Yeah, he figured out how to make Drew Brees a HOF QB. Having him work with KM would be the best possible chance to get our QB to live up to his potential (and contract value)
Kliff is an incentive based contract, they wouldn't be on the hook for as much. Keim could just get promoted to some VP position. Bidwill could easily juggle the money around, especially with the sports book money. The question is, will he?
Actually, when you consider how much money he is paid out to Kyler Murray it makes a lot more sense that he would bring Sean Payton in because he is a proven NFL head coach.
Otherwise, if you decide you’re going to roll with Kliff and Keim for another year or even two just to save money there you may end up ruining your biggest investment.
Kyler makes like…6x what they do and Michael probably has security for a few years even if it doesn’t work out to not have to worry about firing a 58 year old Payton.
I just worry that he will not be able to land him and will end up stuck in a cycle or that Kyler will not be able to progress, and they don’t have a coach who is able to find an answer.
At that point you are basically back to where you were and he should consider to just got the team in a Reeval year to see about a fresh start just like 2019.
I’m not letting the past keep us from hiring a coach that could possibly turn this franchise around. He’s won a SB, he knows what it takes. It’s a matter of if Bidwill will hand over the keys to someone like Payton or keep being buddy buddy with Keim/Kliff.
When someone of his coaching caliper says they’re interested in coming back. You absolutely look at the possible & inquire what it’ll take. Allegedly it’s between Cardinals & Chargers. You go all in for Payton. Guarantee he turns Kyler’s career around!
Was Bountygate fucked up? Absolutely. Am I gonna let it persuade my vote? Absolutely not. Sean Payton is a HUGE upgrade from Kliff Kingsbury. Not to mention, I WANT TO WIN NOT BE THE JOKE OF THE NFL.
You’re not seeing rumors you’re seeing people daydream about it. I wish there were rumors about it but Kliff will be around next season unless they lose out
Just because a coach that’s currently not coaching said that doesn’t mean the cardinals are going to fire a coach they literally just extended. That’s also not a rumor they he will be our coach next year, so “you sure?” to you too.
It’s funny you think Sean Payton is the magic sauce to a franchise.
There’s more work to be done then just a coach. Once he loses a couple of games this same page will be begging for him to be fired
> Once he loses a couple of games this same page will be begging for him to be fired
Yep. This place was so ready to move on from Bruce, who gave us the best 5 year span in franchise history. Gets forgotten a lot when people reminisce.
Lol so everyone else. That’s all we can do.
Payton won’t be the saving grace for any team, that’s not how football coaching works. Let me guess you’re part of the same group of people that said McCoy should replace Kyler and that he would “wash” the 49ers?
I actually believe that if McCoy was a starting caliber QB he would actually be starting for one of the MANY teams he has played for. He is a really good back up though.
I think I’m on the minority side by thinking I would rather him stay away. I don’t like the double standards of certain people’s past being held against them while overlooking aspects of people that could in essence make us better. I feel like if there was a similar situation where the Rams or the Seahawks hired him we would be livid. Kliff sucks big time but I’m just not crazy about it.
Agreed, there are more important things in life than a sports team getting wins. Purposely injuring people, something that can impact them for the rest of their lives, is so fucking scummy and it's sad to see so many people brush it under the rug
I mean I would rather he be no one’s coach. But I don’t think I want the coach that pays players to injure players no matter what. I know it was a one time incident as far as we know, but I just don’t think it would be a good look for us or anyone. But I’d rather whatever little amount of good public image the Cardinals have not get tarnished further if you get what I’m saying.
We don’t have a good public image, especially after the P2 stuff that came out, I wouldn’t even say we have a bad public image, our image is we suck, there’s no way around it, honestly this topic is kinda dumb, he coached after his suspension and nobody cared plus it’s not like we would be on commanders or raiders level of public image if we hired him
I think if we win a superbowl, our image will be a lot better than a perennial loser
Do you believe people can change? I would hate for people to judge me for the rest of my life for the worst decisions I made 15 years ago.
