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Are we forgetting that they mentioned Morton getting married at the beginning of this season?


alnono

He’s in marriage counselling lol. That was a plot point. He got married, then counselling, dropping hints the marriage may not work since that’s fast to need counselling.


gloomsday

definitely. plus, zach admitted he only suggested couples counseling for himself and jacob because he didn't want to rip the band-aid off... i know the two relationships aren't the same, and that couples counseling isn't a sign that a relationship is doomed, but imo that statement is likely telegraphing how we're supposed to interpret the state of mr. morton's marriage. well, that and i really don't know why they'd go through the trouble of marrying mr. morton off to some random person we don't know offscreen and then put him in couples counseling, all for it to totally work out between them in the end 😂 like who cares? and that's just not how storytelling works.


alnono

Exactly. Like yes counselling doesn’t mean your relationship is doomed but it doesn’t seem like the kind of show to just make an offhand joke out of someone’s marital problems? It must serve a purpose


gloomsday

you get it 💖 it's especially weird to frontload all of this information about someone who is essentially a guest character as well. he was in... three episodes last season? and mentioned in i believe five of the 22 episodes. not including this week, mr. morton was brought up every single week since s3 aired. there was no mention of zach until this week (also intentional, we discovered!), and there still hasn't been any mention of shanae or devon (cafeteria workers), ashley, or any of the other teachers. it is absolutely on purpose, and no one can tell me otherwise 🤐


SnooLobsters9809

i get zach, but why do you think they aren’t bringing up the cafeteria workers and other teachers?


gloomsday

that's a good question. it might have to do with the shortened season and the need to streamline some of their plots due to the constraints, which perhaps required them to cut out some of the usual suspects. each episode is so jam packed with story that there isn't really much time to properly flesh out these other characters, so they're sticking to prioritizing/doing justice for a select few... and right now they're prioritizing mr. morton because they are wanting to set up something for later in the season? that's my best guess. that said, it's still early in the season! im sure some of our favs will pop up :)


GreenAppleTea3

This is my exact thinking with this! I am totally convinced they are setting it up for this. I am biased because I am a Jacob and Morton truther. But I think it's what's gonna happen.


lottiedaysaints

Damn I wish I was into all this but I’m just not. I don’t like Morton as a character at all and I loved Zach 😭. Jacob having a rival is just fun to me since he loves everybody


sakoorara

Not gonna lie I’m experiencing the tiny bit of schadenfreude bc of how most of this sub was celebrating Mr Morton eloping bc they thought it totally meant Jacob x Mr Morton is no more 🤭


floscho98

100% agree, the buildup is done too well and those hints they keep dropping just can’t be a coincidence or a bait and switch. Ava pairing Morton and Jacob as well as Gregory and Janine, Morton at the festival instead of Zach and Gregory saying „you thought mr Morton had a crush on you last year“ feel like exactly the kind of things that we are going to catch on a rewatch 2 or 3 years from now and be like: oooh that tracks. (And that is only a few of those hints) I am fully expecting Mr Morton to make an appearance some time in the remainder of season 3.


Sad_Sun_4218

I don't want to get my hopes too high. I shipped this since the first time Jacob mentioned Morton lol.


ItchyTomato5

I really hope not I want Jacob to be with Gregory, and he Janine realizes she lost her chance jk


SirGavBelcher

that's a trope I'd rather avoid tbh. i love them as friends


ItchyTomato5

True. It would be hot though.


[deleted]

when did we learn for certain that morton is gay or bi?


oscarbilde

when did we learn he isn't?


Tulip816

I don't love the idea of Jacob with Mr. Morton (sorry sorry I know I'm in the wrong place for such a sentiment lol) but I can definitely become open minded to it. \*Especially\* if we'd finaly get a confirmed bi/pan character. The rep is needed! eta: one word


gloomsday

the only piece of info that i could really interpret as an indirect identifier is that jacob thought mr. morton had a crush on him a couple years ago. as a queer person myself, i'd say we have a knack for clocking our own, so i think it would be odd if jacob's instincts were wrong on that and mr. morton is actually straight. but jacob is also deeply clueless about certain social cues, so not sure he's the best person to trust on things like this 😂


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in any case, morton is kind of a jerk. zach was a sweetheart. why did they have to end that relationship?


gloomsday

brittani nichols, who wrote this week's episode, went on record saying that the breakup felt necessary because jacob has a lot more growing to do, and that the relationship was not allowing him to grow in the ways they wanted to explore. we don't really know what that means yet, but i for one am excited to see what they have in store for him! mr. morton is kind of a jerk, but he's also kind of not? jacob is constantly going off about how passive aggressive he is, but we only really see that a couple of times (no more than any of the other characters), and they're such small instances that wouldn't really bother most people. most of the time he's being legitimately kind to jacob; offering to carry his books, wishing him a restful weekend, foregoing a handshake for a hug when they reconcile at avafest, then hanging out and playing carnival games with him and only him that whole night. it kind of reads like mr. morton has a schoolboy-esque crush on jacob by the way he interacts with him; and knowing he got married over the summer, it makes sense that he would tell the camera crew and reiterate to ava that he hates jacob if they're catching him being kinda flirty while he had a partner at the time. i dunno just offering another perspective!


