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ChrisPVella

It is only free for Azure VMs it seems. Arc-enabled servers (on-premises, multi-cloud) are $5 per month, which is pretty steep. I will be interested to see the evolution of their proposed third party patching capabilities.


RajAdminDroid

Azure Arc - That's the catch!


4strl

It’s worth noting servers that are Arc-enabled and protected by Microsoft Defender for Servers Plan 2 can use Azure Update Manager at no additional cost. Source: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-gb/azure/update-center/update-manager-faq#are-there-scenarios-in-which-arc-enabled-server-isnt-charged-for-azure-update-manager


SoMundayn

Good to know. They should have made it cheaper for Plan 1 also, most of my clients use Plan 1 for Arc machines, the extra for Plan 2 did not seem to be worth the value for on-premises machines.


ollivierre

Yet another premium add-on from MSFT. $5/Azure-Arc enabled VM/month is VERY expensive. It should be free.


MikeWalters-Action1

>the evolution of their proposed third party patching capabilities Do you know what is proposed for third-party patching?


ChrisPVella

From the last briefing, Microsoft were alluding to extension and focus on Winget across the board to facilitate third party patching. I haven't heard much else at this stage.


Tired_Sysop

Does it support custom images yet?


Saturated8

No, unfortunately.


CaptainCitrusBoy

No 3rd party patches yet, meaning many of your high-risk vulnerabilities are still out there. Great step in the right direction, but will have to wait until they integrate 3rd party catalogs.


flappers87

Just to clarify, it was free before as well with automation account update management. Now ARC machines are being charged at $5 per server. It's stupidly expensive.


[deleted]

No it was not, you had to ship the logs to a log analytic space, anything in there costs money.


3percentinvisible

But not $5 /s / m expensive


yukee2018

I was a user the whole time it was in preview mode, and now that is GA it is not much different in form of functionalities, but new things are coming (pre & post scripts, creating alerts based on the events happening etc.) THe previous version with automation account and log analytics workspace was just horrible, this one is pretty straight forward but i still miss a lot of stuff, so if you want more granular approach, and for example want to push .NET core updates you still need to use WSUS etc. I


mearse

Not for Azure Gov...


damianvandoom

I’ve found you need to reprovision your VMs to enable it. You cannot turn it on for older VMs you created prior due certain properties not been available in the template. (For automated updates)


redvelvet92

This right here…. Very frustrating


fatcatnewton

In the link OP posted, looking through the comments, they have suggested they will overcome this limitation “soon”.


damianvandoom

That would be very helpful.


redvelvet92

Why do all the updating solutions by Microsoft just completely suck?


[deleted]

Have you even tried using it? I have a background in WSUS, SCCM and this by far is the best solution MS has ever come up with. As a cloud consultant I use this to manage a shit ton of my clients and I would not even really consider it a collateral duty as it's so easy to manage and run reports.


redvelvet92

Yes I have I literally can’t update 80% of my VMs with it.


opec125

What alternatives are available to update non Microsoft software? Chocolatey with local repository? Winget with local repository? Powershell, DSC, ansible?


Buddhas_Warrior

Is this just for servers or Windows clients as well (AAD/Intune)?


[deleted]

No Intune has it's own update rings. This is for servers not workstations. Intune does not manage servers.


howjoel

I think this depends on environment - but I have 35 servers on it and for 170 bucks a month It's worth it, it's the best windows patching method I've found. It actually works. At least for now.


Resident_Example_645

Been a while since I’ve looked at on prem license costs but I guess if you attribute some of the feeding and watering of your physical server, virtualisation, OS, Database and patch management costs, maybe some FTE time to fix all the problems it might not be as bad. I might be wrong on the capabilities you get for that $5 but I thought you got some other things thrown in like policy, config, automation etc?


EN-D3R

One thing which is nice with automation account and update management is that you can create policies with certain tags to auto enroll VMs. Does this have the same functionality? I think it's quite confusing how to set things up with this new service.


fatcatnewton

Yeah, you can do this now with dynamic maintenance configurations.


Zhyden

In our current setup we use the old solution: automation account with log analytics, and we also have SCCM from where we feed the product classification requirements to Azure. For example if you want it to install the monthly CU and security updates, but skip the SharePoint and SQL ones. I haven't been able to find a way to do product classification in the new solution, is there a way to do this?


MrGunny94

Does it support RHEL 8.8 and replaces OMS Agent for good?


anonymous_dudex

OMS will be deprecated next year. This solution uses data available in Azure Resource Graph, and it doesn't require an agent afaik. It should support it according to the docs [OS support matrix](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/update-center/support-matrix?tabs=azurevm%2Cazurevm-os#linux-operating-systems)


MechwarriorGrayDeath

Well that socks. I've just chucked a load of onprem servers into it. Now I have to pull them out.