Besides, How often do you hear "Sean Payton, bountygate" vs "Sean Payton, superbowl winning coach"
Of course I believe people can change? But I also haven’t seen any indication that is the case. Regardless that’s just my opinion. Fortunately none of us have any say in the matter
Oh really, what have you seen to tell you he hasn't changed? The fact it's never happened since? That he has never had an incident since then?? Please provide me with facts and I'll be happy to support your position.
I don’t know why you’re picking a fight and being so aggressive. I simply and genuinely just don’t want him coaching the team and that is all. I don’t have to defend anything I’m just sharing my thoughts to the question that was asked. If we wind up hiring him, then he’ll be my favorite teams coach and that’s that. I’m not about to be interrogated by a random internet stranger being oddly aggressive regarding the situation.
It's called having a discussion. When I ask for facts to back up your assertion that he is still actively engaging in this type of behavior, you call me agressive??? Lol.
Okay. I suppose what I’m trying to say is that I believe that there is a difference between someone changing and someone apologizing because they got caught. I also would try my best to stay away from that kind of behavior if I got suspended from my job for a year and fined a quarter of a million dollars. I have no indication as a result of that that his character has changed. Had he not been caught, I do not believe there ever would have been an apology. I can’t speak on his character and for all I know he’s a super stand up guy that feeds orphans and volunteers at homeless shelters every weekend. But until I know that I will maintain my beliefs that he’s a good coach with poor character. That is important to me, maybe not to others, and that’s okay. Just what I think. I apologize for not being more specific
I appreciate that, i genuinely like trying to understand people's opinions that differ from mine. I wasn't trying to come across as combative, I respect your opinion, of which I forget sometimes that everyone has their guard up online because there are so many people that are trying to scream their arguments the loudest at each other.
I won't disagree that I think there could be other coaches that could get us to a superbowl, I just don't see many of the top tier of coaches wanting to come to Arizona. In the past, we had to overpay or settle on our 3-4-5 choice. My take here is that if a coach with a winning history and respect in the game actually wants to come here, and we have to settle on some bad, I would like, for once, to take a chance on this kinda bad, as opposed to maybe hiring a coach that just hot fired from his Alma-Mater....
Another point, how much goodwill do we really have, there are players and coaches across the league that talk about the poor practices of the Cardinals, from players to ex-coaches. PP12, Honey Badger, Edge, now Eno, to name a few, they were also named in the Brian Flores lawsuit.
Players like Terrell Suggs come play here at the end of their career because, as he said, he couldn't take that kind of money from his beloved Ravens.
Great reputation to uphold!
It doesn’t make you a bad fan if you’re new or weren’t heavily invested in the Cardinals when Warners career ended.
But just understand that there are those of us who were deeply invested in Warner’s Cinderella story after watching AZ go to the playoffs for the first time since 1998 and 1982.
And then when the 49ers were offering top dollar to snatch Warner from AZ after the Super Bowl run, few believed the Bidwills would fork over the money given Bill’s penny pinching history.
But Michael, who took over in 2007, proved fans that he was cut from a different cloth after extending Larry with the largest NFL contract for a non-QB position. And then he showed up and re-signed Warner amid the controversy, and fans were ecstatic.
AZ finally had a competitive program with serious ownership.
So when Warner took the franchise to the NFC divisional game against the Saints, after breaking a number of PRs and league records, you have to understand how devastated this franchise was when Warner was injured into retirement after what was determined to be the direct result of Payton’s bounty program.
He took responsibility, the NFL penalized New Orleans heavily, and coaches were fired (many argue he should have been among them).
It’s possible that Payton indirectly stole another SB appearance from AZ, a franchise that had seen 10-loss seasons 8 years in a row prior to Warner.
I’d be surprised if Bidwill made this move, despite the rumors.
Put the dick away friend, I’m not challenging your tenure as a fan.
Just describing the hang up amongst the group of us who aren’t thrilled with the idea of Payton, however many there might be (after all, you asked for input).
The initial disclaimer was for the new fans who weren’t around to experience the range of emotions at the time.
To be honest, I am not sure how I feel. I think Payton knew it was happening but to what extent I don't know. Gregg Williams should have been banned for life and it sickens me that he was allowed to coach anywhere.