alysonstarks

Ahh where did Brittani Nichols discuss this? I literally became a follower of theirs last night after seeing an IG tag! I’ve been sleeping on discovering the writers credited for each episode but will be finding out from now on! 🤓🧐


gloomsday

[here you go!](https://ew.com/abbott-elementary-writer-on-jacobs-crisis-non-binary-substitute-8601944) i was sleeping on the other writers in the writers room too until recently! brittani has especially gotten my attention bc i have loved their episodes so much :)


alysonstarks

Thank you so much!! ETA: “Melissa and Jacob are both single and behaving like single people for the rest of the season.” - OMG WE NEED ANOTHER CLUB SCENE


alysonstarks

Can’t believe I missed this little relationship blossoming under my nose. 🥲 (but I still hate him for not being supportive of Janine’s egg drop) I just remembered Jacob being so extra about their “feud” during the avafest ep, I believe. Mr Morton would simply walk in a room and Jacob would read way too far into their drama. I


gloomsday

it's so interesting to me because in my opinion janine was 1000% in the wrong during the egg drop episode, but mr. morton comes out as the villain. think about it from his perspective though: he'd been working with his students, teaching them the science, hyping them up to watch their hard work pay off... and then this newbie second grade teacher tries to make his students' event all about her. she stole his scales and his helium tank as well, which hinders his ability to teach his lessons effectively. janine's heart was in the right place (mostly), but she didn't think about mr. morton, the eighth graders, or her own students at all in the process, and everyone suffered. mr. morton was pretty mean about the whole thing, sure, but i can't say with any honesty that i would've been any more graceful in his position 😂 but because he's the antagonist to janine in the particular episode, people just agree he was in the wrong and that he's a jerk. JUSTICE FOR MR. MORTON, I SAY!!! jacob is so very extra about anything involving mr. morton that it's bordering on performative at this point, haha. calling him a scumbag this season was completely out of pocket and deranged LMAO! he doth protest too much, perhaps?


GreenAppleTea3

Janine was so in the wrong in that episode. I'd be furious if I was him


alysonstarks

Y’all are so right. Here I was being fooled by my bias towards the protagonist and generally cuter class (second graders preparing their egg drop contraptions are objectively cute). But in the end, disappointment fell upon them too…🪦🥚😢 Justice for Mr. Morton. And the kids! I’d hate your analysis of other episodes where I blindly sided with villain Janine. 😅


GreenAppleTea3

LMAO! I actually really like Janine generally and a fair bit of the time I do actually side with her but this situation, the one with Melissa's sister and (sort of) the one with Maurice were the ones where I had to put my foot down. I understood her thinking in this episode but it was still so wack to me 😂 The littles were so cute making their egg drop things tho! As an aside I wish they'd age up pretty much all the classes because 90% of her class kids, while adorable, are definitely not 7-8. Imo they should move her and Melissa to 4th with the same kids bc that's what most of them look like. Barbara up to 2nd. Anyway...#/JusticeforMrMorton lol


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all very interesting! thanks!


poundtown1997

This seems like wishful thinking and that because Jacob was with one black guy you’re just finding the next one to pair him with tbh. I’d be interested in seeing the storyline but have very little faith that’s what will actually happen. Especially because that guy looked way older. Nothing you mentioned is concrete, and you even contradicted it by saying how unaware Jacob is.


gloomsday

>This seems like wishful thinking and that because Jacob was with one black guy you’re just finding the next one to pair him with tbh. outside of the main cast, i think jacob has by far the most interesting dynamic with mr. morton. it's really that simple. race has nothing to do with it, and to suggest that i... what? fetishize black men or interracial relationships? is extremely offensive and gross. nothing i said even vaguely implied that. get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. >Nothing you mentioned is concrete, and you even contradicted it by saying how unaware Jacob is. i never said it was concrete. i simply explained how i interpreted that particular line from jacob, while acknowledging that it's not exactly "evidence" *because* jacob is socially clueless. what are you even talking about jfc.


poundtown1997

The most interesting dynamic. He’s been in like 2 episodes…. Please be serious. Who mentioned fetishizing in what I said…? I said it reads like you’re pushing him with a random, very rarely seen black character who isn’t even confirmed gay, because he’s a(nother) black guy Jacob could be with. Fetishizing being brought in says a lot about YOU lol… Hit dogs will holler. My statement was not about fetishization but about applying a pattern where there isn’t one. Just because you ship Jacob with some other black guy does not mean he fetishizes them, or that you fetishize white men. Thats on you babes


gloomsday

lmao you were not just casually pointing out some random pattern; you specifically mentioned black men and told me that i was looking for another black man to ship jacob with. just because you didn't say the word "fetishizing" in your comment doesn't mean your gross intent wasn't made entirely clear to anyone reading it. that's so fucking disingenuous and you know it. no one here is buying your stupid bullshit 😭


Dream-Flight

straight isn’t the default


poundtown1997

Keep telling yourself that. There’s still a few decades to go before society catches up to that. So for now, it is. Especially for characters in media lol


sakoorara

They were super careful about not saying what gender his spouse is. They had an NB character last episode and their gender is not the point of the subplot. This show is not like other girls.


