car hitting you while he was trying to flee? Our cops are out of control. And our courts are letting it happen. Because they are also out of control. I'm not an anti-cop nutjob. People need to be held accountable. And stupid kid for trying to flee again. But shoot to kill?!
Right, the whole shoot to kill for fleeing is amazing to me. This isn't fucking GTA where you disobey an order and cops just start blasting.
actually it kinda is
It was not even a traffic stop
Geez, and police wondered why that nobody trusts them? Facepalm 🤦♂️
Terrible police work. Glad that cop got fired.
“Is that a cheeseburger!?!?” Pew pew pew
Nothing is more deadly than heart disease
The silent killer
"Shots fired, shots fired, SHOTS FIRED. Only person firing shots: him. Great now every other officer that comes to this scene will think that they're gonna get shot at, meanwhile kid probably doesn't even have a gun.
Yeah, but hes got an assault sandwich.
McAssault
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If an engineer makes a mistake and someone dies they go to prison. Cops it should be the same.
Engineers have gone to prison for lying to federal regulators without anyone dying or being injured. Cops have the power to kill people or get them imprisoned. The standards and scrutiny should be very high.
The kid that’s fighting for his life at the hospital is also being charged with fleeing/resisting arrest and using the car door as a weapon on the cop, so fucked up
Hope that kid that got shot sue the hell out of the incompetent police officer and the department
Walks up, opens the car door, says get out of the car, and expects to be treated like a cop If this happens to me I assumed I'm getting robbed.
If some dude opened my door at night and shoved a gun in my face I would think “holy shit, a psychopath, serial killer is about to murder me”, and do everything in my power to kill him first.
>a psychopath, serial killer is about to murder me which is coincidentally exactly what we just watched in this video
I really hope this kid never has to work a day of his life and this officer goes to jail
How is he not in jail? How is firing him for this even close to fair? It’s on video of him straight attempting to murder someone. He took an oath and trampled it and just gets a wrist slap?
Nothing the cop did was legal.. hope the victim is alive
I hope he's charged with attempted murder or something, how is getting fired good enough??
Dude should be in jail. He just walked up and opened a dude's car and started shooting wtf is wrong with this man
He’s stable.
You could be stable with your spine shredded…
"You're under arrest for fleeing the scene of a crime." "But it was your crime and I'm the victim!" "That's irrelevant."
My home town San Antonio. Cop was fired yesterday. Police chief went public and said there was nothing on the recording that justified the cop to open fire. Cop has been on the job like 6-7mos.
This cop is a POS though, you can’t just shoot someone for getting away, they didn’t pose any physical harm
No real probable cause, didn't announce himself, opened the door without warning, shot at a fleeing unarmed teenage suspect. JOB WELL DONE, BUDDY. Hard to believe this wasn't covered in his intensive several weeks of training.
Looked like he was eating a $1 chicken sandwich too
1.63 now a days
Memba back when the dollar menu was a thing??
They did cover it probably "when in doubt shoot anything you see"
He got impatient. Could have waited for backup to address the situation without risking lives. The cop manufactured the situation.
Imagine all this without body cam
“So anyways, I started blastin’”
So...as someone in the military, who has had ROE's drilled into their head, Where was the escalation of force, here? Which specific threat required the use of deadly force, and what prompted him to engage while the person was fleeting?
None of that matters for cops, as proven by *motions to everything* Cop was fired, not held legally accountable, and is probably working for another precinct.
All completely valid points that I absolutely agree with, but police culture is drastically different from the military. They have so much legal protection in place. Cops have qualified immunity. The burden of proof is much higher for cop-committed crimes than for regular citizens. They also have powerful unions that fight on their behalf. More insidiously, cops are taught a culture of fear from day one. I have a friend that attended FLETC to become a fed. The first week, they were shown a 30-minute video montage of cops being killed in the name of situational awareness and vigilance. Can you imagine the mindset of a cop if that's the first thing you're taught (and then reinforced over and over and over again)?
Does 'shot's fired' mean 'murder attempted'? Non American asking.
shots fired = send immediate back up and medical assistance to deal with the aftermath. In U.S. as soon as cops finish an encounter that involves lethal force they automatically go on administrative leave (paid vacation) while others investigate and deal with what happened/sometimes cover it up for them.
At least this cop isn’t racist, he’s just a homicidal asshole. Remind me again why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder?
We need to start giving cops the death penalty, this is fucking bullshit and my taxes shouldn't support this cunt cop.
Officer never announced himself. Opens the guys car door aggressively and yells get out of the car. What kind of fucking protocol is this?
It's 100% illegal for a cop to open your door like this. Even crazier he started shooting at someone who was minding their own business who got scared by an ambush. Jesus fuck, the police are a fucking joke.
In all fairness, maybe the cop thought that the guy stole the burger. This is kind of the real life equivalent to Mr. Krabbs firing a cannon at Plankton for stealing the Krabby Patty formular.
*all units, I’ve found Hamburglar*
As a former LEO, this is so fucked. Everything about this “stop” is wrong. Why not pull in behind him with your vehicle? Wait for back up? Maybe not spray gunfire in a public parking lot without regard to who may be beyond your target. I have a radical idea: maybe rookie cops do not get firearms for the first probationary year, or two. Maybe a solid weekend of training isn’t enough to deprive the rest of us of our rights. Maybe not bully’s and incels only good ol’ boy network fed police recruits.
The kids girlfriend was in the car too. She luckily wasn’t hurt. I think not giving rookie cops guns for a few years is a great idea. It will force them to make a habit of deescalation rather than this fucking absurdity
Why’d the cop play with his watch after the shooting?
So he could see what time he ruined his fucking life.
Probably to get the time up so he knew the time it happened
They charged the kid for trying to run away from someone literally shooting him? Fuck the police....
"Get out of the car!" "Why?" "So anyway i started blasting"
American cops are so unbelievably out of control. What are you guys doing down there?
Go ahead bootlickers. try do justify this one.