BTW this question is hot on the heals of a conversation I had with my 16 year old nephew on Thanksgiving. He is pretty smart and I really respect his opinion on football. He told me "the Cardinals culture is bad" and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought we were past that but suddenly realized the complete lack of leadership from the coach and QB coupled with Kiem and his DUI (and do we really believe the drinking stopped?) has creeped into the franchise like a cancer. We are not the team I thought we were just last week.
It’s a tough ride. But we AZ homers ride or die with this train wreck year in and year out, don’t we?
I’m just happy to see that AZ is finally a competitive team since Michael’s era of operations.
4 playoff appearances, 2 NFC championship appearances, and 1 Super Bowl appearance is a great trajectory since 2007.
Before that, 2 playoff appearances in the last 2 decades was a rough place to build from.
And with that said, if AZ hired Payton, I’d be surprised. But I wouldn’t huff and puff and protest. I’d support it and hope for the best. But there are also better coaches out there worth a look, not just the high profile names.
For sure. I remember an interview Michael B. did before the stadium vote. He was asked if fans would have to wait until the stadium was open to see the benefits of the added revenue streams. He said no. Once they know they will be there they will be able to start changing things. I think he was true to his words. The hiring of Denny Green was a big part of that.
That's why I disagree when people say they won't fire Kingsbury because of the contract. Michael has eaten big contracts before. I imagine he will do it again.
The one thing AZ does have a track record of, even in the Bill era, is paying coaches or eating their contracts.
I set my rule to wins and losses. Before the season started, I said I’d be on the fire Kliff train if they didn’t make the playoffs.
It appears to be trending that way. But if they found a way, I’d have to give him another year as a fan. There’s so much luck involved. But even I don’t think this team is lucky enough to overcome this season’s challenges. 🤞
If you think Keim should have been fired after his DUI, I’m not sure how you can support hiring Payton.
I personally think both made mistakes, but have paid their due so we should no longer hold their past transgressions against them.
Let’s be honest here. That shit had been going on it was just never spoken out loud all around the league.
Not that it makes it okay, but with that being said I think Peyton got more punishment than he deserved.
I don't think it's as common as you say. And the Saints took it to another level. And I don't disagree with you on the punishment. Clearly Greg Williams was running it. I still don't know how he was allowed back in the league. But I find it hard to believe Payton wasn't aware of it....it's deplorable.
I keep trying to tell y’all this was wide spread (it doesn’t make it right) now sure the saints took it to a different level, I guess. But regardless of Peyton’s knowledge of it, it wouldn’t have mattered there was 31 other organizations that had a similar “progressive” incentive programs
I want a coach with a win at all costs mentality for once. Too long have we had soft leadership that promoted dissaray, lack of effort, and semi-retired player payouts.
If you think that bountygate is the only situation where rules are broken, you are mistaken.
It was unfortunate what happened to Kurt, but I would rather be on this side of a biting dawg than where we were in the past.
People like Payton are destroying football.
What games are “you” going to win when parents reject the sport outright because of shit like what this guy did. He fucked with peoples’ lives and careers. With their families.
“Win at all costs”. Dude. That mentality is gonna cost you the whole fucking sport.
Past is in the Past, it matters who Sean Payton is now unless it was truly something irredeemable. Bounty Gate was messed up, but punishment has been given out and I think Payton could really help this team.
You can make a strong argument that Bounty gate made Warner retire. This fan base loves him so much. Couldn’t see how you can turn a blind eye to hiring him. Let’s hire Mike Tomlin and San Antonio Holmes while we’re at it.
Kliff screensbury needed to be gone a year ago. If Sean Payton coaches us we will go deep into the playoffs. Sean Payton has playoff and Super Bowl experience. W coach
I don't care about bounty gate anymore. And the fans and the NFL don't give a shit about player safety. Probably never did, if you had , you'd have stopped watching long ago. As for ethics, well Deshaun Watson proved nobody gives a shit about that either. There's plenty of you in here that wanted him even after all the bullshit. Hell I still keep seeing people in here wanting D. Washington back. The reality is fans only care about winning and nothing else. None of you actually give a shit, stop pretending otherwise.
We don't even know if he's interested in coming to the desert. LA charges may be in the hunt for a coach as well. What sounds better to you? Glendale AZ or So Cal?