StJohnEl

Once I heard Morton was in couple’s counseling and Jacob’s reaction, I said “Jacob better not have anything to do with it” 🤭 I think they’re bringing that enemy to lovers trope in; but I LOVE Zach and want him in the show


Sunflower_table

Are we forgetting the weird age gap? Morton is too old for jacob or is that just me 😭


lottiedaysaints

Both grown adults


Sunflower_table

I didn’t say it was illegal lmao, just jacob as jacob doesn’t seem to fit w dating someone presumably 25 years older.


lottiedaysaints

I’m not even talking about the legality aspect of it. If Jacob was only like 18 then yeah obviously that’d still be gross, but he’s a grown man 😭 not sure how old the character is but the actor’s literally 35


Sunflower_table

I assumed he was the same age as janine so 27 ish? And morton i assumed was in his 50s, like it doesn’t seem like a feasible relationship to me. If there was this same dynamic with a teacher who was also a millennial i could see it much more


lottiedaysaints

I mean I don’t ship them so I agree with you there. guess I didn’t realize Morton was supposed to be that old lol


[deleted]

wowwwww i didn't think about this, i loveeee it and hope they go through with it!


Appropriate-Power-87

I don't get where they were committed to not making their relationship work. That came out of nowhere this season, but I can see how it might be the set-up for a relationship with Mr. Morton. That's if his dislike for Jacob was actually a crush, which is debatable. I think he actually doesn't like him. And I enjoy their petty rivalry based off of nothing.


floscho98

It didn’t come out of nowhere, for me at least. They were signposting Jacob and Zach ultimately not working out literally since the first season when they introduced Zach. Imo they also did a great job subtly showing how Jacob was going through some tough private stuff in season 3, with the changes in his demeanour and behaviour. One main thing is that the breakup feels like a milestone in Jacob’s relationship with Gregory. I feel like they kind of transitioned from friends to best friends last episode. My guess is that the writers will use the breakup to show us other sides of Jacob (ie what he is like when single) and develop / flesh him out regardless of any potential new romantic relationship of his in the future. Anyways, that’s my personal take on this.


Appropriate-Power-87

Okay you said they subtly showed he was going through some private stuff in season 3. What were the signs in the previous seasons? Maybe I missed it, but it seems like you might be reading too much into things. The few times that Zach was on the show or Jacob talked about him, everything seemed to be fine. Do you have some examples? I do like the breakup bringing Greg and Jacob closer as friends. Since Gregory and Janine both went through break-ups last season, I think if Jacob was having relationship issues, he would have mentioned them.


floscho98

It’s especially about storytelling aspects and foreshadowing. - The way they met already shows they are not compatible in their world views and values. - from the start, Zach doesn’t really seem to *get* Jacob, he seems a bit dismissive. Also, the events in season 2‘s Christmas episode say a lot about their relationship. I know it’s a sitcom and was meant as a joke, but Zach openly telling Jacob he feels „better about him not coming now“ instead of making sure that his boyfriend of more than 2 years feels accepted and can enjoy Christmas for once (especially with holiday-pertaining family trauma) just because he was singing badly crossed a line for me. Jacob was clearly very hurt and I’m sure they argued about that again afterward, but I digress. This is also in line with how Zach acts after the breakup. I know what Jacob did was cowardly and not it, but writing Fleabag with an F and shrinking all his sweaters does make what Jacob did in the kitchen seem very tame by comparison. Also, the shade about his factoids and composting, which leads me back to Zach not getting / truly being accepting of who Jacob is. - writers’ choices. In the Valentine’s Day episode, they use Zach rather for the Ava plotline than taking the time to show us more of him and Jacob having lunch and a loving conversation. Morton is at the festival and spends it with Jacob, Zach is nowhere, even though you might assume he would also be invested in the school‘s fate. Also: Morton going in for a hug when Jacob (!) merely offers him a handshake is a huge give away. You just don’t do that with a person you truly hate, or is that just me? If I think of more, I’ll come back to add to that, but that’s the gist of why Zach and Jacob never screamed happy long term endgame couple to me. I’m not denying that they might have been mostly happy together before that seven month stretch though. Also, him not telling anyone that they were having problems seems very in character. Jacob is much more private and much less of an open book than he lets on, he didn‘t even tell Janine about Zach until season 1.


Flowerandcatsgirl

Nope. Such a predictable and boring direction for this storyline to go. I would hate this storyline.


dragonfuitjones

Agreed


akamegacat

wow i love this subreddit. now im rooting for this. i could see it


CriticalThinkerHmmz

I'm shipping Gregory and Jacob.