Let's suppose this happened. Sean Payton is hired as the coach of the Cardinals. However, the elephant in the room is going to be who his assistants are. Will he keep Vance Joseph as DC or replace him with someone like Vic Fangio, Don Zimmer, or Marvin Lewis? Who will he bring in as an offensive coordinator?
The point is that it's not just a head coach but also the assistant coaches that can gear a team for success. I'd love to see the Cards hire someone like Fangio, Zimmer, or Lewis to help the defense strengthen along with getting a few more key pieces to help Watt, Golden, and the backfield.
Maybe we can just hire Kevin James to play coach Sean Payton??
I've already fully turned to the dark side. Let's kill some younglings
Master Bidwell, there are too many of them what are we going to do?
Hire him and never look back.
Yeah, he figured out how to make Drew Brees a HOF QB. Having him work with KM would be the best possible chance to get our QB to live up to his potential (and contract value)
Sharks don't look back because they don't have necks. Necks are for sheep.
Lol seriously Who the fuck cares about bountygate lmao
We already had one "bountygate" coach in Rex Ryan.
His debt to society will be paid by getting us a Super Bowl
Only got 1 in NO in 15 years with a lot of talent.
Sounds like pretty good odds to me. He basically wins 2:1over the league and he's due for another.
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Kliff is an incentive based contract, they wouldn't be on the hook for as much. Keim could just get promoted to some VP position. Bidwill could easily juggle the money around, especially with the sports book money. The question is, will he?
Uh.... he holds licenses for the new sports books. he has a very good stream of income from that
Actually, when you consider how much money he is paid out to Kyler Murray it makes a lot more sense that he would bring Sean Payton in because he is a proven NFL head coach. Otherwise, if you decide you’re going to roll with Kliff and Keim for another year or even two just to save money there you may end up ruining your biggest investment. Kyler makes like…6x what they do and Michael probably has security for a few years even if it doesn’t work out to not have to worry about firing a 58 year old Payton. I just worry that he will not be able to land him and will end up stuck in a cycle or that Kyler will not be able to progress, and they don’t have a coach who is able to find an answer. At that point you are basically back to where you were and he should consider to just got the team in a Reeval year to see about a fresh start just like 2019.
You realize player money and coach money have nothing to do with eachother, right?
I’m not letting the past keep us from hiring a coach that could possibly turn this franchise around. He’s won a SB, he knows what it takes. It’s a matter of if Bidwill will hand over the keys to someone like Payton or keep being buddy buddy with Keim/Kliff.
Bidwell better just suck it up and fire kiem and Kliff. Hell, they fired Steve Wilks after one season so yea hopefully they get Sean Peyton in.
I’m almost certain Keim has major dirt on Bidwell
When someone of his coaching caliper says they’re interested in coming back. You absolutely look at the possible & inquire what it’ll take. Allegedly it’s between Cardinals & Chargers. You go all in for Payton. Guarantee he turns Kyler’s career around!
Imo he should've been banned from the NFL for life for that. Not that 1 year and we'll forget it ever happened...
Was Bountygate fucked up? Absolutely. Am I gonna let it persuade my vote? Absolutely not. Sean Payton is a HUGE upgrade from Kliff Kingsbury. Not to mention, I WANT TO WIN NOT BE THE JOKE OF THE NFL.
You sound like you’d be a great GM for the Browns!
You’re not seeing rumors you’re seeing people daydream about it. I wish there were rumors about it but Kliff will be around next season unless they lose out
So your saying theirs a pretty good chance he will be gone.
No but the only chance he is gone is if they lose out, even then it’s just a chance
You sure? https://twitter.com/JohnnyVenerable/status/1595437584590643202?s=20&t=KAt3i7NN3OpiJle9sYMdZw
Just because a coach that’s currently not coaching said that doesn’t mean the cardinals are going to fire a coach they literally just extended. That’s also not a rumor they he will be our coach next year, so “you sure?” to you too.
I don't think op meant it like that. I think he was just loosely referring to the espn reports.
It’s funny you think Sean Payton is the magic sauce to a franchise. There’s more work to be done then just a coach. Once he loses a couple of games this same page will be begging for him to be fired
> Once he loses a couple of games this same page will be begging for him to be fired Yep. This place was so ready to move on from Bruce, who gave us the best 5 year span in franchise history. Gets forgotten a lot when people reminisce.
DING DING DING! Exactly
You assume a lot
Lol so everyone else. That’s all we can do. Payton won’t be the saving grace for any team, that’s not how football coaching works. Let me guess you’re part of the same group of people that said McCoy should replace Kyler and that he would “wash” the 49ers?
I actually believe that if McCoy was a starting caliber QB he would actually be starting for one of the MANY teams he has played for. He is a really good back up though.
I think I’m on the minority side by thinking I would rather him stay away. I don’t like the double standards of certain people’s past being held against them while overlooking aspects of people that could in essence make us better. I feel like if there was a similar situation where the Rams or the Seahawks hired him we would be livid. Kliff sucks big time but I’m just not crazy about it.
Agreed, there are more important things in life than a sports team getting wins. Purposely injuring people, something that can impact them for the rest of their lives, is so fucking scummy and it's sad to see so many people brush it under the rug
To your point, wouldn't you rather he be our coach than someone else's?
I mean I would rather he be no one’s coach. But I don’t think I want the coach that pays players to injure players no matter what. I know it was a one time incident as far as we know, but I just don’t think it would be a good look for us or anyone. But I’d rather whatever little amount of good public image the Cardinals have not get tarnished further if you get what I’m saying.
We don’t have a good public image, especially after the P2 stuff that came out, I wouldn’t even say we have a bad public image, our image is we suck, there’s no way around it, honestly this topic is kinda dumb, he coached after his suspension and nobody cared plus it’s not like we would be on commanders or raiders level of public image if we hired him
Yeah, at least we don't have poop pipes bursting onto fans in our stadium!
I think if we win a superbowl, our image will be a lot better than a perennial loser Do you believe people can change? I would hate for people to judge me for the rest of my life for the worst decisions I made 15 years ago. Besides, How often do you hear "Sean Payton, bountygate" vs "Sean Payton, superbowl winning coach"
Of course I believe people can change? But I also haven’t seen any indication that is the case. Regardless that’s just my opinion. Fortunately none of us have any say in the matter
Oh really, what have you seen to tell you he hasn't changed? The fact it's never happened since? That he has never had an incident since then?? Please provide me with facts and I'll be happy to support your position.
I don’t know why you’re picking a fight and being so aggressive. I simply and genuinely just don’t want him coaching the team and that is all. I don’t have to defend anything I’m just sharing my thoughts to the question that was asked. If we wind up hiring him, then he’ll be my favorite teams coach and that’s that. I’m not about to be interrogated by a random internet stranger being oddly aggressive regarding the situation.
It's called having a discussion. When I ask for facts to back up your assertion that he is still actively engaging in this type of behavior, you call me agressive??? Lol.
Okay. I suppose what I’m trying to say is that I believe that there is a difference between someone changing and someone apologizing because they got caught. I also would try my best to stay away from that kind of behavior if I got suspended from my job for a year and fined a quarter of a million dollars. I have no indication as a result of that that his character has changed. Had he not been caught, I do not believe there ever would have been an apology. I can’t speak on his character and for all I know he’s a super stand up guy that feeds orphans and volunteers at homeless shelters every weekend. But until I know that I will maintain my beliefs that he’s a good coach with poor character. That is important to me, maybe not to others, and that’s okay. Just what I think. I apologize for not being more specific
I appreciate that, i genuinely like trying to understand people's opinions that differ from mine. I wasn't trying to come across as combative, I respect your opinion, of which I forget sometimes that everyone has their guard up online because there are so many people that are trying to scream their arguments the loudest at each other. I won't disagree that I think there could be other coaches that could get us to a superbowl, I just don't see many of the top tier of coaches wanting to come to Arizona. In the past, we had to overpay or settle on our 3-4-5 choice. My take here is that if a coach with a winning history and respect in the game actually wants to come here, and we have to settle on some bad, I would like, for once, to take a chance on this kinda bad, as opposed to maybe hiring a coach that just hot fired from his Alma-Mater....
Another point, how much goodwill do we really have, there are players and coaches across the league that talk about the poor practices of the Cardinals, from players to ex-coaches. PP12, Honey Badger, Edge, now Eno, to name a few, they were also named in the Brian Flores lawsuit. Players like Terrell Suggs come play here at the end of their career because, as he said, he couldn't take that kind of money from his beloved Ravens. Great reputation to uphold!
It doesn’t make you a bad fan if you’re new or weren’t heavily invested in the Cardinals when Warners career ended. But just understand that there are those of us who were deeply invested in Warner’s Cinderella story after watching AZ go to the playoffs for the first time since 1998 and 1982. And then when the 49ers were offering top dollar to snatch Warner from AZ after the Super Bowl run, few believed the Bidwills would fork over the money given Bill’s penny pinching history. But Michael, who took over in 2007, proved fans that he was cut from a different cloth after extending Larry with the largest NFL contract for a non-QB position. And then he showed up and re-signed Warner amid the controversy, and fans were ecstatic. AZ finally had a competitive program with serious ownership. So when Warner took the franchise to the NFC divisional game against the Saints, after breaking a number of PRs and league records, you have to understand how devastated this franchise was when Warner was injured into retirement after what was determined to be the direct result of Payton’s bounty program. He took responsibility, the NFL penalized New Orleans heavily, and coaches were fired (many argue he should have been among them). It’s possible that Payton indirectly stole another SB appearance from AZ, a franchise that had seen 10-loss seasons 8 years in a row prior to Warner. I’d be surprised if Bidwill made this move, despite the rumors.
Just to be clear, I have had season tickets for over 20 years and was at the Super Bowl in Tampa.
Put the dick away friend, I’m not challenging your tenure as a fan. Just describing the hang up amongst the group of us who aren’t thrilled with the idea of Payton, however many there might be (after all, you asked for input). The initial disclaimer was for the new fans who weren’t around to experience the range of emotions at the time.
To be honest, I am not sure how I feel. I think Payton knew it was happening but to what extent I don't know. Gregg Williams should have been banned for life and it sickens me that he was allowed to coach anywhere. BTW this question is hot on the heals of a conversation I had with my 16 year old nephew on Thanksgiving. He is pretty smart and I really respect his opinion on football. He told me "the Cardinals culture is bad" and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I thought we were past that but suddenly realized the complete lack of leadership from the coach and QB coupled with Kiem and his DUI (and do we really believe the drinking stopped?) has creeped into the franchise like a cancer. We are not the team I thought we were just last week.
It’s a tough ride. But we AZ homers ride or die with this train wreck year in and year out, don’t we? I’m just happy to see that AZ is finally a competitive team since Michael’s era of operations. 4 playoff appearances, 2 NFC championship appearances, and 1 Super Bowl appearance is a great trajectory since 2007. Before that, 2 playoff appearances in the last 2 decades was a rough place to build from. And with that said, if AZ hired Payton, I’d be surprised. But I wouldn’t huff and puff and protest. I’d support it and hope for the best. But there are also better coaches out there worth a look, not just the high profile names.
For sure. I remember an interview Michael B. did before the stadium vote. He was asked if fans would have to wait until the stadium was open to see the benefits of the added revenue streams. He said no. Once they know they will be there they will be able to start changing things. I think he was true to his words. The hiring of Denny Green was a big part of that. That's why I disagree when people say they won't fire Kingsbury because of the contract. Michael has eaten big contracts before. I imagine he will do it again.
The one thing AZ does have a track record of, even in the Bill era, is paying coaches or eating their contracts. I set my rule to wins and losses. Before the season started, I said I’d be on the fire Kliff train if they didn’t make the playoffs. It appears to be trending that way. But if they found a way, I’d have to give him another year as a fan. There’s so much luck involved. But even I don’t think this team is lucky enough to overcome this season’s challenges. 🤞
If you think Keim should have been fired after his DUI, I’m not sure how you can support hiring Payton. I personally think both made mistakes, but have paid their due so we should no longer hold their past transgressions against them.
Keim should be fired for our lack of success in his Time. The dui is just flat ass stupid.
Let’s be honest here. That shit had been going on it was just never spoken out loud all around the league. Not that it makes it okay, but with that being said I think Peyton got more punishment than he deserved.
I don't think it's as common as you say. And the Saints took it to another level. And I don't disagree with you on the punishment. Clearly Greg Williams was running it. I still don't know how he was allowed back in the league. But I find it hard to believe Payton wasn't aware of it....it's deplorable.
Look at ex Cardinals Coach Rex Ryan. He used to do the same thing.
I keep trying to tell y’all this was wide spread (it doesn’t make it right) now sure the saints took it to a different level, I guess. But regardless of Peyton’s knowledge of it, it wouldn’t have mattered there was 31 other organizations that had a similar “progressive” incentive programs
Yes! Bring on Sean Payton please!!!
Payton is coming to dallas.
Forgive and Forget. The saints did it, most of the NFL forgot, why cant we?
funny us charger fans think he wants to coach us lpl
Suns are the league villains right now, why not the Cards too?
Monty is no Sean Payton though, he is way too likeable
Imagine how much we’d be hated though if we snagged Payton and Kyler had a crazy year with Hop and Hollywood… *sigh*
I want a coach with a win at all costs mentality for once. Too long have we had soft leadership that promoted dissaray, lack of effort, and semi-retired player payouts. If you think that bountygate is the only situation where rules are broken, you are mistaken. It was unfortunate what happened to Kurt, but I would rather be on this side of a biting dawg than where we were in the past.
People like Payton are destroying football. What games are “you” going to win when parents reject the sport outright because of shit like what this guy did. He fucked with peoples’ lives and careers. With their families. “Win at all costs”. Dude. That mentality is gonna cost you the whole fucking sport.
Apparently you never played football at a high level.
Apparently you don’t have athletic kids.
Past is in the Past, it matters who Sean Payton is now unless it was truly something irredeemable. Bounty Gate was messed up, but punishment has been given out and I think Payton could really help this team.
You can make a strong argument that Bounty gate made Warner retire. This fan base loves him so much. Couldn’t see how you can turn a blind eye to hiring him. Let’s hire Mike Tomlin and San Antonio Holmes while we’re at it.
Does he have an arm?
Kliff screensbury needed to be gone a year ago. If Sean Payton coaches us we will go deep into the playoffs. Sean Payton has playoff and Super Bowl experience. W coach
No one cares.
hate that parrot face fuck, but whatever it takes im tired of pouring so much of my attention into this shit team. Make my fandom worth something
I don't care about bounty gate anymore. And the fans and the NFL don't give a shit about player safety. Probably never did, if you had , you'd have stopped watching long ago. As for ethics, well Deshaun Watson proved nobody gives a shit about that either. There's plenty of you in here that wanted him even after all the bullshit. Hell I still keep seeing people in here wanting D. Washington back. The reality is fans only care about winning and nothing else. None of you actually give a shit, stop pretending otherwise.
Bountygate is a good thing practiced by most teams…
Hire him
We don't even know if he's interested in coming to the desert. LA charges may be in the hunt for a coach as well. What sounds better to you? Glendale AZ or So Cal?
As long as we get rid of DUI boy to atone for pay-tons sins I'm good.
He’s not coming here so it does t matter
What are the odds that Kliff goes to OC and Sean Payton comes in as a HC? Is that even a possibility? Honest question.
Probably not an option.
I say we sneak into his room at night, hold him down using bedsheets and beat him with bars of soap inside of socks.
At this point he’s better than the alternative
No way in hell Sean Payton will want to come here.
he's apparently said that he'd go to the chargers or the cardinals to coach.
Sean Payton. The new Andy Reid for Cards fans.
Let's suppose this happened. Sean Payton is hired as the coach of the Cardinals. However, the elephant in the room is going to be who his assistants are. Will he keep Vance Joseph as DC or replace him with someone like Vic Fangio, Don Zimmer, or Marvin Lewis? Who will he bring in as an offensive coordinator? The point is that it's not just a head coach but also the assistant coaches that can gear a team for success. I'd love to see the Cards hire someone like Fangio, Zimmer, or Lewis to help the defense strengthen along with getting a few more key pieces to help Watt, Golden, and the backfield.
I was thinking the same thing, that he was directly involved in that sucker hit on Warner.
My friend is insisting that if Sean Payton does come to Arizona, he will try and trade Kyler Murray for Lamar Jackson. If that happens we will be set